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Since PJ seems to enjoy making alterations to Tolkien's 'Lord of the Rings', I thought that it would be rather cool to see an army of Dwarves arrive at Minas Tirith to assist the men of Gondor, and the expected Elves of Rivendell.
Would you want to see this happen?
Celebthôl
03-02-2003, 12:40 PM
yes, it would be a bit annoying to see nother big change like that, but it would be kewl to see...
krash8765
03-02-2003, 05:21 PM
Yes i think the dwarves are the most closely represented in the movies from the books and that a dwarven army would be sick. But quite impossible because they were the farthest ones away from Gondor all the way in the Iron Hills and Erebor. I dont think even PJ can rout that problem.
Celebthôl
03-02-2003, 05:24 PM
What do you mean sick?
redline2200
03-02-2003, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by krash8765
Yes i think the dwarves are the most closely represented in the movies from the books
No offense or anything, but I strongly disagree. I was infuriated at the way PJ represented dwarves. I mean it says specifically in the beginning of TTT the book that dwarves have great endurance (Aragorn even said it would be better if they all had the endurance of dwarves). But in the movie good 'ol PJ portrays Gimli as a slow, weak sluggard. He had him falling down hills and panting to keep up with Aragorn and Legolas! Does that contradiction tick anyone off but me?!? I know this has nothing to do with the thread, but I got myself ticked off at PJ again and I had to blow some steam. Oh well. :cool:
Oh yeah and
they were the farthest ones away from Gondor all the way in the Iron Hills and Erebor. I dont think even PJ can rout that problem.
PJ could have done it. If he can kill off Haldir at the battle of Helm's Deep than that insane interpreter can do anything.
Elf-Archer755
03-03-2003, 01:15 AM
As cool as that would be I doubt PJ will do it. He adds all these changes we don't wan't(Elves at HD) but he wont do things we wan't. We probably will seeDwarves in action at The Battle of Dale. I think it would be cool to have Men, Elves, and Dwarves at The Black Gate. It is the final stand against Sauron, should't all the people of ME be there. Maybe even some Hobbits could be there since we wont see them at The Battle of Bywater. We'll see!!
krash8765
03-03-2003, 09:31 PM
sorry its a slang term. sick means awesome
Celebthôl
03-03-2003, 09:45 PM
ok, well where i come from sick means ill ;)
FoolOfATook
03-03-2003, 10:04 PM
I can't even imagine the short jokes that an entire army of Dwarves would provide PJ with the oppurtunity to make...
Celebthôl
03-03-2003, 10:06 PM
LOL that would so funny, uh a whole rabble of Gimli jokes...
Dáin Ironfoot I
03-05-2003, 08:12 PM
I like the idea of clips of the assault upon the Lonely Mountain! Not only would Dwarves be seen, but Men, and Elves, as well. All would be dark until that final moment, when the Ring meets its doom, and then the Dwarves flow out of the mountainside and slay the dumbfounded Orcs, and raise their axes above their heads, bellowing:
Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-menu!
That would be beautiful....
Anamatar IV
03-05-2003, 08:29 PM
Mmm but didn't the Men and Dwarves LOSE that battle?:p
But still I think that would be great. Have a three way battle with the battle of the Pelannor being the most screen timed one. With Orcs overrunning the lonely mountain and Galadriel sending Orcs from Dol Guldor shrieking with her magic.;)
Whilst we're on the optimistic side of things...
Wouldn't it be great if whilst all that was going on, PJ showed all the Hobbits in the Shire overrunning the Wild Men?
DurinLongBeard
03-08-2003, 05:47 PM
I like the idea of clips of the assault upon the Lonely Mountain! Not only would Dwarves be seen, but Men, and Elves, as well. All would be dark until that final moment, when the Ring meets its doom, and then the Dwarves flow out of the mountainside and slay the dumbfounded Orcs, and raise their axes above their heads, bellowing:
Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-menu!
That would be beautiful....
ARE THEY REALLY GOING TO DO THAT?!?!?!? That would be absolutely INCREDIBLE! I would love to see clips from the Battle of Dale. Do you think they would show Dain standing over King Brands body fighting till the darkness came, too??:D :D
Dáin Ironfoot I
03-10-2003, 02:41 AM
Actually Anamatar they didnt lose that battle, maybe they lost Dale temporarily but the battle for the Lonely Mountain was not lost.
krash8765
03-10-2003, 03:39 AM
i would also love to see clips of the other battles. But i bet that takes ton of work on the computer just for those short clips so i doubt PJ will do it
Anamatar IV
03-10-2003, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by Dáin Ironfoot I
Actually Anamatar they didnt lose that battle, maybe they lost Dale temporarily but the battle for the Lonely Mountain was not lost.
Their king was slain. They had more loss than the orcs did.
Plus, Tolkien himself says so:
It lasted three days, but in the end both King Brand and King Dáin Ironfoot were slain, and the Easterlings had the victory.
Dáin Ironfoot I
03-12-2003, 09:33 PM
But they did not lose the Lonely Mountain. That is what I am trying to say. They rose up at the end and defeated the Easterlings.
Gandalf said if it were not for the valour of Dain's folk, naught would be left of home to return to. The kings died and they had heavy casualties, but they did win that battle. Think of it like ooo lets say.... France. England took over their country in the War of the Roses, and then Joan of Arc led her people to defeat them and throw them out of England. I am not sure who led the final stand upon Erebor, but they did win, for if they did not, how could Dain's folk have helped restore the gates of Minas Tirith? Or if they lost, then why were the other places of Middle Earth not destroyed?
They won the battle, you are leaving out the rest of the quote.
Anamatar IV
03-12-2003, 09:35 PM
The rest of the quote that I leave out is:
But they could not take the gate.
I might be strapped for knowledge and forgetting somethings here but it would help if you showed me a few quotes talking about the finishing of this battle.
Dáin Ironfoot I
03-12-2003, 09:56 PM
Yea I will, I just cant find the page in the Appendix. I read it though! I wil find it! But seriously you do realize they HAD to have won that battle, it was more decisive than some may think. If it were not for the valour of Dain's folk, nothing would be left of Middle Earth in the Arnor region, and the armies of Gondor would have to fight off the remaining Easterlings in the West.
Dáin Ironfoot I
03-12-2003, 11:49 PM
So it was that when the War came at last the main assault was turned southwards; yet even with his far-stretched right hand Sauron might have done great evil in the North, if King Dain and King Brand had not stood in his path. Even as Gandalf said afterwards to Frodo and Gimli, when they dwelt together for a time in Minas Tirith. Not long before news had come to Gondor of events far away.
'I grieved at the fall of Thorin,' said Gandalf; 'and now we hear that Dain has fallen, fighting in Dale again, even while we fought here. I should call that a heavy loss, if it was not a wonder rather that in his great age he could still wield his axe as mightily as they say he did, standing over the body of King Brand before the Gate of Erebor until the darkness fell.
'Yet things might have gone far otherwise and far worse. When yout hink of the great Battle of the Pelennor, do not forget the battles in Dale and the valour of Durin's Folk. Think of what might have been. Dragon-fire and savage swords in Eriador, night in Rivendell. There might be no Queen in Gondor. We might now hope to return from the victory here only to ruin and ash. But that has been averted - because I met Thorin Oakenshield one evening on the edge of spring in Bree. A chance-meeting, as we say in Middle-earth.'
Ol'gaffer
03-13-2003, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by Pippin_Took
Since PJ seems to enjoy making alterations to Tolkien's 'Lord of the Rings', I thought that it would be rather cool to see an army of Dwarves arrive at Minas Tirith to assist the men of Gondor, and the expected Elves of Rivendell.
Would you want to see this happen?
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Don't even say such things, PJ might read them and acutally do so. The elves were bad enough but dwarves? I thought that he was making LOTR not some showdown of the races.
DurinLongBeard
03-13-2003, 02:39 PM
Since no one answered me before... I'll ask agaiN! Is PJ really going to include clips of the battle of dale?!! That would be absolutely incredible to see Dain fighting over King Brand's body and all the dwarves and men battling together!!! Will someone tell me if they are going to do it or no?!!??
krash8765
03-13-2003, 07:01 PM
i dont think he has released that information yet, theres barely a few images out yet.
krash8765
03-13-2003, 07:02 PM
Dain do you know when Gandalf says, "Dragon Fire and savage swords in eriador." What does he mean by Dragon Fire?
Dáin Ironfoot I
03-13-2003, 08:17 PM
By Dragon fire he is referring to Smaug, the last great dragon of Middle-earth. It is possible that some dragons still roam the earth (above the Iron Hills, the wasteland, if I am wrong in stating this someone let me know) but Smaug was the last great dragon. He could have been taken into Sauron's plans and used to devestate the free cities of Middle Earth during the war of the Ring, along with the swords of the Easterlings. Luckily, thanks to the 'chance-meeting', the Dwarves and Bilbo outsmarted the dragon, and well you know the rest... just read the Hobbit.
So by saying this, Gandalf is thinking of what may have happened if Smaug was not killed, or if Erebor had fallen to the Easterlings.
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