Ohtar Valaina

[¤-Elessar-¤]

From the ashes of what was the White Council there is a new order. This new order is founded upon the principles of it’s forefathers, and is dedicated to the same moral values. The new order is the Ohtar Valaina, they are aligned to none, save to their brotherhood. And their powers serve none, save the Valar from which they were given. They are given powers by the Valar, and champion are they to their Vala. But when the battle is fought and done, they are their race of origin.

The Valar chose the Ohtar Valaina, and those powers were bestowed upon them on the basis of which of the Valar most had their favor. However, the Valar were never again to return to the lands of Middle Earth, and they knew that they could not meddle there overlong. Thus, they chose that the council should serve it’s own upkeep, inducting new members when the older have grown old or grown afar, for many of them were men, and men are mortal. They harbour themselves in the Temple of the Valar in Arnor, for it was the place of their forefathers. They also laid claim to the halls of Ruin in Thalionost, the Capitol City of Arandor, and in any other hall of any other friend.

Five of them exist, and five Valar were there to sponsor them. And they and their powers are as follows


Aerin
Blue- This wizard has power over ice and water. Can talk w/ sea life, control oceans, rivers, etc., cause blizzards and anything else to do w/ the aforementioned. - Ulmo, lord of Waters

Dain Ironfoot IV
Red- This wizard has power over the earth- fire, and also in stone, dirt, etc. - Aule Mahal

Arathin
Green- Wizard w/ the power of the forest, can talk w/ all the beasts of the earth and all that grows, etc. - Yavanna Kementari

Galdor
Silver- Wizard w/ the power over steel, armory, weapons, etc. Also has powers over light- Tulkas Astaldo/Varda

Elessar Telcontar II
Grey- This wizard have powers in seeing the future, shape shifting, mesmerizing, etc. These are some of the rarest wizards and therefore will be one of the smallest sub-Guilds, yet 1 of the most powerful. - Namo Mandos

And thus the members of the order come out from their secrecy, speak here, all of you above, and let all know that you live and breath the power that you are given!

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

From the deep places of the earth I have come. I have been imbued with the essence of fire and earth by Mahal and my forefathers, and I readily accepted the responsibilities that came with them...

Mahal's forging hammer shall be my axe, his iron forges my armor, his wisdom and skill I shall call my own. Though my power is naught but a candle in his pyre of limitless might, it is more potent than the fires of Mornclaur, and mightier than the rolling hills of Arnor. By Durin the Deathless, of which line I call my own, I shall take up the power of Mahal and smite my foes before me. For the earth shall quake beneath their feet, and the flame shall consume them like a thread of gold is consumed in the furnace!

I am Dain Ironfoot the Fourth, the Red Wizard of Ohtar Valaina.

[Galdor]

Behold I come from the Grey Havens, from the shores of the sea where dwells my heart. I have been chosen by Tulkas and Varda to be their hand upon this earth, it is their power I wield, the power of light and steel. I accept the responsibilities that come with this gift, and will serve without question until my death......


The laughter of Tulkas shall be my strength, and the light of Varda will guide me. I am a vessel of their power, mighty upon this earth, but in light of their majisty I am naught but a speck of light in the distance. Of the Teleri I am come, and in honor of my linage I shall take up the power given to me, and with it I will break the might of my foes, and heal the land of their filth. The darkness will fall back before me, and with steel I will cleave it.

I am Galdor Elvëa, the Sandaórë, Silver Wizard of the Ohtar Valaina.

[Arathin]

From the Wilderness I was born and within it I will forever remain. Gifted was I by Yavanna Kementari, in her eternal wisdom and splender with life and earth. I heal the scorched and blooded ground after battle, and call new life from the old and dead. Greatest grow the green trees when left to their own devices. I accepted these powers in the glory of the green earth and the responsiblities that came with them...

From deep in the shadowed valley to high on the mountain tops, from amide the far stretching plains to the tall forests dark, the powers of Yavanna Kementari travel. Her wisdom is embedded within the earth itself and all things that grow out from it. Her mercy is shown in every leaf, and her vengeance in every prowling creature. I am her hand upon this world now, and though shorten is my reach, may my vengeance and mercy be as swift and justly given as hers.

I am the Lady Arathin, immortal half-sister of Aragorn and Glorfindel of Rivendell, Green Wizardess of the Ohtar Valaina. May the green guide your path.

[Aerin]

The depths of the ocean writhe like a thing living, boiling in the darkness that smothers and strangles any and all light daring to delve so deep. Granted me is control over water, weather, and the elements; the ability to communicate marine life and power over their actions. With such power comes duty; I am sworn to Ulmo to uphold his laws and justices until my death...

The eyes that are filled with watery mysteries gaze out from a sea of immeasurable depth; his control extends over the rivers, streams, and lakes; his will bends the weather; the skies do his bidding. T'was from such mysterious and unfathomable expanses of the waves that Ulmo, Lord of the Waters, chose myself as the vassal to contain his powers in Middle-Earth.

I am Aerin Tantalë, daughter of Rasién and Firiel, Blue Wizard of the Othar Valaina, controller of the waves.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

In the furthest reaches of the conciousness I lie, in wait of precious thoughts and animal instincts. In the mind I am unmatched, and my powers there give me the ablility to see deepest fears, and shallowest affections. The mind is my world, and in it I am deity only under Mandos, who's order I keep on this earth, and who's guidence and trust weighs always in my thought.

By the penetrating thought of Mandos I stumbled upon this power, and to that thought I fully pledged myself unto my duty, and that duty is simple. It is that we look not only to the present, but also to the past and the future, and not to forget what we see. With this message and with this gift I come upon Middle Earth to remind those who chose to forget the lessons taught.

I am Elessar Telcontar II, Grey Wizard and self-proclaimed guide of the order.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Excellent. We are now declaired and our powers will take to effect.

I suppose that the main topic of interest for the RP section of the forum, at the moment, is the Re-start of the war. If a restart does occur we will be in complete control of our powers. If we fail to restart, then our powers will be suspended until the end of that war, or until otherwise declaired.

[Arathin]

That is reasonable. I personally think it should restart anyway. I don't know what is going on really. Also Being a queen and governor is probably gonna be rather difficult if I don't know what is going on.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Well off to another, equally important topic: the threads. We cannot possibly just use this one thread to discuss the matters of the Ohtar Valaina (OV). I feel we should make a thread in the Government Council forum of TTF, as well as decide if we are going to share this forum with the GC members of HI. I think we need to start gaining the upper hand of our order, so HI doesnt fully control us as was the WC. I think we should be allied, but not under HI.

[Anamatar IV]

Uhh I am not in this but I have a question....was the OV ever in or under HI? Yes, its members are from it but I never thought it was in or under it.

And HI didn't overtake the White Council, actually. It was far from that.

What happened was Heren Istarion and the White Council joined together to form the Grand Council: the WC would be the Wizards of Heren Istarion. But promptly two wizards felt they could no longer be wizards and soon after the leader left Middle-earth.

[Nenya Evenstar]

What happened was Heren Istarion and the White Council joined together to form the Grand Council: the WC would be the Wizards of Heren Istarion. But promptly two wizards felt they could no longer be wizards and soon after the leader left Middle-earth..... And Elessar continued the WC on until it was made the OV.

I think that OV needs to either completely break ties with HI and become allied as suggested, or step up to the part that Mithrandir tried to keep alive: The White Council. Mithrandir wanted the wizards kept alive while preserving what was the White Council and so the WC and HI joined into one body. The WC was in no way to be under HI but instead to be a vital part in its leadership. Whoever was in the WC was in the GC... so either you guys need to completely redo the formation of the GC or something. :confused:

Sorry for the intrustion.

[Galdor]

As far as I know the OV is a new order, it is not the WC, it is only based on what was once the WC. We are also not under the HI, we are very close allies, and will listen to advice of the GC, but as stated in Elessar's first post "they (the OV) are aligned to none, save to their brotherhood. And their powers serve none, save the Valar from which they were given."

The ties between the OV and the HI are very close, and we will always work together as brothers. But neither does, nor ever will, serve the other.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Well I was under the impression that the OV was a reincarnation of the WC, which became part of HI in its waning days. However I am looking at this now, and I realize that we are indeed allied to none except in times of war, and we serve none. So as to the matter of a thread in the GC council forum--- I think we oughta make it soon; an IC temple, see Ciryaher for a location, etc. I am not sure about this White Council forum, I think we should see if it can be renamed.

Through the passion of flame, endurance of steel, beauty of nature, essence of water, and foresight of wind we are called.

Sounds like a good description ^^^

[Nenya Evenstar]

This all sounds like bad news to me with you guys breaking the ties of one organization. . . I forsee problems which could arise with you using the same characters for HI as you do here. That is why keeping into one body would be beneficial. If you don't, in times of war you will be torn two ways since a lot of you are members of HI.

I'd be very distraught at losing some of our trainers. Might you consider remaining a part of HI? Perhaps as our main counseling force? After all, we are all "good" here. I think we could all benefit from each other in incredibly wonderful ways. Could you take on the role of being an independent organization that still a part of HI in a counseling sense? Our most powerful body in terms of war? What is wrong with being what Mithrandir meant the WC to be? Could we incorporate the "brotherhood" without you breaking away? Just some ideas.

[Anamatar IV]

I am still confused....was the HI and OV ever more than a strong alliance?

And I don't think that the OV was meant (I probably am wrong...Elessar correct me if I am) to always stay together in a temple. Elessar, the leader himself, would be torn between Arandor and the OV (well not really since the OV is in Arandor...bad example:p). I thought it would be more like the White Council in the books: coming together in times of need of great counsel.

[Arathin]

I believe that you all should just cool it on the posts and let our leader, Elessar speak his piece. We are his conception and are under him, thus I believe it is up to him what shall be done or how to decide what shall be done.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

This is true, o flowered one. He has the final say in all this. I am only concerned with by being part of the HI we will be restricted of our full power. Of course, Dain is a HI character, but Nenya my dear, you forget Falim! He was created in order to be used in stead of Dain, I will continue to be involved in both orginizations. But we need Elessar's view...

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I will PM Webmaster requesting the name of this section to be changed to Ohtar Valaina from White Council.

Of course, we will still share the forum with the HI GC members, as having a guild space for 5 people is unfair methinks. But also realize, as our power grows, so will our distance from HI grow as is the case with any group closely related to another. As of right now we are not UNDER HI, we are ALLIED really closely, and we have no choice but to pretty much agree with you, as we have a total of five troops.

If any of this is wrong, please correct me. I dont know how or when we will acquire troops, whether it be from Arathin's Mithlond, or Elessar's men of the Hunter... I really do not know if these troops will be used for the OV.

[Galdor]

Ok, here is how I think things should work between the HI and the OV.

I think that for now, and hopfully in the future the HI and the OV should be very close allies. In other words we should constenly take counsel from each other, help each other in need, etc. we are of course two commpletely seperate organizaions(for lack of a better word....:rolleyes: ), but since almost all the people in the OV are also in the HI, I think we should keep ties between the two close. Also I think that those from the HI should make a new characters to play n the OV, or make up a new one for the HI. As it just doesn't work to have a person in the OV who serves none but the Vala they serve, to also serve in the HI. It just can't be.

BTW, I have spoken to Dain and he said that he hasn't sent that PM to WM, and will hold off until Elessar and Anamatar reach a discision on this matter. I personally think that we should both use this section, and maybe call it "The two Councils" or something.

[Anamatar IV]

What what WHAT? I need to make more desicions now?;)

Dain, you speak of getting solders. I am probably not the one to explain why but the White Council (from the rps) didn't have soldiers....and Elessar's Hunter's Barbarians are evil....I thought you knew that from fighting them;)

So uh yeah what do we need to decide? Close allies. That seems good. Seperate characters: good too. As far as I know, Galdor, you already have a seperate character.:p

Sure, rename the forum. We're not really the White Council anyways...I think "The Two Councils" sounds good.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Wow... ok, you all have bits and pieces of what I was trying to express here. Let me see...

Firstlly, Anamatar was right. We are a brotherhood, and not a guild, the only times we come together are in times of council or in times of friendship. This isn't focused on a 'group', as much as it is individuals, which is reverse of the way HI operates. And someone else said something about we are a counciling force in HI, and that we were all in the GC. And, I think that is the way it should be. We are just a loose group of people within that body, or others, who's fates are bound together by these powers, and this alternate commitment.

I hate to express it this way, but it was the model from which I drew up the OV...

Try and think of us as being like the orriginal Istari, only without being Maiar. We have powers, and our own respective Vala, and we are here with the firm pledge to do good. The more formalities we have, the further we stray from our goal.

I think the problem that we are experiencing here is based on the level where everyone is trying to connect the two groups. What we need is to raise up a level. We need a seperate group, to serve as what was the WC of LoTR times. We can even name it the 'White Council. In it there should be the prominant members of HI, the members of OV, and other important leaders of the west.

I know i'm not all together here, and I probably missed more than a few topics, but I happen to be a scatter-brained individual.

And, The thread name should be halted for a while. Until we figure out what is going on.
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And seperate characters is BAD. It should be completely alright for someone to belong to this and the HI. This is just like another title to add to your list.

What you're saying is like 'oh, so you're a general of Arnor, alright then, you cannot be in HI.'
Did I miss something? Is being in HI a full-time job, cause that would really not be a good thing, not in my eyes.

[Arathin]

Elessar has a good point. We are a council, not a group like HI or the Rangers. As he said we meet only for council or friendship, that doesn't not mean that we are always meeting with each other. If we were always in meeting, we would do nothing to forward our own goals. I think at somepoint we will gain "students" to our Valar, if Elessar explained this correctly to me in one of his older pms. Again I am not possitive on this fact. I believe we are to teach others the ways of the Vala, as we were taught. Please correct me if I am wrong, Elessar.

[Nenya Evenstar]

Sounds good to me, Elessar and Arathin.
We can even name it the 'White Council. In it there should be the prominant members of HI, the members of OV, and other important leaders of the west.
Sounds wonderful.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

excellent... so far. Are there any other comments or questions? I do not want there to be any questions about this, none at all...

[Nenya Evenstar]

No, I think we've all managed to come up with an idea of what we think the Ohtar Valaina is. I can't guarantee that those ideas are all the same though. ;)

I think we're set to go. :D

[Anamatar IV]

Just a quick thing about that White Council that nenya quoted (I don't know who said it, sorry!). I suppose there already is something like that: The Senate of Attanore. I dunno maybe there could be a more elite one of that but just saying is all.;)

Elessar, do you plan on ever having more than 5 Ohtar Valaina? Will you select replacements if some for any reason are not able to uphold their duties? Would it be a nice extra if the OV members looked out for apprentices?

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Well the war seems to be going on still. I say we must emerge at the end of this war to prevent any future confusion. How and when is up to us all. Also, what is your plan for getting an army and some property for the OV?

EDIT: Humph. Brotherhood, eh? Well, what is wrong with getting some land for us OV people? Cir just suggested that we split Rohan into 5 parts, one for each of us. Being the wizard of fire and earth, and a Dwarf on top of that, I am rash as hell and I personally want some land; it is necessary for everyone. I think we should look into this offer from Lord Ciryaher. He said he'd post soon...

[Ciryaher]

I have a proposal for the Ohtar Valaina.

Rohan, as you know, has been left in my care, since Eomer left. And if you have been keeping up with events, I have not placed anyone in charge of that land.

As it stands, I can rule Rohan easily as a province of Atannore. However, it seems to me that the best way of doing things would be to give the Ohtar Valaina more power; more power, by giving it near total control of Rohan.

The former kingdom of Rohan will, upon acceptance, be divided into 5 sections, each to be governed by a member of the Ohtar Valaina, equally. The army of Rohan would be divided among the sub-provinces (which will be called 'counties') and each member would have control over his/her county's military, etc.

The county-lords would be a small council in themselves, but they would each be members of the Senate (when I reinstate it). The county-lords of Rohan would be free to do what they please, EXCEPT declare war without a Senatorial/Imperial decree.

That is the basis of the plan. I'll amend it and add more, if needed.

[Nenya Evenstar]

Whatever happens with Heren Istarion (land-wise) would then have to be close to Rohan (if members of the OV stay in the WC).

[Anamatar IV]

That's where it comes down to it:

Heren Istarion will remain in the North in Arnor, whether in Annuminas in the Temple as it has already been or possibly elsewhere. I don't think our part is down south nor will be until a while later. If Rohan is divided up thusly a new character might be good to be created (like Dain has done.) But then there are also some members that would have to rule 2 or 3 lands (Elessar, Arandor and Rohan county--Arathin, Mithlond, Arandor, and Rohan county). So uhhhh for my well being I won't put forth an opinion.:)

[Ciryaher]

Arnorian governors on the Ohtar Valaina, upon acceptance of the plan, would be removed from their governorships and given responsibility in their county only (that doesn't include people such as Elessar who govern separate nations/kingdoms). Or, if Elessar wishes, Arandor and Rohan could be combined, allowing the counties to be larger. Combined, they would be just as Rohan would have been alone.

Work something out, if you like. I'm willing, of course, to negotiate.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

The fate of Rohan is very important to me. I have often fought within or beside their ranks, and have been a governor there, under both lord Eomer and lord Mithrandir.

hmm... I don't know if it is such a good idea, actually. I think that a council in Rohan is a good Idea, but I don't know if tying the members of the Ohtar Valaina down to a specific area is... no, wait.

It should be fine. The nation, however, may not be a 'nation of the Ohtar Valaina'. It must be a nation of it's people, possibly like 'Confederation of the Mark', or something to that vauge meaning.

This is not wholy up to myself, though. If the members accept their land, than I'm sure it is much appriciated. Otherwise, I am sure that others could be found to fill positions.

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And Ciryaher, on a side note...

Above I meantioned something of a rebirth of the 'real' white council, a group of national leaders and other important people. Do you think that your senate alone can handle that kind of traffic, or what other thoughts do you have?

[Arathin]

I like the idea of possibly combining Arandor and Rohan. That way it will be powerful enough to defend itself. And it is, I would hope, obvious that I would give up my positon as Mithlond's governor if given other lands. I actually was wondering about that, now that I am wife to the ruler of Arandor. This whole thing is confusing me cause no one ever tells me anything, or what they tell me is so encrypted and spliced that it makes little to no sence... oh well. I like adding Arandor and Rohan. Also Ohtar Valaina needs some sort of "land power". Rohan seems perfect. It contains a little of all of us, I think. So we can each have a specific domain. Like I wouldn't want the mountains, that would be Dain's domain. Just a thought.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I am all for the OV in "control" of Rohan. Rohan is a middle-earth united states, featuring different and unique types of geography in one convenient place. Each wizard could have their own region corresponding to their element. This is a perfect opportunity Elessar. We cannot be a force without land or manpower, it just will not happen. How can we affect the tide of the war if we have no power behind our actions?

True, Gandalf did. But what happened to the other four Istari? We need to take this opportunity, and we do not have to rule it with an iron fist.

[Nenya Evenstar]

Posted by Nenya Evenstar Whatever happens with Heren Istarion (land-wise) would then have to be close to Rohan (if members of the OV stay in the WC).
Posted by AnamatarIV Heren Istarion will remain in the North in Arnor, whether in Annuminas in the Temple as it has already been or possibly elsewhere. I don't think our part is down south nor will be until a while later. If Rohan is divided up thusly a new character might be good to be created (like Dain has done.) But then there are also some members that would have to rule 2 or 3 lands (Elessar, Arandor and Rohan county--Arathin, Mithlond, Arandor, and Rohan county). So uhhhh for my well being I won't put forth an opinion.

;) I have a feeling that if the OV get land they are going to have to break complete ties with HI . . . maybe I'm missing something?

[Aerin]

I think the OV and the HI should be nearly separated. As stated in the 'beginnings' of the sources of power for the members of the OV, we are set apart, if you will; while the HI are 'mere mortals' (I do not mean that in reference to mortality; just as the common phrase) who are taken in and trained. The two guilds should still hold counsel together, and remain allied, of course; but to tie them together so tightly? I don't really support that idea.

The situation would work, either way, if the OV decided to hold land individually, or not. I do not, however, see why one would have to give up previously held lands if they accept land in Rohan. I think it would be possible, provided everyone keeps up with current events in a logical and orderly way, to govern both a part of Rohan, and whatever they held before.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Nenya, everything must break away at one point or another, and it is our choice as an institution to do so. I feel that this plan is the best possible thing to have, and as to people's old dominions: they should be given up. We cannot possibly take over such land when we just come in, but one never knows, we can always retake it in the future ;)

But were not really power hungry fools, we just need land for our own where we can take council from one another. Plus, HI is not *that* far from Rohan.

[Nenya Evenstar]

I have no problem with you breaking away . . . I just have a problem with members of OV still being on the GC of HI when the people are separated by hundreds of miles.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

hmm... You know, over the past day or so I've noticed that there is a nessesity (sorry for horrible spelling) for that gap- that seperation- between the Heren Istarion and the Ohtar Valaina. There are people within the establishment of the Heren Istarion (and some with considerable power and/or influence) who are also members of the Dark Legion. The Ohtar Valaina is meant to be the opposing magical force to the Dark Legion, as were the Valar (whom we represent) opposed to Melkor (who's legacy the DL represents).

Just wanted to express my feelings on that, sorry.

And, Nenya, don't forget, this is more than one game. It is completely possible for someone to be in councils and places all over ME at the same time, just so long as they don't attempt to durring a RP. It's not like someone couldn't participate in Council discussions just because they are in Rohan.

That is, after all, the way it's always been done.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

So, now that that is settled, each member of the Ohtar Valaina shall say yea or nay as to whether or not to take Cir's offer. All five of us must agree in order for this to be negotiated.

Yea.

Also, on a side note, we really need another name besides wizard. I was thinking a sage or disciple... lets get some thoughts on that.

[Arathin]

I say Yay. we need the land.

Also what about being called Magai or Mages? Sages is alright, but a little wrong in its denotation.

[Galdor]

Well, I don't have anything against getting more land....I vote yea.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

I never really agreed with names along those lines. Each of them carries it's own hidden meanings, as well as their obvious meanings. And, not too be too picky or anything, they aren't really in the style that Tolkien usually used...

I was thinking that we could use something in elvish, if we could find something fluid enough to roll off the tounge, and wouldn't always be a pain to spell...

just my thoughts.

[Ciryaher]

Perhaps you could be the Valandili..."those devoted to the Valar"...

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

The Red valandii of Ohtar Valaina... has a nice ring to it, though I may make mine Dwarvish, since red in Khuzdul is 'baraz'. The only other word I know of that can carry some meaning as to a powerful figure would be 'uzbad' or 'Lord.'

So Elessar, what say you, yea or nay to Ciryaher's offer?

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Valandili... I beleive I had a word very similar to that picked out not too long ago. But this word shall do perfectly.

And, to the offer of the land of Rohan, I shall have to pass. When the time comes I would rather have less responsibilities, and thus more time to spend between them, though I encourage the acceptance of my peers.

[Aerin]

I am for the Ohtar Valaina controlling land in Rohan. There, I think my position is firmly stated and supported. :rolleyes: :D

As for the name Valandili, I like it! It's a gentle, almost rolling word; very pleasing to the ear. Yes, I am a language nut, hehehe.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Well the vote seems unanimous, so if Cir could come back and let us know what we need to do, that would be great...

The Valandii... is that singular or plural?

[Aerin]

*cough* Valandili, Dain*cough*

;)

[Mormegil]

If the Valandili do indeed take positions in control of Rohan, then King Mormegil of the White Mountains would like to extend a hand of frienship and welcome you as neighbours. Rohan will be once again great under the control of such wise and masterful people.

[Arathin]

Elessar, I have a request for when we get Rohan. May my area please be near the borders of Arnor?

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I would prefer the mountainous region... as I am sure one could deduce why.:D

OK, now onto the war now: In the March from the North, the forces of HI (including myself) are valiantly trying to retake Imaldris from its black foes. Now I know I am all for this restart, but I feel this war needs to have some sort of conclusion to it, and I would hope that this battle for Rivendell is the last thing that happens in that portion of the war. It sounds like a good ending point at any rate. Now I would like to know how we are supposed to come out into the open as the OV, I would like to leave Rivendell at the end of this battle, and come to Rohan were we all could meet one another, something like that. Elessar, how are we going to come into being in these wars? I realize our order is established, but how do we notify the others of our coming into 'magic'? Some thoughts, please, I would like to post in the march from the north soon.

[Arathin]

Nain, I know that I have been asked not to post in the war until it is perminately decided whether it will be restarted or ended or what. I don't know who else has or what not, but I know I have been asked thus.

As for introducing us, what if we were all called together and "gifted" with our powers, then were given Rohan because that is where we were all called to?

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

My friends, Ciryaher has had a change of heart, and it seems we must finish this war with concise and limited posts. I think it would be good if all members of the OV posted something ascertaining to a deep longing within yourselves, a calling of some sort. Post in this war someway that your powers begin to manifest into your character, and I propose that we are called to Rohan, as Arathin suggested. It is in this war that we must make our power and position known, and I am just about to post in the March from the North. ;)

Lets get this bloody thing over with, eh? Arathin I believe you are still in Mithlond? And Elessar is somewhere... Aerin and Galdor I have no idea where you guys are.:p O well, lets just post and make the most! *rhymed*

[Anamatar IV]

Actually, you guys, I had a different plan for HI and the retaking of Imladris. Rohan is frankly just too far away. So are the possible allies I would request for help from like Arandor, Mithlond, and Annuminas.

So the Ohtar Valaina helping us out here just can't happen...but Heren Istarion isn't alone in this world, oh no.:)

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

No Anamatar. This war is not going to be drawn out for much longer. We must retreat, and Dain will start to be called to Rohan. The OV is not part of HI like you think it is, and I think we will eventually split off. The OV powers will not show quite yet, but I think in this war we need to be "called." No one is coming to aid HI take Imaldris, save it for the next war.

[Anamatar IV]

Dain...did I imply I would use the Ohtar Valaina in any way shape or form?

There is a reason I do not release my plans for the wars....you should know that. So think or even ask what my plan may be before you shoot it down not knowing what it involves or how I plan on doing it.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Anamatar, are you a member of the Ohtar Valaina? Hmmm... didnt think so. I think we can restrict conflicts of war topics to the war thread.

Anyways I am still waiting the opinion of my fellow OV members.

[Arathin]

I as yet have nothing to say on the matter. I will listen and watch and wait. We'll see how things turn out in this affair.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

alright, alright. Everyone calm down. The Ohtar Valaina will have no major part in this war, just the introduction that I have induced (see my latest post in the 'March from the north' thread). I kindof threw another variable in there, sort of an anti-OV. Hope you all can read and reason through that. After the war we can sort all of the Rohan stuff out, and the calling of the Members.

The only reason I have introduced myself now is because of the Hunter. He is a loose end that needs tying up, or at least tucking away.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Arathin, maybe you could quick post your character's calling in Mithlond? That would really be all you would need to do. Aerin and Galdor could do that too, in the March from the North.

[Galdor]

Hey, just to let you guys know, I'm still around and have been keeping up with this thread. I just don't have a clue what's going on in the war right now and therefore havn't had any imput. If we are going to do anything in this war though I'm going to need someone to brief me on everything I need to know.

[Aerin]

Erm.... shouldn't we all be called to where the Vala would be? Dain would be the mountains, Arathin to the forest (if I remember rightly...sorry, don't have the powers and people memorized yet :o), Aerin to the sea? Or all meet together, and sort of have a gigantic lightning bolt appear out of nowhere and zap us? (Waxing poetic, hehe)


Edit: Aerin is not in Rohan. She is currently outside Dol Amroth, fighting the Mornclaurians. She was with Lorien, but he's fallen off the face of the planet, apparently. She shouldn't have too far to go. :D

[¤-Elessar-¤]

alright
As far as I can tell at the moment, the war is drawing to a tight close. Soon I will get everything 'firmly' orgainzed, and we (the OV) will begin with work in Rohan and with any other responsibilities. But for now, take a breather.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I think we should start the council in the Gov Council section... we need a cool name for it though. Thoughts?

[¤-Elessar-¤]

read Ciryaher's thread in the Govt. Section. There will be nothing else posted there relating to this organization until after that event.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

OK on this new website, I think we need to create the central temple of the Ohtar Valaina, and discuss which realm in Rohan is whos. We could have a temple to our Vala in each realm, mine is the Gatholmahal, or was it Gibalmahal? whatever it means grand Mahal's fortress or something of the like.

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