Another crappy role for Fariamir?

[lightingstrike]

Ok, so we all know that PJ really screwed up on the role of Faramir in TT. My question to you guys is how do you think he will be portrayed in ROTK? He has a bigger role in this movie in that the book obviously states the great need of him at Gondor. Remember the arguement he and Denethor have in the chapter "The Siege of Gondor"? How should that be played out. I hope he is not portrayed as a helpless captain searching for refuge. So, let me know how you think he should be played.

[Celebthôl]

I think that he should be a will be played as he is in the books, coz at the end of TTT he does actually turn good and his good quality does pull through, though the blind among us seem to overlook and miss this!

[Mirabella]

You go Celebthol!

I fully expect Faramir to become a heroic figure second only to Aragorn in ROTK.

[Michel Delving]

Yeah, but how are they going to resolve the fact that he sentenced himself to death by letting Frodo go?

[Celebthôl]

he didnt sentance himself, in a way it was Denethor, but noone will "tell on him" will they as thet all love him!

[Melko Belcha]

They will probably do something over the top. In the end they will probably want he like his in the book so they will make him do something truely noble that will waste 45 minuters of screen time when if they didn't mess him up in the first place it wouldn't be a problem.

[Elendil3119]

Unfortunately, I think that the only way to remedy Faramir's drastic character change in TTT is to make another in RotK.:( IMO they made a big enough change from the book to necessitate another large change in RotK. Hopefully this time it will not be for the worse.

[Michel Delving]

I don't get your problem with his portrayal in the film. Fair enough he was a lot sterner for the sake of dramatic effect but the outcome of his actions was wise - he let the ring go.

Don't forget his Father appears to hate him, preferring Boromir, in the book. This could be used in the film to explain his morose stoicism.

[Elendil3119]

IMO the very fact that his role was changed from the book is enough to justify dissapointment. His theme in the books was "I wouldn't take this thing if it I found it by the road-side". In the movie, he planned on taking it to his father. Not so in the book. I consider any change from the book reason enough to be dissapointed. I don't even think Faramir ended up making a wise decision. He said, "I think we FINALLY understand eachother, Frodo" (emphasis added) seeming to imply that it was Frodo's stubborn fault.:rolleyes: His character change did NOT add a "dramatic" affect to the movie. Rather, Faramir became a brat, a lumpy-nosed punk, as I've read elsewhere. What I don't understand is why they could not simply make his character exactly like it was in the books. Sam said, "Its all wrong! By all rights we shouldn't even be here!". I heartily agree.;)

[Melko Belcha]

IMO the very fact that his role was changed from the book is enough to justify dissapointment. His theme in the books was "I wouldn't take this thing if it I found it by the road-side". In the movie, he planned on taking it to his father. Not so in the book. I consider any change from the book reason enough to be dissapointed. I don't even think Faramir ended up making a wise decision. He said, "I think we FINALLY understand eachother, Frodo" (emphasis added) seeming to imply that it was Frodo's stubborn fault. His character change did NOT add a "dramatic" affect to the movie. Rather, Faramir became a brat, a lumpy-nosed punk, as I've read elsewhere. What I don't understand is why they could not simply make his character exactly like it was in the books. Sam said, "Its all wrong! By all rights we shouldn't even be here!". I heartily agree.

Elendil3119 I heartily agree myself

[Michel Delving]

Yes, but Denethor berates him in the book for not bringing him the Ring. This will be much more dramatic in the film because he sacrificed himself for the sake of it after temptation (which echoes his brother's desire for the ring). It fits better with the overall theme of the films, though it infuriates purists.

[Mirabella]

Originally posted by Michel Delving
Yeah, but how are they going to resolve the fact that he sentenced himself to death by letting Frodo go?

Obviously movie Denethor is not going to carry out the law :)

[lightingstrike]

WOW! That is a lot of replys really quick. I thank you all for your input. Now I will give some of mine.

In my opinion, this movie will be a great pick-up to TT. TT was susposed to be sort of like a bridge for FOTR to ROTK. I think that the contraversy between Faramir and Denethor will be a good reason for Faramir trying to take the ring.
Denethor perferred Boromir and in the book he even tells Faramir that he wished that their roles were reversed. He wanted the Ring so badly, that he would have even killled his own son or have him die just to get the power that it contains.
He ended up kind of killing his son anyway by ordering to go to the field out at Minas Tirith. Did he not order his son to go out to battle with the ramains and knowing that he would be devastaly overmatched? What a loving father. He wanted to have to sons so that he might have two good strong leaders and captains. Now he is left with none!! Got any more posts guys?

[Sam_Gamgee]

i disagree because i think thw hole plat of making him seem bad at first was to have him come out really good in the end liek when he let frodo go and then show him like he was in the book......... because making him seem bad but become good would make his "goodness" that much better and just put more emphasis on his carachter

[Phee]

Originally posted by Michel Delving
Yes, but Denethor berates him in the book for not bringing him the Ring. This will be much more dramatic in the film because he sacrificed himself for the sake of it after temptation (which echoes his brother's desire for the ring). It fits better with the overall theme of the films, though it infuriates purists.

I agree. I would expect there to be some intense Faramir/Denethor tension in RotK which will go a long way to explaining Faramir's actions in TTT.

[Elendil3119]

But why is that even necessary? Wasn't there already enough tension in the book? All I forsee is PJ wasting too much time on Faramir/Denethor drama, and not getting to the important stuff, like Faramir/Eowyn, Pippin/Beregrond etc... I'm not saying that the drama in the book was a "waste" of time. I just think that it would be sufficient if that was all there was in the movie. Again, I think that the only way to remedy Faramir's actions in TTT is (as many of you have said) to play out the drama between Faramir and Denethor. :mad: :(

[Michel Delving]

I was really surprised by Denethor's attitude in the book. I thought he was going to see the light like Theoden. It's almost Shakespearean that he has a fatal flaw that leads to his self murder.

What other great English actor are they going to wheel out to play Denethor? Any guesses or has someone seen a cast listing for the character? Maybe they'll do a CGI Laurence Olivier!
:D

[lightingstrike]

The character conflicts and relationships in this book and in the movie should and were a lot more interesting than the other two. The only real conflict in FOTR was Boromir and in TT there was kind of one with Sam and Frodo over Gollum. Oh, and by the way Elindil, Beregond won't be in the movie as far as I have heard. If anyone has any thing that could support of make this fact true, please post it in this thread.

[Michel Delving]

http://www.aucklandactors.co.nz/ViewActorFrame.pl?objectID=276

as per

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10250&pagenumber=2

:rolleyes: