Nominations for the Guilds Debating thingy

[munchkin]

who would like to debate in the guild debating thingy? Post if you would like to here. I think Yay will decide who goes, or maybe everyone who wants to can go!

"I WANT TO GO!!!!" *waves arm in air franticly!* "PICK ME!!!!!!"

[YayGollum]

I already asked this question in some other thread over here. oh well. Yikes! Why would I pick people to debate? Too scary! I might be forcing someone to do something they didn't want to do! oh well. No, I'm looking for volunteers. I guess making a whole new thread about it works. It'll just be useless after a while. Looks like we gots three volunteers now. Me, you, and the The_elf_Herself person. We need four. *hides*

[munchkin]

Well, you ARE the guildmasterpersonthingy! And, becides, your not forcing anyone to do anything! Now we need one more...

[Nóm]

Still just need 1 more?

I'll do it, if you others still want to. I enjoy debates.

[YayGollum]

Let me see here. Me, this munchkin person, the The_elf_Herself person, and you. That would work. I have no idea how smart this munchkin person is, but I think that the rest of us are plenty smart. :D Whoops! No offense, of course. :eek:

[munchkin]

Originally posted by YayGollum
I have no idea how smart this munchkin person is, but I think that the rest of us a plenty smart.

Oh thanks:p Look whos talking:rolleyes:

[YayGollum]

What? I happen to know that I'm plenty smart. *sniff* What, does my craziness get in the way and make people think that I'm not the smartest person around? Probably. oh well. I said ---> No offense. :rolleyes:

[Nóm]

So it's official, we're going to be in the tournament?

Someone should let Pippin_Took know. :D

[YayGollum]

Sure thing. Yes, ma'am. The guild of Dwarves will hate me, but oh well. :rolleyes:

[Nóm]

Well maybe Guild of Scholars will hate me. :D

and IMO your craziness does not get in the way of you looking smart.

I'll post in the Tournament thread that P_T started saying that we are in!

[YayGollum]

*is very easily flattered* Yay me! Anyways, I already PMed the guy, but sure, putting a huge and grand and extravagant announcement up in that thread would look good, wrouldn't it? :rolleyes:

[Dragon]

what does IMO mean?

[munchkin]

I have no clue....I was wondering that also.

[Nóm]

It means in my opinion.

I am wondering about my teammates now. Which areas of Tolkien's writings do you guys know best? I know we have the Gollum expert here, but do any of you know a lot of Gondor, Rohan and dwarves in the third age?it's been a year since I read the appendices and I only read them once. I will read them again within the next couple days but I am not sure how well I can remember all this stuff that I have less interest in.

[munchkin]

Ok, thanks.

Umm, to tell you the truth, I don't know that much about Tolkiens works. I've read some of the books. Big deal! The only thing I could do if debating will have to do with tolkien is argue. ThaTs what I'm good at! Not Tolkien. I do know some stuff, just not even close to being able to debate it with people. I could debate other stuff, if other stuff will be included...

[The-Elf-Herself]

Um, well lots really. I've read the LOTR trilogy of course, the Hobbit, the Silmarillion, the Unfinished Tales, the Lays of Beleriand, the War of the Jewels, Morgoth's Ring, and the Peoples of Middle Earth. Gosh, sounds impressive doesn't it?:rolleyes: My main specialty is elves, anything about elves. Good thing, bad things, weaselly things, evil things, laws and customs, characters, places, all that stuff. Yes maybe not outcastish, but my interesting opinions that I've drawn from this knowledge definitely is. I have to admit I'm terrible at any sort of geographical knowledge, at any age. I know a fair amount about each age, a good bit on the Numenoreans, some on hobbits, and some stuff on orcs and evil fun bad guys. That help out?

[Nóm]

I am glad to hear that. Morgoth's Ring is an important book to know in most debates. My specialty is also the elves. As long as you know the third age well, then I think we are set. I don't know how useful vol. III will be in debating, but UT and PoMe will be, and I have not read all of those myself... just the story of Tour, and the Late Writings... Glorfindel, Cirdan, Shibboleth, New Shadow.

I'll brush up on Gondor, Arnor and whatnot as best I can.

[YayGollum]

Yikes, scary munchkin person! You want to *holds back the sarcasm* Never mind. I'm sure you'll have fun arguing. That's what it's all about, right? *grits teeth and claps his hands over his mouth* Anyways, I know more than just Gollum type stuffs. I know and love and research most weaselly characters. I check out the people talking about stuffs I haven't read, so I gots a basic knowledge of some of the stuff in bookses I can't find. I know plenty of people that can toss information at me. :rolleyes: oh well. I don't want to say that I'm the best. *hides* :rolleyes:

[munchkin]

Grr, what do you have against me, Yay?

[Nóm]

That is true Yay, it is about having fun (and learning more, in my opinion), but wouldn't be extra fun now to win some of these debates?
I can't help but grin at the thought that we will indeed win some of these. :D

Or so I hope...:p

[munchkin]

Wouldn't that be nice!

[YayGollum]

If I had something against you, munchkin person, I wouldn't have held back what I was about to say. Anyways, I never said anything about winning or not. I'm superly expecting us to win every single one. *watches the munchkin person warily*

[munchkin]

Oh, ok. Yeah, we should sweep them all!:D

[Nóm]

Do you want to have a debate now for fun and for practice? We could challenge another Guild... Scholars, Tolkienologists, or maybe OiE or the Tweens... we could have a team of 2,3 or 4?

Anyone up for it?

[YayGollum]

Sure, why not? It doesn't look like the real thing will be starting up anytime soon. I think we should be using all four of our little debate team people. Why let some people practice and not others? Doesn't really matter which little guild we challenge, but I'm leaning towards the guild of Dwarves. We're the only two guilds that haven't really shown how good we are at debating. Why not help them out with practicing, too?

[Nóm]

Ok Yay, are you going to see if they are interested? I forgot about them being in the debate tournament, didn't mean to leave them out.

[YayGollum]

Sure thing. Yes, ma'am. I'll do the work. :rolleyes: But first ---> Since we're the ones with the challenge, shouldn't we have the topic ready to throw at them? I'm guessing that you had an idea hidden somewhere since you brought this up.

[The-Elf-Herself]

Sounds like fun to me. It'd be nice to sharpen up.

[Nóm]

If you consider it work, then don't do it.

I didn't mean for you to challenge them, of course you can if you want to, but just to find out if they would have any interest at all in doing this before we formally challenge them. Or, we don't have to officially challenge them, one of us could just ask one of them on MSN or through PM if they want to get a team ready. Doesn't matter to me.

I don't have a specific topic in mind, I think we should see who is debating for GoD first. I guess anyone can suggest a topic, I wouldn't want to make you do something you think is work though!

[YayGollum]

There's the little debate team for the guild of Dwarves. --->

Gamil Zirak
The_Swordmaster
Gloin
Dain Ironfoot I

Anyways, Ack! Why do you always take everything I say the wrong way? I don't consider PMing somebody to see if they feel like debating as work. Maybe I was just being sarcastic. sorry about that. oh well. Sure thing. I'll go PM people.

[Nóm]

Okay, looks like we just have to figure out which topic to use.

Hmmm...

Was the Flight of the Noldor a good thing for men?

Who messed up more: Valar or elves?

Did Gandalf know Bilbo was in Rivendell before he told Frodo about the One Ring?

Which was more foolish: Gandalf taking as long as he did to learn that Bilbo's/Frodo's was the One Ring, or Sauron neglecting to consider that someone might try to destroy his Ring?

Was Strider wrong to wait until the hobbits reached the Prancing Pony to talk to them?

These just off the top of my head, some may not be good as I haven't looked into all of them at length. Anyone have other suggestions?
I'll come up with some more later.

[YayGollum]

I'd go for the second and fourth one. Doobedoobedoo... can't think of anything else to say. That deep thought thing makes my posts look bad. :rolleyes:

[munchkin]

I like the Aragorn one! That's one I could do!

[YayGollum]

Oh? How is it not just a bunch of craziness? Of course it was right for him to do that. Everything turned out okay, didn't it? No big deal. oh well. I'm about to start the debate too early. :rolleyes:

[The-Elf-Herself]

I like two and four myself. More room for interesting opinions and ideas. The other two just sound rather bland. Just my two cents, no insult meant to you Nóm.;)

[YayGollum]

I should have said that, too. oh well. Let me see here. I PMed the dude in charge and he said that it sounds like a cool idea to him. Now which debate are we going with? The second and fourth thing seem pretty even to me, but I'm thinking that we'll probably end up going with the fourth one. *hides*

[Nóm]

They both sound good to me, so I guess we can just go with the fourth one?

Normally when two guilds debate, a third person from another Guild, or no guild at all, will post the thread and sort of host the thing. That is also the person who normally picks judges for the debate and is often a judge themself.

I think we should find such a person. If this sounds okay to you guys I'll find someone to do it. Or, one of you can find someone who'd be able to find judges. I'm going to PM someone about it right now. I'll report back. :D

[munchkin]

Ok, but shouldn't we decide what we will be debating for, like which one do we want to support. I know I'm not explaining iwhat I'm trying to say very well, but maybe you'll figure it out later on in this post...Like, we won't want to be debating on both sides about the topic. I'll use the Strider one. If one of us were saying it was wrong, and one of us are saying it was right, than we aren't really going to have a good team, are we? But if we both say it was stupid, then we could combined whats left of our brains and win the debate. Does everyone know what I'm saying now, or do people think I'm crazy?

[YayGollum]

I know what you're talking about, munchkin person. You're wondering which people will be debating about which side. Since we came up with the idea, aren't we supposed to be letting the other people choose the side they want?

[munchkin]

Good, someone knows what I'm talking about. Yeah, we pick the topic, they choose the side. Works for me!

[Nóm]

Absolutely munchkin. :)

I have debated for other guilds in teams before. We will all argue the same side, furthmore it is best that we keep in touch through PM, especially before posting anything we are unsure of. Our first and last posts in the debate will be very important, and we should speak with the Team though PM before posting these. Also, if Yay is posting the closing arguement, for example... he may stick some things the rest of us have to say into his final post. Every post is our post. :D

That is just advice though, not a rule... we can debate without contacting eachother if we wish, and this often the way of the great part of the debates that I have been in.

Oops I somehow didn't see the last two relies when I made this post yesterday!

Yes, the other team picks which side. It would be too unfair unwise! :D

[munchkin]

Yeah, we should PM each other before posting an argument, if thats what you are talking about. Then if someone doesn't like what someone is going to say, we can combined our so called brains and make really long posts!:D

[YayGollum]

Uh, huh. One thing, though. Very sad. Those Dwarf people probably won't be able to get a team now. oh well. I just PMed some other people to see if we'll still be able to do this at all. Not to worry. We still might be able to beat everyone.

[Nóm]

Hey everyone!

In case anyone didn't know it, the Guild of Tolkienologists will be debating against us with that 4th topic.

ithrynluin said he will open the debate in our Guild later today.

[The-Elf-Herself]

Huzzah, sounds great!

[Ithrynluin]

Yes, I will. I am only waiting for the Tolkienologists to come up with a full team - so far they only have three participants...

[Nóm]

Oh. Well they sure talk big for not having a team together. They sure imply that they were waiting on us.

[Aulë]

Well, if possible, I'd like this to be the opening debate for the Tournament.
So make sure you put your best teams forward :D

[Ithrynluin]

Originally posted by Nóm
Oh. Well they sure talk big for not having a team together. They sure imply that they were waiting on us.

Well I jokingly suggested that I would be on their team and they took me seriously, but I am not a member of the GoT...so there...:rolleyes:

[Nóm]

Originally posted by Aulë
Well, if possible, I'd like this to be the opening debate for the Tournament.
So make sure you put your best teams forward :D

Nay, I am against this. What does everyone else think?

This guild has never taken part in a debate... not once. We need to see what it is like to work as a team and this was originally to be our practice. But, if the rest of our team wants this to be part of the tournament, then fine with me.

ok ithrynluin :rolleyes:

[Ithrynluin]

Since this is your first debate as a team, I am also against it, but this is not up to me to decide.

Originally posted by Nóm
ok ithrynluin :rolleyes:

No problem. :rolleyes:

[Ithrynluin]

<gulp>

I just thought of something. This 'practice' debate is going to overlap with the official debate in the Tournament, which is (surprise surprise) also against the Tolkienologists.

Do you guys mind debating in both of these?

[munchkin]

Well, thats not good, but its ok with me, as long as everyone doesn't mind it.

[YayGollum]

Oo! Yikes! Creepy! Not good. oh well. A vote? While I like to hear that it'd be better to do the little practice thing first, I'm thinking that just doing the real thing would be better. Wouldn't want some people to get bogged down. I wouldn't mind debating all the time, but some people might be a little busy. *hides*

[Ithrynluin]

I went ahead and posted the debate thread. If you decide not to debate right now, I will close it.

[Lhunithiliel]

Sorry to intrude, people, but all this thing looks like a ping-pong game: "yes- debate << >> no-debate"

So, I would LOVE to have your final amswer - YES or NO to a debate before our meeting at the Tournament.......IF YOU PLEASE! :)
We'll be satisfied in both cases.

Lhun

And don't worry about our team!

[YayGollum]

Well, I just asked what these Outcasts thought. Looks like we don't mind doing both. Did the losing team --- I mean, did this Lhunithiliel person's team ever decide what side they wanted to go with? Because I think they get to go first. Or am I just crazy? oh well. Maybe this lady is just trying to stay achingly mysterious about the fourth person. :rolleyes:

[Ithrynluin]

Originally posted by YayGollum
Maybe this lady is just trying to stay achingly mysterious about the fourth person. :rolleyes:

Maybe it's one of your own teammates who will 'convert' as soon as the debate starts. :D

[YayGollum]

That's just craziness. Outcasts stick together. Why would one decide to act like a popular person? :eek: oh well. *twiddle thumbs* Will this thing have to take less than a week now? Or would debates just overlap?

[Ithrynluin]

Just for the record I closed the debate thread and will reopen it when the Tolkienologists decide they are ready.:rolleyes:

[Lhunithiliel]

Yay, Nom, munchkin, The-Elf-Herself,

It's really a pity that we had to take this decision. But it's just an unexpected coincidence and we talked it over and finally decided that since very soon we are going to meet you in a debate anyway, it would be much wiser for both teams not to waste time and efforts for preliminary practice.

This debate, however will not be forgotten and one day we'll have the pleasure of meeting you for it and....defeat you... :p :D with pleasure as well! :D

[Beleg]

This debate, however will not be forgotten and one day we'll have the pleasure of meeting you for it and....defeat you... with pleasure as well!

In about 14 days, that is. :cool: :D

[YayGollum]

Huh. How far apart are those little round things in that tournament thing? Anyways, I don't see anything wrong with just doing this thing for fun later. It was thought up in the first place so we'd get to practice before the real thing, but oh well. I guess we'll just have to see how it goes. *sniff*

[Beleg]

Huh. How far apart are those little round things in that tournament thing?

Seven days interval between two rounds.

[YayGollum]

Uh, huh. So you people hold off this little practice thing that would have happened a week before the real thing just so you can do it in between two other debates? Doesn't make much sense to me when you talk about the need to prepare. Wouldn't you have that same need for the second little round thing? oh well. Craziness. This was meant to be a good chance for people to practice working as a team, not just another debate for fun. oh well. Whatever you people decide.

[Beleg]

The first Round starts from the 18th. And in that first round We Guild of Tolkienology are Debating Guild of Outcasts, You.
The First round will last from 18th to 24 May. So this Gandalf and Sauron debate would have concided with the Debate of the Debating Tournament. It wouldn't really have been a practise.
Just two simultaneous debates between two Guilds which meant extra and unrequired effort on the part of Debators.

[munchkin]

And where will the debate take place??? Sorry, I don't get out much!

[Aulë]

The Outcasts vs. Tolkienologists debate in the Tournament shall be held in the Outcast Guild, in a thread started by the debate host (from the Scholars Guild).

[munchkin]

Ok, I thought there might be this special section of TTF where debates take place or something...

[YayGollum]

Ack! I know all of that Beleg_strongbow person, but I don't get how it wouldn't be a practice. It had nothing to do with the real thing and we hadn't done the whole debate type thing as teams before. Good practice no matter how close it would be to the real thing. I don't get all of this craziness where people are talking about the need to prepare between debates, but oh well.

This munchkin person should pay attention to that thread that's somewhere around here and always talking about the debate tournament thing. oh well. Whatever happened to that special events section? oh well.

Let me see here. This evil chrysophalax lady said she'd be a substitute type person for us.

[Nóm]

Hey guys,

I Haven't been around much. Wont be around TTF much for the next few weeks, but I'll still be debating at full force.

I see no one has volunteered to host the debate in between GoS and Tweens... I guess I will do that?

[YayGollum]

You won't be around TTF much, but you'll still be able to debate? just making sure. That's why I went looking for substitutes. Anyways, I don't mind you doing the little host thing in here. I'd still like to know what happened to that section that was around for new things, though. oh well.

[Nóm]

Yay,
For the next few weeks I will only be posting if it involves the debates. I got into some trouble the other day.

I went ahead and hosted that debate between GoS and Tweens.


Now ithrynluin needs us to submit a team. I guess we are everyone but chrysophalax the substitute? Whoever reads this first can just PM him I guess? Or give me the word, and I will let him know?

[Nóm]

Hello dear team!

The topic for our next debate has been started ove rin the Guild of Elves.

The good news is that the topic is tiny compared to our last one.

Go have a look! :D

Now we have to submit a team to Anamatar. I assume it will the same team as last time... being that we only have 4 people on our team?

Just making sure.

Now if someone will be too busy to take part in this debate, can we leave you on our team anyhow, so that we have enough to qualify as a team? :p

[The-Elf-Herself]

Yep, I'm all ready for this topic. Can't wait to actually debate this time.

[YayGollum]

Looks like we just have these four. I PMed a bunch of people a while ago and noone wanted to help out. Not even my evil mom lady. She wants to have all kinds of fun with some other guild. *sniff* Anyways, why were you not able to help out, The_elf_Herself person? I'm also wondering about that munchkin person, but oh well.

[Anamatar IV]

The debate has started, Guild of Elves gets first choice of sides.

[YayGollum]

Uh, huh. You never changed the list of members like I asked you to. oh well. Anyways, we have two new substitutes! Yay us! The Sarah person and the Rhiannon person. I'll go see if we can replace that munchkin person that doesn't show up anymore with this Rhiannon person since she seemed interested.

[The-Elf-Herself]

I wasn't able to debate before due to a significant lack of time. Just when I'd get a good post typed up, someone would kick me off the computer. Also, I had real-life obligations. Fortunately, such is not the case now. I shouldn't have any problems in participating.

[YayGollum]

Got it. Whoops! oh well. Nevermind. Yes. Go have fun. It's in the guild of elves right now. You didn't miss too much.

[Nóm]

That's right!

It is a fun debate, and I'd love to have some other outcasts join Yay and I. :)

[Nóm]

Good job in the debate you guys! Glad to have you join in.

Will anyone be online within a couple hours before the debate closes?

We should proobably get the last word since they went first? When I go first I let the other team go last, but there is no rule that says we have to.

Anyhow, I'll probably be online when the debate ends so I can do a closing post? Or someone else can... either way.

If I do the closing post and anyone wants me to be sure to include something, just PM it to me.

[YayGollum]

Is it really an especially smart thing to organize things like that? Why not just let anyone post whenever they have time to? If we want to emphasize things, nothing's stopping us from repeating them. oh well. Maybe your right. Even though I'm posting over there, there's nothing wrong with anyone else posting right after me. *hides*

[Nóm]

No we don't have to be all organized.

I just thought there might be people who wouldn't be online when the debate ends, but had something they wanted to get in as a last word.

Yeah, I guess nothing is stopping me or anyone else from posting after you did.

Maybe I am wrong in this, but I just wouldn't feel right posting twice after their closing statement. I guess that's my problem, any anyone else who happens to come online before the debate ends is welcome to do what I feel wrong about.

[YayGollum]

I'm sure that they'll especially want to do that after you talk about it like that. :rolleyes: oh well. Not a huge deal. Anyways, the next time a debate is almost over, we should toss ideas together a little earlier than this time. Not everyone is here every day.

[Nóm]

Why wouldn't they?

I didn't say it was wrong. I simply would not feel good doing it, especially against GoE/D... I like them. Very good sports.

Whatever, we can all do whatever we want.

[YayGollum]

Why wouldn't they especially post the way we're talking about after what you had to write, or why wouldn't they show up every day? I'll go with the first thing. After what you wrote about it, I would think that you believe that we were being nice and fair the way we did things. If we had decided to post twenty seven times in a row right before the end, we would be a little unfair. Makes sense to me. Being nice and fair and full of politeness and morality. *collapses* :rolleyes:

[YayGollum]

Doobedoobedoo... well, we have a new Outcast helping us out for this third debate. The Sarah lady. So who else wants to get in on this round?

[The-Elf-Herself]

I'll debate this time as well. Getting huge amounts of free time now, I'm really looking forward to debating. Can't have enough of it!:D Oh, by the way which Guild are we going up against?

[Nóm]

We are against OiE, who I have wanted to take on for months!

HOORAY

PS: I went ahead and listed our team in that thread snaga1 started for our next debate.

[YayGollum]

Oh. Well, I was going to sit this one out if any other Outcasts especially wanted to join. I've been in two and some might want to help out more. oh well. Not a huge deal. I'll move if someone especially wants me to. *bawls* :rolleyes:

[Nóm]

Well then I'll edit my post to say that someone might be replacing you.

[YayGollum]

No need to edit. just PM the scary person in charge with the change, I would think. oh well. I'm just trying to be nice and fair. I would love debating in all of the rounds. Doobedoobedoo...some judge or host or something said that I am hard to understand sometimes for the people that don't naturally speak English. Would you people mind pointing my mistakes out to me every now and then? I'm an evil and oblivious person most of the time.

[The-Elf-Herself]

Well, also I have to say Yay, your habit of calling the opposite teams arguments "crazy" doesn't really help our side. People who aren't Outcasts(and even some Outcasts), take the term in a negative context and they get all superly offended for some reason. Using that word in other places is fine, but in official debates, I wouldn't recommend it. Just an idea.

[YayGollum]

Makes sense to me. I learned that in the first debate, though. oh well. Shall try to hold back. Doobedoobedoo... that other team needs to hurry up and get a team ready for this new debate. I guess they're afraid of us. :rolleyes: Anyways, I have been ordered to tell you people that you should read that thread all about the official rules they're making for this tournament thing. sorry for thinking that you already have.

[Chymaera]

Help I need judges!

I am hosting the Round 3 debate between the Scholar's and the Tolkienologists and I need a member of your Guild to judge.

someone please PM me as soon as possible

thank you

[YayGollum]

oh well. Your little PM box thing was full. Of course I would love to judge debateses! But then, I have no idea if any other Outcasts have offered. Too bad. I'd always have fun with judging any other debateses.

[The-Elf-Herself]

Well, I'm already judging a debate this round, so I'll have to opt out.

[Rhiannon]

Chymaera, I tried to reply to you, but your box was full- but yes, I'd be willing to judge.

[Nóm]

New debate starting soon: who is in?

Sorry about that last round, perhaps I should let others post more, as I seem to lose the debates for us. But I must say that in my opinion we whooped OiE into the ground! All the same, sorry about the loss! Perhaps we should have taken the other side of the arguement, but nothing unforeseen by me was brought up by them, the entire debate was pretty much thought through before it began, so I think this was our best CHANCE at a win, though we lost. But it's okay, we have Periaur next, and they have Snaga. Though GoS and GoT each have a couple deadly foes, and those are the teams we go against after Periaur. Lots of fun.

[Rhiannon]

I'd be glad to debate again, but depending on the topic I might be fairly useless.

[The-Elf-Herself]

I'm in, as usual. Yeah, I thought we had that last one won. I mean, we went through all possible arguments beforehand and they didn't use anything we hadn't prepared for. Ah well. At least I managed to convince myself, now I firmly believe in the side we were debating. Anyways, I am officially DONE with school, so I'll have lots more time and I WILL post more than once this time if it-severely causes me harm.;)

[Sarah]

I'll join

[YayGollum]

Well, it's between you and me, Confusticated lady. I'm pretty sure that both of us will be achingly disappointed if we miss out on a topic that we happen to like. oh well. *bawls* Whatever you decide. :rolleyes:

[Nóm]

Ah I hadn't even considered the chance of one of us missing out on a topic we like very much.

Why don't you join this one, Yay. Especially since you were willing to give up your place last time. If it turns out to be a topic that I regret having missed, I'll just complain and whine about it like a baby and say it was a conspiracy. How's that?

Well... have fun guys! I hope you do well.

Ah this should make Aule's day... I believe he was a little concerned about the Periaur going against me. Though I do not know why.

[Rhiannon]

I can certainly bow out, Nom & Yay- I'm going to be gone over the weekend anyway, and like I said, depending on the topic I might be of no use.

[YayGollum]

Well, isn't having someone on our little team thing that scares the other people a good thing? Ack! Somebody needs to stop being so submissive! One of us gots to say ---> "Argh! I will be in the debate! You can't stop me!" :rolleyes: oh well. We'll go with what we have if people don't change minds. *sniff*

[Nóm]

Thanks Rhiannon. I'll go ahead and join in her place, Yay.

Let be known I only think Aule is worried about me because he doesn't know enough to know he need not be. :D

[YayGollum]

Got it. The aule person makes the Aule from the bookses look bad. :( oh well. So it's ---> Confusticated, Sarah, The_elf_Herself, and YayGollum. I didn't see that the thread was up yet.

[Nóm]

Well, who wants to be on the team for our next debate? It will be against GoS.

I'm willing.

[YayGollum]

So am I. I hope to see more participation from Outcasts other than us this time. No offense. I'm sure you people can come up with good excuses. I don't think that mine was very good for this last round, but oh well. I said that I was an evil person who felt bad about it. *hides*

[Rhiannon]

I'm always willing to participate, Yay- I'm just willing to step back because I'm the least competent person you've got.

[The-Elf-Herself]

I'm going to sit this one out. I'm having a bunch of cousins over for a while and with work and writing, I just don't have the time right now.

[YayGollum]

Well, we haven't heard anything from the Sarah person, have we, Rhiannon person? :rolleyes: No offense, Sarah person. Have fun, The_elf_Herself person. *looks around for a fourth*

[Rhiannon]

No, YayGollum person, we haven't heard from the Sarah person.

[Sarah]

Here's the sarah person. Sorry about last time, I had no clue what everyone was talking about (no I am not blonde!) I would love to try again if you will have me?

[YayGollum]

Not a huge deal. Anyways, I won't say no. Have fun. Isn't this fifth round the one we'll be postponing for a while? Or was it the fourth one and a few people just started it early anyways?

[Nóm]

The Fifth round was moved up a week. If it had not been it would have started nearly a week ago.

Hmm... I guess that clears it up?


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[YayGollum]

Yes, things have become clear. *is afraid of scary dots that have come into existance for no good reason*

[Nóm]

The topic for our debate is posted. It is one that I love.

Tell me if I am stepping out of line, I know I normally PM the team to see which side we want, but in this case does anyone mind if I pick our side? The reason I ask is that I think none of you have read The Statute of Finwe and Miriel or The Shibboleth of Feanor, things that contain much more information on this topic that does the published Silmarillion.

I'm just asking here, if you guys do not agree then just let me know, or PM me saying which side you want.

[The-Elf-Herself]

*gets huge grin when she sees the topic and raises hand*

Ooooh! Ooooh! Um, is it too late to join in? I can MAKE time for this topic! Please? I've read that stuff over and over, I'm a strange person, that's one of my favorite parts of Morgoth's Ring, puhleeeeeze??? Pretty pretty please? *gets down on her knees* See, I even have a copy right here to use quotes from! *waves copy of Morgoth's Ring* Can I, can I, can I? *realizes she's looking desperate and gets up, dusting herself off* Just curious. *smiles sheepishly* If it's too late, I can just be an advisor.

[Nóm]

Well, I don't know if there is any rule about trading members after the topic is given but before the debate starts. I do know they ask for the team before they give the topic so that guilds do not form a team specific to the topic. It's sort of a luck of the draw thing... a gamble.

I'd say go ask in the debate thread, if GoS minds if you replace one of GoO. It might be okay with them.


But for being an advisor, I am pretty sure that is not allowed.

[Rhiannon]

Jam can take my place, since I know next to nothing about the topic- if it's all right with all those concerned.

[YayGollum]

Sure thing. sorry about that. Next time, I guess. Anyways, Yikes! How much do those Morgoth's Ring things help? I've just read The Sil. and I happen to know that I'd be able to debate for either side. oh well. I have no preference for what side to take. It's boring. *collapses*

[Sarah]

yay's prolly our spokesperson this time, cuz i have no idea what i'd be talking about.

[YayGollum]

Spokesperson? I had no idea that we've had a spokesperson for any of these debates. What would a spokesperson do, anyways? I have no idea. oh well. Hm. You have no idea what you'd be talking about. Time for a crash course in a PM. As soon as I find out what our side is.

[Nóm]

Another debate starts anytime now. Who's in?

[The-Elf-Herself]

Um, I'd just like to announce that I will be dropping out of the GOO debating team semi-permanently. I'm just too busy right now, and well, I never participated much anyway. I guess I prefer more informal stuff.

[Nóm]

Hmm...
Anyone not want to debate but willing to stick your name on the team just so we can submit a fuller team.

[Sarah]

um, I'll join. but there's no guarantee i'll know anything as the last two debates just proved.

[Rhiannon]

Um, same here. I'm willing to participate, but a lot of the topics aren't subjects I know.

[YayGollum]

I shall help, of course. Also, yes, I am an evil person for not having the books to read to help out in that last little debate. *hides*

[Nóm]

There should be another debate starting in a few days.

I'm willing, but who else would like to take part?

Anyone out there who hasn't debated before want to give it a try? Not as hard as it might look, and can be pretty fun.

[YayGollum]

Yes, I am afraid. More Outcasts should show up. oh well. Yes, you have excuses. sorry about that. I will help.

[Sarah]

i'll do it, but only if u can't find anyone else. put me in as a last minute thing. i've not been very useful.

[YayGollum]

Not a huge deal. Yay for volunteers. I'm sure that this next topic will be something achingly thought-provoking and fun and simple to understand. No need to flip through even one book. :rolleyes:

[Rhiannon]

My life just suddenly went crazy, so now I have guilt because I thought I was going to be helpful this time around and I didn't even show up.

[Nóm]

:D Maybe it is just as well, the debate was a disgrace... I didn't got along well with Eriol. I knew that might happen but I tried anyways.... didn't work. Anyhow my frustration at him got the best of me and I debated very poorly.

By the way Yay, Eriol was over in a GoT thread that wasn't started to discuss debates, accussing you and I of 'personal attacks' Isn't that rich now. :D

Hmm... next debate should be starting today but probably wont. Rhiannon, you signing up for this one?

And thanks Sarah, it looks like we will be adding you to the list.

[YayGollum]

Yes, I noticed what the Eriol person wrote, but didn't feel the need to argue. I've thought that plenty of people were being evil to me when they weren't meaning to, I'm sure. Of course I don't remember being intentionally evil to anyone, but then, many people like to think of me as evil and aggressive and don't like my harmless sarcasm. Whoops. *blinks innocently while looking around for more volunteers*

[Rhiannon]

Sorry, guys, I should probably just pass. A lot of things are starting up this week that will make life even crazier.

[baragund]

Hi Guys...

Maedhros just approved my topic so we are ready to begin Round 7 as soon as the Elves and Dwarves put up their team. Are you still going with two?

[YayGollum]

Yes, yes, yes. Why not? Those other people need to hurry up.

[Nóm]

Well, Yay single-handedly won the last debate. Hooray! I don't think anyone had too much fun with it though? Ah well.

The next debate will be against OiE, who wants in on it? I'll probably take part. Not sure when it will start yet, but probably at least a week from now.

I believe GoO is scheduled to Host two more of the remaing debates. I would like to Host the one between OiE and GoT, if no one else wants it. As for the other one... I forget which teams it is, but I'll do that too assuming I am around at the time (which I SHOULD be) if no one else wants the job. If anyone wants the job but is not sure what it involves I can let you know exactly what to do.

[Rhiannon]

I'd be happy to host one of the debates- but would you go over the duties, just so I know for sure?

Life has calmed down a bit, so I'm hoping I'll be able to participate in the next debate, but as always, I may be no use at all depending on the subject.

And hurrah for Yay!

[YayGollum]

Well, I had fun with the debate. I even wrote that down in the debate thread, but oh well. The fact that I didn't post much doesn't mean that I didn't enjoy it. Those people took a while to reply to me in the first place, then I couldn't post much after that because of evil excuses that wouldn't be appreciated. oh well. Of course I will participate in this next debate thing. Why not? Anyways, why don't you go look at that thread with rules on it to find out what a host is supposed to do, Rhiannon person? Or is getting a summary from someone better?

[Sarah]

Im sorry i didn't debate last and left yay to fight the evil apponents single handedly. I didn't know what we were talking about.

Maybe I'll try again, but everytime i say i will i dont do anything. so take me if u want me.

*sulk*

[YayGollum]

That's fine, crazy lady. I had no idea what I was doing towards the beginning, either. I have no problem with you tossing your name onto the list of names of people helping out, of course. Have fun. I am achingly sure that this time, the topic will be something that everyone knows all kinds of things about. :rolleyes: Also, Confusticated lady, how did you get that crazy thing in your little signature thing? Scary!

[Sarah]

How did I get it? Um, i used all ten little appendages on my hands, called fingers, and I used them to press down little buttons that are infront of me. Each button represents one letter on what's called a keyboard. When these buttons are pressed the letter they represent appears on screen. When the letters come up, when put in the right order, they make words. When words are put in the right order, they make sentences. And that's what I did to make that sentence.

[YayGollum]

You are not the Confusticated lady. You are the Sarah person, as far as I know. No, I was talking to an Outcast who posted before you. Whoops. oh well. She already took the thing out of her signature, so I can't point it out to you.

[Rhiannon]

Wait...*works things out nice and slowly* Nom is the confusticated lady, and he meant the thumbs-up graphic she had.

[YayGollum]

Yes, that's what I meant. I just don't like writing the lady's new name. *runs away*

[Sarah]

well then, u should specify.

[Nóm]

Okay the debate will probably start soon.

I guess we have a full team this time.

About the thumbs up, Yay, I used the Wingdings font.

About hosting, Rhiannon, Aule has reserved the ninth round for you. That will probably start a couple weeks from now. You'll have to come up with a topic and then PM Maedhros so he can check it, or just PM Maedhros and ask him for a topic. When the time comes you'll open a thread in the debate forum asking the guilds to list their teams, or if you already know their teams you can list them yourself. Once the teams are submitted you give the topic and tell them the debate will end 7 days after the opening arguement is posted.

It's best to have 5 judges before the debate ends so you can start looking for judges as early as you'd like. You'll be a judge yourself, and there will be a judge from each of the other three guilds who will not be in the debate. The ninth round which has been reserved for you is between OiE and GoT, so you'll want a judge from the Guild of Elves/Dwarves, from the Periaur, the Guild of scholars, and one neutral judge. To get an idea on who you can pick for judges you can check the scoreboard that is over in the Debate forum.

You may also post in the debate thread, to remind the teams a day or two before the debate ends and give an exact time for end of the debate.

hmm... I think that's about it. Let me know if anything is still unclear.


Sarah... Yay always calls me Confusticated because that was my (achingly original?) name before I changed to Nom about a year ago.

[YayGollum]

Got it. Wingdings font. *pretends that he knows what that is* :rolleyes: But then, how would you be able to grab something like that and put it over here? Sounds like you'd need all kinds of knowledge of computer type things. oh well. Yes, Confusticated was an achingly original type name. How many Tolkien type fans do you expect to come in here and name themselves that?

[Nóm]

Guys, I totally wussed out in the debate. I do not feel right supporting the side we are stuck with.

Rhiannon - you haven't read The Silmarillion, have you?

Yay - you may have to go alone... if you want to debate this Round. I am so sorry but I can't do it. It would go too much against what I believe, and the topic is important to me.


But Yay, if there is anything you'd like mroe information about, let me know and I'll get it to you if I can. I guess that would be okay since I am technically on the team.

[Rhiannon]

Rhiannon - you haven't read The Silmarillion, have you?

Only the beginning, and right afterwards I had a bad fever, which is what side-tracked me. If you'll tell me which parts are pertinent, though, I'll go over them and see what I can do. I have fall break all of next week (hurrah!).

I certainly don't blaim you for backing, Nom, when it's a side you feel you really can't support.

[Nóm]

Well Chapters 6-9 of 'Quenta Silmarillion' Tell about Feanor, the Silmarils, and the darkening of Valinor on up to Feanor's refusal to hand over the Silmarils.

I can't imagine how much sense these chapters will make alone. I also don't know how much you already know about these events... so I'm not sure what you will be able to do... but those chapters are the best starting point I guess.

OiE's opening post is an excellent place to find out what was going on with Feanor.

There are a couple points you could probably help out on even without having read 6-9. Mostly the fact that just because Feanor was apt to deny Yavanna's request due to his personality and beliefs, does not mean it wasn't wrong of him. This is a point you could argue well without knowing all the details of the events. Maybe even also the fact that Mandos's foreknowledge that the Fate of Arda was locked within the silmarils is irrelevant. Both for the reason I already posted in the debate and also because it can not have been a motive of Feanor.

I could also just PM you guys with some arguements and you could post them if you want to, and add 'therefore Feanor was wrong' and stuff like that... things I don't want to say.

[Nóm]

Okay, I am going to debate, but I will do very little. Sarah may help too... I may suggest some arguements for her to add. I can present some arguement in the debate but I wont really claim they make Feanor wrong, that is where you guys can come in if you want. Hopefully Yay who knows a lot about Feanor will show up too. But if not it's okay... we've already won a couple debates and that is cool.

[Sarah]

I can try...

[YayGollum]

I know a lot about Feanor? Oh, okay. I forgot. Anyways, Yay for the Confusticated lady not running away. I like the side that they took, too, but have no problem with going for a side that isn't my favorite. I'll just point out at the end that I disagree with everything that I just wrote. :rolleyes:

[Nóm]

Next debate starts soon. It is against the Periaur... Aule, Legolam, Celebthol and Snaga :D.

I'm In. Who else?

Rhiannon, would you like to host the debate between OiE and GoT in this round? If so, you can send Maedhros whichever topic you'd like and he will judge if it is sufficient to use in debate. If you don't have any topic in mind you can ask Maedhros to provide one. Don't hesitate to PM me if you are unclear on anything.

[Celebthôl]

Be on your own AGAIN Nóm :D hehehe. :p

[Aulë]

Hush Thol- Never laugh at live Dragons/Noms. ;) An angry Nom is something we don't want to debate against :p

[Nóm]

The next debate will be starting at any time now. Who wants in?

[The-Elf-Herself]

Is this for the GOO against the Scholars? That one where you're going it alone? Hunh, well-I've gotten my life somewhat under control and while I don't know much about the topic of dwarven cities, I do know how to debate the type of question it's phrased as and I'm also a quick learner. If it's not too late, could I join the team? I'd really like to do this, sounds like fun, I like arguing over this type of esoteric subject.

[Nóm]

Yes, this is the one.

It is not to late to join.

[Rhiannon]

I know nothing about the topic, but I'm here for moral support!

[The-Elf-Herself]

Alrighty, I was thinking you'd post first Nom, but as that is not the case, I'll do it. *shrugs*