Lands, Territories, and the like

[Dengen-Goroth]

I seem to think that it wold be best to set up the lands as they are, and their lords. Now, if there are wars, we may postthe gains/loses here, nice and neat.:) This will make everything simpler for newbies who don't know what the heck is going on, or those who want in on the "action". I've attached this link to the official New Line Cinema's map of ME, which is very nice and filled with all that one would need to see. Refere here if you don't have a map or two pasted to your wall;) As I see it so far-
Ciryaher III and the Lady Kementari-Arnor as well as Eraidor
King E-Rohan
Mike B and Chippy-Gondor, though they have been silent
Dengen-Goroth and Tar-Ancalime-Mordor
Telchar-Khazad-Dum
So far all know, but if there is more post it here, and refere to the map for direction. Anothr thing, I believe South Ithilien and the such, west of Mordor, are Mordors. Just a little extension.
Still open-Rivendell, Harad, the Easternlings, Enedwaith, Iron Hills, The Brown Lands and Rhun(not for long ;)

http://www.lordoftherings.net/legend/map/flashmap.html

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Well, if your getting back into the title thing again, I guess it is time to take from Ciryaher what he has taken from me...

[Dengen-Goroth]

Well, since there is now a full rebellion you could also to Enedwaith, right next to the contested lands (Though I think it's part of Eraidor). Also, 2 legions of Orcs (legion=500 each) has taken the lands on the banks of South Ithilien and southward, once known as South Gondor. This land is but a desert, and serves no purpose to Gondor, and it has not been claimed by Gondor, therefor it is now a province of Mordor. I do not declare war on Gondor, or any of her allies. For it is not of Gondor's land.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Nay, I stake my claim at a more northern location, I hereby usurp the lands of Minhiriath, Cardolan, and Rhudaur (the land between the Greyflood and the Brandywine) which doth include such places as Bree and Fornost(my capitol). As for those of bree, I decree you a free people, with an election is to be held in bree to who is to be the new mayor, anyone wishing to apply for the position can PM me. And for Rhudaur, is'nt there a Knight of Rhudaur? If there is you can lay claim to your land and rule it as you see fit.

[Kementari]

Forgive me,but im tring to peice together Elessars claim. This is the fourth age. Ciryhaer is the true heir of
Elros; he ruled the ReUnited Realms until the thrown of Gondor
was taken by the ELECTED King Mike (who is not even of Numeanorian blood). After the thrown of Gondor was usurped the Battle of Threachery took place (heres some proof http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=222). After the Battle he removed to Arnor shareing his Kingdom with Mike.
Elessar ive heard you call yourself the heir of Elfstone,
you are claiming to be the rightful heir to Arnor and Gondor? How is this possible? Mike you could be more involed than you think

by the way Dengen, it was nice of you to put my name up there

[¤-Elessar-¤]

First I have answers.
Kem, you seem to be a little lax in your knowledge of LOTR, Elessar is Aragorn, heir of Isildur. In the end of the LOTR I spoke of reuniting the lands. My name in the appendix of the Sil reads as thus-
Aragorn- the thirty-ninth heir of Isildur in direct line; King of the reunited realms of Arnor and Gondor after the War of the Ring; wedded Arwen, daughter of Elrond. Called the Heir of Isildur


Then Questions,
It makes me wonder, both you and your husband speak of the fourth age and times after my supposed death. In which book or other of tolkiens peices do these lay? For the furthest into the fourth age I have read was simply the end of the Unfinished Tales and the uprising of Harad again. And also i would like to add that the forum is not of the fourth age, it is where all of the ages meet. I simply cannot shake the feeling that Ciryaher.

Oh, and IF ciryaher is the heir of elros, which I am not, Than he can go back and rule the submerged realm of Numenore, for that is his kingdom. He can leave my realm and good people alone.

Have a nice day- €

[Dengen-Goroth]

Well Kem, you are the high Queen of Arnor. And could you guys please take this discussion to another thread, this one is to serve for any and all RP's where we can post land gains, our army, and such, not battle. Thanks.

[Lucie Baggins]

Elessar-
Your territories seem to be getting very close to Hobbiton- I hope you're not planning to take over there, too. We don't need someone else like Sharkey, trying to force changes on us. Please don't try anything like that- or you'll have the whole hobbit community up in arms :mad: .

~Lucie the Wonderful but Worried :( ~

[¤-Elessar-¤]

worry not, mrs. baggins, i shall do with all of the hobbits what I did with Bree, they shall run themselves, as will all who I liberate, save for the men of Arnor, of which I shall Be King, Most of the rest of Eriador shall rule itself.

[Tar-Ancalime]

I'm really glad i'm included, cause dengen you haven't pmd me any time soon or recent.

[Talierin]

I respectfully ask whoever has Ithilien if I may have sub-rule over it. That's all I want.

[Tar-Ancalime]

according to the top thing south ilithilen is open.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

can the lands only be in the fourth age too? cause if that is true than i have a lot of posts and threads to deleat...

[Beorn]

Elessar...you've got a lot of balls saying Kem doesn't know her LotR stuff: http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=377

Isn't Elfstone the same guy as Elessar...

You are the rightful heir to Gondor, but I was elected. As for the realms being reunited: Today is a day in the Fourth Age, the Age of Men, but King Ciryaher resides in Arnor, and rules over there. He asked to move to there, and I granted it to him.

[Dengen-Goroth]

All lands from the south banks of South Ithilien and southward are mine. Everything Northward you must speak with Chippy or Mike, whoever's in charge.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

why, then do people use their names? I picked the name Elessar because I saw alot of myself in him. I will be him, even If I have to be his clone made by aliens and sent into the future unknowingly.

Everything already set up doesnt fit with tolkiens stuff, I mean the white council is made of WIZARDS with like harry potter type magical powers. none of that was tolkien. And gondor certinly didnt have elections for its kings, it had lineage. I think everybody is being just a little bit hypocritical. were there guilds in tolkiens world? Were there flying potatoes? You have to losten up a bit, I mean the prancing pony would be boring if we followed every detail. I just happen to like the ages of elves and men better than the age of men. I mean we live in an age of men, what is the fun of fantasy if it resembles reality?

Thats it, im sorry, im not going to argue with you, you are firm set in your ways and i cannot sway them, I give away all my lands, and the rebellion is ended, or as a matter of fact, i guess it never even existed. So much for fun at the forum.

[Beorn]

Names are just different ways of identifying you. You do not need to be your name while playing an RPG.

Borbroniol (RP5) was a guy who many people controlled. Everyone just gives in their own twist to the story. Whats the fun if you.

The RPs are played in the Fourth Age because we don't want to alter Tolkien's timeline. The wizards guild is just a clique of people.

[Eomer Dinmention]

Ellesar even though in the details you are the rightful King of Gondor Mike was elected and he shall rule Gondor until he steps down just let him rule Gondor aren't you more thinking of Arnor that is where you shall rule not Gondor Mike was the King and he will be you shall Rule Arnor once i crush his head with my hand and squeese all of the blood out of his head and take out his eyes and and step and give his body to a hungry man eating dragon oh sorry got carried away lol;)

Anyway i am happy i got my rightful land Rohan AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO CLAIM ROHAN I SHALL KILL THEM TO THEIR BODYS ROT oops sorry got carried away again lol:p

But i would like Rivendell to stay left alone not owned by anyone let it govern itself

and i also would like that whoeva hold Ithilien that they hand it over to Tal or i shall have to deal with them lolehehehehehhehe:D

[Lantarion]

If I must, I will take Thranduil's place and rule over Greenwood the Great..
But I strongly oppose any organized attempt to lay a basis for rpg's: they should be spur-of-the-moment stories, written with intent and depth. Adding a huge plot and characters and rulers etc. will only decrease the quality of the rpgs. Well, I have spoken..

[Kementari]

I agree Ponti, we have to start a thread where everyone can post there actions, it should be writin like a story and have no OOC arguements (like in the RPG 5). You have to be very descriptive....

[Tar-Ancalime]

Dengen their mine too! We sound stupid Elessar running around ranting like Legolas in Lothlorien for having to wear a blindfold, and other things, peace will never come in a forum full of hot heads

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Tar, i care not what you think. I can already see that we will not be friends here. I have a hunch that we may meet ere long in a bloody field, and then you shall see why I took the name Elessar. I do not wish to be some superhuman being, i fight only because i beleive the cause just and the purpose true. And you need not insult that which you so not know, for that is why Ciryaher eats not this day.

[Mithrandir]

Originally posted by ¤-Elessar-¤

, I mean the white council is made of WIZARDS with like harry potter type magical powers. none of that was tolkien.
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I am very insulted. Comparing me and my White Wizards to Harry Potter, we are not like them we just base our powers on our color, and I believe that Tolkien's Wizards had similar powers but just didn't show them all the time.

[Tar-Ancalime]

I do not fight elessar, you are very insulting, I was just pointing out i made NO intention of starting a hatred. Anyway, superman is how a view aragorn, he's human, but has some elf wisdom in his body, no offense, peace???

[¤-Elessar-¤]

I am sorry Tar, I wish to be enimies with noone who does not wish the same on me, I felt backed into the corner. I cant help but feel that everyone is critisizing my opinions. FOR those of you who are, you can kiss my... well you know what.

[Eomer Dinmention]

Ellesar we need not to have language like that i would suggest you apoligise to Mith right now he does not Like the Word
HARRY POTTER and remember i am the in the White Council so if you don't then you shall loser one of your most needded allies

[Mithrandir]

Amen Brother:mad: :mad: :mad:
Harry Potter, EEEEKKKKK!!!!!!!!!

[¤-Elessar-¤]

OK, either path I choose to take now leads me to someone yelling at me, so here it goes. Mith, i did not mean you, I was refering to people like the one who tried to turn me into a stuffed animal the other day. :)

I hereby take the lands of and surrounding Hobbiton. My troop of 150 knights of the Dunadan took the brnadywine bridge in battle. Mine and Eomers troops now occupy the land around it.

[Kit Baggins]

My Hobbits will defend the Brandywine Bridge for you. If you need more help, we know the area better than anyone else.

~General Baggins

[Ciryaher]

Yes, leave it to the heathen to try to get what they want by staining the blessed Earth with the blood of good hobbits and men. He that is quick to draw his sword is apt to stumble upon it.

[Tar-Ancalime]

This is madness!!!!

thats ok Elessar, I was just as you know stating my opinion

*carolers enter*

"hark the harold angels sing, glory to the new born king PEACE on earth and MERCY mild god and sinners reconciled, joyful all ye nation lie join the triumph of the skies with angleic hosts proclaim christ was born in bethelem hark the herald angels sing glory to the newborn king"

ps:notice the all caps words

[Beorn]

Mike, considering the news is unsure who's side to defend:

It seemed as though Ciryaher Hyarmacendil III (sorry about spelling....) was trying to usurp the lands from the peasents of Northern Middle-earth. He seemed at first that his want for power was overtaking him...again. But, from his recent words, he has disspelled that thought in my head. He now claims to bring peace

And, originally, Elessar & the hobbits seemed to be on the side of good. Now, I see that Elessar is taking lands, right out from under the feet of the Hobbits. And they don't even care!!!
I hereby take the lands of and surrounding Hobbiton. My troop of 150 knights of the Dunadan took the brnadywine bridge in battle. Mine and Eomers troops now occupy the land around it.

Then, Gen. KB said he will defend the bridge for Elessar. Elessar is out to start a war. He shall not avail.

With Ciryaher I stand, again, after my brief period of confusion. I believe I now see through the smoke and fog who is good, and who is bad.

If, it does turn out that Ciryaher Hyarmacendil III is taking more lands, or attempting to, Gondor shall be a nation of refuge. Although the new citizens will be taxed, they may find our land more comfortable in peace than theirs in war.

Freedom Go Bragh!!!

[Mithrandir]

If you would be so kind as to tell me the Wizard which tried to do this to you I would be much obliged, and thanks for the apology, I accept.:D

[Beorn]

It wasn't a wizard:


Dain Ironfoot: Puts a spell on ellesar for ranting. Ellasar is a teddy bear.

Anyway...search for 'teddy' in the past 20 or so posts in the Silver Dragon

[Mithrandir]

O OK thanx:D

[Dengen-Goroth]

How is it that this thread, which I began in good nature, erupted into disputes and the like. I am as always nuetral.:rolleyes:

[Tar-Ancalime]

ditto; I enjoy being neutral! Anywho Elessar yelled at me!

[Sarendara]

Umm... could someone please expalin to a newbie (heh) how I can join in on this whole system? Thanks!

[Eomer Dinmention]

As i have heard from Mike B

Ellesar i thought you were good
you are taking more land then Cir
i thought you only want Eriador not Hobbiton and others

I don't know what to do

Form my counselling from my fellow men in Rohan i now stand alone i will not take sides i shall only stay on the side of Rohan i wish no longer to pick sides i shall only Govern and defend Rohan if anyone wants to destroy Rohan i shall stand alone and defeat them i am sorry Ellesar i now take back my pledge of Allegiance ( just like what i did to Cir hehehehh) back unless you have a very good reason i shall call my Men back as they live happily to the end

[Eomer Dinmention]

whateva the sides of wizards is i shall take
but i will no longer be supporting troops

[Kit Baggins]

So who exactly is still on our side (i.e. the rebellion)?

~General Baggins

[Tar-Ancalime]

I think no side has equal support, the nuetrality is winning!

[Ciryaher]

Let me get a few things straight, for the benefit of all:

A) My original Kingdom of Arnor(before the Empire) consisted of the kingdoms of Arthedain, Cardolan, and Rhudaur

B) In my Imperial Decree, I claimed ALL lands between the Misty Mountains to the Great Sea, and from the Icebays of Forochel to the Isen (not a quote, but that is what is clearly mean't) I of course excluded the Mithlond, Rivendell, and the Dwarven Kingdoms from the annexation. Since the Shire was always officially part of Arnor, I had no need to claim it again.

C) I caused no bloodshed in these annexations, and stated that I was going to rebuild the old cities in the Minhriath and the Enedwaith (Lond Daer and Tharbad in particular) and did not treat the Shire any differently than before.

D) I have no intentions of claiming any other lands except perhaps the land between the Isen and the Ered Nimrais (Druwaith Iaur)

Those are the facts, whether you will delude yourself into calling them 'smooth politics' or not.

[Tar-Ancalime]

At least we had no repeat of RP # 6

[Mithrandir]

Seeing as King eomer is one of my most trusted and beloved:p white Wizards I officialy claim that the White Council calls a neutrality in this affair, I resign from my position of the Wiazard of Cardolan and will move my White Council to Rohan, where we shall set up our hedquarters to protect Rohan:D
I hope that is ok Eomer, seeing as you are one of us:p

[Eomer Dinmention]

Yes that is fine with me thankyou

[¤-Elessar-¤]

I, Elessar, on the council of Dengen-Goroth, hereby claim the lands formerly known as Enedwaith. These lands extend from the Isen, north to the Galanduin, west to the sea and the Greyflood, and east to the mountains (see map below) I am building 3 cities, one at both north and south were the north-south road enters/exits my kingdom. Thalionost also rests on this road, in Thalionost I also reside in the Halls of Ruin ( Halls of the red flame). The only pre-kingdom city in my kingdom is Lond Daer, and it will remain in the new Kingdom. The Kingdom shall be called Arandor. I do hope that this draws no conflict with the Kingdoms of Rohan, Gondor, and Arnor, who are my neibors. €

[Eomer Dinmention]

that is fine with me as long you don't take any land of mine

[Ciryaher]

Ahh, I see what lands you are claiming. Disregard my question about your lands being elsewhere; and refer to my post in the Court for my opinion.

[Eternal Phoenix]

For those who are unaware, I am king of the Independent Feodality of Narylis. Where is it, you might ask? It's a moderately sized island in The Great Sea, quite some distance from the mainland. It is an island shrouded in secrecy and intrigue, for it is invisible to all who are not already on the island or practically shipwrecked on the foggy reef surrounding it. Few people live there, as most who leave behind the peace of this island never find their way back.

[Dengen-Goroth]

Now under my immediate control are the Brown Lands and Rhun(That's right, including the sea of Rhun). Anyone with anything to say, PM me, but know this, the easternlings have approved and welcomed my arrival, and what of the Brown Lands, none want them! I draw the line of my northern reaches at the point where Carnen and Celduin merge and flow into the Sea of Rhun, and then a diaganol(i know, spelling) line to the center of the East Bight in Mikwood, giving me dominion of Dol Goldor, which has been that of Sauron's for ages. I end at the edge of the forest, and then the line may be drawn south to incompase the Brown lands.

[LugniGrond]

Right i Claim the Land of Lindon and appoint myself lord unless it has already been claimed

[¤-Elessar-¤]

no, dengen, all of GREENWOOD belongs to Pontifex, and everything saurons isnt yours.

[Dengen-Goroth]

I have been granted this by Ciryaher, and ny who contests, we may settle in battle. I only take the southernmost tip. I have morethen sauron with his bumbling antics ever gained.

[LugniGrond]

well no one has said that Lindon has already been claimed so i take iam the Lord of lindon Now

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Yay for you, dont agrivate Ciryaher though, he has a bit of a temper problem. I hereby recognize Lindon as a country ruled by Lord LugniGrond! May it survive in these times of strife and prosper.

[Ciryaher]

Elessar, could you convert that map to JPEG? For some reason the bitmap won't load...

BTW, Elessar, Lugnigrond is my Governor, he looks over the land of Lindon for me, as does Aerin look over the land of Rhudaur for me. Mithrandir used to rule of Cardolan for me, but he relenquished his title once tensions rose.

[Aredhel]

What about Rivendell? There must still be elves with no lord or lady, here in the Fourth Age of this world. If it is not taken, then I will claim it, so that there may still be elves, and that it will remain the Last Homely House east of the Sea and West of the Misty Mountains. There is still need of a place where we may offer rest from weariness, hmmm?

[¤-Elessar-¤]

yes, it is open, unless Ciryaher has claimed all of the sacred elven lands of old. There should still be some grey elves there, but the Noldor passed over the sea long ago...

[¤-Elessar-¤]

K, here is the Jpeg

[Aredhel]

Thank-you. I will keep Rivendell going*bows her head in respect*

[Ciryaher]

Ahh, I actually did claim Rivendell...if you wish to govern it, PM me and I cand work out the details.

Elessar, I believe that you overlooked the city of Tharbad on your map, I believe it is a bit further (about a sixth of the way) down the Greyflood.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

no, alas, I have no mapmaking skills. Tharbad was a city on the north south road. And the north south road can only cross one place on the border!

[Ciryaher]

Sorry, Elessar! I just found out that Minas-Forn was Tharbad renamed :D Did you say that on this thread? My apologies if you did.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

no, I assumed that you had seen the map and had common sense ;)

[Ciryaher]

Hehe, silly me! :D I might have realized it, had I looked at the map further, but you know how things are when you are busy ;)

[Kit Baggins]

Who does the Shire belong to? I don't want anyone to fight over it :mad: - I had enough of that during the last rebellion.

~Kit :p

[Ciryaher]

The Shire is part of Arnor, but the Thain and Mayors 'rule' over it for the most part.