Wanted: Dwarf-lords

[Snaga]

There are a number of positions vacant for lordship of dwarf-cities in the Govt Council / war type RPG. Please see the following thread.

Please let me know if you want such a position...:)

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11014

[The_Swordmaster]

Thank you Snaga or telling us that.

Ok well we must decide if the guild will like to claim some land. Well this is very rare for land to be out just for claiming. So i say we get some while we can.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I would have been glad to fulfill this position, but being a member of the OV restricts me from doing so. I would encourage members from the Guild of Dwarves to look into this offer, as it will prove to be very interesting in the up and coming war.

[The_Swordmaster]

Yes it will that why I want other members to claim the land. So Maybe then we can have a kingdom in the guild. Dain am I right but do you own part of Rohan. Or is that not decided yet.

[YayGollum]

Oh, Ick! I read that evil thing and you gots to leave those evil dudes! I hate that the Dwarves ever had anything to do with them. Dwarves are the race that resist the dominion of evil more than any other. Argh! oh well. Whatever you decide. *sniff*

[The_Swordmaster]

Well Yay i am going to ask for independence after I get controll of it.

[YayGollum]

I would hope so. *beams as if he persuaded the The_Swordmaster person to do that* :rolleyes:

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

The region in question is indeed neutral. No fears there.

[Aulë]

I would glady take on a major role representing this Guild in the War.

[Snaga]

Good. I'm glad there is interest. This is the main reason for doing this. I wanted to get some new involvement in the War/Council type thing.

I daresay some of the DL will think I am doing a bad thing (or should that be a good thing?!;) ) by letting the lands go.

I'll let you know exactly what I decide shortly. I'd rather this was some kind of cool storyline rather than a bizarre act of generosity on the part of the evil Snaga! I have some ideas however!;)

[krash8765]

i dont understand whats going on but im interested

[YayGollum]

These people are talking about the government council RPG section. Having to do with big and scary war RPGs. This snaga1 person is asking if any of us are interested in playing some character for ruling different little areas of Middle Earth populated by Dwarves. Did I explain enough? I have no idea.

[Joehunt]

:confused: :confused: :confused:
Do any of yall have any info. about Gimli son of Gloin?
:p If yall do E-mail it to
drumminbear@cox.net
Thanks :D
:cool: Joehunt:confused:

[Ruveriel]

sure i am interested too.

[Snaga]

Krash and Liv: you need to create RP characters, and develop them a bit and get them involved in your guild and so on.

Aule for example has a character called Chokang who is getting appointed as Lord of Belegost.

Both Aule and Dain, and prolly Swordmaster too I am sure would be happy to give you some pointers in the bewildering world of rp-ing at TTF. Its good fun once you get to understand whats going on.

Both of you are quite new around here. I'd only appoint you if I knew for definite you were going to stick around. So get involved and stuff, and I'll bear you in mind.:)

[The_Swordmaster]

Both of you are quite new around here. I'd only appoint you if I knew for definite you were going to stick around. So get involved and stuff, and I'll bear you in mind.

Well snaga if you talking about me there what else should I get involved in. I do belive I am involved in alot things in TTF. Well I am still somewhat new here so I'll try to prove that I will stay here.

[Aulë]

He was talking about Krash and Liv.
I believe that you will be accepted, Swordmaster. Just keep up the good work in Heren Istarion.
As you are a Guildmaster, you are a pretty safe bet of staying around, so you need not worry about that.

[Snaga]

That's right Swordmaster. There is no problem. I'm coming to your appointment quite soon.:)

[The_Swordmaster]

I was feeling left out for a while. Thank you Snaga.

[Ruveriel]

ok. so what should i do so i can get accepted snaga? besides making a RP character?

[Aulë]

The best way would be to join Heren Istarion, and prove your skills.

[YayGollum]

Ick. Nasssty Heren Istarion. I'm thinking of not capitalizing it anymore. :eek: :rolleyes: Whatever happened to people getting RPG type experience in RPGs? Getting taught a certain way to do it is creepy. Looks like brainwashing to me. Only people who don't feel like being original would ask someone to teach them the right way to play an RPG. Whoops! *hides*

[Snaga]

Hehe... I sympathise Yay!

Basically Liv, you get the position by being known to be a good RP-er who's going to stick around and add something to the RP. Nothing against you, but it does seem that sometimes people get given a position and then disappear and then we have the problem of whether they are coming back or not! So I want to avoid that.

Heren Istarion gives people help and training in how to RP, but as Yay says, you can also learn by participating in other RPs. There are lots in the Serious RP Forum that would love an extra participant. Some are better than others... ask around!:)

[Ruveriel]

ahhhh but you forget. plus i am SHOCKED at you Yay!! i am in three RPs. two are with Yay. and i swear to god that i will not get a job then dissappear. i don't really get Heren Istarion. i went there once but it didn't work out. i no how to do RPGs. i understand it and everything:) so i think i could handle this. just tell me what i need to do and i will do it:)

[YayGollum]

What shocking thing did I do? :confused: Anyways, Yay for people that could care less about the superly creepy heren istarion! :D Also, I'm thinking that they won't let you be in charge of any little country over here unless they happen to know that you'd do a good job. I guess they're still watching you closely to find out. :rolleyes:

[Ruveriel]

ok they can watch all that they want to. but i am not going to that place!! it takes too long. i am a good RPer if i do say so myself.

[YayGollum]

Okay, okay, okay. I wasn't suggesting for you to go to that creepy guild. But then, it probably won't be around here much longer. Yay!

[The_Swordmaster]

Your right Yay HI is leaving TTF. It is going to ME RPG.

[Snaga]

Liv, I'm not in Heren Istarion. They don't like evil orcs like me for some reason that baffles me. So I don't care. I'll check out your posts and profile and stuff and let you know. Just a bit busy right now but it won't be more than a few days. Not much is happening in the rp right now anyhow.:)

[Ruveriel]

ok. i understand that your busy. i'll just wait till you tell me.

[Snaga]

OK Liv, I can't give you the post and the reason is this: you post in exactly the way isn't ok in Govt Councils RP.

Style 1: Barahir sheathed his sword grimly, and said to the elf-maiden, "I may be but a mortal man, but I have seen evil enough that my short years have brought me enough wisdom to judge friend from foe."

Style 2: *sheaths sword* Barahir--> elf-maiden 'Yeah I'm human but I still no whos on my side, ok?'

You'll probably think I'm being all elitist and stuff, but I can't give a position to anyone whose posts are more like the 2nd style than the first. Sorry. I'd be jumped on from all sides if I did.

The second style is great for the 'just for fun' type RPs, but in others people are trying to develop their writing skills and so on. Its a different thing. Some people will get high and mighty about saying one's better than the other. I'll settle for them just being different.

[YayGollum]

Oo! Yes, that's bringing up something that's superly achingly evil to me. I joined the evil little Dwarf Darrow thingy in that little heren istarion place just because I felt sorry for the Dain person not getting any interest. They said that I had to post little sentences like in a book and couldn't use the little asterisks anymore. They said that you're only allowed to use the little asterisks in lighthearted RPGs. I didn't notice much seriousness going on in the crazy little classes for brainwashing, but anyways, I've seen plenty of people posting in serious RPGs that way. Noone rants at them for being the worst writers of all time. You can write well while using little asterisks instead of sentences. It is possible. Maybe I'm just an evil person for thinking of the role playing Games as games. I'm trying to be straightforward so someone can easily post after me. Sure, I don't have all kinds of fun with writing down beautiful descriptions of every little thing. I'm more for the strength of the originality of the personality of the superly cool character I'm playing. :D I hear that I'm fun to RPG with. *hides* Oh. Or should it be ---> YayGollum conceals himself in an unspecified location?

[Snaga]

Yeah, like I said Yay, each to his own. As long as you know whats expected in the RP and everyone sticks to it, there's no problem.

You want your arrows and asterisks, no problem: there are plenty of RPs where that's ok. You seem to be having fun with it, so what's the problem? Do you have to whinge cos in some RPs we want sentences? Its simple: don't post in those ones if you don't like how its done.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Yea! What he said! :D

With that being said, Heren Istarion really is a good place to learn how to RP in the more serious RPGs (primarilly the war ones). HI (Heren Istarion) is going through a lot of changes now, and we are being much more liberal as to what you can or cannot do. I have pushed for the acceptance of all races, and I feel it will be allowed sooner or later. Despite Yay's disapproval, the guild is a great place to learn how to do it the way it has been done in TTF, and I can make special care to make sure you dont lose your originality. If you decide to join and have problems, let me know and I will see what I can do.

[Ruveriel]

ok so i will go to HI. and learn how to be very very detailed and post later so you can see some of my work. ok? so basically dont use - - those or >>>> those right?

[YayGollum]

Ummm...crazy snaga1 person? There is a problem. I haven't heard why sentences are better than asterisks for actions yet. When I first ran into RPGs, I just copied what other people were doing. Noone hates the way they post. Plenty of people have used the little asterisks in serious RPGs. Why should I not be allowed in certain games? Why are people evil? Why do fools fall in love? Why are there evil little rules for how you should write in certain places? just wondering. sorry for confusion.

Anyways, Ick. Look at this quote from the Dain person. --->

Despite Yay's disapproval, the guild is a great place to learn how to do it the way it has been done in TTF, and I can make special care to make sure you dont lose your originality. If you decide to join and have problems, let me know and I will see what I can do.

The way it has been done in TTF? Oh, Ick! I already explained that I just copied other people that noone hates nowadays. It seems to me to be that you're just talking about certain little people you happen to like. Or how you'd like TTF to be brainwashed to act. You can make special care to make sure we don't lose originality? Ick again. I wan't allowed to post in your little heren istarion place with the asterisks. I don't get the big deal. Noone has been able to explain it. Also, let you know and you'll see what you can do? Have you not been paying attention?

[Snaga]

Considering you 'just copied what everyone else did' you are pretty keen to call anyone who wants to do it any other way 'brainwashing'. Or their creepy or evil. That's pretty irritating. What you really mean is that everyone else should bend over backwards to accomodate you. I don't agree.

Sentences are:
(1) Better to read
(2) Capable of conveying more meaning

We all came to TTF because we loved Lord of the Rings cos it was a great story well-written. OK, so now plenty of us want to RP in that style. Noone's going to force you to do so. There are lots of RPs in which you can *thwack the crazy evil dudes* all you like. But don't try to make every RP like that.:rolleyes:

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Whatever Yay, go Ick yourself. There is no brainwashing here, we are just trying to get the RPGs in a serious tone, and action stars and nassssty hobbittsesss and crazy evil Dwarf persons are NOT in serious tone, nor are they in good and correct format in the English language.

Coming from a Frenchman, I think it should be easier for others to recognize this ;)

[YayGollum]

Woah! Yikes! Have I offended either of you people? Or are you just trying to be offensive to me for no good reason. sorry if I offended you. Wasn't trying to. just wondering about a few things.

Anyways, I don't see how me showing up and copying what other people are doing equals them brainwashing me. Noone told me how to do it. I copied people because I thought that's how it was supposed to be done all the time. sorry about that. I'm hoping you can see how people teaching new RPGers to post a certain way seems more like brainwashing to me than new RPGers just showing up and copying whatever they first see. Maybe not. oh well. sorry about that. Not trying to be irritating.

If I really meant that everyone should bend over backwards to accomadate me, I'd have said that. I'm not so evil that I wouldn't say something like that. Noone would have to bend over backwards. Am I a crazy person for thinking that telling people to post a certain way takes more energy than just letting them post however they want? just wondering. Sure, I can understand people PMing the type that aren't good at writing at all, but I still haven't seen why asterisks instead of sentences are bad. I think I asked that question before. Is there no good answer? just wondering.

Those little 1) and 2) things are crazy. 1. Better for who to read? just you? It seems to me to be that the little asterisk way of writing is accepted everywhere. 2. Am I crazy for thinking that it is possible to say everything just as meaningfully without superly well constructed sentences? I don't think so. It's been done before.

Anyways, yes, people are forcing me to write with sentences. The RPGs you're talking about are the kinds I like to play in. I'm not into the lighthearted things. I'm into tossing my own brand of writing into what I happen to think are the better stories. You're saying that I'm not allowed to do that anymore. *sniff* Like I said, it takes less energy to just let everyone write in their own way. You can say the exact same things either way.

What's all of this supposed to mean, Dain person? ---> 'action stars and nassssty hobbittsesss and crazy evil Dwarf persons are NOT in serious tone, nor are they in good and correct format in the English language.' Have I said things like that in serious RPGs? Or are you talking about other people? I have no idea. oh well.

I'm guessing you're from France?
:confused:

[Snaga]

What a lot of sentences you just wrote Yay!:D

Heren Istarion only trains people to post in sentences for the War/Govt councils type RP. That's WHY it was set up!

Clearly the little asterisk thingys ARENT accepted everywhere! And clearly its NOT just me that thinks sentences make for a better RP. I would go as far as to say posts written in sentences are almost always better. Why? Cos the asterisks lead to laziness. The dialogue COULD be as good, but everything else suffers.

Anyway, my opinion on this is that whoever starts up the RP can set whatever standard they like. If they allow asterisks, that's their choice. But if someone else doesnt want to allow that, I think that's their perogative too.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I sure am from France! :D

But anyways, by 'actions stars, nasty hobbitsss, and evil Dwarf persons' I was referring to your common dialect. It does not follow basic English rules that we have all learned in English class. I was thinking about quoting you and correcting your grammar mistakes, but that would not be fair. It is how you wish to do it and that's fine because its what is fun for you. But in the War RPGs there is a different format; and it is customary to use proper English format as we are all speaking here. Even if we were doing this in French, your RPing technique is just not acceptable. It may have good content as Snaga said, but it crappy. In the war RPGs, we prefer as a GROUP to have all of the posts in the same format, but I guess you have something else to say about that. I guess we're superficial for only looking on the outside or something. Well, I guess that's true then!;)

[YayGollum]

Got it. Doesn't look like I'm getting anywhere with you people. You don't feel like answering questions. You must not have read any of my posts in serious RPGs. I hope you understand what I'm talking about when I say that it's sad for me to see that I won't be able to join most new RPGs now. just because I'm too stubborn for my own good and everyone else just seems a little too restrictive. Does this mean that I'll have to hand the vale of Anduin to someone else?

[Snaga]

As I have said on many occasions, there is nothing that says EVERY rp has to be written with sentences. You don't seem to be listening. Perhaps that's why you don't notice that your questions have been answered. Or perhaps you disagree. That's bound to happen sometimes....

If you find that there aren't enough that are written with asterisks that you like you could

(a) Start one that suits you more. OR

(b) Write in complete sentences in one where its required.

You are clearly capable of writing sentences. I'd go so far as to say you seem quite good at it. Why you would find the basic rules of the English language 'restrictive' is beyond me. If you want to make such an issue of it as to not want to run the Vale of Anduin then that's your choice. But it seems to me like you never liked that RP much anyway... you seem to always say its boring.

[YayGollum]

I never thought that every one of these new RPGs only allowed sentences. I know those little a) and b) things already. I'm just ranting about the few RPGs that won't allow the little asterisks.

I've asked questions like ---> 1. Have I offended either of you people? 2. Or are you just trying to be offensive to me for no good reason? 3. Am I a crazy person for thinking that telling people to post a certain way takes more energy than just letting them post however they want? 4. Am I crazy for thinking that it is possible to say everything just as meaningfully without superly well constructed sentences?

Anyways, yes, I know that I can write good sentences. I just don't see why asterisks are evil. oh well. That has to do with my fourth question. I don't think that the English language is especially restrictive. I don't know why you'd think that. just wondering why... well, there's my fourth question again. Whoops!

Also, sure, I don't get why people like having all kinds of responsibility with being in charge of some little country and tossing it into wars, but oh well. I'm not asking these questions just for me. I'm trying to help other people that might ever wonder the same things and have fun with these little war things at the same time.

[Snaga]

OK lets try those questions:

(1) You didnt offend me but I did get a bit annoyed. I'm over that tho. Don't worry about it.:)

(2) I'm not trying to be offensive at all. I'm trying to support the concept of writing in complete sentences and say why I think its ok to insist on it in some rps. Sorry if I seemed offensive.

(3) You are not wrong that it takes more energy to insist people to post in complete sentences. But the question is, is it energy that's worth expending? My answer: yes! Because it improves the quality of the rp IMO. BTW... if you make the rule at the outset of the RP it doesnt take much policing cos everyone knows whats expected.:)

(4) I find that although in theory it might be possible for people to express just as much meaning without full sentences in practice it rarely happens. Just by using a short-hand, people are encourage to short-cut their posts. Less is said, or is said less well. I'm surprised you can't see this. And if the English language isnt difficult to use, or restrictive why should we use it? Maybe I'm a snob for wanting things done well? Oh well.:rolleyes:

[Scatha]

Allow me to jump into this discussion, for it coincides with what we are trying to teach at HI. YayGollum, no offense is meant by what I am about to say, but please read it with an open mind.

1) Most people have learned to write in common english, but seem to have forgotten to use it. To new players that do not share this as their native language, they tend to take over the shorthand, instead of trying to improve the original language.

2) Allowing shorthand and other abbreviations, they will start using netspeak, etc. From there on things will become an even greater nightmare, especially for those that strive to improve the quality of gameplay.

3) I have seen people on these boards make posts in RP's, that are one-liners and those were even misspelled. The leaders of this Guild, spent numerous posts in HI to improve their skills in RP, not in the least part to start to play in the WarRP's, but they also serve as an example for their community.

4) Leading a territory, which you are and thus eligable to play in these WarRP's, also puts you in an exemplary role. By your example, the rest of your denizens will follow. According to the rules layed out in the WarRP's, your example would disallow them to play in them, which in turn would be a waste.

You are capable of making well-written posts, so why not do so and be an example for those that follow in your wake?

[YayGollum]

Yikes! The snaga1 person --->

1. Got it. Yay!

2. Oh. Okay. sorry for being offended by some of the things you and that Dain person were saying. :rolleyes:

3. Got it. Wondered why you people couldn't answer that before.

4. Got it. I guess I was thinking only about myself that time. Looks like you're agreeing with this Scatha person with that example thing. Now why couldn't people tell me these things before? When I'm flattered, it makes all kinds of differences. I'm supposed to be a good example to people. I thought I was just around to make people laugh. Silly me.

The Scatha person ---> No, I wasn't offended by you. You were able to act civil. Thanks. I'll try to start using sentences all the time now. Even though it's easier and more fun to do it the old way. I just hate getting into things like ---> This character says, "Something or other!" That character inquires, "This or that?" Know what I mean? Ick. oh well. I'll deal with it. What did you mean by me being charge of one of those little areas of Middle Earth and having denizens?

[Snaga]

Sorry if I was obnoxious Yay. I'm a grouchy horrible orc... its nothing personal.

I'm sure you will deal with it... I have every confidence in your capabilities!;)

I think Scatha meant that as King of the Beornings or whatever, Truor has custody of the Vale of Anduin and its residents.

Finally... you do make people laugh but they also take note of how you conduct yourself. 3000+ posts makes you a role-model. Hehe... I bet that will scare you!:D

[YayGollum]

Got it. Yes. I can deal with your obnoxiousness. :rolleyes: Anyways, yes, I thought about that thing where I'm that king thing, but I don't think it really works since I'm the only Beorning. oh well. Also, yes, I am afraid of being a role model, but am superly happy with trying my best at it. *hides* Anything else we can do with this thread now? :rolleyes:

[The_Swordmaster]

Well the purpose of this thread was to find four dwarf lords and snaga found two. Me and Aule. So I guess he is still looking for more people to take these positions.

[Angoreth]

Well I would be willing to fill in a position, if I would be allowed?

[The_Swordmaster]

Only snaga1 can decide that. But I can give you a few pointers of how to get appointed. First you need a well made profile. Also you need a place to show your RPing experience to snaga1. I think that you will do alright in that catagorey since I have seen your HI posts and they are good. You also would want to read all of the posts in the Chronicals of Ea. Its still fairly short.

[Angoreth]

O.k., well if he wants to check out my rping, I would say go to:
The search.... in the mithril knights guild thats where some of my best rping is done senc I play Gandalf the white, and where would I post my profile and would I have to be a dwarf I dont mind.

[The_Swordmaster]

Well for looking at the title of this thread I would think that it has to be a dwarf. But then I don't know. Well you should post all of your profiles in the Guild of Dwarves Profile thread.

[Snaga]

I'll check out your posts and come back to you Angoreth.:) Can you PM me when you have your profile done too? Thanks!

[Angoreth]

Alright, I have posted my profile.