How outcasted are we?

[BlackCaptain]

This is just so we know where we stand here in TTF, and how popular we are. Not to downsize anyones famousness at all.
Heres how it works:

On a scale from 1-10, 1 being a newbey, 10 being very respectable members like Ancalagon, HLGStrider, Beorn, or Glorfindell that everyone knows, we poll on how popular or well known we are in the forum. If you want to know where you stand, and if you are even an outcast or not, just ask here and the people will vote on how famous you are.

So how famous am I?

[Lossengondiel]

I really haven't seen you around where I tend to post, and since I really don't talk/converse with you, I'm gonna give you a 6.

C'mon now, I'm dying to know, what about me????

[YayGollum]

Huh. Thanks, dude. This is different. Let me see here. I know all of the people you mentioned except for the one called Glorfindell. oh well. Maybe he's just in a section I don't go to. I would say that you are maybe a three or four, BlackCaptain person since I only know of you in one or two places. sorry about that. This Lossengondiel person would be about the same since I've only seen her here. I know what number I would be. :D

[Lossengondiel]

And what would that be ? :D

[YayGollum]

*waits for someone else to say it* Oh, come on! Everyone knows me! Well, maybe not lighthearted RPG and Bag End and movie forum people.

[BlackCaptain]

10 for yaygollum! Conciense of the TF!

Perhaps Im not getting such high scores because not many people come into this forum... I hope...

Losengondiel i think ive only seen you once so far in this forumm... haha.. .where do you post?

[Ice Man]

Few outcasts are more incast than I.

[Lossengondiel]

Originally posted by BlackCaptain
Losengondiel i think ive only seen you once so far in this forumm... haha.. .where do you post?

I tend to wander around, but I do spend a great deal of time here (GOO), lighthearted rpgs forum, green dragon inn forum, bag end and stuff and bother forums ( sometimes )

[Wonko The Sane]

What about me?! :D

[YayGollum]

*crosses arms and looks aloof* A nine. :rolleyes:

[Kailita]

Ack. This is in terms of the whole Forum, and not just GOO, right? Okies...well...

Yayish, you're definitely up there...probably a ten. Everybody knows you. :rolleyes: Same with you, Wonks. Ten. :p

Lossen, I see you much in GOO...but not much in other places. Then again, I don't travel out of GOO too much myself, heh. :rolleyes: So I don't really know...maybe a seven.

*Doesn't think she is very well-known in the Forum, having only been here about two months...is quite an outcast...* :rolleyes::D

[YayGollum]

Hmph. I wanted to be the only ten. :rolleyes: Anyways, Yikes! Lossengondiel person, a seven? oh well. Maybe she's more popular than I thought! Anyways, I've only seen you here. So you're probably a two or a three. No offense. You don't have to be here long to get famous. I was making a name for myself with my first few posts. Running around, jumping into the huge debates about Gollum, making all of the superly smart people think I was crazy, making the Gollum Fan Club because they didn't want my craziness messing up their nice little smart type discussions. Very fun!

[Vixen Evenstar]

Don't be evil, Yay.:rolleyes:

Yay for me having about 2! :D

[The-Elf-Herself]

Hmm, dare I ask how popularish I am? I prefer being more outcastish, so I don't post alot. Of course, that also has to deal with the fact that I don't find many posts that I want to reply to.

[YayGollum]

Actually, I'd give this Vixen Evenstar person a four or five. But sure, I'd say that this The_elf_Herself person is about a three.

[Kailita]

*Is a three, perhaps? Or a two? Or maybe even a one!* :D *Is very unpopular...is quite an outcast...* :D

[YayGollum]

I'd give you a two. Maaaybe a three. *hides*

[kohaku]

hmmm i would assume i'm a two or so. i did n't start posting regularly until recently, and even that's not a lot. i recognize everyone here so far, though;)

[YayGollum]

Nah, I'd give you a four. I've seen you around a little more.

[Kailita]

How about a 2 and a half, Yay? *Claps for her 2.5* :D

[YayGollum]

Yes, yes, yes. Whatever you say. I have no real idea. You could be an achingly famous person in one of the sections I could care less about. sorry about that. *hides*

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

All right, this is no fair BlackCaptain. Are you just trying to see how many Outcasts just don't recognize you with your new name? You've only had it for a few days.
I'll give you a 5.

[Nóm]

I believe that the leader of the GOO is as well known as anyone can get. :D

That means you are popular, Yay.

Now what is it that you say about popular people? :D

[YayGollum]

*sniff* No fair. It's not my fault I'm so cool. I'm well known for my many crazy Outcast views. That's not too bad. I'm popular for being superly original and weird, right? For being an evilly stubborn person? *sniff* Poor Smeagol. Popular people are bad. Except some. Is that better? :rolleyes:

[Dragon]

All right, I'm going to try to get everyone who has posted here, but....

Yay-10
Wonks-10
K-ummm.....2.5
T.E.H.-I don't see you mush where I go, so I'll guess a 2
Vixen-1.5
Nom-8
BlackCaptain- does this include when you were morgulking?you get a 5
kohaku-3.5
lossen-????4????
arcanjo-4?

ok, I know I missed someone, who?

what about me?

[YayGollum]

Maybe a two. Whoops! the Nom person an eight? Gasp! oh well.

[Dragon]

cool

nonononononono!!!!!!

[BlackCaptain]

Originally posted by Mindy_O_Lluin
All right, this is no fair BlackCaptain. Are you just trying to see how many Outcasts just don't recognize you with your new name?

No... I was just wondering where I stand in this forum, and I didnt think it would be fair unless I let everybody know also.

[Saucy]

hey guys what about me!(smiles innocently!)

[Kailita]

Originally posted by Dragon


K-ummm.....2.5



2.5!! Yeah! :D:D:D

[BlackCaptain]

Powersauce I give you a 4. Ive seen you around a lot in Bag End, one of my favorite places, and you Avatar of Knuckles is just so freaking cool. CUZ KNUCKLES COULD KICK SONIC'S A$$ ANY DAY!

[Dragon]

I give powersauce a 4 too.

[Wonko The Sane]

Is being a 10 a good thing or a bad thing?!

[Kailita]

Well, it means you're popular. You can take that how you want it. :rolleyes::)

[Wonko The Sane]

Can I still be an Outcast?

[YayGollum]

Ack, lady! I happened to know how popular you are when I let you in. Why would I toss you out now? Anyways, like it says in that little summary type thing for us on the main page, everyone is some kind of Outcast. Even the popular people.

[Wonko The Sane]

You're about a ten yourself you know...

[YayGollum]

Yes, I know that. Not my fault. Well, maybe it is. So? You didn't pay attention to what I just said about being popular and an Outcast at the same time?

[Wonko The Sane]

I did...Just warning you in case you decide to kick me out later. :)

[YayGollum]

Should I know of some reason for kicking you out? I'm watching you, crazy lady! :eek:

[Wonko The Sane]

No reason...just you seem to think me popular.

:rolleyes:

[YayGollum]

I thought it was already proven that you're popular. I'm thinking that there might be some other reason for me to kick you out. :eek: You're acting suspiciously. :eek: Or are you just a crazy person that acts defensive?

[Rhiannon]

*watches, fascinated* Is this a popularity poll? In the Guild of Outcasts?

Well. I haven't been around long enough to give anybody any numbers, but everybody I've met so far rules (especially Wonks and Kailita). Except for that Yay guy. He's just creepy <winka>.

[YayGollum]

This isn't a poll at all. Some guy just showed up and asked how well known everyone was. I think. If it was about popularity, I'm sure that this Wonko person would still be a ten, but I wouldn't. Lots are like you. *sniff* :rolleyes:

[Kailita]

Originally posted by Rhiannon
Well. I haven't been around long enough to give anybody any numbers, but everybody I've met so far rules (especially Wonks and Kailita). Except for that Yay guy. He's just creepy <winka>.
Aww...*blushes*...Rhi, I knew I liked you. :D;) And yeah...Yay is just as creepy as they come. :rolleyes: But if there was such thing as King of the Outcastses, he would be it.

Popularity in GOOers...well...yeah, you gotta be an Outcast in some way, or else you're in denial, even popular people. But Outcastses...true Outcastses, anyway, at least how I see it...don't put any weight on that popularity junk. Blegh.

(Rhiannonishness...is you going to find an avatar soon, now that you've hit the glorious hundred postses...?)

[Wonko The Sane]

I don't care how many people on the forum know who I am.

That doesn't make me popular.

I don't WANT to be popular. I wouldn't know how. :rolleyes:

And yayayayay! Go Rhiannon!

[Rhiannon]

(Rhiannonishness...is you going to find an avatar soon, now that you've hit the glorious hundred postses...?)
<======*points* There it is! Is't not gorgeousness? *likes new avatar very much*

I don't care how many people on the forum know who I am. That doesn't make me popular.

Right- it makes you infamous! Which is good!

[Saucy]

knuckles could kick sonics a$$ any day
How true...yay i'm a 4....wait is that good or bad? bad, would be good...and good would be good too!!! anyways yay.....u r all 10's really tee-hee besides popularity is just dumb has long has u have some friends ur cool...or if u don't have any then ur a genuine outcast...weeeeee! oh yeah happy easter beware of the evil easter bunnI:)

[Wonko The Sane]

Yes! I'm INFAMOUS!!!!

:) Can I be the Infamous Sweater Monkey?

[Rhiannon]

You can! *produces nifty badge reading INFAMOUS SWEATER MONKEY and pins it to Wonks shirt* Ta-da!

[Kailita]

Sweater Monkey...? :confused: Since when does Wonkses wear sweaters...?

*Gasps* Oh, Rhi, the most loveliest avatar! :D Eowyn's the coolest. But I don't feel like I know enough about her to join your thread. Even so, I think she's great, and she's got to be pretty awesome since she's my guy friend's favorite character. And he usually doesn't dig the LotR girls. :)

Popular can equal two different things.
One ---> Being well known. Not necessarily a good or bad thing. Something you can't really help. I guess it's more of a good thing...you have a lot of friends and stuff.
Two ---> The steriotypical popular. Bad thing. Definitely a bad thing. Steriotypical school popular = snobby, preppy, mean, social (*shivers*), puts people down, etc.
Or that's how I see it, anyway. ;)

[Rhiannon]

*Gasps* Oh, Rhi, the most loveliest avatar!

Isn't it lovely? *preens*

Eowyn's the coolest. But I don't feel like I know enough about her to join your thread.

You admire her, yes? So off you go! *prods Kailita in direction of Eowyn thread* If you don't know enough we'll enlighten you, and if we decide you don't need enlightening, we can all sit around and talk about how great she is.

Even so, I think she's great, and she's got to be pretty awesome since she's my guy friend's favorite character. And he usually doesn't dig the LotR girls.

I want to meet this guy.

[YayGollum]

I'm always talking about that number two thing. I hope people know that. *hides* Anyways, what's so great about Eowyn? She's just your average, boring, and typical heroic type.

[Rhiannon]

Yay, I'm going to have to hit you now.

With a stick.

[Annushka]

Yay is calling everyone (except Gollum) average, boring, heroic type:D In some cases you are right, Yay:) But please, go deeper. Evil sam, as you call him, may be all positive. But nobody is that simple. Everybody has something special. Sam, Eowyn as well:) Maybe it`s not something that you appreciate though.

And now, holding my breath I`m asking the question: how outcasted am I?;)

[Kailita]

Originally posted by Rhiannon
I want to meet this guy.
Mm, I should drag him onto the Forum. He doesn't do much on the Internet. Crazy anti-social introvert, he is. But he loves Eowyn. (ACTUALLY...I just realized...Rhiannon, he's that guy I was talking about in the Chatty Stuff and Bother thread...the one who lives on base housing and used to be homeschooled. Do you remember that? Surprisingly, you two have a lot in common.)

Originally posted by Annushka
Yay is calling everyone (except Gollum) average, boring, heroic type
True. :rolleyes: But I still think Rhi should hit him with a stick. :)

As for how outcasted you are, Annushka (I'm tempted to give you some sort of embarrassing name...like Nushy, heh...but I won't ;))...well, I'd say you're pretty outcasted, seeing as you're still a bit new here. Maybe you can be a two and a half like me!

[YayGollum]

If somebody wants to make me appreciate a character, they could start trying anytime. Don't just threaten to hurt me. Anyways, I'd give this Annushka person a two or a three.

[Rhiannon]

Not just threaten to hurt you? So can I hit you with the stick anyway?

Okay, it's like this; Some people (Juliet Marrillier, for one) consider Eowyn to just be the warrior woman archetype (ie Brynhilde), she's more than that- she's a very complex character with several levels, besides being strong and dangerous and utterly cool.

[YayGollum]

Crazy person. That wasn't a very good try. Who's Juliet Marrillier anyways? oh well. Got it. She's not just your average warrior woman. No big deal. I see nothing that says she's not your average heroic type. What's so unique and cool about her? Or do you just like her because she's just so achingly admirable? *gags*

[Rhiannon]

WITH A STICK, YAY!

Juliet Marrillier is an Australian fantasy writer; she wrote the excellent Sevenwaters Trilogy and the recent Wolfskin (no, you wouldn't like them).

[YayGollum]

I am not afraid of sticks that only exist in other people's imaginations. sorry about that. Anyways, got it. Australian fantasy person. I've never heard of her. oh well. You still need to answer my questions about the boring Eowyn person.

[Rhiannon]

:rolleyes:

She is unique because while on the surface she fits the archetype (a lot of Tolkien characters do) she's really much too complex to fit in to a mold; despite being a minor character she has depth and a complicated psyche, and besides which she's been my favorite literary character since I was six years old. She kicks nazgul butt. (and she is way cooler than slimy green crazy things).

[YayGollum]

Ack! Explain to me. I am a very stupid person. Tell me what's so cool about her particular depth and complicated psyche. It's not like she's any cooler than Gollum. :eek:

[Annushka]

It`s so interesting to follow your debate:);) I wonder how will it end.

[Rhiannon]

YayGollum, I really don't know how to explain it any furthur. It's kind of like opera- you either get it or you don't.

[YayGollum]

Oh. Okay. I guess that's how it ends. So sad. I wish so much to understand! :rolleyes: *gags* Ick. She's the exact same character as Aragorn and Faramir and all of those boring elves from The Sil. *runs away*

[Wonko The Sane]

She is NOT the same as those characters.

She did what Aragorn and the other men and elves could not.

She killed the king of the Nazgul. That's something!

And what's more, she had the whole "unrequited love thing" that makes her kick so much butt.

So many heroines always get the guy but that's not realistic.
She loved Aragorn and she was slighted.

True she got Faramir in the end, but the point is he is a non-traditional heroine.

And I love her. *hugs self*

[YayGollum]

She's exactly the same as the other heroic type characters. If one of those other dudes was a lady, they'd have had just as much of a chance of killing that WitchKing dude as she did. I don't care if she's a lady. Any of those other characters would have had all kinds of fun with killing that WitchKing dude. All kinds of ---> "Oh, I am selfless and I must save the world from this evil person!" type thoughts. Ick. Anyways, unrequited love happens all the time. It's nothing original. I don't see why superly sad people like her are any cooler than the others. She's a very traditional heroine. Exactly like any other classical type hero. Boring and selfless and courageous and sickeningly pure. *gags*

[Rhiannon]

All kinds of ---> "Oh, I am selfless and I must save the world from this evil person!" type thoughts. Ick. Anyways, unrequited love happens all the time. It's nothing original. I don't see why superly sad people like her are any cooler than the others. She's a very traditional heroine. Exactly like any other classical type hero. Boring and selfless and courageous and sickeningly pure. *gags*

*buuuzzzz* Wrong! She wasn't being selfless and trying to save the world; she was out to freaking get herself killed. See, Eowyn has got this edge. She's so totally different from all the other hero/ines, and that's why; heros tend to be strong, silent, wise types, or wild and dangerous and slightly crazy types, but Eowyn is cold. By the time we get to Pelennor (my favorite battle ever), she doesn't care. And that's what makes her meeting with Faramir so wonderful- he draws her back. And the unrequited love isn't her driving point- it's not what motivates her. It works as a catalyst, yes, because it takes away what she viewed as her last hope of escape, but she isn't out to kill herself because Aragorn didn't love her. And she isn't boring, and she isn't selfless- in fact, many people say she's selfish because she was supposed to stay behind and guard Rohan and therefore abandoned her duty- and she wasn't pure. She was flawed. She was gloriously flawed and that is why we relate to her, that is what is different about her, and that is why she is beyond cool and utterly admirable.


Originally posted by Wonko The Sane
She is NOT the same as those characters.

She did what Aragorn and the other men and elves could not.

She killed the king of the Nazgul. That's something!

And what's more, she had the whole "unrequited love thing" that makes her kick so much butt.

So many heroines always get the guy but that's not realistic.
She loved Aragorn and she was slighted.

True she got Faramir in the end, but the point is he is a non-traditional heroine.

And I love her. *hugs self*

Ahem, Wonks dear, must object; she didn't love-love Aragorn, not in a true romantic sense- not as a man. She loved him as a king and as a way out of the cage she felt her self to be in, which isn't the kind of love you can base a relationship on, even apart from the whole Arwen thing. He realized this, which is why he distanced himself from her (I was soo ticked off about this being horribly mis-portrayed in the movie). Mind you, I'm biased because I've been head over heels for Faramir ever since I was seven years old, but Eowyn didn't 'settle' for him; he wasn't the second choice- he was the one that she really loved, once she allowed herself to realize it.

[Wonko The Sane]

No I agree completely, Rhia! :)
I don't think that Eowyn's love for Aragorn was true love. Otherwise getting with Faramir wouldn't have been as sweet! ;)

I just said that to save a whole big long discussion of it. ;) Oh well.

I thought saying it that way would be ok since I kind of just take it for granted that peopel understand the dynamic of WHY Eowyn was attracted to Aragorn. ;)

[Rhiannon]

Originally posted by Wonko The Sane
No I agree completely, Rhia! :)
I don't think that Eowyn's love for Aragorn was true love. Otherwise getting with Faramir wouldn't have been as sweet! ;)

I just said that to save a whole big long discussion of it. ;) Oh well.

I thought saying it that way would be ok since I kind of just take it for granted that peopel understand the dynamic of WHY Eowyn was attracted to Aragorn. ;)

Oh good, I was hoping that was what you meant, but you can never be too sure *has dealt with some pro-Aragorn/Eowyn people recently* I was mostly rambling for YayGollum's benefit, seeing as how he doesn't know anything about the dynamics of Eowyn....

[Wonko The Sane]

Noo! Ick! Aragorn and Eowyn wouldn't have worked at all.
She DID want him though, and he rejected her, and I identify with that.
But she wanted him for the wrong reasons.
Besides, Faramir and Eowyn are perfect together. :)

[Rhiannon]

Soooooo perfect...*sigh*

[Wonko The Sane]

We need to have a party and stuff and just be all us and dreamy about Eowyn and Faramir. :) *sigh*

:) They're great cos they're strong, and they never had it so easy like Arwen and Aragorn. ;)

(Don't start talking about the trials Arwen and Aragorn had. I don't want to hear it. Let me bask in my denial for a moment.)

[Rhiannon]

Yeah!

That's actually sort of the plan for the Great Tolkien Themed Pillow Road Trip. But in the meantime we can sit around and eat Kettle Corn and swoon about Eowyn and Faramir :D

[Wonko The Sane]

Good plan!

Kelttle corn is THE BEST!!!

And where is this Tolkien Themed Pillow Road Trip headed?
And will you ACTUALLY take it on the road?

*Shines knuckles on lapels as she raises the microphone to Rhiannon's face.*

Everyone admires me because I ask the really TOUGH questions
*she says to the camera.*

;) j/k

[Rhiannon]

The Tolkien Themed Pillow Road Trip is, at the moment, a semi-fictional event; some kind of road trip will eventually happen, after the wyrd sisters (that's me and Lomelinde and Angel-who-hasn't-registered-here-yet) turn 18 (the idea being we're adults and don't need permission to go meet internet friends, which my very dull parents are leery of). It probably won't happen just then- may be a few years- but a road trip will happen, and will hopefully include several internet people, like Tal and your lovely self. Yeah, the reality sounds a bit dull.

The fictionalized ideal is that we get our hands on a 15-passenger van or an RV or something, which we will line with lots and lots of books, and set out, gathering people as we go, singing oldies songs, showering in truck stops, washing our clothes in sinks, and such like, while filming a documentary and writing a book(s) about our experiences and the quirky little towns and things we will no doubt encounter. We will eat dirt, get good milage on enthusiasm, and read a lot. The final destination is Nevada City, CA (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/04/06/PK155218.DTL) , which has been described as the 'Hay-on-Wye of California', and since we can't get to Wales, CA will have to do.

[Wonko The Sane]

Sounds good to me!!!! :) But I'm in Seattle...that sounds like it's the last leg of your trip...

Also...I may be in England by then. :(

I could fly out and just wait somehwere for the road trip crew to pick me up. :D

[YayGollum]

I'm ready for the road trip anytime, crazy person. Anyways, Yay for another person that's been able to make me think! You should have been the one to play Eowyn in that real world thing.

[Kailita]

What funness! Maybe you can come see me, too! I live in Cali! :D Although...not sure how close I live to the Sierra Nevada foothills/Nevada City...hmm...I live in SoCal by the coast...

*Doesn't think her mother would approve anyway...crackers...will work around that...* :)

[Saucy]

awww.i am in nowhereville canada...so i guess i can't come:(

[Rhiannon]

Wonks, we'll just have to have a second, Europe road-trip! Then we can go to the real Hay-on-Wye!

Anyways, Yay for another person that's been able to make me think! You should have been the one to play Eowyn in that real world thing.

Yay, was that a compliment? Always glad to be thought provoking! (though usually it's thoughts like 'oh god, what is she doing now?'). I wasn't around for the start of the real world thing, or I would have volunteered myself (read: groveled). But oh well.

Kailita, we well come to you! My parents don't *ahem* entirely approve of the meeting-internet-people thing either, which is why I have to be 18 for the road trip to take place. And powersauce, I live in Nowhereville, Oklahoma, which is worse.

[Saucy]

my parents think internet friends are evil too!?
but its no worse then having pen pals...besides they see all this stuff on the news about girls getting kidnapped by internet boyfirends and they freak out:rolleyes:

[YayGollum]

Yes, it was a compliment, crazy lady. It happens every now and then. *gasp!* Can't think of too many other people that get to change my mind about something. Anyways, doobedoobedoo... *waits for someone else to come up and ask what number they are*

[Rhiannon]

Yes, it was a compliment, crazy lady. It happens every now and then. *gasp!* Can't think of too many other people that get to change my mind about something.

Aaaaaw *blush*

Have I been around long enough for a number?

[YayGollum]

Didn't I already toss one at you? oh well. Maybe not. Anyways, I don't know how many people know you, but I'd give you a three or a four. *hides*

[Kailita]

Yay! *Is counted in on the road trip* :D Rhian, you're 17 right now, yes? So when you turn 18, depending on when your birthday is, I'll be 16 or so...maybe my parents will relent...:rolleyes:

"Oooooooooklahoma, where the wind comes sweeping down the plain..." Oh crackers. It could be worse, Rhi. It could be...Texas. *Cringes and shivers* All my known relatives live in Texas...blegh...horrible place...*shudder*...

[Rhiannon]

No, I didn't already get hit with a number. Woo-hoo, a four! Pretty good for someone who's been here less than two months.

*thwaps Kailita with pillow* Shame on you! Everyone knows Texas is the greatest state in the union! *launches in to off-key but enthusiastic rendition of 'The Yellow Rose of Texas*

And, a warning to all and sundry: do not, I repeat, do not sing...that song. Or any other songs from...that musical. *shudder* I was in the musical for four months before we moved here and the production was one nightmare after another- the only thing that didn't happen was our director going in to labor, and we were all convinced it was going to- and I absolutely hate hate hate hate all the songs, but the title song in particular, especially the soprano descant. Evil evil evil.

[Kailita]

*Is thwapped with pillow...goes reeling backwards...*

*Blinks and takes a moment to get her bearings. That done, she plunges right into the disparagement of Texas.*

I hate it. Flat. Dry. Either unbearingly hot or unbearingly cold. And the accents...ugh, don't even get me started on the accents...
The only good thing I can say about Texas is that it has some beautiful clouds. But that's it!

Sounds like Rhiannonishness has had some bad experiences with certain plays of a southwestern origin. Don't worry. We won't go there. ;)

[Rhiannon]

Rogers & Hammerstein are going to DIE!

*beats Kaia about head and shoulders with couch cushion* Hush it, you! Okay, it's a wee bit flat. And most of it's dry. And it gets pretty hot. Also pretty cold. But I have heard much worse accents (Oklahoma, ick), AND Texas is where all my kin-folk are, so just you watch it! *wraps self in Texas flag and commences with hollering 'Remember the Alamo!' at top of lungs*

[Kailita]

Ack, Rhian...my mom would like you. She's always going on with the "Remember the Alamo" jazz...:rolleyes:

My kin-folk are in Texas, too. Every single last one of them. :rolleyes: I love them. But they are true Texans. Everything's got to be big and loud. And competitive, too. I just don't fit in that sort of setting. :rolleyes:

*Discommences Texas bashing for the moment*

[Rhiannon]

Texas has a great and noble history worthy of respect. I'll leave it at that. *Air Force brat full of righteous state pride*

[Dragon]

humph try living in texas! evrything is true that both of you said (does that make sense?) except that not everyone has accents, in fast, only the people that live out in the country, or are really old have accents..... I dont....well, I do.....but.....everyone has an accent of some sort...but what I mean is, I dont have a distinguishable-to-an-american (excluding new-yorkers) accent

and yes, lovely clouds down here...

if you are in oklahoma, and I am in texas, that means you are close to me and I could go one your road trip!!! except that I am 13 and in fact ALL parents are unliking of their daughters meeting internet peoples...

[Kailita]

*Huggles D* It's okay...I love you even if you live in Texas. :rolleyes:

Hey D, you might live near some of my relatives! I have cousins in Dallas, Fort Worth, Huntsville, and Mesquite.

[Dragon]

yes, per'aps I do..... but I'm too paranoid to tell which city I live in, so.......

*is huggled*

eeeee!

[Rhiannon]

I have family in Dallas/Fort Worth, Waco, some obscure little town in the middle of nowhere, and just over the border in NM.

[HobbitGirl]

Hm...Texas...never been there, except for one time when I drove through on a road trip. Kai's right; it is very flat. I find flatness to be dreary. :rolleyes: I've heard Kai's ranting on this Texas thing before...I met your cousins, Kai, and none of them had horrid accents. Your mom has an accent, though. I like her accent; it's all cute and happy and stuff. :D

As for the Great Roadtrip Thingy, I miiight be able to be visited by you, but I probably can't come with. :( I live in Utah, so I'd be on the way. Utah=BLECH! Well, the Salt Lake Valley is BLECH anyway, except for the mountains. I like southern Utah; there's nothing there but incredibly awsome national parks. :D

I wonder...what number would I be? I'm a very Guild-y and RPG-y person, but I hardly ever pop over to Bag End and Stuff & Bother and the like, with the exception of my spiffy inn, the Dancing Pumpkin. :D

[YayGollum]

Well, I'd probably give you a six. Maybe. *hides*

[Dragon]

Dancing pumpkin! WHERE?!?!?!?

*looks around desperately 4 the dancing pumpkin*

[Kailita]

Hehehe...the Dancing Pumpkin Inn!

Eeeyada eeeyada...*sings DPI theme song...* :D

It's a section in The Green Dragon Inn. Very nice establishment. You should come down and check it out! ;)

[Dragon]

hmmm....yes, per-aps, per-aps....pppish posh pppppppish, ppppposh......

where did that come from, I wonder?

[Wonko The Sane]

Rhian, I can't decide if my body pillow should be Glorfindel or Feanor...

*sigh*

[HobbitGirl]

Body pillow? Maybe I don't want to know...;) :rolleyes:

Dragon, there is a link to the inn in my siggy. It's the orange one.

[Wonko The Sane]

Um...a body pillow is a pillow about 5 foot long...and it's good for cuddling and it gives support if you have back pain. :)

[Dragon]

a body pillow is a substitute for a body:D ;) ;) ;)

ok, HG, I'm going once I finish posting here:)

[Rhiannon]

Body pillows = v. good for sleeping with, esp. when you sleep on your side. Wonks, I don't know either! Maybe you need two?

[HobbitGirl]

<feels very stupid now>:o :o :o

They have pillows with Glorfindel and Feanor on them? Where???

[YayGollum]

Nope. They're just talking about naming pillows. Insane. oh well. We aren't talking about how Outcasted we are anymore? :eek:

[Wonko The Sane]

I think my current body pillow will be Glorfindel. :)
My next one will be Feanor.
I DO need two. :)
YAY.

That way there's one for me and one for Snaga! :) We can cuddle them when the other's away...and since they're really good for dragging to the couch for curling up and watching movies, we'll have two! :) And when we've got kids, they can use them for pillow forts! :)

[YayGollum]

I'll take that as a no. oh well. I'm in an evil college place now, so I have a different type of how Outcasted I am rant. People here are sickeningly nice. Maybe I'm just being evil, but oh well. Why can't they just leave people alone? I sit in an uninhabited corner of the cafeteria for a reason. To be away from people. Someone always comes over and invites me to their table full of normal people. Ick. They say that I look lonely and sad and things. That's just my neutral face. You know the face that everyone has when their muscles are relaxed? I've seen stranger ones. oh well. Sickening.

[Wonko The Sane]

You ARE being evil! They're just trying to be nice.
You should learn to be nice back!

[Annushka]

That's the thing! Why would someone have to be nice just out of somekind of obligation! I'm a coward - I can't be not nice to people who are nice to me even if those people drive me crazy:(

Yay, I would wanna see your relaxed neutral face:D

And I wanna say another NORMAL thing - maybe you'll find a friend? It wouldn't be all bad, right?

[YayGollum]

Yes, I know that I'm being evil. There's just something wrong with me. I gots to be original in every way that I can. Normal people are just too sickeningly boring. Even that's an evil thought, isn't it? oh well. Why be afraid of not being nice? I'm civil, just not ---> "Oh, Yay! Someone's interrupting my inner dialogue just so I can sit with them and listen to whatever boring topics the sickening normal types like to talk about! I am so grateful!" :rolleyes: Ick. That's a good thing to avoid.

The relaxed and neutral face isn't especially interesting. I don't think I've seen it, but everyone is concerned for some reason. I look too depressed or something. oh well. Some people's relaxed faces are scary.

Anyways, no, nothing's wrong with finding friends. I already have over here. None of them have invited me over to their evil tables just to talk about boring and normal and popular type topics.

[Arebeth]

I've got problems with being nice, too. I'm nice with some people I find interesting, even fascinating (rare), and sometimes they're gits... I can't help. But most of the time I don't have this kind of problem because normal people are not nice with me either. I tried to get into the crowd, once -I was thirteen- , to be nice with everybody and stop thinking myself different, and they just kicked me out. And, it's probably my fault -I suppose I'll never know- but I had too much difficulties accepting that to be nice with them. One day maybe... And, strangely, I have even more friends since I think like that (more than none, anyway).

[Wonko The Sane]

I'm just saying that I understand that "normal" people can be boring, and insipid...all my friends at college were "normal" and I hated it so much I left...
But being nice can be a benefit...and eventually you'll need to interact with these people, whether through interaction at work, or in public, etc...and it's just good not to think yourself too superior that you can't learn to get along with them.

[YayGollum]

Yay for the Arebeth person! Making all kinds of sense! Yes, this evil college place is strange to me. I'm used to just being ignored or despised or something. People being nice to me when I'm just trying to be neutral? Ick. No. Stay away! oh well.

Anyways, Wonko The Sane person, I'm not being evil. I'm being neutral. I wrote that I just hide in a corner and think to myself. Nothing's evil about that. When they're evil to me by being nice, :confused: :rolleyes: I'm civil. I don't appreciate it, but I don't rant at them or anything. Yikes!

[Wonko The Sane]

But it's not EVIL to be nice to you!
It might be a nuisance to be bothered...and you don't have to appreciate the bother.
But you should appreciate that they want to make you feel welcome and invite you to be with them. :)

Anyway, I know what you mean...thinking back to my first year at college I realise I did the same thing you did. They had an "upper" level to the dining hall that nobody ate at (except at dinner when it was really crowded) so I sat up there and tried not to be bothered. I'd read and daydream and talk to myself in my head and stuff. It drove me nuts when people would come and talk to me. But still...I appreciated their being nice...
Yeah...

[YayGollum]

Got it. No, I'm just too evil and bothered in the first place to appreciate the niceness. The fact that they talk about boring and unoriginal and popular type things doesn't help. Not a huge deal, though. just tossing things around.

[Wonko The Sane]

I know how much it sucks when people don't wanna talk about anything interesting.
Mind you I'm not suggesting you actually go and sit with them! No way! :)
But they're being nice IS something to appreciate...
Even if it is annoying. ;)

[YayGollum]

Got it. I'm not so stupid that I don't understand what's to be appreciated. I'm just evil and stubborn enough to ignore than in favor of focusing on the bad things. :rolleyes:

[Wonko The Sane]

:) Well just so long as you know. You can focus on the bad things all you want.
Lord knows I'm doing it atm. :)

[Dragon]

the other day I was talking about my friends (all of which go to another school) and my dad asked me what I do at lunch, I said "I eat, then I do my homework" and he said "well, how is that helping you make friends?"

this not only made me angry, it confuzzled me very much, bc my dad always tells me that he only has one friend, my mom, and that he doesn't need any more than that. y would he, of all ppl, say something like that to me? :mad: :confused: :mad: :confused: :mad: :confused:

[Niirewen]

Hmm. I don't know, Dragon. Maybe you could ask him? Try not to let it bother you too much though, as long as you're not having a problem with it.
I also sit by myself at lunch, because I have a later lunch that none of my friends have. But I dont mind.. it's nice to just be by myself for awhile or catch up on some homework.:D

[Kailita]

Originally posted by Arebeth
I've got problems with being nice, too. I'm nice with some people I find interesting, even fascinating (rare), and sometimes they're gits... I can't help. But most of the time I don't have this kind of problem because normal people are not nice with me either. I tried to get into the crowd, once -I was thirteen- , to be nice with everybody and stop thinking myself different, and they just kicked me out. And, it's probably my fault -I suppose I'll never know- but I had too much difficulties accepting that to be nice with them. One day maybe... And, strangely, I have even more friends since I think like that (more than none, anyway).
Oh Arebeth...*boils*! I hate people like that...oh, I could just kick them all! I've been through that too, though I wasn't really trying to fit in in the first place. It was mostly in Jr. High...I just got so sick of people trying to change me and then shooting me disgusted looks and being completely horrible when they found out that they couldn't. It's funny...in Jr. High everyone wants to be the same, in highschool everyone wants to be different. In Jr. High cool people were mean to me, in highschool they just look right through me. I can't decide which is worse...it doesn't feel great to be treated like the Invisible Woman constantly. But if you've got people to stick it out with you, it's not so bad. "Normal" people are boring anyway...and "cool" people are just lost in a trap and a lie that will someday catch up with them.

D, if you like what you do at lunch, then don't worry about it. Think about all the free time you'll have at home to do whatever you want after you've gotten all that homework out of the way! :) Niirewen has probably already figured that out. All my friends and I do at lunch is joke, throw food, and play endless rounds of cards - Egyptian Rat Slap, BS, Hearts, Scat, Kemps, Speed, you name it, we play it. And some people just don't understand how we can do that day after day and still enjoy it. But we have fun, and that's all that matters. :)

[Dragon]

BS!!!

:( now I miss my old school... we used 2 play that all the time, that and blackjack, and the teacher would come and ask if we were betting, and we'd b like "no, we are placing mancala beads in the middle of the table, and they are mysteriously appearing back in out little piles":D

[Annushka]

My Dad is the best person in the world!! But once he said something I can't forget until now:D I was 13 and madly in love with a guy who was 3 years older and completely unaware of my existence. My parents know all about it. So one time during dinner my Dad said something really nice - Dear, when I was 16 I never even looked at younger girls!!!! I was hurt.

Anyway, what I wanna say is our parents don't mean anything bad! They just have forgotten what it feels to be 13,16,20,22. And the girls are right! Do whatever you feel like doing! You know the best what's right for you!!!

[Arebeth]

My parents never did anything like that... And D, they are all right. I've done that for a while, hanging out alone at lunch, and then I finally found someone who was doing the same thing. She's one of my best friends now (given that I don't really have a lot of friends, it's easy to be one of the best...Anyway) Well, she's even more insane than I am, but she's not boring. Not at all. And she knows how to open a book.
The school knows my name. I'm in a lot of things, tv games for the school and everything. Much people hate me, but really I prefer being hated then being ignored. The good part is, since I don't care, they gave up making fun of me. I've been through bad times but it's "all over now".
I had always been told "don't think you're superior" if you don't want to be an asocial. That's a lie. Look to some social people and see if they don't think they're superior. It's even the greatest lie I've ever heard -with the Amélie Nothomb's quote: "No love is impossible". (I will never forgive her for making me believe that). Worse to learn you were wrong when you have actually believed it was true.

[Niirewen]

All my friends and I do at lunch is joke, throw food, and play endless rounds of cards - Egyptian Rat Slap, BS, Hearts, Scat, Kemps, Speed, you name it, we play it.
Egyptian Rat Slap!! I love that game!:) Me and my friends used to play it every day during gym.. hehe:D We used to get in trouble for playing it in Home Ec because our teacher said it made the room sound like a casino..

[Kailita]

Originally posted by Arebeth
Look to some social people and see if they don't think they're superior.
I know!! Honestly, if people say that we think we're better than everyone else (:rolleyes: give me a break...) because we're anti-social, they need to take a look at all the social people who look down their nose at us every single day. Anti-social people - at my school at least - are the people who have accepted that everyone else is way more into the popularity, social-ladder thing than they are and have just given up trying to be "cooler" than they are. They're okay with themselves and who they are. Maybe that's why other people say that we're full of ourselves - because we don't have to scurry towards the next trend like everyone else.

[Dragon]

we're only full of ourselves bc we aren't stuffed up full of everyone else:rolleyes:

[Niirewen]

I hate when people who I hardly even know come to sit with me at lunch when I'm by myself just because they think I'm lonely. Why can't I be perfectly content eating lunch by myself? I know they're just being nice, but still..
Oh well, maybe I'm just being mean. I don't know, I just felt like sharing that.

[Arebeth]

I know. Strangely enough, they start worrying about you when you're just trying to read a book or something (I gave up the idea of writing at school, it's definitely impossible) or when you simply want to be on your own for some reason, but when you would like to stop thinking for a while and have fun or whatever, there's nobody anymore. I never understood that.
At the moment I've been almost nice with everybody for months. Well, tried to be. It's really strange. They talk to me, some say hello, but it's still like I came from another world. You know, the guy is saying "all the girls are silly/ugly/something else in this class" and then not even a "don't feel concerned". No! I'm not a girl maybe, I don't know. They tell me I'm beautiful for a play or on tv, but nobody has ever asked me out. They keep talking (to me) about the-disco-we-are-all-going-to-on saturday, but nobody ever suggested me to come. I've never been in a disco in my life (not that I miss it, though...). If I ask, they say "oh we thought you weren't interested in those kinds of things". I hate it when people guess what you might say. Well, I suppose it's an excuse anyway. They are all conviced that because I have good results I study for hours every day, so I have no time to do anything else, but I hardly study 20 minutes a day. And if I say it, they won't believe me.You know, it's not that I want to do ll this stuff, I just would like to know what they see me as another kind of human being, or not a human being, maybe, an alien or... I've really done my best to try and understand them, now I suppose I'll give up. But I'd like to know what's my problem because I'm.. so cold.. I'm not as strong as they think. Or as you all seem to be around here. You are all so proud and so strong and... I accept myself now. I don't want to be like them; I want to feel I can be appreciated too. That's all. I want to be seen in another way. I've waited. I'd like to know how it's like to be human. For once. I'm just cold.

Wow. As my French teachers always say, I write dramatic novels even when it's not necessary. I'm afraid I'm some kind of dramatic person. Should try being lighter, I suppose. Maybe it's that?

[Annushka]

I love your posts. They are so emotional and honest:)

I can't speak for the others, but I'm not that strong or anything. I think that it's easier to be strong when you're surrounded by people like you - Outcasts:D One Outcast is not strong, but 15 Outcasts are:D

[Arebeth]

Originally posted by Annushka
I love your posts. They are so emotional and honest:)
One Outcast is not strong, but 15 Outcasts are:D

Thank you. I think that actually I'm a little too much emotional, but thank you anyway. And I'm sure you're right. I love this place. I've said things that for some reasons even my friends don't know (it doesn't seem especially a great idea, but although writing is useful, I sometimes need to speak to people who can answer me. Paper doesn't speak back, unfortunately...). And I... Well.. It must get better...

[YayGollum]

Yay for reading or writing or hiding in a corner while at school and watching the sickeningly normal types look at you as if you are crazy! It's mind-boggling. I do not understand them. I feel bad about thinking of myself as superior, but only every now and then. I feel sorry for them. They have said that they never talk to themselves or think to themselves. They have no idea why anyone would want to read for fun. When they go to bed, they have their heads on their pillows for five seconds before they fall asleep. Do they not think? Are the only thoughts that come out of them the ones that spill out of their mouths? How can I not feel sorry for these people? But then, they seem to be blissfully ignorant. oh well. I just ignore them.

[Dragon]

humma? you don't like reading, yay?

hmmmmm

gah....... It's impossible not to think b4 I go 2 sleep.... how could I not? I dunno how some ppl get to be so empty-headed, but it's disturbing

[Wonko The Sane]

:) I LOVE reading...especially before I go to bed.

It's one of the best ways to wind down! :)

[Niirewen]

Me too.. I always read before I go to bed.:)

[YayGollum]

Sure, I like to read. Why not? Ack! Evil people getting confused by what I write about other people!

[ely]

... go together like... errr... like two things that go together really well. I love reading. I adore reading. I used to read too much. Now I just don't have time to read... and yeah, this place is also one thing that has come between me and books.

At summer I always read in bed unless I'm too tired which I'm usually not. If the book isn't THAT interesting (LOTR spoiled me) I also listen to music at the same time (LOTR & TTT soundtracks). And if the book is interesting I find it awfully hard to put it aside and go to sleep. The result would be me reading till 6 am - and that happened with a non-Tolkien book that I had already read before. I'm addicted to books. I remember when I read LOTR - it was school time, which meant I had to get up 6 am, and go to bed 10-11 pm, which of course didn't happen. :p

[YayGollum]

Yes. Very sad. I used to read achingly late into the night. Now I am mostly only able to read during the boring classes at this evil college place. I can't read at night now unless it's during the commercials of good television showses.

[Saucy]

:( aww feel so bad 4 u:D i can read whenever i want..i just open the book...the thing is finding time to do it;)

[Rhiannon]

I love to read. It has always been the one thing I can do, and do really well. And I don't just read, I'm obsessed with books. Books as objects. I love books, especially used books (I rarely buy new books anymore, unless I happen to favor the author and want them to get more money), and I love to touch books, and I love to crawl around on the floor in the book store so that I can get a good look at the bottom shelves and I like to put books in piles and sort through them and stack them and agonize over which one which one, and stroke and fondle and and call them my preciouses because they are and....

Yes, I go a bit berserk. I'm insanely picky about how my shelves are organized and which books are next to each other. There's a complicated heirarchy involved.

[Annushka]

Old books are very very special, but I just love the smell of brand new ones. When you open them for the 1st time they make this incredible noise (or should I say voice? Am confused). Anyway, now I read mostly books devoted to my profession. They're moslt in Russian and English. Which is good cause I've no choice, but to read in English.

Being thoughtless is probably very convinient. No troubles, no worries! :rolleyes:

[Kailita]

Noise is the right word, Shushy. :) And I know what you mean...I love the new book smell, and the crack that the book's spine makes when you open it for the first time, and the crisp clean pages...

[Annushka]

Thanks Kaili! Noise would make much more sense. Inanimate objects don't have voices, do they?

[Kailita]

Hehe, no, only people. ;)

[Rhiannon]

Inanimate objects that hang around me tend to become sentient after a while.

I do love new books too. There are certain books I collect (books by Patricia McKillip in hardback with dustcovers by Kinuko Y Craft, for instance...anything by Robin McKinley in any shape or form...the fairy tale anthologies edited by Terri Windling and Ellen Datlow in trade paper...), but I'm all right with buying like-new used books, or remaindered books.

But I love used books because they already have an established personality, the page have already be softened by touching, and because they suit my budget ;)