The First Picture of Sauron in the World!

[Gandalf White]

Heheheh, your puns always manage to crack me up MD! :D :)

As usual interesting, but rather conflicting thoughts. That "picture of Sauron" doesn't look half-bad though, although I seriously doubt it has anything to do with LotR.

Thanks for the site though.

[Michel Delving]

It's nice to be depreciated.

And don't worry, fiends, this thread will go on and on and on ...

...just like Rose's Heart...

[Aulë]

Hmmm....I wonder what sort of crazy scheme Michel is coming up with right now...
btw, I'm still awaiting that picture of Shelob. It shouldn't be too hard to get ahold of: since you have that speccy telepathic link going with PJ.:rolleyes:

[Gandalf White]

Yes, yes, yes, a picture of Shelob please!!! :D We've seen her web, Frodo looking at her, Sam running, but give us a picture of her herself!

[Michel Delving]

Shelob, Shelob, Shelob that's all you young people ever think about, morning noon and night. Is it too big? Is it too small? Will PJ do this? Will PJ do that? With never a thought for Shelob's poor mother, in the Autumn years of her life... Well if that's how you feel, go ahead, be crucified, see if I care...

More theorem's than you can shake a steven at...

After the Last Battle of the First Age there were some Balrogs left that escaped the wrath and destruction of the Valar. The exact number of original Balrogs is not known. Those who survived managed to escape as Tolkien describes:
"The Balrogs were destroyed, save some few that fled and hid themselves in caverns inaccessible at the roots of the earth..." (Silmarillion)
We also have the following letter that specifically discusses the Balrog of Moria:
"The Balrog is a survivor from the Silmarillion and the legends of the First Age. So is Shelob. The Balrogs, of whom the whips were the chief weapons, were primeval spirits of destroying fire, chief servants of the primeval Dark Power of the First Age. They were supposed to have been all destroyed in the overthrow of Thangorodrim, his fortress in the North. But it is here found (there is usually a hang-over especially of evil from one age to another) that one had escaped and taken refuge under the mountains of Hithaeglin (the Misty Mountains). It is observable that only the Elf knows what the thing is - and doubtless Gandalf." (Letter #144)
Some people have questioned whether Gandalf knew what this thing was and only the Elf, Legolas, recognized the Balrog. The above letter clearly shows Gandalf did know what it was; whereas the encounter on the stair was behind a door and Gandalf could not see his opponent.

Gimli, however, only knows it as "Durin's Bane". He does not know that a Balrog is an evil spirit left over from the First Age and a servant of Morgoth.

Tolkien has left open the possibility of more Balrogs still buried deep and waiting to be awakened.

it be from:
CLICK ME FRUITY! (http://tolkien.cro.net/)

[Michel Delving]

Not Only But Always ...

The Balrogs were originally the servants of Morgoth in the First Age, of whom, Sauron was also his servant. The Balrogs and Sauron were all Maiar and somewhat coeval; it is not debatable whether a Balrog would recognize Sauron as successor and serve him willingly.

If one considers the chronology of events in the Third Age then a certain "relationship" or understanding becomes evident. The Balrog was awakened by the Dwarves in the year 1980. The Dwarves then fled Moria in the year 1981. The Tale of Years falls silent regarding Moria until the year 2480, when Sauron starts to populate Moria with his creatures, namely the orcs. From this point on, up to the year of the War of the Ring in 3018 there is a cohabitation of the Balrog and the orcs for 538 years!

Certainly Sauron knew of the existence of the Balrog (especially at the point when his orcs entered Moria), and the Balrog seems to have tolerated the presence of Sauron's orcs. Yet I do not believe that Sauron could not have controlled or commanded the Balrog. Sauron would have had the ability to dominate a will as strong as a Balrog.

As such, the Balrog acted just as he did in the story: in accordance with a "common evil" against "good". Gandalf, like the Balrog, was a Maiar, but aligned with the Valar(good), who were the eternal enemies of Morgoth(evil). Since the Balrogs were the chief servants of Morgoth it naturally follows that the Balrog of Moria would have attacked Gandalf. Not only that, but the Fellowship had entered/invaded Moria, and they were armed. This too would naturally lead to a confrontation.

Sauron could have commanded the Balrog to say attack Lorien or fight against Minas Tirith. The main powers of a Balrog are against armies of lesser enemies, or in breaking castle walls, and against other powerful opponents like Wizards or Elf-lords. Originally Tolkien envisaged the Balrog's return during the various battles of The War of the Ring, an idea later put aside but rekindled by Peter Jackson in his Lord of the Rings movie Trilogy (particularly the upcoming Return of the King).

[Aulë]

You're changing the topic, Michel...

Where's this pic of Shelob???
We're waiting...

[Celebthôl]

He doesnt have one, hed blag it up and stick on a picture of his pet garden spider and then act like he doesnt know whats happening :mad:

[Michel Delving]

I never said I had a picture. The topic is Sauron. I am on topic. Your picture requests are predated and on file. If you're requesting as a challenge then I not going to rise to the date. This is serious stuff, you know! :D

As for Celebathôil, she's in a huff cos Gandalf Right called her some pasty names.

And I always know what's going on. :confused:

[Celebthôl]

OMG AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! someone hit him with a 2 by 4 PLEASE!! :mad:

[Aulë]

Maybe there won't be a Shelob?
Maybe PJ ran out of money and had to get Sauron to play her role.
And since Gollum had already referred to the spider as a 'she', PJ will have Sauron dress up in drag, and use pink ribbons as spider webs...

[Michel Delving]

Yessssss:( :confused: :( call the men with white throats....

Anyways oop, you will remember I said I had a telekinetic link to PJ and not a telepathic one..so sometimes The Skullfax dosnee come up tramps...

But just got this on the Michel Delving Palantir (it's in a box 'neath my bed you know, but don't tell anyone...shhh!)

[Gandalf White]

As for Celebathôil, she's in a huff cos Gandalf Right called her some pasty names. Lol! Now that's just wrong, MD! :D :eek:

I fail to follow what your points about the Balrogs were, but oh well.... :rolleyes:

As to Shelob, I would like a still photo from RotK. I expect nothing less from you. ;)

[Michel Delving]

Some great stuff from my Palantir re RotK:

Denethor will make his first appearance in the TTT extended DVD!

Ghan-Buri-Ghan has been cut from RotK!

Mumakil and Nazgul King will have center-stage appearances much more spectacular! Who the fell is Mumakil, anyone know? I'm just the receiver remember!

The Witch-King will be played by Lawrence Makoare (Lurtz in Fellowship of the Ring)!

The first cut was 6 hours of material, so a possible 4 hour final film could happen!!

One of the songs featured in RotK’s soundtrack will be sung sung by Liv Tyler and called Arwen's song!

The battle of Minas Tirith will take place in the city not in the fields outside!

As with the battle at Helm’s Deep, the elves from Lothlorien will join forces with men during the battle by the Black Gate of Mordor!

The third film will end as the first started, with a voice over by Galadriel. After the Grey Havens and the death’s of Arwen and Aragorn are shown!

Five death scenes for Saruman have been filmed to foil the rumour mongers until the last minute! Christopher Lee has said that he hopes the ending from the book is used - Scouring is back??

The Palantir is fading....

... I see Balrogs ... Sauron's eye ... and Merry ...

[Michel Delving]

oooh oooh flare up! FIRE IN THE EYE!! FIRE IN THE EYE!!!

The Palantir's HOT HOT HOT Tonight!

RETURN of the KING premiere will be DECEMBER 1st!

16 days early!

CLICK HERE YE DOUBTERS OF DELVING! (http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2495810a10,00.html) :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :D

[Gandalf White]

Sheez, you're really getting under my skin! ;) :eek:

Why am I beginning to believe these....these......fantastical fantasies? :confused:

Oh dear.... :(

[Enig]

Maybe you believe it, because some of the things are well known, and are reported by TORN a long time ago. Some of the things are newer, but they are already posted at TORN.

Michael: Do you actually think people believes what you say? You are only making a fool out of yourself (Or is that the point?).

[Arvedui]

Originally posted by Gandalf White
Sheez, you're really getting under my skin! ;) :eek:

Why am I beginning to believe these....these......fantastical fantasies? :confused:

Oh dear.... :(

And still you keep feeding his ego? Hmmm, oh well.
Good luck!

[Gandalf White]

Originally posted by Arvedui
And still you keep feeding his ego? Hmmm, oh well.
Good luck! Nothing you say, or don't say, will stop feeding his ego! :rolleyes: :eek:

Thanks anyway. :)

[Michel Delving]

Vas is das TORN?

Ne'r heard of the wee nipper, jack. But if they said it they must of being looking into the same seeing stone as me. And I don't think you'll find that picture of Merry smokin' weed in many, if any, other places!

Enid said: Do you actually think people believes what you say?

Well if I didn't who the hurl would? But then again if I believed everything I said I'd forget where I'd been. As for being a fool let me define:
The Fool is the beginning, the starting point. Where one is innocent, naive, eyes wide open. He anticipates only adventure and experience, and has no specific expectations. Before him lies the world, of which he so far knows little.

Gladly I walk this path...

The poets down here don't write nothing at all, they just stand back and let it all be...


A moderator graces us with golden tears...thanke-sai, Arvedui - where's Huey and Louie? I have no ego only an Id.


I'm off to polish my Palantir!

[GuardianRanger]

Originally posted by Michel Delving

The poets down here don't write nothing at all, they just stand back and let it all be...



Springsteen.....very nice!

What Springsteen has to do with this thread, I'll never know.

[Michel Delving]

Broooooooooooce.


let it all be...

[Gandalf White]

I'm sorry MD, your language, mannerisms, vocabulary, etc. have lost me once again....:rolleyes: :(

What is TORN? I know I've heard of it before, but am too tired to think right now.

[ladyoflorien]

TORN is "the one ring.net". don't worry, there are soooooooo many weird acronym thingies out there!!

[Michel Delving]

It actually stands for Tolkien's Old Ronald Name - i.e anything Tolkien related, pre-Undying Lands.

Reully!?!

[Gandalf White]

Sorry MD, that pun went off like M & P's firecracker.....

Where exactly is this thread going at the moment, besides no where? ;)

[Radagast_brown]

Well, they're probably going to show Sauron as a vampire. Because in the story with Beren and Luthien after a fight with the Hound of Valinor he turned into one and flew off.

[Michel Delving]

Welcome Radagast_brown, my Sorcerer's Apprentice, at last!

Come look into my Palantir...;)

[Celebthôl]

Originally posted by Michel Delving
Welcome Radagast_brown, my Sorcerer's Apprentice, at last!

Come look into my Palantir...;)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! dont do it, its a trick!!! you will be subject to total stupidity and weird MD answers :D

LOLOL G_W its going right down the potty :D

[Gandalf White]

Originally posted by Radagast_brown
Well, they're probably going to show Sauron as a vampire. Because in the story with Beren and Luthien after a fight with the Hound of Valinor he turned into one and flew off. Just because it appeared in the Silmarillion doesn't mean PJ's going to put it into RotK. (If he's even read it....)

Welcome to the Forum, Radagast_brown! :) Wow, we now have Gandalf White; Gandalf_White; and a Radagast_brown!

LOLOL G_W its going right down the potty Well, I wouldn't go that far, although it is getting close.

[Michel Delving]

Further on up the Road ...

another insightful vampiristic shalaylee shenanigan ...

I'm growing so attached to my attatchments...

[Aulë]

You know.....That makes Sauron look like a chicken....:rolleyes:

[Helcaraxë]

Michel, you are SOO full of it. First of all, Gandalf's right, thats not a balrog, its a balrock. Secondly, there are no balrogs left in the third age except for the one in moria, and now thats dead also. Third of all, Tolkien described Sauron as tall, dark, royal-looking, imposing, and terrible. An ugly albino orc with a balrock in the backround is about the most unconvincing load of garbage I have ever seen. Period. AND STOP ACTING LIKE A SMART @$$!!!

[GuardianRanger]

....Actually, that last picture looked like the cover of an ASIA album.

[Gandalf28]

It seems to me that there's a face in the side of the mountain (if that is what it is). I'm probably wrong as usual but you can never stop trying.

[Flame of Anor]

Originally posted by Michel Delving
Further on up the Road ...

another insightful vampiristic shalaylee shenanigan ...

I'm growing so attached to my attatchments... never before have i seen anything that looked like that. very disturbing. what kind of twisted mind made that? no offense to anyone. yikes.

You're right Aulë, that does make him look like a chicken. **makes a chicken sound** LOL

-Flame

btw, i have a bad habbit of laughing at myself

[spirit]

Michel Delving is a little mad! And to prove that look at the avatar! they match perfectly well...

Hi everyone! i saw this site today! looks intresting so i would like to join!

[Michel Delving]

KEEERRRAAAZZZZZEEE LLLAAAYYYYDDDDEEEEE Living in a bag!

Morgoth"sBane (shouldn't that be Morgoth's Bane?) called me a Smart (at) (Dollar) (Dollar)!!! and I became so rich as a result that I bought a motion capture studio in New Zealand and Peter Jackson paid me to render the Serkis/Gollum hybrid. That's where I've been all week, capturing Gollum for RotK! I must say it's looking gradely.

Gandalf28
Apprentice joined me in Palantir looking just like Rhea of the Coos (and anyone who licks that reference gets a prize!).


Flame of Anor was a product of my twisted mind and I invented it's existence, to the point of fact that I rode my bike across a flaxen maiden's hair into the Lairbury of Dreams, got the Two Towers Soundtrack f.o.c and Mp3'd the lad up. Krakatoa!

spirit
WITCH likes the X-Men but what they did-nee realize that it is creeping fine toward Orthanc and toward Barad-Dur, in fact so much so that the horrendous marauding Orc like army hades come over the copse and through the trees until their blades do wink across the eyelash that perfect I.

LOCAL HERO, LOCAL HERO SHE SAID WITH A SMILE (http://img-nex.theonering.net/movies/gollum_mtvawards_Modem.mov)

[Michel Delving]

hee hee jee hee, ha ha ha. ha hah :p :p :p back up the top of the mornin' for ya my pretty little thready....

I'm feeling all Barrow-Wightesque locked up in my crumbling tomb, awaiting The Return of the King movie for my resurrection. My scuttling claws are scratching at the dust; very little but light pink glows from the Palantir. It's all gone quiet, like the fog whispering on the Downs outside my cold stone walls...

[Celebthôl]

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just let this thread die PLEASE!!!

[Michel Delving]

Hey, Celebratory Bath Oil!!! :D

Missin U all rarely!

[Michel Delving]

Didn't this thread used to have four stars (whatever they mean) and now only three, ahhhhh:( !

Let's try and get it down to one.

[Flame of Anor]

Woah, you really are out there aren't you, Michel. The more stars the better, that is unless you live in a backwards world.

-Flame

[Celebthôl]

The poor guy lives very backwards :rolleyes:

[Nóm]

Nay, it has three stars because some people don't appreciate it. Personaly I don't see it, and do deem this one of the best reads the movie forum has ever seen. I could praise it until I am blue in the face, but it would do no good. :(

[Beleg]

Nah, this is one of the best threads really in the movie sections, apart from some of the hiliarious brawls!
MD, the local TTF jester!:D

:D

[ladyoflorien]

i enjoy reading the interesting conversations in this forum. thats the only reason why i keep coming here!

[Captain]

If my memory serves, Sauron cannot control the Balrogs. They were mostly destroyed when Ancalagon the Black broke Thangorodrim. The few left fled to dark places in the world.

[Flame of Anor]

Sauron and Balrogs are on the same level, that of Maiar. How can you control a being on the same level as you? Don't you have to be more powerful than they?

[Captain]

Not always. Gothmog controlled the other Balrogs.

[Flame of Anor]

well, then i suppose in that case there must be varying levels within the same level. likewise with the Istari, Galadriel said that Gandalf was the most powerful, but the White Councel chose Saruman instead because they saw him as the most wise or something like that. i am not too familiar with the forming of the White Councel and the coming of the Wizards.

[Grond]

Originally posted by Michel Delving
...I have already described the reason for the Balrogs as they were the main Weapons of Mass Destruction employed by Melkor and Sauron in past battles.... Actually, I find it highly likely that PJ would do what the author does not. By that I mean, PJ will likely try to PORTRAY Sauron rather than simply let the audience visualize him.

I will call you down on your comment there though good Michel Delving. Please point out to me one place in all the works of Tolkien where Balrogs ever serve Sauron after the end of the First Age. None, nada, it ain't there.

Gorthaur the Cruel was powerful enough that he became the Lord of the Werewolves and Vampires. Melkor's handservants were the Balrogs who were headed by Gothmog, Lord of Balrog and Captain of the forces of Thangorodrim. There is no statement in any of the works that ever illustrates them working together or where one served the other. After all, they were both Maiar.

[Nóm]

Sauron and Balrogs are on the same level, that of Maiar. How can you control a being on the same level as you? Don't you have to be more powerful than they?

well, then i suppose in that case there must be varying levels within the same level.

This is true. Tolkien states clearly in HoME X (Morgoth's Ring) that Sauron was more powerful than the balrogs.

'Melkor had corrupted many spirits — some great, as Sauron, or less so, as Balrogs.' From Orcs in Myth's Transformed.

Just following Grond's example. :D

[Grond]

And I must print my own retraction. In HoMe VII, The Treason of Isengard, it is very clear in early drafts that Tolkien did indeed mean for the Balrog to have appeared as a servant of Mordor/Sauron. from HoMe VII, The Treason of Isengard
The strongest evidence for this comes from the original version of the Lothlorien story, where it is at least strongly suggested (being represented as the opinion of the Lord and Lady of Lothlorien) that the Balrog had been sent from Mordor not long since (see further on this question p. 247 and note 11). Moreover, in the texts of the story of the Bridge of Khazad-dum from this time Gimli does not cry out 'Durin's Bane!' This is just one of many sample drafts that actually point to Tolkien, at least, toying with the idea of portraying the Balrog as a servant of Mordor/Sauron. (Darn I hate being wrong.:))

[Michel Delving]

I suppose, in that case face, there must be varying levels and hovels, within the same level and bevel, Balrogs ever serve Sauron ever serve Balrogs; it is very clear in early drafts and gusts, that Tolkien did indeed mean for the Balrog to have appeared as a servant of Mordor/Sauron/Sauron/Mordor.

Do you know Tolkien escaped going over the top in the WW1 trenches by sheer luck and trench fever. Just think we wouldn't exist, in our current state, without the luck of the fatalistic chaos that orders existence.

And Sauron will crawl beneath the bells of the church fire and open up our wings of crow black black crow fishing boat bobbing sea...

CRAWLING CLICK SNAKE (http://www.poets.org/au/dthoma01.ram)

[Voldemort]

After reading this whole discussion, I have to agree with you about the picture of Sauron unmasked. I do not think that the Balrog was put there for PJs amusement, and I think that you can clearly see that it is a Balrog in the picture you made of Sauron changing shapes. The change in color brings out the Balrog. I agree with you on the fact that it is Sauron unmasked, it is a Balrog, but I do not think that we will see a bunch of Balrogs coming in at the Black Gate. I think that one would be really cool, as well as Sauron himself coming forward, but I hope that PJ doesnt do anything like put a dragon (I dont know you really meant that in your previous posts) or have a horde of Balrogs. Still I dont see how anyone can argue that it is a Balrog, just seems to detailed to be a rock.

[Michel Delving]

LIVE, FROM LITTLE HANGLETON - Voldemort! :D :D :D

Come into my spider said the parlour to the fly...

look into my Palantir...

and welcome...

goodbye...

(Return of the King) it is
(Return of the Ring) come on
(Return of the King) oh my God
(You know that I'll be back) here I am
(Return of the Ring) once again
(Return of the King) pump up the world
(Return of the Ring) watch my flow
(You know that I'll be back) here I go





I'm looking for a lover who will come on in and click on me... (http://www.lordoftherings.net/media/desktops/desktop_rotkteaser_1024.jpg)

[Voldemort]

good lord.

[spirit]

Originally posted by Voldemort
good lord.

hi there! you should ignore him! he scares me sometimes! he has a brain broblem or somethink!:confused:

[Michel Delving]

Yeah, spirit, I scared you so much you took my face and made it into your avatar...

I'll creep into your very soul on the next pass; when you least expect it, the Delving Demon will pop up and eat your Spirit Angels...

Or should that be - the Michel Angel will save you from your Spirit Demons...?


hhhmmm...

Only Time will Smell...

[Michel Delving]

STINGY NETTLES! STINGY NETTLES! OUCH!

Rip Torn (http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1057261444)

V.interesting link, but still no sign of you know who...

[Gandalf White]

My, my, still at it oh Great Dellthing? ;) I haven't been around for weeks, but I wasn't surprised to see this thread still up and going....:rolleyes: :)

[Michel Delving]

THIS THREAD IS INFINITE!

[Flame of Anor]

Originally posted by Michel Delving
THIS THREAD IS INFINITE! LOL. that is untill a Mod deletes it. LOL.

[Michel Delving]

Even then, it will live forever in Time's long rain....

[Lúthien Séregon]

LOL! This thread has 21 pages! :eek: Wonder how long it'll go on for...

EDIT: Now 22

[Michel Delving]

foreverandeverandever I'll be...

the one
ring
dot
net

says:
Sauron returns to human form at the climax of the film. Just before the Battle of Morannon commences, he arrives -- looking very similar to how he appeared in the prologue. He stares over the Lords of the West, and his "eyes" meet with Aragorn's. He then (silently) orders his great army to attack with a wave of his mace.

As the battle rages Sauron simply looks on. When Frodo claims the Ring (this will all be intercut for dramatic effect), Sauron turns and peers at Mount Doom. His Nazgul screech off towards the mountain, and for a brief moment his army falls silent.

When the Ring is destroyed we see Sauron die... though how that will appear has yet to be nailed down. There are several versions in the works, and one of them is an exact "duplication" of his explosion during the Prologue.


and this be a corker from that ginger bearded bloke without a mustache:-

Ain't it Cruel (http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=15594)

just like your momma...:p

[Michel Delving]

In the hiatus of dark between worlds that are TTT theatrical and TTT DVD, followed by the long slowmoe hoe down to the TTT EE DVD and finally finally, finally the crowning king snake of Rockin' ROTK, we drink in snippets of the minor Arcana of the Film World's dirty shoes ...

it's not Middle Earth but...

DIVERSION AHEAD...

ONE MILLION WOOKIES WILL BATTLE FOR SUPREMACY (http://www.empireonline.co.uk/news/news.asp?story=4871)

What a site, what a sight, what a thought, Wookies, Wookies, Wookies, Good ol' Chewy, one more reason to stay alive...

[Gandalf White]

Hrm, Michelle, my filter blocked that for some inappropiate content.....

Try posting a clean site next time! ;)

[spirit]

Originally posted by Michel Delving
Yeah, spirit, I scared you so much you took my face and made it into your avatar...

I'll creep into your very soul on the next pass; when you least expect it, the Delving Demon will pop up and eat your Spirit Angels...

Or should that be - the Michel Angel will save you from your Spirit Demons...?


hhhmmm...

Only Time will Smell... 1 word for u!!!

MAD

[Gandalf White]

thank heavens, this thread is dying!

[Celebthôl]

Originally posted by Gandalf White
thank heavens, this thread is dying!

Yad have thoughts so, but every week MD will make some stupid new post that starts it alllllll back up again :rolleyes: :D

[Gandalf White]

sssshhhhh, it has been a week since he last posted!
*keeps fingers crossed*

[spirit]

maybe he is dead.... thats wishing too much tho

[Gandalf White]

Hey! That's not very nice. I like the guy.

*Gandalf officially declares the thread closed, opens the door, ushers everyone out, the shuts it softly behind him*

[king theoden]

Hello to all of you.I looked at that picture and it is just a picture of a orc.Why do you make so much fuss about it.22 pages?

[Celebthôl]

Wasnt us, we were arguing against it, it was MD G_W and I are in an alliance to stop him madness...it isnt easy :( :D

[king theoden]

How did MD saw a balrog?He is nuts.

[Aulë]

Yes, but he entertains us whilst being nuts.
His SW3 'Wookie-fest' is quite plausible.

From StarWars.com Databank

Shaggy giants from an arboreal world, the tall and commanding Wookiee species is an impressive sight to even the most jaded spacer. Despite their fearsome and savage countenance, Wookiees are intelligent, sophisticated, loyal and trusting. Loyalty and bravery are near-sacred tenets in Wookiee society. When peaceful, Wookiees are tender and gentle. Their tempers, however, are short; when angered, Wookiees can fly into a berserker rage and will not stop until the object of their distemper is sufficiently destroyed.

During the time of the Galactic Republic, the Wookiee homeworld of Kashyyyk was represented in the Galactic Senate by a number of Wookiee potentates. This meant little to the unscrupulous Empire that arose to replace that august government. Despite their proven intelligence, Wookiees were enslaved by the Empire and exploited for their brute strength. Their homeworld was blockaded, and a free Wookiee was a rare sight in the galaxy.

Perhaps the best-known free Wookiee was Chewbacca, loyal co-pilot and friend of famed Corellian smuggler Han Solo. Chewbacca was instrumental in the defeat of the Empire, and the eventual liberation of his people.


So the movie could begin with their enslavement, followed by Anakin's downfall, etc etc.


Anyway, back to LotR...:)

[king theoden]

Maybe he should write a book about finding balrogs in everything.

[?The Creator?]

So Sauron is destroyed. But i thought The Maiar cant die. Unless he dies physically and is cast out of Ea just like Melkor? What gives?!

[Aulë]

Sauron is physically destroyed.
But his spirit remains. Although he is too weak to reform into a visable being.
Melkor was physically destroyed, and his spirit cast into the void.

[Flame of Anor]

Originally posted by Aulë
Sauron is physically destroyed.
But his spirit remains. Although he is too weak to reform into a visable being.
Melkor was physically destroyed, and his spirit cast into the void. visible being? don't you mean that he could not take physical shape and that he was stuck as a lidless eye wreathed in flame?

[Michel Delving]

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courtesy of, guess... and avoid the NEW LIne Eye of Sauron, it's his first picture after all...

[Michel Delving]

Let $X$ be a simply connected space and $\Bbbk$ a commutative ring. LORD!

Goodwillie, Burghelea and Fiedorowiscz proved that the Hochschild cohomology of the singular chains on the pointed loop space $HH^{*}S_*(\Omega X)$ is isomorphic to the free loop space cohomology $H^{*}(X^{S^{1}})$. We proved that this isomorphism is compatible with both the cup product on $HH^{*}S_*(\Omega X)$ and on $H^{*}(X^{S^{1}})$. In particular, we explicit the algebra $H^{*}(X^{S^{1}})$ when $X$ is a suspended space, a complex projective space or a finite CW-complex of dimension $p$ such that $\frac {1}{(p-1)!}\in {\Bbbk}$.

[Michel Delving]

ROTK, ROTK, ROTK

where ARE THEE when we need thou mostest?

TTT DVD IS NEARLY ON ME
but not the TTT EE DVD

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!


here''s the final shot from da movie,

bit like Coppola Apocalypse, Sauron's face super-imposed across the left of the screen while Sammy and Frodoboy look on, nonchalantly...

the horror......the horror!

[Lúthien Séregon]

Ummmm....:confused: Sorry, I don't understand any of that last post! :eek:

EDIT: The post before that last one, lol! Same time posting strikes again.

[Michel Delving]

THAT'S COS YER KERAAAAZYYYYYY!

[Khôr’nagan]

Your all crazy, and I'm confuzzled...

[Elendil3119]

Umm, Michel strikes again? ;)

[BlackCaptain]

This thread has taken a bad turn in the direction of a southward headed spiral...:rolleyes: If that made no sense I apologize:D

[Aulë]

*Thwacks Michel on the head with a 2 by 4*
Settle down! ;)

[Michel Delving]

YAZSIR!

Down to two stars on the thread rating scale!

Nearly there!:)

[Lúthien Séregon]

Lol, I'm sure it'll hit one star fairly soon. ;)

[Captain]

Great, he's back. I'm thinking about putting a bounty on Delving's head.:D

[Saxman717]

After dilligently reading this thread all summer, I am finally contributing to it!:D

24 pages.....impressive!

[Flame of Anor]

LOL, i guess there isn't much to contribute to this thread by the looks of saxman's post.

[Saxman717]

I'm sure Mr. Delving can think of something :)

[Gandalf White]

Saxman, the least you could do is tell us whose side you're on....! :D :p ;)

[Saxman717]

Siiiiiide....hhhhhhhhhhhrrrrmmmmmmmm.......I am on nobody's siiiiiiiiiide.....huuummm...hrrrmmm........because nooooobody's on my side...........;)


Although I do find the loony man quite entertaining:D

[Gandalf White]

Originally posted by Saxman717
Siiiiiide....hhhhhhhhhhhrrrrmmmmmmmm.......I am on nobody's siiiiiiiiiide.....huuummm...hrrrmmm........because nooooobody's on my side...........;)


Although I do find the loony man quite entertaining:D

That quote.....sounds so familiar somehow.... ;)

MD's not loony, merely chemically imbalanced in several areas... :D

[Celebthôl]

Originally posted by Gandalf White
MD's not loony, merely chemically imbalanced in several areas... :D

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D:D:D

Its so true :D

[Michel Delving]

My precious thread is being swamped in the Dead Marshes of inanity; time to pop up, back to the top like a bad omen on a coastal road.

Offshore oil drilling is prevalent at this time year, yet the gulls still cry leopards from Edith Tolkien's eyes.

New Users Start Here (http://www.jrrtolkien.org.uk/)

[Gandalf White]

Oh my, MD, you've really outdone yourself this time, where do you come up with this stuff?

(And finally, a legitimate web-site!!!) :D

[Weathergirl2006]

WOW much has been disscussed but has anything really been figured out?? anyway it has been quite interesting....lol One thing i dont quite understand is One person says hes inb the background but someone said he was the 'albino orc" even though i dont think they would put his picture out soo obviously...But wasn't he in the first movie remember when the ring was cut from his finger?

[Michel Delving]

I love my thread, as though it's my own son...

I love to bring him back up, like lunch...

to the top of the page where he belongs and longs for attention from the seekers of Ruth...

Have you seen her?



Weathersgreat2006: you say WOW much has been discussed but has anything really been figured out?? anyway it has been quite interesting....lol One thing i don't quite understand is One person says hes inn the background but someone said he was the 'albino orc" even though i don't think they would put his picture out so obviously...But wasn't he in the first movie remember when the ring was cut from his finger?

and yet you neglect to say: This thread has taken a bad turn in the direction of a southward headed spiral... If that made no sense I apologize

or indeed: Offshore oil drilling is prevalent at this time year, yet the gulls still cry leopards from Edith Tolkien's eyes.

all quite valid points Weathersgreat2006 but you neglect to say to say that when the background came forward it was magnified like a telescopic microscope and if you can't see the Balrog reflected in the tear in Sauron's right eye then even you must agree that Grima had it right?

YES?

[Michel Delving]

I am in Minas Morgul, this tower of sorcery, I cannot escape. I see wraiths, approaching encroaching, touching, scraping the flesh. There is no hope.

'Minas Morgul' was the name given to this city after its capture by the Nazgûl in III 2002. The city itself, though, was much older - as Minas Ithil, it had stood since the late Second Age, and was some 2,100 years old when it was renamed.

I see it's origins and the fall of man.


Sauron whispers and I float down...

[Aulë]

You really are mad? Aren't you?:rolleyes:

RotK is approaching, MD, and I'm expecting an albino orc to be portrayed as Sauron.
Now if there isn't....:mad: You better hope there's one in the EE!;)

[Arvedui]

Is this thread still alive?
I thought somebody had taken it behind the barn and killed it with an axe!;)

*Walks off to find the grind-stone...*

[Michel Delving]

IT'S ALIVE!

I've created a monster from which there is no escape, it will hunt me down like Gollum.

Some scholars have suggested Frankenstein regretted bringin his creature to life. This writer disagrees; Frankenstein held himself guiltless to the very end. There was not a moment of regret for the right reasons.


...was attempting to play God in the creation of the monster...

...the Monster provides an insightful narrative .... a narrative that relates his process of learning about his surroundings, language and human emotion. This narrative provides a significant view of the psychology of human development, underscores the problems of creating life using technology, and substantiates the view of the internal conflicts and misperceptions of the Monster pertinent to the defense of his actions. No additional sources cited.

[Arvedui]

Originally posted by Michel Delving
[B]IT'S ALIVE!

I've created a monster from which there is no escape,
Yes there is: just say goodbye;)

Anyways, you have at least presented some original views on different matters:rolleyes:

[Michel Delving]

I wish I lived in Norway.

[Lord of Ry'leh]

Sauron will show up with a host of Balrogs and dragons...

Then the X-Men will show up with Aragorn and Sephiroth will fly his fighter plane in to help fight Sauron. Midgets will spring from the ground like daisies and Raistlin will charge into the fight and cast Ultima on Sauron, thus saving the day.

Really people...that thing is just a piece of rock, not a balrog. Sauron won't be at the Black Gate.

[Enig]

By Michel Delving: I wish I lived in Norway.

Why? Because of the pre-premiere 15. December?
I could have bought tickets, but it was too expensive.
I don't want to use 515 Norwegian kroner + 200 kroner bus on one screening (Actually I would, but none of my friends wanted :)).That would be about $73 i think.

If you want to buy tickets and can Norwegian and want to pay the whole trip to Norway, Michel, buy the tickets at ticnet.no and search for "Ringenes Herre".

[Gandalf White]

Really people...that thing is just a piece of rock, not a balrog. Sauron won't be at the Black Gate. Actually, Ry'leh, it's pretty logical for Sauron to show up at the Black Gate, considering PJ. But everything else that MD is saying isn't going to happen... :rolleyes:

[Arvedui]

I am afraid that you are makiing a crucial mistake here, GW. You can't have logic and PJ in the same sentence. At least not while discussing his adaption of TLotR.

Enig: How nice to see other norwegians here as well. And I ain't going to that pre-show either!

[Gandalf White]

I am afraid that you are makiing a crucial mistake here, GW. You can't have logic and PJ in the same sentence. At least not while discussing his adaption of TLotR. Hey! :p But Sauron fighting Aragorn is not an adaptation, but an invention, and therefore very logical...

[Lord of Ry'leh]

What I think will happen is...you'll see everyone fighting at the Gate and it will keep cutting from that to Frodo and company up at Mt Doom. Sauron will get frisky and decide to make an appearance at the Black Gate. So we will see Sauron and a host of orcs starting to march towards the battle so he can clean house. Just before he gets there and kills everyone, Gollum and the ring plummet into the depths of Mt Doom, thus destroying Sauron in a very dramatic fashion.

[Arvedui]

What we've seen from PJ so far, it will probably be Arwen that deals Sauron his death-blow:rolleyes:

[Lúthien Séregon]

What we've seen from PJ so far, it will probably be Arwen that deals Sauron his death-blow

LOL! Oh man, could you imagine the audience's reaction if that did happen?! :eek: Lord of the Rings....more like Arwen of the Rings.

Maybe, just as a surprise ending, it'll turn out that Arwen is actually Sauron! :p

[Gandalf White]

Have you two been corrupted by the evil influences of MD??? :eek: ;)

[Arvedui]

Yikes, no!
Eru forbid:eek:
We were just shaking our heads over some of PJ's "inventions."

Hey! It just occured to me that MD might be Peter Jackson himself! From what has been going on in this thread, it makes some sense...:p

[Michel Delving]

Phew, just caught ya, my pretty thready, before you slipped into the obscurity of the Long Lost Second Page!

PJ, Moi?

With my reputation?

Anyway, further evidence is attached; received directly from the synapse glow.

[Valdarmyr]

I'm trying, Michel Delving, I really am...help me out a little...like Doctor Evil says, "Throw me a bone here." Judging from those faces at the bottom, is that the part in TTT when they're in the Dead Marshes and Frodo falls in the water?! But I don't remember seeing a guy with a hat on...and I must have skipped that part in the book where they said people in Middle Earth wear glasses...and I know he's wide-eyed, but he doesn't look like a hobbit to me... :rolleyes:

[Michel Delving]

ee-hee! Shamone! OW! Chichchicchaconey!

KISS MY BAD SELF!

[Gandalf White]

Aha! So that's you in the lower left corner, eh? ;)

[Michel Delving]

I'm in the bottom right corner!

OW!

[Michel Delving]

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Can't you knock a rating star off for that Mrs Moderator?

[Michel Delving]

Sorry, serious discussion of Sauron's nature in the polemical structure of ROOT K. Down to the glow in his Firey eyes the apprentice of Melkor brought forth true evil from Tolkien's brain destroying his Christian beliefs and making him brawl in an Oxford pub with C S Lewis. The Lion The Witch and THe Sallywanger. The clash of the Vikings, Norse Mythology up your Beowulf you pretentious Oxford Don Godfather. If Marlon Brando had met Tolkien would J R R have been in Godfather Part 3? Drunk on Real Ale and screaming obscenities at Al Pacino?

Aragorn/Mortenson take me down the Paths of the Dead...

just for a visit...

ribbit!

[Gandalf White]

*holds head in hands* :eek:

MD, did you take up Towelie's offer? It certainly seems you did, instead of following the example of Stan, Kyle, Eric, and Kenny...;)

I still say your on the bottom left of that picture. A charming photo, I must say. :p

[Michel Delving]

Towelie?

Offer?

Carpet?

Licker?

[Gandalf White]

I take it my statements made as much sense to you as yours do to me....

I was afeared to state Towelie's offer, as it might be viewed offensive by the Mods...

[Valdarmyr]

Whenever we don't hear from MD, I start to get uneasy. It's been well over a day now. It's like the calm before the storm, and you know the storm's gonna come and drive you into a tizzy.

Naw, c'mon, you know we luv ya MD, especially your creative zing when you start riffing...even though you say stuff like Originally posted by Michel Delving LEMON! LEMON! LEMON! LEMON! LEMON! LEMON! LEMON! LEMON!When you should really be saying "BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER!" (etc.)

Upon further examination of MD's latest alleged proof of Sauron captured on celluloid, I can only deduce that the guy in the lower left-hand corner (who looks like my uncle, incidentally) may be none other than former Tonight Show sidekick Ed McMahon. I'm now starting to dread the possibility that PJ is going to show Ed knocking on Sauron's door at Barad-dur and telling him he won the Publishers Clearinghouse Sweepstakes. "It cannot be!"

[Michel Delving]

The catalogue of elemetary proof from the archives of The Tolkien Forum:

A HISTORY:

Sidney's dead (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=288312)

Stanley's Lament (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=288461)

Lucien Carr's not far. (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=288745)

Hey, Jack Kerouac (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=290759)

I've got my Spine, I've got my Orange Crush (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=296499)

I'm just a kid (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=304407)

Artificial Kubrick Intelligence (ttp://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=306684)

October in the Railroad Earth (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=307225)

Being prevented by external force (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=307617)

Treebeard heard his voice and came out of the shadows... (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=312387)

But Dwarves did not make the evil (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=318383)

The path was made to serve the forts along the walls. (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=345559)

Gollum moved quickly, with his head and neck thrust forward... (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=358038)

Les Particules élémentaires..........

[Michel Delving]

We see Eowyn and Merry on a horse, ready to fight.
Galadriel leaning against Frodo who is lying on the ground (it seems like it was a clip from a dream, that maybe Frodo has).
Gollum who talks to himself about taking the ring.
Sam who accuses Gollum for wanting to kill them, Frodo who kinda "protects" Gollum from Sam, and Gollum smiles in an evil way to Sam.
Arwen and Elrond; Elrond says to Arwen that he can't protect her any longer (I dont remember.. but it was something about Arwen and a sword, and that the King should have it..).

There are enormous battle-scenes!

We see Eomer crying with a person in his arms (maybe Theoden?)
Many Nazgul attacs.
Legolas fighting.
Frodo running inside Shelobs lair with the phial he got from Galadriel, and we se Shelob running after him!
There's something with a blue flame.

SAM IN MOUNT DOOM, AND HE SCREAMES "NO FRODO!"



OOH, OOH, MR MAGOO! (http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1064418201)

[Aulë]

He's a year older....yet he hasn't changed....:rolleyes:
Well...at least he has stopped talking about Balrocks and Albino Orcs....;)

And I'm pretty sure all of that was in the ROTK Preview in the TTT DVD...
The blue light was the Phial of Galadriel.

[Michel Delving]

MORE ! MORE ! MORE ! Click Me Quickly ! (http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1064447701)

[Aulë]

Ah, that's old news, MD ;)
Niniel posted that in another thread. Get with times ol' chap. :D

No sign of Sauron in there either. Nor dragons, balrogs or balrocks. :D

[Michel Delving]

I apologize profusely and shall retire to lash myself to the whipping post.

Never to haunt the forum again....

[Aulë]

Dare we believe that and rejoice?
No...give it a couple of days, and you'll be haunting this thread once more. ;)
You see, it is still rated '2 stars', still above MD's dream tally of 1.
:)

And as the RotK rumours increase over the next few weeks, you shaln't be able to restrain yourself. :p

[Valdarmyr]

You know, for a while I couldn't get those badgers (or that badger song) out of my head, but I finally did. Except for one or two...make that three...four...five! Ten! Twelve!!! Now I can't get that picture of that old geezer in the hat and glasses out of my head! If that's really Sauron, I'm going to join Gollum in jumping into the Crack of Doom. Somebody please help me! (Runs screaming out of the room.)

[Saxman717]

MD, did u see Sauron in the ROTK trailer on theonering.net ?????? Did you?!

[drjekil_bg]

Look Md,i have just red all the Thread(a long thread may i say) and i still didnt get your point.Sauron will appear in the Rotk,no doubt but did you really expected to find a pic where they are showing him in the third part.This is the main event in the third part.Who doesnt want to see where and how Sauron will apper and if they show it in the trailer where is the element of suprise.We have to wait untill december and see.


Btw where did you get those pictures,most of them didnt show anything that is connected with Sauron and the about the first one-this is a uruk hai from the first movie and befind there is nothing but a rock

[Gandalf White]

this is a uruk hai from the first movie and befind there is nothing but a rock I'm afraid I have to back up MD here. :eek: It's definitely not from FotR, just a teaser for TTT. Otherwise you are correct. :)

[Valdarmyr]

Ahhh, I think I finally see what MD's doing now. He's not saying, "Look, here's the actual physical proof of Sauron in ROTK," although he did say that (I think). The photos are not meant to be taken literally. He's asking us to look behind the images, behind the Uruk-hai, behind the funny old man in the glasses and the hat, and see the absolute, sheer terror and danger that they all represent. He is showing us that there is a lot of badness and mysteriousness and darkness and shadow in the world, and in essence, this is what Sauron is! This is all Sauron's fault! BAD Sauron. So, wherever there's a lot of badness and darkness taking form in ROTK, there's Sauron. ;) "Run away!...run away!"

[drjekil_bg]

Nice words.All you said in corect but i still cant believe that this is what Md want to say but anyway those are really good words

[NetherDemon]

Are you smoking controled substances? Cause that's the only way Sauron can be seen in that picture dude.

Maybe you mixed up the controled substances and snorted that by accident?

Oh look - up in the sky. The clouds are forming a shape---looks like my two dogs humping each other!!

PJ has done it again!


Lets try to all behaive ourselves and do without the drug referrences shall we

RD

[Valdarmyr]

Originally posted by NetherDemon
Oh look - up in the sky. The clouds are forming a shape---looks like my two dogs humping each other!!You know, that's exactly what PJ was gonna have Legolas say in TTT, but then it was changed to "The red sun rises, blood has been spilled this night." :D

[Lúthien Séregon]

Sorry Michel :( but it's just been confirmed...

Then, information came through from super-spy Dr Lynskey. He tells us that, “Sauron DOES NOT APPEAR IN PHYSICAL FORM at the end of the film”, and goes on to hint that there’s a good chance Aragorn will fight something big at the end...

From: http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=16241

[Hawkblaze]

THANK GOD!!!

Sauron in physical form would violate so many rules. This is good news.

[Sifer]

Bruce Spence vs. Viggo Mortensen anyone?

[Gandalf White]

Originally posted by Lúthien Séregon
Sorry Michel :( but it's just been confirmed...



From: http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=16241

Confirmed my eye! ;) I'm not believing this until several sources back it up.

Although I do hope it's true....

Lets try to all behaive ourselves and do without the drug referrences shall we

Heheh, I'm thankful RD didn't understand this either... MD, did you take up Towelie's offer? It certainly seems you did, instead of following the example of Stan, Kyle, Eric, and Kenny...Sometimes you have to be cryptic to get your point across, Nether. ;)

[Marwood]

Isnt this the "mouth of suaron" suarons personal bodygaurd

[Gandalf White]

Originally posted by Marwood
Isnt this the "mouth of suaron" suarons personal bodygaurd Welcome to the Forum, Marwood! :)

One thing you must learn in the beginning is to never take Michel Delving seriously, except in very special circumstances.

I'm afraid he's made this whole thread up. While it's detrimental to his mental process, his creativity is apparently limitless. :)

[Marwood]

Originally posted by Gandalf White
Welcome to the Forum, Marwood! :)

One thing you must learn in the beginning is to never take Michel Delving seriously, except in very special circumstances.

I'm afraid he's made this whole thread up. While it's detrimental to his mental process, his creativity is apparently limitless. :)


i see lol :D

[Gil-Galad]

I don't like this pic of Sauron and to be honest I even can't believe this is Sauron.:mad:

[drjekil_bg]

Which one,because i saw here atleast 10 pics of Sauron and none were even close to his look

[Gil-Galad]

The first one of course,but actually I don't like any.I think that w we should not have any pics of the body of Sauron.That was the strongest,the most horrible moment in the book,we don't know how Sauron looks like,he is just an eye which is watching you.

[Gandalf White]

Have you two read nothing? MD is joking! :p

(And it can be argued from the books themselves that Sauron did have physical form, and the eye is more metaphorical than anything else.)

[Gil-Galad]

Yes of course he had a physical form,but during III age he was just a spirit,and as far as I know LOTR's events are part of III age.:)

[Gandalf White]

Originally posted by Gil-Galad
Yes of course he had a physical form,but during III age he was just a spirit,and as far as I know LOTR's events are part of III age.:) Heheh, I was aware that LotR took place in the third age, and it can be argued that Sauron had a body at that time. I'm not exactly sure where it is, but there is a specific thread talking about this. I'll find the link if you wish.

Just for example, Gollum himself states that Sauron has a nine-fingered hand, apparently learned during his "stay" in Mordor.

[Captain]

MD is sure taking a while to lash himself. I wonder when he'll be back...

[Valdarmyr]

Well, we did it for Christopher Lee...let's do it for MD and start a petition on the internet to "Bring MD Back To The Tolkien Forum." Who knows--maybe he's even got a scan or two of Sauron from near the very end of the movie--he could start another thread called "The Last Picture of Sauron in the World!"Originally posted by Gil-Galad
Yes of course he had a physical form,but during III age he was just a spirit,and as far as I know LOTR's events are part of III age.:) If Sauron had an answering machine, I'll bet the message would go something like this: "Hello, you've reached Sauron. I'm not in my body right now, but if you'll leave a message..." :)

[Gandalf White]

Good idea! I miss the chap. :(

[Michel Delving]

It will grieve you to know then, that he is dead.

He was my brother.

I was leafing through his old artifacts, paper and internet history when I came across this site, to find him still logged in (via the marvel of cookies, no doubt) and saw your heartfelt plea for his return.

It was a bizarre accident that claimed his life. He was in fact on his way to see Return of the King on it's premiere day. A few hundred feet from the cinema doors, in it's very car park, a loose piece of gravel was propelled at bullet velocity by a passing Mazda MX-5 and pierced his brain via his left eye; instantaneous oblivion was naturally the result.

He never got to see Return of the King. So I saw it for him in his memory. My name is Roger. I hope i can do his minor legacy justice.

[Beleg]

...........:rolleyes:

Not so good.......:rolleyes:

[Ol'gaffer]

And I was so sure that he had been eaten by a BalROCK or a giant albino uruk-hai.

oh well...

[Michel Delving]

ahh, you missed Michel so much, like the look that Viggo gave the remains of the Fellowship before he stormed the hordes of the Black Gate...

Surely, your humanity will follow me down the long short autumn leaves and years of our lives...


ROGER.

[Barliman Butterbur]

This is it! Here it is! Click the attachment for a MAJOR LEAGUE SPOILER EXTREME!:eek: :eek: :eek:

How come when I try to look at the jpg, I get a page that says I don't have permission? Was I a bad boy or something?

Lotho

[Gandalf White]

How come when I try to look at the jpg, I get a page that says I don't have permission? Was I a bad boy or something?

Lotho

Attachments have been acting a little strangely lately. Beorn had an announcement up about them, it probably explains the problem.

[GuardianRanger]

Take a look at the second Announcement. (Announcements are at the top of each forum, scroll to the second one.) Apparently, there's a small glitch in the forum.

[Elrond's GPMG]

*cough* *cough*
sorry to burst your bubble but according to my TOP TRUMPS SPECIALS THE LORD OF THE RINGS THE RETURN OF THE KING (including Gollum) that is not Sauron it is Shagrat remember in Cirith Ungol! He's an Uruk-Hai!!!!!

[numen]

yeh, i can't see what it is even when i zoom in. It looks like it has wings but....you can't tell. Also, it show Sauron fully would be bad for PJ because so many people have images in thier head. To show him would disapoint people.
Personally I can't wait for the EE so we can se Sarumon.

[Michel Delving]

RESURRECTION SHUFFLE!

The oldies are always the goodies. Back from the oblivion of page 2, or was it 3? Back to the heights of enlightenment. THIS THREAD IS ALIVE!

I thank you, from the bottom of my fevered soul, for resuscitating the memory of my poor dead brother and his mad, yet somehow so plausible ideas, he always said if Sauron didn't make it to the movie he'd be in the EE. Thanks for all your support in keeping Michel's memories alive.


Roger Delving. PhD.






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[numen]

erm.....are you, like, mad? As in Gollum mad?

RESURRECTION SHUFFLE!

The oldies are always the goodies. Back from the oblivion of page 2, or was it 3? Back to the heights of enlightenment. THIS THREAD IS ALIVE!

I thank you, from the bottom of my fevered soul, for resuscitating the memory of my poor dead brother and his mad, yet somehow so plausible ideas, he always said if Sauron didn't make it to the movie he'd be in the EE. Thanks for all your support in keeping Michel's memories alive.


Roger Delving. PhD.






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[Michel Delving]

I'm so proud.

If Smeagol was Deagol then we'd all be regal like the beagle. Or is that Corgi?

Please remember my brother's visions (if only Boromir wasn't dead, think how bad it would have turned out):

SAURON UNVEILED! (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2295)

SAURON UNLEASHED! (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2342)

SAURON UNTREATED! (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2654)

SAURON UNDERTAKER! (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3268)

SAURON UNDEFEATED! (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3473)

(please note the above, underlined items, are click-able, just in case you're dumb like me and Kurt)


The Dark Lord may have burned in Doom on Middle Earth but he's alive and well on Blue Planet Earth!

GET IN THE BACK OF THE VAN!

[Arvedui]

RESURRECTION SHUFFLE!

The oldies are always the goodies. Back from the oblivion of page 2, or was it 3? Back to the heights of enlightenment. THIS THREAD IS ALIVE!

I thank you, from the bottom of my fevered soul, for resuscitating the memory of my poor dead brother and his mad, yet somehow so plausible ideas, he always said if Sauron didn't make it to the movie he'd be in the EE. Thanks for all your support in keeping Michel's memories alive.


Roger Delving. PhD.

.Hmmm..... I'm seriously thinking about whether or not to drag this thread behind the barn, and kill it with an axe.:cool:

Any reasons why I shouldn't?

[Greenwood]

Hmmm..... I'm seriously thinking about whether or not to drag this thread behind the barn, and kill it with an axe.:cool:

Any reasons why I shouldn't?

You'd better put a stake through its heart just to be sure. :(

[drjekil_bg]

and cut its head for the great final :rolleyes:

[Michel Delving]

Cut off the arms, cut off the arms!

[Michel Delving]

In a Lurtz stylee.

Strictly,
rub-a-dub.

Roll on ROTK EXT DVD>

[Gandalf White]

Good to see you back Mich...errr...Roger!!

Even though you've lost me again... :o

[Urambo Tauro]

Rest in peace, Michel.

[WeaselRedeemer]

Why do you say rest in peace? Has Michel passed away?

[Urambo Tauro]

Post #416. ;)

[WeaselRedeemer]

Wow, untimely, but what kind of death is timely anyway. I dont know if I believe Michel has passed on, but if he has, its great that Roger can take it so lightly. Death in my view shouldn't be such a sad thing. You go off into any other world or a new life, whatever its unknown. Maybe, we should be scared for our lost ones who know not where they go. To miss someone is very important, and to keep them remembered, it all boils down to the kind of person he/she was. I think Michel will be OK judging by his essence on this forum.

[Gandalf White]

Best. Thread. Ever.

[Urambo Tauro]

It's a classic!