Joint RPG Discussion

[The_Swordmaster]

Well I made this thread so GoE and GoD can talk together to work out this joint RPG. I will post what the elves have been in discussion about pertaining to this.

Originally posted by Aule.
What's all this negativity been directed at the Guild of Dwarves for?
I'm a senior member for both Guilds, and I feel that we can get some brilliant inter-guild RPGs going between the two Guilds.
The Harad/Rhun RPG is nearing completion, so that's something for you all to think about.

Origanlly posted by Calimehtar
Anyways, Dwarf/Elf RPGs - would we just choose one of the guilds to hold the RPG Thread?

Originally posted by Glorfindel1187
ummm we could do that, but I think we would probably hold it in one of the RPG forums.

Originally posted by Aule
OK, has anyone come up with any ideas for the GoD/GoE joint-RPG yet?
Perhaps a quest to regain the last 3 Dwarvish Rings from the ruins of Mordor?

Originally posted by Scatha
A joint Quest would be a valiant idea.

One question regarding that however.
The dwarves originally had 7 rings, where are the remaining four then?

Originally posted by Aule
Destroyed by dragon-fire.

Sauron had the remaining three at the time of the War of the Ring.

Originally posted by Scatha
So Sauron had gotten 3 of the rings, which you now want to start questing for? Do we have any idea which of the 7 dwarven rings were in his possession?

Originally posted by Glorfindel1187
I don't think the Dwarf-rings had names.

Originally posted by Aule
One of the Rings that Sauron help was the Ring of Thror (The one that was taken from Thrain in the pits of Dol Guldur).
No other Dwarvish Rings (to my knowledge) were given names by Tolkien.

Originally posted by Scatha
Ok, but I hope Dengen-Goroth will like the idea of losing those rings.

A joint RP like this may just be what both our guilds need, Aule.

Originally posted by Aule
2). What is happening with the joint RPG between the GoE and the GoD? I think that we've so far established that it will involve recovering the remaining 3 Dwarvish Rings of Power.

Originally posted by Glorfindel1187
3. I've made no decision on the GoE and GoD joint RP, ask the guild leader over there about it, or tell him/her to PM me about it because I will completely forget about it if I'm not reminded about it often enough. But I think for now we will leave that on hold for a while until we get everything else straightened out.

Originally posted by Eol
And about the GoE-GoD Rp, Glorf really is right. The mods might get crabby if we started a new Rp. However, some brainstorming is in order for characters and whatnot, so maybe an MSN meeting could be arranged?

Originally posted by Aule
Also, the people to contact from the GoD are myself, Swordmaster (Guild leader) and YayGollum (Came up with the storyline for the RPG). You may also want to talk to Dain Ironfoot I and Gamil Zirak.

Well that was all the Guild of Elves posts pertaining to this Joint RPG idea. Sorry that I summerized some of the posts but not all content was related to this project.

Well I invite all members from GoD and GoE to talk openly about this RPG.

[The_Swordmaster]

So what here is what have been decided on.

1. The story is The quest for the 3 remaining dwarf rings.

2. It is a joint project between GoD and GoE.

That's about it. So we need now to discuss the charaters involved. A more complete story line will be needed. Should this be an anthology or just one really long RPG. Well all of these and more need to e figured out and discussed upon.

[Scatha]

Well, this is something that is easily solved.

One of the heads of the guilds posts the RP number in the appropriate thread for it, and what the RP is partaining.

Then there will be need of two things, first of all, the OOC discussion thread, where people can submit their intent to join the RP. If sufficient players have posted their willingness to play, the opening post of the RP is made in the IC forum.

From there on, it is just playing. ;)

[YayGollum]

Yikes! Why didn't anyone tell me that this was being talked about elsewhere?

Characters involved ---> I thought it was just Dwarves. The kids of the ones that used to have the rings. I don't see how elves could really fit into it unless they're just good friends with the Dwarves and want to help them out.

More complete story line --->
1. Some kid of some Dwarf that used to have one of the rings wakes up one day and says ---> "How's about I go find that cool ring we used to have around here? Oo! Sounds like a good idea to me!" Or maybe he comes up with the idea, then talks to the other two kids about it. He either doesn't know that the rings don't have powers anymore or he just wants it because it's a family heirloom.
2. He grabs a bunch of people to help him out with going to grab the things.
3. They'd head for Gondor or the Glittering Caves since the people there might know what happened to the three Dwarf rings.

We have to decide what happened to the three Dwarf rings. I know nothing about this Dengen-Goroth character's profile. Does some part of the history say that he was right there when Sauron died and that he grabbed the three Dwarf rings even though they don't work anymore? I have no idea. oh well. I thought that some hero coming into the throne room might find them and keep them because they looked pretty. Or maybe some weaselly dude grabbed them and sold them. What were you people's ideas?

Anthology or RPG? ---> Well, it looks like you've turned my anthology idea into just one little RPG. My original idea was to start each RPG off with one Dwarf getting one of the seven Dwarf rings. It would say what he did with the thing, then end up with some dragon eating it or with Sauron sending evil little dudes off to steal the things back or something. The only story we really know is the one that ended up in Mirkwood. I don't know if you people would want to do that one. Why has the anthology idea been changed?

Also, what's a good title?

[The_Swordmaster]

Anthology or RPG? ---> Well, it looks like you've turned my anthology idea into just one little RPG. My original idea was to start each RPG off with one Dwarf getting one of the seven Dwarf rings. It would say what he did with the thing, then end up with some dragon eating it or with Sauron sending evil little dudes off to steal the things back or something. The only story we really know is the one that ended up in Mirkwood. I don't know if you people would want to do that one. Why has the anthology idea been changed?

I thought Tolkien told us what happened to the rings up till the three that remained after Sauron died.

[YayGollum]

Got it. You don't feel like answering questions. Anyways, sure, we know what happened to the seven Dwarf rings, but you seemed to like the idea of actually playing it out. Look. Tolkien says ---> "Three Dwarf rings ended up with Sauron. Four got eaten by dragons." I say ---> How's about we expand on that? One Dwarf gets a ring. We show how much it helps him. We have to decide what power the thing actually has. We tell the story of the dragon showing up and eating the thing. It's a tragedy. Maybe the Dwarf lived, maybe he was eaten, too. We decide that later. We tell the story of how Sauron got the three Dwarf rings back. We only know how he got one. Lots of opportunities for creativity there. There's less if we just have this one RPG where Dwarves run off to find three useless rings. I wanted to do that story last.

[The_Swordmaster]

That sounds good to me Yay. I'm sorry I didn't have time to answer all of your questons earlier I'll answer them now.

Characters involved ---> I thought it was just Dwarves. The kids of the ones that used to have the rings. I don't see how elves could really fit into it unless they're just good friends with the Dwarves and want to help them out.

That is still undecided. Because we don't know yet the elves role in this anthology.

More complete story line --->
1. Some kid of some Dwarf that used to have one of the rings wakes up one day and says ---> "How's about I go find that cool ring we used to have around here? Oo! Sounds like a good idea to me!" Or maybe he comes up with the idea, then talks to the other two kids about it. He either doesn't know that the rings don't have powers anymore or he just wants it because it's a family heirloom.
2. He grabs a bunch of people to help him out with going to grab the things.
3. They'd head for Gondor or the Glittering Caves since the people there might know what happened to the three Dwarf rings.

Since we are doing that last I think we can hold off on this.

We have to decide what happened to the three Dwarf rings. I know nothing about this Dengen-Goroth character's profile. Does some part of the history say that he was right there when Sauron died and that he grabbed the three Dwarf rings even though they don't work anymore? I have no idea. oh well. I thought that some hero coming into the throne room might find them and keep them because they looked pretty. Or maybe some weaselly dude grabbed them and sold them. What were you people's ideas?

I really have no ideas as of yet.

Also, what's a good title?

Can't think of anything right now.

[Maeglin]

Originally posted by YayGollum
Got it. You don't feel like answering questions. Anyways, sure, we know what happened to the seven Dwarf rings, but you seemed to like the idea of actually playing it out. Look. Tolkien says ---> "Three Dwarf rings ended up with Sauron. Four got eaten by dragons." I say ---> How's about we expand on that? One Dwarf gets a ring. We show how much it helps him. We have to decide what power the thing actually has. We tell the story of the dragon showing up and eating the thing. It's a tragedy. Maybe the Dwarf lived, maybe he was eaten, too. We decide that later. We tell the story of how Sauron got the three Dwarf rings back. We only know how he got one. Lots of opportunities for creativity there. There's less if we just have this one RPG where Dwarves run off to find three useless rings. I wanted to do that story last.


I think this is a great idea of Yay's!

Now, about the Elves fitting into the story.........
I was thinking that we could maybe have some corrupt or maybe "Dark" Elves that would work for Sauron and go after the rings of the Dwarves, and in that way we could also show some more reason of the prejudice between Elves and Dwarves. If we had something like that it would add fuel to the fire concerning the dislike between Dwarves and Elves. And then later on in the part where the Dwarves go to retreive the remaining 3 rings, we have Elves helping them to try and make up for the mistakes of their ancestors that served Sauron in taking the rings. Well tell me what you think about that.
Glorf;)

[The_Swordmaster]

That sounds alright to me.

I have a queston what is the difference of dark elves and Orcs. Because Orcs are elves taken by the dark power. So wouldn't they be the same thing.

[Maeglin]

Yes orcs are Elves that were taken by Morgoth and tortured/mutulated, etc. Dark Elves, or Avari is their real name, are Elves that never saw the light of the 2 trees in Valinor, and more or less live for themselves and want to excel themselves in power. Now, I understand that most of the Elves in ME at the time of LotR hadn't seen the two trees, but their ancestors, etc. had. So if we were to use some Dark Elves, I think we would have to use some from the far East or South and make up a background story for them, because the elves of the west were all good.

[The_Swordmaster]

Also in that history we might have to ally the dark elves and Sauron.

[YayGollum]

Now it's a joint RPG discussion! Anyways, got it. I'm all for making elves look bad. :D Yay for the dark elves! I had a few things to say about what this Glorfindel1187 person said about them, but that has nothing to do with this discussion. oh well. :rolleyes: I'm hoping that the Dwarf people and elf people interested in this have already joined that new site. Now what still needs to be decided? Sure. The players. Since we're doing these anthology things one at a time, we only really need one king type Dwarf at a time. Except for the story with those two kingdoms in the Blue Mountains. I was planning a war between them that was based on greed. We need to come up with some crazy power for the rings to have. Anything else?

[The_Swordmaster]

What might help other members is the 7 dwarves who got the rings. Where they resided after they recived them. Also what were the dwarven kingdoms at that time.

Well I have an idea what the rings powers were. I thought they mentoined in the Hobbit that it helped the dwarves to fing gold and have more riches. I belive Throrin said that.

[Eöl]

You're right, that's exactly what their powers were. Supposedly at the bottom of each Dwarf-horde was a ring of power. Anywho, I think we should just do the story of how Sauron got the 3 rings back, most likely involving some sort of massive war...:D And then we can skip ahead about a thousand years to the quest to recover them. Thoughts please!

[YayGollum]

Well, I haven't heard that it was ever written which Dwarves got the rings. Or where they lived. oh well. If someone ever feels like playing a Dwarf that gets a ring, that person will decide those things.

Anyways, sure, the rings helped them find gold, but what was their power? How did they work? What, were they just some weird kind of metal detector thing? That doesn't sound as cool as any of the other rings' powers. oh well.

Why would you just want to do the three stories where Sauron's involved? Dragons aren't interesting to you? And what massive war are you talking about? If there was one, it would have been talked about. I got the impression that Sauron got the rings back in a more subtle way. Silly me.

[Eöl]

Well, I haven't heard that it was ever written which Dwarves got the rings.

Yeah you're right, the person who plays them would have to make it up. About the powers, I think they worked in a more subtle way, like those who possessed them would happen upon ore deposits or gold 'by chance' as they say in Middle Earth.

Why would you just want to do the three stories where Sauron's involved? Dragons aren't interesting to you?

Meh. Never thought of it that way! Okay, I'm all for the whole shebang now.

And what massive war are you talking about?

None, it's just me and my violent mind.:D But the dragon attacks would probably be more of a war type situation. Possibly assassins and thieves for how Sauron retrieved the three rings?

[YayGollum]

Oh, so you think that the power those crazy Dwarf rings had was just good luck? Huh. Didn't most of the other rings give you something a lot more obvious? oh well. Didn't most of them have something to do with brains and will power? You know. Something like ---> "Boffin, son of Bofur, placed the Ring of Power on some finger. Trying hard to concentrate, he closed his eyes for a while. When he opened them up again, he saw through the walls of rock around him to huge veins of mithril. He turned to his companions and was surprised to see the gold coins hidden in pockets all over them. Some of these pockets were obviously meant to be secrets." See what I mean? Sure, something a little more grand could be nice, but oh well.

Anyways, yes, assassins and thieves were what I was thinking of. It looks like someone likes the idea of having dark elves to do that.

[Eöl]

Well, Yay, you may as well run the whole Rp because your ideas are awesome! All I'm saying is what little there was written about the Dwarf rings said something similar to what I said.

[YayGollum]

Uh, huh. I got it. No big deal. Anyways, it looks like I answered my own question about the power of the Dwarf rings. Unless someone feels like suggesting something better. Now how's about we get some volunteers for Ringbearers? Get a cast ready. Or at least a title. I could start any of these RPGs any time. They'd be in the third age over at that new site, right? Ick. We'll need someone to be Sauron.

[Eöl]

I'll be Sauron, and one of the Assassins too...I'm sure there will be many other takers!

[Scatha]

The seven dwarven rings of power, were given to the first seven dwarven lords created by Aule. These are more then likely named somewhere in the books.

[Bethelarien]

The only one of the first seven named is Durin. The others are not named.

YG, I think this is a marvelous idea. You obviously have put a great deal of thought into this.

I think we should just do the story of how Sauron got the 3 rings back, most likely involving some sort of massive war... And then we can skip ahead about a thousand years to the quest to recover them. Thoughts please!

I don't know about this...time skipping can be really confusing, and that might cause some difficulties. Perhaps instead, we could start with the quest. No doubt during the course of the RP we can give an explanation of how Sauron got them. I don't know when, but at a logical time, like someone telling what happened. I think it would be a lot easier to understand that way. Thoughts?

[YayGollum]

Yikes! I hope you're good at playing a superly evil and smart mastermind, Eol person! oh well. Uh, Scatha person? What makes you think that the Dwarf rings were given to those Dwarves? Those guys were all dead by the time Sauron started messing around with rings of power. Anyways, I don't see why time skipping would be so confusing. This is an anthology type RPG. There will be eight threads when it's all over. Every story about what happened to one of the rings will be one RPG. The last one will be talking about Dwarves running around, trying to get the three remaining rings back. Sure, we can put a little summary. Wouldn't be that confusing, would it?

[Maeglin]

I like the anthology idea, let's stick with it. Anyway I'm willing to be one of the dark elves (who could be the asassins) or a dark elf leader that pays allegiance to Sauron. Well, I'd like to do something like that anyway.

[Scatha]

Yay, that is just a logical deduction, if not given to these seven lords, it may have probably been to their direct decendants.

Seven lords, seven rings, the math was quite obvious to me. ;)

[YayGollum]

Oh, yes, it's always fun to get talked down to. :rolleyes: Anyways, sure, I'd go with the descendant thing. You can see why someone might think that you were crazy for thinking that the originals would still be around. oh well. Couldn't some of the big Dwarf kingdoms have gotten sunk with that huge chunk of Middle Earth from the The Sil? I have no idea. If so, then some of these rings would have to be given to a little less important Dwarves.

Ack! What we need right now is for someone to come up and say ---> "Oo! I would like to be a Dwarf that gets a Ring of Power!" Then that person gets to decide who they are and we can start the thing.

[Aulë]

I don't think any Dwarvish Kingdoms were destroyed with the sinking of Beleriand, but the Dwarves of Nogrod and Belegost fled to the East (such as Khazad-dum).

And YayG: "Oo! I would like to be a Dwarf that gets a Ring of Power!"
I'll be Durin III (Who recieved the Ring that became the Ring of Thror)

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I am currently in a RP now as Durin IV, who's father gave him the Ring. I have noticed something that could very well be the power of these rings.

Gandalf said they use gold to breed gold right? Something to that extent anyways...

Well, did you also notice that the Dwarvish kingdoms were very powerful and rich at this time of the seven rings, yet I have come across something. Sauron could not corrupt the Dwarves to wraiths as is said, though he found a way to "corrupt" them and utterly destroy their power: greed.

The Dwarves of Moria delved too deep for hunger for mithril, and they awakened Durin's Bane. Hmmm... I seem to recall a Dwarvish ring of power passed along the kings of Khazad-dum. Remember Erebor afterwards? They Dwarves got too greedy again, rich and wealthy and powerful once more. Then Smaug came and disrupted that, for he got jealous of their fast wealth. Wherever this ring goes, bad luck and over greed (even for Dwarves) comes into play. Why would four rings perish to dragon fire? Dwarves hunted Dragons at one time, over greed and confidence could have been the death of two, and the Dragons attacking rich Dwarf hordes could have been the fate of others.

Point is, I think Sauron made these rings so they would corrupt the Dwarves by makign them too greedy, causing their kingdoms and military power to collapse from the inside. He achieved in his goal, no doubt.

Also in the appendix, it is clear that these rings caused their bearers to be overzealous and crazy. Remember Thror trying to take back Moria by himself! (I think that was him...) Or Balin and company? I am sure the rings were involved in these incedents.

[YayGollum]

Okay, fine. No Dwarf kingdoms were destroyed when all of that extra part of Middle Earth sunk. Got it. I guess you people will just have to come up with some crazy new names and locations for kingdoms. Or we could just go with the idea where some of the people that get rings aren't rulers of kingdoms, but still some pretty cool guys.

Anyways, Yikes! It looks like there's some competition over one of these rings. I kind of thought that we'd hold that one off until the end, since it's the one with the story I know the most about. Know what I mean? I was also thinking that this part would just be a bunch of ---> "This guy took the ring, then his son took it, then his son took it, then I got it." and end up with just the story about what Thorin's dad did with the thing. *hides*

Also, I don't get what power you're saying the Dwarf rings had. Are you just talking about all of the cool things it did for Sauron? Because I'm talking about the cool things it did for the Dwarves. The reason they kept the things around. You said something about gold breeding gold. I turned that into the gold of the rings helping them find more gold. Some people are saying that they just toss the ring onto a pile of gold and more magically appears. Is that what you're going for?

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I am focusing on the bad the Rings did, and I think they were involved in the demise of the Dwarves. I thought it made sense, provoking the Dwarves' already substantial greed into something more lusting and yearning. I think these rings caused the awakening of the Balrog by delving too deep, the fall of Erebor, etc.

[YayGollum]

Okay. Sure thing. Got it. You can see why I might be a little confused about what the nice and helpful power of the things might be. oh well. I guess we'll have to go with my idea unless someone else feels like tossing something else in. Anyways, it looks like you're all into coming up with plotses. Yay! Have fun. I was thinking about doing the four stories for the rings that got eaten by dragons first, though. *hides*

[Phenix]

you hides alot Yay do you know that?:P anyway...starting with the dragons is probobly good...I think they were the first dwarven rings too go away so...

[munchkin]

Yeah, and you never come back either! You just keep on hiding while your hiding while your hiding!!!!":rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[YayGollum]

Got it. oh well. sorry about that. You know what? I would love to start this RPG. Who wants to play some Dwarves? I'll go come up with an opening post that I can add your invented names to later.

[The_Swordmaster]

I would like to play one of the Dwarven Kings.

[YayGollum]

Got it. Yay! Come up with a name and a kingdom somewhere. I'm guessing that you're all for my idea for the power of the rings? The story (still needs a title, preferable something that says that it's part of a superly cool anthology) ---> Your character walks up to whereever Sauron's hanging out and making rings so you can get a ring(or a superly nice Sauron walks up to your kingdom and tossing the ring at you). You use the ring, have all kinds of fun, and gradually get unnaturally greedy. Emphasis on the 'gradually'! oh well. There would have to be friends that notice the change. Things like that. You'll have to be good at playing the character that'll get a messed up brain. You know. A bunch of social type stuffs. It'll depend on where the kingdom is. The dragon will show up. There'll be all kinds of fights. You'll have to stick the ring in some pile of treasure. You get it, right? We can come up with superly cool plot twists, right?

[The_Swordmaster]

I think I could have a kingdom in the Blue Mountains.

Let's see we need to find the seven biggest mountain ranges and put a kingdom in each Mountain range. I think the Misty Mountins could hold atleast two kingdoms in it since that is a huge mountin range. 1 kingdom in the blue mountains, 2 in the misty mountains, 1 in the iron hills, 1 in white mountains. That's all of the mountain ranges I can think off the top of my head. That leaves us with 5 kingdoms.

[YayGollum]

Well, there were two kingdoms in the Blue Mountains, but I heard something about both of those being destroyed before Sauron started handing rings out. I don't know. Maybe a smaller one suddenly showed up. No big deal. Five kingdoms is enough. We can just have two other people that aren't kings but are still achingly deserving. So now we're ready? Anyone else want to get in on this? Anyone got a superly cool title ready? :D

[The_Swordmaster]

I think we could hve three in misty mountains and one more at Ras Mortil. That would equal seven kingdoms if we make a small kingdom at the blue mountains.