The Matrix Fans Guild

[Inderjit S]

I have no idea how many (if any) Matrix fans there are on these pages, but since 'Reloaded' and 'Revolution' are on the way, soon, I thought it would be nice to have a guild for what could possibly be the greatest movie trilogy ever. Thanks. :)

[Aulë]

Cool, I'll join.
There are plently of Matrix fans here, there's a Matrix thread in S&B that gets posted in a bit.

[Beleg]

I'll join too. If their is a movie that's worthwile seeing, its Matrix.

[Inderjit S]

Welcome Aule and Beleg! :)

So what do you think about the sequels? I am a little cautious of 'Revolutions' since it is said that a large part of it will take part in the 'Real World' as opposed to the Matrix, and this could mean no bullet time, amazing fight scences etc (and no agents?) but I expect the Wachowski brothers (I think I've butchered that spelling) to pack the movie with a great storyline Plus we will get to see Zion. And also any thoughts's on the twins? And on the greatest addition to the cast-Monica Belluci......:D

[Anamatar IV]

I'll join. The Matrix was a great movie...there was steak.;)

[Aulë]

No there wasn't.
"There is no steak" ;)

[Samwise_hero]

I'll join and no one can stop me!!! Muahahahahaha! LOl!

[MacAddict]

The 'Revolution' is coming ;) . Only 13 days till reloaded now!!!!! WooHHOOO!!!! I'll be buying advandced tickets as soon as they are avalible.


~MacAdict

[Aulë]

I've already got mine. :D
There are many advantages in having a sister who works at a movie theatre. ;)

Here's a nice article on Reloaded/Revolutions:

In the spring of 1999, one film changed all of the rules for special effect and created a cultural phenomenon. The writers used a blend of various influences, ranging from anime to science fiction novels, to create a cinematic epic. Its makers so visionary, so demanding, that they required the special effects director to reinvent effects cinematography. The methods he created, in all there forms, are now synonymous with the film: The Matrix.
This summer marks the four year anniversary of the original release and the start of what Newsweek has dubbed the "Year of 'The Matrix'." In a bold step away from the Hollywood status quo, Warner Brothers will be releasing both sequels, "Reloaded" and "Revolutions" within six months of each other.

Reloaded will hit theaters on May 15. It picks up a brief while after the first film. Neo, Morpheus, and Trinity all return to continue their battle with the machines. But the machines have discovered the location of Zion, the last human city, and are tunneling toward it at a feverish pace. An army of Squidies barreling toward the human refuge, and the only hope is to capture the Keymaker, a man in the Matrix who has the ability to get inside the machines network.

Protecting the Keymaker are two sinister looking twin albinos clad in white with dreadlocked hair. Morpheus and Trinity capture the Keymaker and attempt to get him to a hard line phone, the only thing in their way are several miles of highway with rush hour traffic. "You always said never get on the freeway. You said it was suicide," Trinity says to Morpheus as they approach the an ramp, a harbinger to the 20-minute climax that will stun audiences, raise the bar for action movies, and rewrite the book on special effects.

While Trinity and Morpheus rush to get the Keymaker onboard the "Nebuchadnezzar," Neo is forced to fight his old nemesis, Agent Smith. Smith returns, now in viral form, with the ability to replicate with any software wired to the Matrix. Meaning Neo must deal with an army of Agent Smiths, each as powerful as the first. The scene is a special effects masterpiece that will have audiences in awe.

From the opening scene, The Matrix strove to break the rules of special effects. An industry dominated by long standing companies like Industrial Light and Magic, was being schooled by a new start up: ESC lead by John Gaeta. He created a blend of photo and computer effects to create the trademark "bullet time." But the big question was, "What is he going to do next?"

Every movie has a scene that defines it as film. In "The Matrix" it was the lobby. The scene combined wire work, "bullet time," explosions, and more firepower than had ever been seen in such a short scene. For "Reloaded" that scene has been dubbed the Burly Brawl, Neo begins a battle with Agent Smith, who can replicate with any software wired to the Matrix. The result: Neo fighting hundreds of Agent Smiths at the same time.

In an ordinary film, a scene is shot at multiple camera angles and then handed to the special effects wizard. But the brothers wanted something different. They wanted to blend the border between what you know is possible and what you believe to be impossible. Gaeta did just that. Rather than begin with the scene on film and build out, he and his special effects crew started in the computer.

They recorded every minute detail of the scene onto digital media. The set was reconstructed digitally. Every texture, blade of grass, speck of dust was transferred to the mainframe. In the end, the computer created a scene indistinguishable from the filmed copy of the set.

While backgrounds and walls are easy to copy digitally, the human face is different. Our minds have been programmed not to be tricked by simple illusions. Computer renderings often have a plastic look about them, lacking both the proper textures and shading. Your mind simply screams out, "This isn't real."

Gaeta and his team again defied convention by creating their own process called "universal capture." Rather than have the computer synthesize the actors, he gave the computer every detail of their physical makeup. Keanu Reeves and Hugo Weaving spend hours in front of 5 high definition cameras, each with a data output of a gigabyte a second, recording every facial expression needed for the scene.

Every wrinkle, freckle, and hair was recorded by the cameras. Casts of their heads were send to Arius 3D, where the worlds most powerful scanners, precision to 25 microns, created digital 3D replicas of their heads. Even their clothing got special attention. Swatches of cloth were sent to Surface Optics to be scanned with the same equipment used to test the absorption of the paint on the stealth bomber.

With all of the details saved away, the ESC team went to work. The project was completed in complete secrecy. In an effort to keep the scene from leaking to the public, the working script was titled "The Burley Man," an allusion to a Coen Brothers film "Barton Fink". Filed away in a mothballed naval barracks in Alameda, Calif., Gaeta did the imp o s s i b l e .

He created a scene that existed entirely in the computer. Unlike most computer-rendered scenes, which only allow for the intended camera angle, the ESC team created a method of rendering that allows infinite camera angles. If it is decided that another angle is better while cutting together the final film, the new path is entered into the computer and the scene is rerendered, as opposed to the old way of having animators redo the entire scene.

The final product is a completely digitally rendered scene. A scene that is so realistic that your mind casts no doubt on its authenticity, yet camera goes through angles that whip around the action at over 2,000 miles per hour, a sheer speed that would physically rip apart any real camera.

Camera tricks and computer graphics are not the only thing powering "Reloaded." As Morpheus and Trinity race with the Keymaker to a hard line, they must use the freeway. The Wachowski brothers wanted a highway that would make the audience feel the suspense and believe that the duo was facing impending doom. Sadly, for the Wachowski brothers, no civil planner ever creates highways that exude destruction and mayhem. The solution: build your own freeway. Outside the ESC studio there now sits a two mile loop of highway. Complete with traffic signs, onramps, and lots of skid marks. The cost: a mere $300,000 per quarter mile, for a total of $2.4 million.

"The Matrix" trilogy stands as a technological achievement. Much like the "Star Wars" trilogy before it, the creators re-invented the rules for cinema and adapted current effects technology and created there own. In the original film, there were 412 FX shots, in the two sequels, there are over 2,500. It will stand for decades as a masterpiece and will certainly take its place in history.

"The Matrix" went far beyond rewriting the rules for science fiction. It helped in recreating the entertainment industry. The DVD release was the first to sell a million copies. While lacking in most other contemporary DVDs, "The Matrix" special features went to an extent that had never been seen, and has yet to be duplicated. It is also the largest Warner Brothers release ever.

From the moment they began the script, the Wachowski brothers sought to blend the worlds of cinema, anime, comics and novels. It is with that same desire the Wachowski brothers created the sequels and the web of various media forms, all tied together, that lead to the conclusion of the Matrix Trilogy.

Much of the original inspiration for the trilogy came from anime. As such the Wachowski brothers created an animated companion for the sequels. The "Animatrix," a series of nine anime short films, leads viewers as a prequel to original film. The shorts, which will be released on DVD on June 3, are the result of over a year of collaboration between the Wachowski brothers and the various animators who created "Cowboy Bebop" and "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within."

This summer proves to be full of big blockbusters. All of them will have to keep pace with "Reloaded." It will come out early and set a high bar, not only for box office gross but in cinematic storytelling. Come next Super Bowl we will certainly see the cinematic special effects used to sell us popcorn shrimp, a testament to the power of the trilogy.

[FREEDOM!]

I'll join, I love the Matrix!

[Samwise_hero]

Do you reckon the new movies will be better than the first one? I don't know, but i can't wait to see. only 8 days left.

[Ol'gaffer]

This is in no way meant for the people as an insult. But I'm curious to know that how many of you ACTUALLY like the matrix for the philosophical content and thought provoking ideas that it brings up rather than just liking it since it's a "cool" thing to like now, with all the sequels on way.

I remember when it came out, and I was talking to some people about it and the philosophical ideas in it, and they told me that the movie sucked and how bad it was, but a few weeks later when it caught wind and hollywood took it under it's wing and the hype began, they quickly changed their opinion to "oh it was awesome and I loved it" and that really annoyed the hell out of me...

But that aside, how many of you looked at it as a action movie with little else, and how many looked at it as a philosophical movie with action elements?

Me? I looked at it as the latter.

[Niniel]

I'll join, I liked the first one and the trailer for Reloaded looked great. As for the 'philosophical' content of the Matrix: it has some very original ideas, but so have many other movies. The reason why so many people liked it was -I think- because it was a cool action movie with stunning special effects. I must admit that was mainly the reason why I liked it, anyways.

[The_Swordmaster]

Can I please join? I love the Matrix even the philosophical ideas about the movie.

[*Lady Arwen*]

I'll join, I only saw The Matrix yesterday but I really liked it. I don't know a lot about it, but I would like to learn.

[The-Elf-Herself]

I'll join this guild. I love the Matrix, both because it's a kick-butt movie and it has really good philosophical stuff in it. I enjoy movies that are full of philosophical issues and movies that are pure action. Any movie that successfully combines both is one in a million.

[Samwise_hero]

i didn't just start loving it because it bacame popular i love it coz it's really awesome. my fav part is when Neo and Trinity have that big shoot out just before they go and rescue Morpheous. i love the story line too. it's so new age and could possibly happen. it could have already happened!!!!!!!

[*Lady Arwen*]

I really want to see The Matrix: Reloaded but I think I'll have to wait for it to come out on DVD. I don't think the cinema will let me go to it, since it's rated R.

[Lifeling]

2 DAYS!

[*Lady Arwen*]

*bangs head* ... and I won't get to see it!

[MacAddict]

I'M GOING TO SEE IT IN 7 HRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Their have a speacial 10 oclock showing tonight!!!!! I CANNOT WAIT!!! :D :D :D :D :D


~MacAddict

[MacAddict]

All I can say about Reloaded is this: Whoa :D . That movie is truly awesomely unbelieveable. Whoa.



~MacAddict

[Aulë]

OK, could we have a spoiler warning put on the thread title before MacAddict starts spilling the beans....;)
I still have another 20 hours to wait...

[Beleg]

Gosh! 48 to 60 Hours left! I am getting excited. Please, please don't post any spoilers!!

[MacAddict]

I won't say anything if you don't want me to, I wasn't planning to anyway. Get thee self to a theater quick ;)



~MacAddict

[Samwise_hero]

I can't see it till next Wednesday! NO FAIR!!! I have work all weekend not to mention the mountains of school work! ARGH! So don't spill the beans alright. Hmmmm......i can't wait! i can't wait! i can't wait!!! Lol!

[Aulë]

4 HOURS TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG!

:D :D :D :D

*listens to Rob Zombie - Reload*

Oh YEAH!:D

[Theoden_king]

I'll join this guild, have any of you ever seen the animatrix, short cartoons? about the start of the war of humans against machines?

[Inderjit S]

As the founder of this guild I would like to state there will be NO spoiling until everyone has had a decent chance to see the film, which will be one-two weeks from the premier. thank you. NOTE: The Premier's may vary for different countries, so the date for the stopping of spoilers will be 1-2 weeks from the premier in the U.S. :)

Theoden, I believ that the Animatrix is aired on 'specialist' Anime channels such as 'CNX'-do you know if it is? I here it will be appearing on C5 in a 'Matrix night'

[Theoden_king]

http://www.intothematrix.com/

There are four to watch, we streamed them all at lunch but they take a while on the college computers.

Where I live you can buy tickets to see the first matrix again and they will show the four short movies before it, but I don't know if they are doing that everywhere

[Aulë]

:D :D :D :D :D

OK, time to stick up the 'spoiler warning' in the thread title.
I've seen M:R, and LOVED it!!!! :D

Must...discuss....what....happened....:p

[Niniel]

It was GREAT!!!! I can't stand it that we have to wait six months to see the end.... But there were some things I didn't really understand; I want to discuss it... (or maybe I can just go and see it again, will do anyway I think).
Nice avatar BTW Aulë!

[Aulë]

******SPOILERS******

That's it- I can't hold off any longer. :D



I would have to say: the was the most amazing movie I've EVER seen!
The special effects was AWESOME, and the characters were played brilliantly (Although I was dissappointed that Tank wasn't there).
The reviewers have got to be kidding themselves if they say that the stryline was bad: they obviously haven't seen the first movie. It was complex (very, actually. I'll have to watch it a couple of more times for it to make full sense), but it was very good.
The scene with the Architect was EXTREMELY confusing, especially about there already being 6 other 'Ones'. And with the French dudes minions- apparently they used to in previous versions of the Matrix (perhaps the French guy was a 'One' from the last Matrix?).

The action scenes were numerous and amazingly good.
The way they brought in medievil weapons was fantastic, and when Neo took on the 100 Agent Smiths (or Elronds as I like to call them) with the street sign pole *gasp* I was just spellbound.

[Niniel]

Alright, since you started it I'll say something about too. I have many questions, such as:
Which door did Neo take? The one on the left, or the one by which he came in?
Where did Tank go? Did he die after all?
And WHO was the guy in the last shot? I don't remember exactly, but there was something in the beginning of the film about a guy being 'assimilated' by Smith, but after that he didn't look like Smith. Was that him?
What happened to Niobe? Did she die when her ship was blown up?
What do you think the Wachowski brothers are trying to say? Do we have a choice, or not? Guess we'll just have to wait till Revolutions...
Maybe these are stupid questions, but it all went to fast. I really have to see it again!

[Aulë]

Which door did Neo take? The one on the left, or the one by which he came in?
The one he came in. He chose to save Trinity rather than restart the Matrix.

Where did Tank go? Did he die after all?
His sister (Link's wife) said that she had lost both her brothers (Tank and Dozer) on the Nebacannazzar. So we can presume that he died.

And WHO was the guy in the last shot? I don't remember exactly, but there was something in the beginning of the film about a guy being 'assimilated' by Smith, but after that he didn't look like Smith. Was that him?
Yes, that was the guy that Elrond absorbed whilst the two guys we escaping after retrieving the info about the Oracle. When he left the Matric through the phone, I presume that he took on the guy's form, but Elrond controlled him.
He sabataged the defence against the Squidies, and it appears that he survived.

What happened to Niobe? Did she die when her ship was blown up?
No, she is alive.
It wasn't her ship that was blown up, it was the 3rd one that was.
(Remember- she helped out Morpheous with her other crew members on the freeway)

What do you think the Wachowski brothers are trying to say? Do we have a choice, or not? Guess we'll just have to wait till Revolutions...
I think, that by saying that how the prophocey was wrong, that we can still alter our destiny, even in a world of rules.
But, as you said: we'll have to wait till November to find out.

[Samwise_hero]

I went to see it last night! WHOOOOOOOO! IT WAS AWESOME!!!! Some bits were a little toooooo musht but that's just me. i must be a weird chic coz i love action movies and hate mushy stuff. it's so boring. lol anyways, my fav part, the bit with all the agent Smiths!
P.S. i reackon the prophecy is still true!

[Niniel]

I never knew you were a chick Samwise! :) But if you're weird I'm weird too, because I like action movies too (X-Men, Matrix etc.) and I hate romantic comedies and that sort of things. Thanks for the answers Aulë!

[Samwise_hero]

A lot of people don't know that i'm a chic. It's really funny. i like fooling peeps. lol. it works.
By the way, i don't act like a guy, do i? eep?

[*Lady Arwen*]

Going to see it on Saturday, couldn't get tickets for anytime earlier.

I still haven't see the animatrix "The Final Flight of The Osiris", does anyone know if I can download it of the net?

[FREEDOM!]

Ok, I didn't like it as much as I liked the first.

It was too New Agey to me.

[Samwise_hero]

I liked the first one better as well i guess i'm just a sucker for the first movies in a series!

[Inderjit S]

I liked the first one better as well i guess i'm just a sucker for the first movies in a series!

That applies to most movies apart from the Godfather. Part 2 was better then Part 1-but that rocked too. Part 3 was a insult to Mario Puzo's novel tough.....

[Niniel]

I just saw it... AGAIN (you must think I'm crazy). I like part 1 better too, that was a whole finished story while part 2 just stops in the middle. The same reason why I liked FOTR better than TTT really. But still it's one of the best movies I've seen in the past few years.

[Aulë]

Originally posted by Niniel
I just saw it... AGAIN (you must think I'm crazy). I like part 1 better too, that was a whole finished story while part 2 just stops in the middle.

Apparently, Reloaded and Revolutions are one big movie split into two. It was just too big for one sitting.
That's why it was so incomplete.

[Niniel]

I know that :) It's just the same as FOTR, TTT and ROTK being essentially one movie. Matrix 1 had at least sort of an end, although it of course left open the possibility for a sequel, but Reloaded stops just in the middle of the story, and that leaves all kinds of questions unanswered, just as TTT did. So for now I like Matrix 1 better than 2. In the end you can of course only judge it when you've seen all three movies.

[Beleg]

Matrix-1 is way way better then Part 2. I guess the movie is getting so much enthusiasm due to its much hyped action scenes. Apart from a few action scenes and introduction of Zion, it really has no other important element, well that are my thoughts. :p:o :

[MacAddict]

Forget the action and stuff for a moment and remember what happened in the story.





****SPOLERS****








All that stuff that the Architect told Neo! How The Prophacey isn't true! I mean come on there was a HUGE amount of story revealed in Reloaded, which makes it better storywise than The Matrix. That aside I still love the Goverment Lobby :D :D



~MacAddict

[FREEDOM!]

There was too much New Age stuff in it for me, I am a Christian and obviously don't agree with it.

[Niniel]

What do you mean by New Age stuff? All the talk about predestination vs free will? I thought it is an interesting subject, although it has been so often discussed in books, films etc. that it's a bit obvious to start discussing it again. But I'm curious to find out what the Wachowski's think about it: do we have a choice, or not? Is the prophecy true after all ? (judging from the last scene I'd say yes...)

[*Lady Arwen*]

Originally posted by FREEDOM!
There was too much New Age stuff in it for me, I am a Christian and obviously don't agree with it.
Well I'm a Christian too and I don't mind all that stuff.


And I ask agian: does anyone know were I can find a copy of the final flight of Osiris?

[FREEDOM!]

By new age, Something is only true if You belive it to be true. What may be true to you, may not be true to someone else.

That kind of New Ageism.

[MacAddict]

I found this during one of my FOTR Movie Forum Deleting Sprees :D . I thought i'd share it with you guys.

Originaly Posted by Hirila Elrond Smith

Something mentioned in the Freudian Slips thread reminded me of that: Don't you think that Elrond would have looked much better in black and with sunglasses?

I cannot help it, always on seeing and hearing Elrond/Hugo Weaving I'm thinking "wow, now comes this "Hello Mr. Anderson"-thing".

Or something like that: "We know you live two lives, Frodo, one has a future the other hasn't. Give us the codes to Mordors computer system." Frodo answers: "What about that: I give you this (offers the Ring) and you give me my phone call."



Originaly Posted by Dûndorer
i remember saying that in a diferent thread.
"welcome to rivindell mr.anderson".
my friends think its so funny beacause i have the perfect voice.

*then elrond takes off his glasses *

Elrond: the great frodo. we meat at last.
Frodo: whats your name.
ELrond: Elrond.
Frodo: all you elvs look the same to me.

*kung-fu fight seen*

then instead of the police coming in to hit him with night sticks. the people that came to the big meeting came in and hit him with there axes/swords/bows/magic/fists ect. ect.

ps. i would never want that to happen to frodo. :D


~MacAddict

[24framesasecond]

You have got to be kidding me. The MR was ****. The story was ****. It was pretentious philo-jargen with bells and whistles. The 20min rave/sex scene was useless and blatently COPIED a better film and the dialogue was so sappy i thought someone had based it on a soap.
Just because the architect said philosophical sounding things doesn't mean that it was remotely deep or implicit. If anything, the entire movie RUINS both itslef and the original by making all ideas and themes EXPLICIT, thus ruining the film and making it NOT meritous. Even as entertaining, the movie was simple stimulus, those who watch it and think it to be "fun" and "enjoyable" are obviously missing the reflexive criticism the original had.
The point of the movie was not the plot. The story is not where the importance is; yes, the narrative is suppose to convey the ideas, but for it to be high-arced it needs to do this implicitly. MR completely fails, as art and entertainment because it uses HORRIBLE SFX (rubber men scene), and tries to STIMULATE us into thinking "wow, that is so cool and so deep;" One must ask, how deep can surface get?

[24framesasecond]

As for Christianity vs. New ageism, if you say you hold Christian views (i.e. you say you're a Chrisitan) yet you don't have a problem with relatavism (the New-age agenda as well as Post-modernism) then you have a huge conflict with your statements and ideas.
The cold water hot water allegory comes to mind.

[24framesasecond]

The Matrix and MR featured a lot of Existential and New-Age ideas, almost all of which are either self-negating or ill-contrived.
The thing i did enjoy about The Matrix was the Classical and Christian (either Catholic or High-Angelican, i haven't watched it but twice) imagery, allusions, and ideas.
The Matirx was quite wonderful, it had only one really noticeable flaw; the ending, where Neo "flies," so very sappy.

[Samwise_hero]

Of course the Matrix and all the stuff in the movies isn't true. I'm also a christian. i don't believe that any of the stuff in the movies is real. I just enjoy watching them (well the first movie anyway)It's just something to amuse me.

[MacAddict]

Please lets keep the subjects here about the Matrix and stuff related to that, what I'm saying is DO NOT let it turn into a religious debate, otherwise this place will be closed.


~MacAddict

[*Lady Arwen*]

I went to see the Matrix yesterday. I liked it but I thought the ending was a bit confusing. At least I got to see the Revolutions teaser trailer.

[Niniel]

Here (www.cavola.co.uk/forums/index.php?act=SF&f=33) is a movie forum that discusses Matrix Reloaded only. Kinda cool, but most people seem to take it FAR too serious:)

[Samwise_hero]

Why are people so serious about movies? My friend has already threatened to kill 4 people coz they said the matrix sux. I don't agree of course.

[Aulë]

I just heard the craziest theory today.

Apparently, Zion and the 'outside' may be an 'outer Matrix' of sorts.
That may explain why Neo could use his powers right at the end on the Sentinals.

[Niniel]

That 'Matrix inside a Matrix' theory... That other discussion site has many theories on it. I don't believe it, cause then it would go on indefinitely, still more Matrices outside of the first one. It must stop somewhere, and I think there is only this one Matrix.
I also heard the theory that Neo himself is a program, a son of the Architect and the Oracle, who are both programmes themselves. I don't believe that either really.... Geez I can't wait for Revolutions!

[Theoden_king]

I've only just seen it, well earlier today, I thought the first film was better but only slightly.
I loved Morpheus' fight on top of the van on the freeway, and the scene with Neo fighting all the Agent Smiths.

I really didn't undertsatand how Neo stopped the sentinels when he was outside of the Matrix though :confused: I don't belive that the Matrix is inside another Matrix

[MacAddict]

For something made in my comp. This is OSX Runining the Terminal, a Emulater of sorts that lets you use Unix in Mac OSX. Sound Familer? :D


~MacAddict

[Samwise_hero]

Neo could stop the sentinels coz he's a program too. He was programed to belive that he could defeat the matrix but he is part of another matrix himself
That;s how it was explained to me

[spirit]

HI! there is a new matrix forum! hardly any people there!
http://www.themediaman.neosurge.net/forum/index.php
weird one! check it out though, if you like matrix!

[Theoden_king]

In the Matrix (the first one not reloaded) at the end when Neo is talking on the phone who is he talking to? At first I thought he was freeing another person but he says
"I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see, a world without you"
or something like that so I thought he was talking to the maker of the Matrix but in reloaded he doesn't know anything about the architect. So who is he talking to?

[Aulë]

Hmmm, possibly the robots.
He may have known that the phone was tapped, and decided he wanted to have a bit of a chat with the enemy.

Neo could stop the sentinels coz he's a program too. He was programed to belive that he could defeat the matrix but he is part of another matrix himself
Trust me: He's not a program.
My current belief is that he was not in The Matrix, OR in the outside world when he killed the Sentinals: he was in limbo. Therefore still had some of his powers.

[Theoden_king]

Originally posted by Aulë
Hmmm, possibly the robots.
He may have known that the phone was tapped, and decided he wanted to have a bit of a chat with the enemy.


I had never thought of that, Trinity knew the phone was tapped when she was talking to Cypher so maybe you're right.

He certainly isn't a program because we saw him get unplugged.

[Beleg]

he was in limbo. Therefore still had some of his powers.

Now this is a weird idea...:confused:

[Eöl]

I don't think Neo is a program either, but he still could have his powers with the "Matrix-inside-a-Matrix" theory. Also, that would explain how Agent Smith could assimilate the guy who tried to stab Neo. BTW, I watched the Animatrix last night, it was excellent! It explains a lot of things, like how the war began.

[Samwise_hero]

It's all really confusing so i'm counting on the 3rd movie to explain it all to me. I just have to wait until November now, which really isn't that far away!

[Theoden_king]

Maybe Neo using his powers in the real world is just to prove that he is actually THE one and he could end the war?

[24framesasecond]

Mac, i can understand your statement, though i must say it would be very difficult to break aprart The Matirx without mentioning its many references to Classical and Christian ideas and images. To take THe Matrix as something in and off itself and not acknowledge the movei itself does would insulting, and would take away from the art of the movie, as well as the film's incredible ideas and themes.

[24framesasecond]

Well, easy, the same reason for which you are a Tolkien Forum member.
There is much to say and think about when dealing with great art. And since Film is one of the arts, it needs to be thought of seriously when it request such to be done, as is the case with The Matrix.
Your friend is a different case all together. If he/she threatens people because they dislike the movie, then he/she is probably not ready for heady movies like The Matrix, probably so livid because of purely emotional/pleasure connections to the movie, something that the themes of the movie are against (in context of what your friend said, that is).

[24framesasecond]

FIrst and foremost, to link THe Matrix and MR in ideological discussions is futile. MR adulterates most if not all of the ideas and themes of THe Matrix (not to mention that it COPIES other movies).

[Eöl]

If you don't like the Matrix, this probably isn't the best place to post. Hence the name "Matrix Fans Guild." Just a thought, there are plenty of other places to discuss its shortcomings.

[Inderjit S]

Trust me: He's not a program.

Maybe he still has a 'link' with Agent Smith, from when he 'de-programed' him at the end of the first Matrix movie. Remember at the end of the movie Bane, who is Agent Smith 'in disguise' so to speak, within Zion was also in a coma.

Maybe Neo using his powers in the real world is just to prove that he is actually THE one and he could end the war?

Maybe. But I would've thought his superhuman abilties were restricted to the Matrix not the real world. And why hasn't he discovered these abilties before?

I am still wondering who the hell the Matrix's Queen is. Persephone maybe. (I think I saw Monica's name in the cast-list for Matrix 3, at IMDB)

[Aulë]

I got the feeling that it was the Oracle.

[Inderjit S]

No because when Neo questioned the Architect on who the Queen was and asked if it was the Oracle he scoffingly replied 'please'.

Also, the W. brothers place emphasis on their names. I belive that the 'Oracle' in Greek mythology was a messenger of sorts or a foreteller of the future, whilst Persephone was a Greek goddess who was promised to Hades, the god of the underworld, but she didn't know about it, and when she was dragged into hell due to a hole opening in the Earth, and when her mother, Demeter demanded her return it was revealed that she had tasted the food of the dead and had to remain in the underworld for 3 mths, which is the equivalent to our Winter and the rest of the time she could go to Earth.

[24framesasecond]

Yes, I completely aggre, this is The Matrix Fans Guild. The Matrix is a wonderful movie, to which i have talked a great deal about. The MR is a horrible movie, also to which i have talked a great deal about, but since this is The Matrix Fans Guild, i should fit in just fine.

[Niniel]

I suppose the queen of the Matrix (I thought the Source called her the mother) is Persephone; she seemed to know how to handle it pretty well, and she's the only woman in the film who could be it (apart from the Oracle, but she can't be it, and Trinity but that would be really weird).

[24framesasecond]

A big name-part of the W. Bros is Neo's.

Notice, his name was Anderson. If you trace ANDER to it's roots, it means MAN, and then of course you have to add the Neo and Son into the mix (correct oder as you would a name with prefix), and what do you get, NEO-ANDERSON, or, as is heavily suggested by the strong Roman-Catholic and High Anglican images (i.e. Five wounds, "The One," prophecies, death and resurrection, flying), Neo-Man Son.
I think his name is the most fun; the rest seem so obvious.

The one name i haven't figured out is Smith; I am guessing they really didn't invest that much into some of the other characters, at least not as much as they did in the numerology, allegories, and CGI.

[Niniel]

Well, a smith is someone who makes things. But I can't see him as being involved in the making of the Matrix.

[Wolfshead]

Originally posted by Ol'gaffer
But I'm curious to know that how many of you ACTUALLY like the matrix for the philosophical content and thought provoking ideas that it brings up rather than just liking it since it's a "cool" thing to like now, with all the sequels on way. Me, I do.

I was gonna join here a few weeks ago, but as it took me a while to see MR, I haven't got round to joining 'till now. Anyway, yeah, The Matrix was awesome, both fighting and philosophy, MR was good, but not as good as the first, even though the fighting was much better.

So, yeah, I'm a Matrix fan, so I'll join :D

[MacAddict]

I just saw The Matrix Reloaded for the second time and I noticed that Bill Pope, the Director of Photography on all the Matrixs, is in the movie. Hes the security guard that when told "Hey! you can count sheep at home" Bill Pope answers "Why not? I get paid to count 'em here". Just something cool I noticed.


~MacAddict

[Boromir]

I'll join the guild if it is not to late.

[MacAddict]

In a theater or 2 here in town, in just a few minutes, the Final Chapter of the Matrix trilogy is about to come to pass. Sadly I am not at this monumental occasion, because I would go with my mom but she has to work tomorrow and thus can't be out real late and I'm only 16 and can't get into and R-Rated movie on my own. Good thing is I'm going to see it tomorrow, so its not so bad, but I sure loved being in a room filled, literally, with Matrix freaks at the early showing of Reloaded way back in May.


~MacAddict

[Aulë]

You sure?

The worldwide release isn't for another 8 hours...

[MacAddict]

Heheheheheeheh, no I wasn't sure. I based that purely on assumtion, stupid me, just forget I said it.

~MacAddict

[Aulë]

Well it's out now, and I shall be seeing it in a few hours time.

But a few reports have come in from some of my mates that it is "not that good". The ending isn't too satisfying, and it pales in comparison to the first Matrix. :(

[Wolfshead]

I'll see it eventually. Whether or not I'll bother to see it in the cinema is a different matter entirely!

And I don't know why you should be pleased about the result in your sig, I mean, you were expected to rout us :p I would be worried if I were Australian - your tries came from our mistakes, they weren't created, whereas ours was. On the plus side for us, at least our rugby team can get out of the group stage, unlike in football... :rolleyes:

[Aulë]

Quiet you ;)
I'm just rubbing it in to Legolam. She seemed so confident that the Scots would win...:D
And you only scored one try- and it was from an ex-Australian! :D lol

[Wolfshead]

She thought we'd win?!? She must be quite an optimist...
From an ex-aussie, yes, but at least we created it :p:rolleyes:

[Eilana]

(can i join?)

OMG!!!!!!!! i saw it on saturday. I don't want to say anyting in case someone who hasn't seen it reads this but OMG!!!!!!!

[tom_bombadil]

I don't know what you have got against reloaded it is amazing yes i agree it is not as good as the original but is still a brilliant film. Revolutions is a stunning film and the ending is really clever plus they leave it open for another film so I will be hoping for another

[laurelindorenan]

I think a lot of people compare the sequels to the first Matrix. It blew people away because it was new, it was different and exciting. Then when the sequels came out people expected them to be bigger and better, so they were somewhat disappointed. I think if you look at each film on its own, they are quite spectacular, and as a whole series of films, they are pretty good. Its when you start comparing in the group that it gets difficult.

The third film is fairly good, depending on how you look at it. In a way, it is cleverly done with the open endedness, like the mislead death inthe 2nd film. On the other hand, you might be thinking, 'What!?! It's not supposed to end like that!!!! Whats going to happen?' so really its a matter of opinion.

Sorry, I just barged in...