outcast changes

[balrog]

share an aspect of yourself you would like to change....

we all share this feeling...we all want to be better people



I persomally would like to have a greater respect for myself, and gain some self esteem. I have had practically no confidence in who i am as a person and i am not sure why...and i don't want to feel likr this any longer....

am i alone in this regard?

do you have similar issues with your own life? or feeling some other aspects?

..?

[Kailita]

Let's see...I would like to change my nose...and maybe my eyebrows, too...but I suppose those are just shallow physical aspects...:rolleyes:

Mm...I guess I could be more witty. I've never been able to quip off smart remarks. :rolleyes:

Balrog, from what I've seen, you're a wonderful person. :) I suggest you write out a list of all the good things you can think of about yourself. Or even have us Outcasts do it for you! You might be surprised. *Hugs*

[Sarah]

ditto on the self esteem. I also wanna be a better sister.

[YayGollum]

Yikes! No confidence? No self-esteem? Creepy! I feel sorry for you people! I'm full of it! :rolleyes: oh well. That just makes no sense to me.

Wit? Why? When you say that you'd like to be able to quip off smart remarks, it sounds like you're talking about the sarcastic and hurtful type. :eek:

Let me see here. A personality transplant for me? Maybe I'm too evil and self-centered, but I can't think of anything. I'm very achingly confident in myself. Too stubborn for my own good. I see no problem with it. I'd just like to change others. Whoops! Hm. Maybe I'd want to... no. That's the same thing as messing with others. oh well. I'll think about it.

[Rhiannon]

I think I'd be more witty too- I like the start chatrooms by asking a random question, and one of my favorites is "What literary character do you wish you were more like, and why?" My answer is Elizabeth Bennet, because she always has a come-back (also she gets Mr. Darcy. Mr. Daarcy).

[Ice Man]

There are some extra pounds I'd be delighted to get rid of.

[Kailita]

Here's an idea: we take some of Yay's overconfidence and self-esteem and trasfuse it into those who actually need it. Yay has it in abundance...I'm sure he won't miss just a little...:rolleyes:;)

Ohmygoodness...Rhi...you've read Pride and Prejudice?! Eee! :D Ooh, I love that book! And I love Elizabeth! :D Yes...that's what I mean when I say I want to be more witty. I don't want to be hurtful, I just want to have come-backs on the spot that make people step back and take me seriously, instead of just sort of standing there and feeling stupid.

[Raithnait]

Yick! Jane Austen Books! Eeeww! *shudders and shoves the hated books in Kailita's and Rhi's general direction* Here, help yourselves...

I'd like to be more leader-like. I'm often rather timid and shy and would love to be more diplomatic and whatnot.

[Kailita]

:D *Greedily hordes Miss Austen's books all to herself...makes sure she gets Pride and Prejudice, Emma, and Sense and Sensibility...grudgingly hands over Mansfield Park to Rhi...* :rolleyes:

Oh Rai, shy people are good...nice and sincere. And we have too many diplomats around here anyways. (Btw, can I ask where your name came from? If it came from anywhere specific or if you just thought it sounded cool? Just wondering...:))

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

I would definitely like to be smarter and have an excellent memory for details. It is so hard to have to know I must live my whole life without those attributes. And don't say I can be taught to have a better memory, because my un-smart mind will rebel.
:confused:

[Rhiannon]

Ohmygoodness...Rhi...you've read Pride and Prejudice?! Eee! Ooh, I love that book! And I love Elizabeth! Yes...that's what I mean when I say I want to be more witty. I don't want to be hurtful, I just want to have come-backs on the spot that make people step back and take me seriously, instead of just sort of standing there and feeling stupid.

Read Pride and Prejudice? Dahling, I inhaled Pride and Prejudice! One of the reasons I love the internet is that I have time to come up with more snappy come-backs than I would otherwise.

Yick! Jane Austen Books! Eeeww! *shudders and shoves the hated books in Kailita's and Rhi's general direction* Here, help yourselves...

More for us! But honestly, I don't see how you can possibly not love them! *sigh*

Mwahahahaha- what Kaia doesn't know is that there are already three copies of S&S and two copies of P&P in our house, and two of Emma, and two of Persuasion.

(Btw, can I ask where your name came from? If it came from anywhere specific or if you just thought it sounded cool? Just wondering...)

I can answer that! A while back (gosh, more than a year) for fun I started writing a shameless self-insertion LOTR fanfic (really only entertaining to me, Rai, and one or two other people, but it's fun and relaxing to write). Anyway, it's about twin girls going back to ME, you know the cliched story. And their names were Rhiannon Fiachra (the one most like me) and Raithnait Erin (the one that Rai recognized as herself, though I didn't do it on purpose). And Raithnait means 'little graceful one'.

[Kailita]

Originally posted by Rhiannon
Read Pride and Prejudice? Dahling, I inhaled Pride and Prejudice! One of the reasons I love the internet is that I have time to come up with more snappy come-backs than I would otherwise.
Ditto. ;)

Originally posted by Rhiannon
More for us! But honestly, I don't see how you can possibly not love them! *sigh*

Mwahahahaha- what Kaia doesn't know is that there are already three copies of S&S and two copies of P&P in our house, and two of Emma, and two of Persuasion.
Ooh, wow, really? Lucky, you are. I don't think I own any of them. :( My mom and I always get them from the library. And I haven't even read Persuasion yet. But we do own the P&P movie...;)

Originally posted by Rhiannon
I can answer that! A while back (gosh, more than a year) for fun I started writing a shameless self-insertion LOTR fanfic (really only entertaining to me, Rai, and one or two other people, but it's fun and relaxing to write). Anyway, it's about twin girls going back to ME, you know the cliched story. And their names were Rhiannon Fiachra (the one most like me) and Raithnait Erin (the one that Rai recognized as herself, though I didn't do it on purpose). And Raithnait means 'little graceful one'.
Oh, that's really spiffy. :) HobbitGirl and I are doing something somewhat like that right now, too. What language is Raithnait from? Something made up? Or is it a real language?

[The-Elf-Herself]

Hmmm, something to change about myself. Hmmm.....um.....wait I'm thinking....er....ah, got something! I'd like to not have so many snappy come backs! Mine are of the clever, incredibly accurate variety, which means that sometimes people laugh at them and sometimes they just sort of blank out. It goes right over their heads. Besides, I've begun to realize that many people aren't as comfortable with themselves as I am, they can't take those kinds of comments. It's nuts. So I keep all this great stuff inside, because no one can handle it. Very annoying. Other than that, I'm pretty cool. Oh, on the shallow physical side, I would do anything to get rid of this yucky baby fat that I've been stuck with since birth. No matter how much I exercise, it never goes away; it laughs at my Pilates DVD. I wouldn't have a problem if I had actually earned it by eating a lot, that's my fault, but I was just arbitrarily stuck with it.

Huzzah for Jane Austen! Huzzah for Pride and Prejudice, the bestest book of all of hers! Huzzah for Persuasion! Boo for Sense and Sensibility, I was SO mad that Marianne got jilted. That ruined the whole book for me.

[YayGollum]

If I could distribute my overconfidence and self-esteem, I wouldn't. It's too much fun for me. sorry about that. Hm. Let me see here. Sure, we could all appreciate a little more smarts or wisdom or whatever. That's not really a big problem for me, though. I'll get that stuff sooner or later. Oo! Maybe I wouldn't mind getting some ambition! Yes, that's a huge problem of mine.

[Rhiannon]

Ooh, wow, really? Lucky, you are. I don't think I own any of them. My mom and I always get them from the library. And I haven't even read Persuasion yet. But we do own the P&P movie...
Well, we have one copy of P&P that came with our school curriculum, one copy of S&S that I got used, another copy of S&S that my sister got used so she would have something read during a trip, and then my sister has been collecting the Modern Library pb editions. But we DON'T have the P&P movie *whimper* I wants it, preciousss. We do have Sense & Sensibility (mm, Alan Rickman) and Mansfield Park, though. What language is Raithnait from? Something made up? Or is it a real language? Gaelic! Fiachra is Gaelic too, for 'raven' (and it's a guys name).Huzzah for Jane Austen! Huzzah for Pride and Prejudice, the bestest book of all of hers! Huzzah for Persuasion! Boo for Sense and Sensibility, I was SO mad that Marianne got jilted. That ruined the whole book for me.
But...Colonel Brandon! *loves Colonel Brandon*

[Dragon]

you guys should start a Jane Austen thread so you can talk about it THERE.............oops....

are we only allowed to change one thing? well, I have 3 things, and you guys can pick one out of them for me!!!

as seen above, I am accidentally pushy, and sometimes hit people for saying semi-mean things on instinct...I wish I could come up with nicer ways to say what I want to say b4 I say it...

I want to get rid of my freckles and acne and other face ickying things

I wish I could stop coming up with smart quipping funny come-backs 10 min. after the time to say them has come and gone, because, then I really want to say them, but I can't because the timing is 10 minutes off, and it would just sound stupid and desperate

[Annushka]

This is great!:) I have so many things to say I don`t know where to start.

I love shy people:) I used to be one of them. And I know how difficult things get sometimes for them.

I wish I were so sure about myself as Yay is:rolleyes: People usualy don`t admit that they think highly about themselves. It takes either a very stupid one to do that, or somebody with a specific way of thinking.

I would like to be more confident in my abilities. I always suffer from the thoughts that I wouldn`t be able to do this or that, or there is a whole bunch of people who are smarter, better educated than I am. I`m extremely self-centered. But I have no wish to change it. I think it`s absolutely normal when you`re young. Unless you have children or somebody that depends on you.


As for the shallow stuff, losing a couple of extra pounds wouldn`t hurt:D How I hate that subject:mad: I start by being calm and all and end up being extremely annoyed.

To The-Elf-Herself: if that`s the way you are don`t try to change it.

To tell the truth I NEVER understood what`s so great about Jane Austin or mr. Darsy or Elisabeth:D

[Dragon]

I haven't read any of them, so I wouldn't know, but it sounds like exactly the oposite of the sort of stuff I'm interested in.....

[Kailita]

Originally posted by Dragon
you guys should start a Jane Austen thread so you can talk about it THERE.............oops....
*Gasp* What a good idea! :D

Okay, Jane Austen rantses out of the way, then I'm done, I promise. :rolleyes::) Jamish loves Jane Austen, too?! :eek::D Hurray! Oh Jam, I thought for sure you would be scorning that sort of writing, since you seem to be of the love-is-ridiculous mindset. But cheers for good writing! Especially good British writing. :D Yes, P&P is the best, and yes, it's so sad that Marianne gets jilted, but Colonel Brandon is wonderful! :D Come to my house and you can watch the P&P movie with me, Rhi! We loves it, preciousss, yesss we does...

Okays. I am done now. :rolleyes:

Onto real thread discussion. Rhi, I say we take Jam, Elizabeth Bennet, and Yay, put them together in a sealed room, suck out all the quippy remarks, and distribute them between the two of us. We can tie Yay to a chair if he decides to be selfish and not come along of his own free will. :D

D, don't want to rid yourself of your freckles, freckles are great! And I think everybody wants to get rid of their acne...
And if it makes you feel any better, I do the whole "really good comeback after ten minutes" thing, too. :rolleyes:

[Dragon]

yeah, doesn't it make you so mad that you cant say it now that you've actually come up w/ it?

and, I am COVERED in freckles.... I dont necessarily want to get rid of all of them, just most of them....they're on my shoulders, my arms, my legs, my STOMACH!!!! (just a few there, though) and my toes, THERE ARE FRECKLES ON MY TOES!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rhiannon]

Come to my house and you can watch the P&P movie with me, Rhi! We loves it, preciousss, yesss we does...

Shall I bring the Kettle Corn?

I think we ought to take Yay and lock him in a broom closet with my friend Chris and see who goes crazy first. That would be fun. Yay would be Yay and Chris would ramble in Latin and it would be most entertaining ;)

[The-Elf-Herself]

Oh, I LOVE Jane Austen. I don't mind romance in literature, if it's interesting and well-written, it's the real-life moaning and groaning, dating and junque that gets me annoyed.

Haha! To thwart your evil plan we'll just not talk in that room. At all! Ever! *Mom looks over shoulder and laughs her head off at the idea of me resisting the urge to make quippy remarks*. Oh c'mon, it's not THAT funny. :rolleyes: Even though she's right, it would be too great a temptation.:D

About the P & P movie, I'm sorry, they got the casting wrong. Lizzy was a REDHEAD, no bones about it.

[YayGollum]

I can ramble in Latin, too! Anyways, Yikes! If you don't have all kinds of self-confidence, take this superly cool personality test. It definitely magnified my fun by 27,000. But then, it says that I'm a Mastermind. :D http://209.15.29.56/myersbriggs/personhome.htm

[The-Elf-Herself]

Did you really need a test to tell you that Yay? I could have enlightened you to that fact. :rolleyes: It's only as obvious as-ooops, forgot to use tact again. Oh yeah, that quiz is great and pretty accurate too. It pegged all my friends out pretty well and as for me... *hides* Scary thing must have read my mind. That's the only way I could have gotten that answer. I'm a way cool Inventor, an ENTP thingy.

[Rhiannon]

About the P & P movie, I'm sorry, they got the casting wrong. Lizzy was a REDHEAD, no bones about it.

WHAT??? (and that was a wig, so not a problem with casting)

[Annushka]

I took that test which was fun. My type was INTJ. Which makes me a Mastermind too:) Wow... It said that this kind of people have very strong will.
Inventors are great. I always wanted to be able to create something: a poem, music, anything. But I just don`t have the thing for that:(

[Sador]

I just took that test and I'm INTJ as well. There, we're all mastermind outcasts.:D

[Dragon]

I'm an INTP... I think it said "the architect" under INTP, but I'm not sure....is that good? it ....sounds....good...

I am; Introverted, iNtuitive, Thinking, Perceiving

INTJs are ;Introverted, iNtuitive, Thinking, Judging

how does judging count more towards mastermindness than perceiving?

*is confused*

[Rhiannon]

I am: ISTP-
* moderately expressed introvert
* moderately expressed sensing personality
* slightly expressed thinking personality
* moderately expressed perceiving personality

Strength of the preferences %
Introverted 44
Sensing 33
Thinking 1
Perceiving33

[YayGollum]

Did some of you people not read the superly cool pages about the different types? Or do only some of the types get pages explaining the personality? I have no idea. oh well. Yay for more Outcast Masterminds! People who understand me! :rolleyes: Anyways, Dragon person, wouldn't judging help the masterminds out a lot? We gots to judge who'd make good underlings, right? :D

[The-Elf-Herself]

Oh yeah, crazy Masterminds who boss people around.:D Us Perceiving types are much more relaxed and funner. Plus, we Inventors understand all kinds of people without having to actually BE them, which would be boring. Yeah, we also make terrible underlings, too generally insubordinate.

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

SURE!
I am a Artist-Virtuoso-Promoter

ISTP

Others like me are Tom Cruise, Clint Eastwood, and Frank Zappa.

What is weird is that I have changed over the years. I used to be a INTP - more introverted and quiet. I bloomed !

[YayGollum]

Well, I'm a messed up mastermind. No ambition to get people to boss around. oh well. I love the part that talks about me not jumping at positions of authority. I'm more into watching the authority mess up so I can laugh at them and point out mistakes. :D Anyways, yes, that changing thing is weird. I was achingly surprised when I saw what I was. I took the test about four more times just to make sure. oh well. :rolleyes: I'm like that cannibal guy from those Silence Of The Lambs books and that superly evil dude from the Sherlock Holmes books and *sniff* the evil torturer Gandalf. *bawls*

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

Oh, I SEE! Moriarty WAS a mastermind, wasn't he.

I see I am the same as Rhianon, except she is much more Introvered and Perceiving than myself, according to the %s.
Mine are more close together.

[Kailita]

That was a cool test, but somewhat hard, because I act different way with different people. I don't feel comfortable in crowds of strangers...but if it's a crowd of people that I know and like to be around, then I'm perfectly fine.

I am an ISFJ.
Moderately expressed Introvert - 33%
Slightly expressed Sensing personality - 11%
Moderately expressed Feeling personality - 56%
Moderately expressed Judging personality - 39%

That's really interesting...and somewhat strange...because I used to be an extrovert! I think part of me still is...it just depends where I am and who I'm around.

I don't think there's been anyone here like me yet! :D

[Dragon]

yes, that was hard, because how I act usually depends on how I feel, and how I feel depends on what I eat, and I don't eat the same thing every day, so I act different all the time!!

[YayGollum]

Sure, but do you always think differently? :eek: Anyways, yes, Yay for Moriarty! A superly cool guy! Well, I hope that thing worked for you people. I think it's superly cool, but then, I haven't read many of the little descriptions of the other types. :rolleyes:

[Annushka]

Originally posted by YayGollum
Well, I'm a messed up mastermind. No ambition to get people to boss around. oh well. I love the part that talks about me not jumping at positions of authority. I'm more into watching the authority mess up so I can laugh at them and point out mistakes. :


Yeah, I liked that part, too. Not to be dying to control everybody around;)

Have you noticed that so far everybody is Introvert? No Extroverts among Outcasts:D Well except for Kaili, who used to be one:)

Eatings habbits are always in charge, unfortunately. But I agree with Yay, thinking and acting aren`t the same. Besides I thought that the test was about potential that we have. Which doesn`t depend on what we eat.

[The-Elf-Herself]

Hey, I'm an extravert! I'm also like Q, which is really cool, because the Q Continuum was the best part of Star Trek, kept things from getting too boring and stuffy. Why wouldn't you read the little write-ups on other people's personalities? I thought it would be interesting. I dunno. I'm always trying to understand lots of different peoples ways of thinking and stuff, helps me to write a variety of characters in stories.

[Kailita]

Originally posted by Annushka
Have you noticed that so far everybody is Introvert? No Extroverts among Outcasts:D Well except for Kaili, who used to be one:)
Extravert turned introvert. ;) Well...I don't know. I still think I have an extraverted personality. I love people. All kinds (or almost all kinds) of people. I love their habits and their quirks and their emotions and the strange things they do and why they do them. I love making people happy. And other people's emotions rub off on me. Can't remember if I've said this before...but when I watch weight loss commercials, they make me so happy, because the people in them look so happy...like their lives have somehow been dramatically changed through the loss of a few pounds. I don't know...it's crazy...:rolleyes:

Anyway, as much as I love people, I do think I'm an introvert at heart. I've become a lot more introspective this past year. And I've started looking inside myself more than I look at other people. I think, in the end, that's how introverts and extraverts differentiate.

Jam, I think you're a superficial extravert. ;) Or that's the feeling I get, anyway, after reading your past posts. You put on a facade and make people think you're an extravert...but inside your thoughts are more introvert centered. *Shrugs* I don't know, that's just my take on it, maybe I'm totally off base...:rolleyes:

[Rhiannon]

I am an introvert, hands down, no question.

[The-Elf-Herself]

No, you're pretty close to it. Read this thing on my type, anENTP (http://209.15.29.56/myersbriggs/entp.htm). Particularly this part:

Despite being extroverted which would seemingly make them easy to get to know, in reality ENTP's are difficult to get to know for their personality structure is characteristically complex and, at times, even hidden from view. This may be a hiding skill that was developed when young. Being of abstract thought (only 15% of the population) they were surrounded by other children who thought differently (had more concrete thought - 85% of the population) than the ENTP did, the ENTP feels isolated from their young companions. However, they also have a need to be extroverted, to be around other people. This places the ENTP youth in a difficult paradoxical position, on one hand, the need to find others with rare abstract thought versus the need to socialize with the available people. Thus they have the skill where they appear to be easy to get to know, but in reality, they hide their more complex, abstract, characteristics and reveal them only to their most trusted relationships.

Sums everything up perfectly. Except I also reveal that part online, where there's other abstract thinkers.

[YayGollum]

See why I like that test? If anybody else finds another superly cool and flattering thing like that, stick it in here. Anyways, okay, fine. I'll go look at the other little explanations.

[Lossengondiel]

Oooooohh, too much to put here. But mostly I would like self-esteem, and the ability to be myself more often, and HAVE THE STUPID TALENT FOR TALKING TO GUYS

[YayGollum]

*cringes* Well, I thought about leaving it at that, but that would be annoying. oh well. Let me see here. Ack! Why are so many people worried about that kind of thing? Why don't you have self-esteem? Why aren't you yourself more often? What's so hard about talking to anyone? sorry for the confusion. Explain things to me. I'm an evil person.

[Dragon]

well, try to think of it this way....talking to guys is just like talking to girls, in a friendly way, like....you want to be friends....the onnly reasons you have to like somebody b4 u've actually talked to them is if they're pretty.....and ....well, that doesn't count 4 much to me....and if your liking them is based on your already talking to them, well, then....you've already talked to them!!! wowness!!! doesn't that make all sorts of sense? I just think you should never approach someone with the sole purpose of having a boy-girl relationship instead of a friend-friend relationship

Jam, I think you're a superficial extravert.

K, did you mean "superficial introvert"?thats just superly confusingish to me

wel, I think I am both a extrovert and an introvert, but a lot of that stuff had funny things like "at parties..." or "around large groups of people..." and I dont spend a lot in large groups because I dont know a large amount of people... *goes to a very small school*

yesness, yay, I liked this test, it was mostly right....but when you dont have a fixed personality......:rolleyes: according to other people, it was , well, exactly right...:cool: <---coolness

[Annushka]

Originally posted by Kailita
Extravert turned introvert. ;) Well...I don't know. I still think I have an extraverted personality. I love people. All kinds (or almost all kinds) of people. I love their habits and their quirks and their emotions and the strange things they do and why they do them. I love making people happy. And other people's emotions rub off on me. Anyway, as much as I love people, I do think I'm an introvert at heart. I've become a lot more introspective this past year. And I've started looking inside myself more than I look at other people. I think, in the end, that's how introverts and extraverts differentiate.

Jam, I think you're a superficial extravert. ;) Or that's the feeling I get, anyway, after reading your past posts. You put on a facade and make people think you're an extravert...but inside your thoughts are more introvert centered. *Shrugs* I don't know, that's just my take on it, maybe I'm totally off base...:rolleyes:


Does being an Introvert mean that you don`t like people? Maybe! But I can`t answer that question myself. I used to think that a human being is the most amasing creater of Nature. But now I sometimes get so very disappointed. There are so many disgusting things in people. Our need to destroy everything bla-bla-bla. Anyway.

To tell the truth I also had the impression that Jam is an Introvert. You know what`s funny? The quote you gave could be all about me. Altough I`m definately not an Extravert:D

Yay, if it was as easy to have high self-esteem as you say there would be no one around complaining about that. It always depends on the most stupid things:(

D. there is a very good saying that I can`t translate which has the same point as your post:) But I didn`t understand why you should NOT approach somebody having in mind b/g relationship?


:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[The-Elf-Herself]

Yeah, well that quote sums everything up for me. I couldn't have said it any better. To paraphrase, I basically hide my cooler, abstract traits so I can fit in around people because somehow a part of me likes to be around people, lots of people. Here that's not a problem, so I show my introverted part more. Believe me, if you saw me in a crowd, I would look totally at home, even if I wasn't. Yeah, a superficial extrovert, but not always, because I do genuinely like being around people, messing with their heads, I'm a completely different person. So I'm both, I have the best of both worlds, but I also have to deal with the shocked looks of people who've only seen one side of me or the other. As I've said before, gets highly annoying.

Hmm, as someone who has never had trouble with self-esteem, I have to side with Yay on this one. I don't get how someone could get mad at themselves for the "stupid things". Oh well, you mess up, you try to fix it and you move one. If it takes longer to fix it, so be it, but it's not like you can change the event. And I've never had problems talking to people, so I guess I'm just wondering how anyone could not be themselves. It's kind of just something you are, if you try to hide it it'll always sneak out, so why bother?

[Dragon]

hmmm....well, I think that you you approach someone with ONLY a b/g relationship in mind, then if you mess it up, you wont be able to be friends wiht them.... I think its ok to approach someone just because they're interesting and not care what sort of relationship you get into with them, as long as you're not talking to them only as someone you want to have a b/g relationship.....



D. there is a very good saying that I can`t translate which has the same point as your post

which thing in my post r u referring to?

[kohaku]

My feelings of inadequacy are usually short lived, and I've always strived to accept my flaws and admit that I am not, and never will be, perfect. Having said that, there is one thing that I would like to change, and I have been working all my life to change it. I wish I had better social skills. I have so little in common with most people that it forms a barrier I am unable to cross. My boyfriend is like me in that respect, but he's so outgoing and sociable that he can find friends anywhere. I cannot, and I go through a lot of depression, anger, and loneliness because of it. I'll probably always be "the quiet girl" to people I don't know, I just wish I could be more sociable, enough so people I first meet will be more interested in getting to know me. I have also realized that what I lack comes naturally to other people, because few truly understand why I am the way I am, and nobody has yet adequately explained what I need to do.

[YayGollum]

And you took that little test? oh well. sorry about that. Anyways, b/g relationship? Boyfriend slash girlfriend relationship? None of you should ever pay attention to those. Love is bad. Heartache is the worst kind of ache. Why risk it? just trying to help. Yes, I am a broken record. At least I'm a helpful one.

[Annushka]

which thing in my post r u referring to? [/B][/QUOTE]

The part where you talked about people wanting to talk to other people only because they are pretty.

Jam, I didn`t mean being angry for myself for some stupid things. I meant that someone`s self-esteem depends on stupid things. Like, 1 year ago I lost some weight. And my self-esteem got much higher ONLY because of that. That`s not fair. My self-esteem which plays a big role, depends on a few pounds:(:( If I ever get them back (which will never happen) there`s a chance that I`ll feel as vulnarable as before. Isn`t that awful:( I really hate the society for making those stick-a-like women the standard:mad:

Hey, kohaku, basically I understand what you mean. But I think that only the fact that you have almost nothing in common with the rest of the people is great. You are not from the majority and that`s a big deal:)

[Dragon]

ah yes, the prettiness.....I think its silly that people judge others on prettiiness, because you can't control how pretty you are, unless you have all sorts of crasy money and get plastic surgery and yadda yadda because that looks like exactly what it is, fake. you are born with all the stuff that will make your appearance, and you can help take care of yourself, like taking baths and washing your face, but you cant really make yourself prettier, so prettiness has nothing to do with who YOU are. which is even sillier, because almost everyone who isn't pretty finds themselves wishing they could be prettier at least once in the'r lives, including me, who has just explained all this nonsense to you...:eek: :eek: :eek: wacky, isn't it? I think everyone should be pretty, or everyone should be ugly, so that it would be easier to judge peoples personalities

kohaku; you dont have to have something in common with someone to be able to carry on a conversation with them, you just have to interest them, or be interested in them, I personally am interested in the fact that you have so many pets, and dont you breed fish? craziness, but coolness at the same time

[YayGollum]

Yikes, scary Annushka person! Is there any reason you can toss at me that might help me explain you crazy people that try to look the way that's popular at the time? Anyways, sure, Yay for this Dragon person! Pay attention!

[Annushka]

I`ve never tried to look like the popular people, scary Yay person! I just lost some weight and realised that my confidence by some crazy reason grew. Maybe because most people are disgustingly shallow. But I`m not. I`ve never been and I`ll never be:D

[Kailita]

Originally posted by Dragon
ah yes, the prettiness.....I think its silly that people judge others on prettiiness, because you can't control how pretty you are, unless you have all sorts of crasy money and get plastic surgery and yadda yadda because that looks like exactly what it is, fake. you are born with all the stuff that will make your appearance, and you can help take care of yourself, like taking baths and washing your face, but you cant really make yourself prettier, so prettiness has nothing to do with who YOU are. which is even sillier, because almost everyone who isn't pretty finds themselves wishing they could be prettier at least once in the'r lives, including me, who has just explained all this nonsense to you...wacky, isn't it? I think everyone should be pretty, or everyone should be ugly, so that it would be easier to judge peoples personalities
Exactly! Exactly exactly exactly! Oooohh! *Jumps around* This is one of my soapboxes! I've been trying to explain this to people for years! Cheers for you, D! Cheers for acting blind and loving people for their personalities and not the outward appearances that they can't help!

That is one of the reasons why I hate storybook princesses. My mom hates it that I don't absolutely love Cinderella like she does. But the whole thing is based on looks! Sure, she was sweet and kind, too. But she meets this prince, dances with him for a few hours, then decides that he's the love of her life and she must marry him. :confused: Ugh. Same with Snow White. Same with Rapunzel. Yuck. Beauty and the Beast is the only good one. She loves him when he's still a hideous monster. That's cool.

Yes Jam, I thought that paragraph from the test was perfectly you. Introverts don't necessarily dislike people, Annushka. They just feel more comfortable when they're not with tons of people. Extraverts get energy from being with people. Introverts get energy from being by themselves.

[YayGollum]

Hm. Your confidence grew for some crazy reason. Sounds scary to me. Why did it grow? *runs away* oh well. Got it. You could care less about the popular people. Anyways, sure, Yay for Beauty And The Beast! Good music, right? :rolleyes:

[Annushka]

Originally posted by Kailita
Exactly! Exactly exactly exactly! Oooohh! *Jumps around* This is one of my soapboxes! I've been trying to explain this to people for years! Cheers for you, D! Cheers for acting blind and loving people for their personalities and not the outward appearances that they can't help!

That is one of the reasons why I hate storybook princesses. My mom hates it that I don't absolutely love Cinderella like she does. But the whole thing is based on looks! Sure, she was sweet and kind, too. But she meets this prince, dances with him for a few hours, then decides that he's the love of her life and she must marry him. :confused: Ugh. Same with Snow White. Same with Rapunzel. Yuck. Beauty and the Beast is the only good one. She loves him when he's still a hideous monster. That's cool.

Yes Jam, I thought that paragraph from the test was perfectly you. Introverts don't necessarily dislike people, Annushka. They just feel more comfortable when they're not with tons of people. Extraverts get energy from being with people. Introverts get energy from being by themselves.

That`s a great definition of Introverts- Extraverts. Who is Rapunzel:confused:

Yay, I certainly can try to explain that, but that would hardly make any sence to you, cause it makes little for me:D When you say -you could care less about the popular people- do you mean me? Cause if you do then I repeat: I don`t have the GOAL to be as any other person in the world. Thank you very much. But I`m absolutely sure that the self-esteem depends on the secondary things. Then why happens that smart, interesting people who have something inside of them, suffer from that problem? Well, I don`t. Now I feel stupid cause I have no idea what I`m trying to convience you:( That I`m not shallow? But I`m NOT. Please stop torturing me:) I don`t like showing my weak sides. That makes me nervous. And that`s exactly what I`m doing now:(

[YayGollum]

Rapunzel = Some crazy lady that was stuck in some crazy tower by some evil witch lady and grew some really long hair so people could climb on it.

Anyways, Yikes! Scary Annushka person, I was saying Yay for you not caring about the popular people. I never that thought you were especially shallow. I don't know too many people over here well enough to say that. just wondering why you thought your confidence grew. Looks like you don't know. oh well. Not a huge deal. *hides*

[Kailita]

Yikes! Annushka, you don't know about Rapunzel? Well...I would say poor you, but it really isn't much of a loss. :rolleyes:

Basically, Rapunzel was, as Yay said, a princess who was trapped in a tower by an evil witch. There were no doors and only one window, and the witch would get up to the tower by climbing Rapunzel's superly long hair, which she would hang out the tower for the witch to climb up. (Stupid, wasn't she?) Anyway, this prince guy comes along and climbs up Rapunzel's hair and falls in love with her and...yeah, I don't know, from there the story line sort of falls apart. I think in the original story the witch found the prince and scratched out his eyes and sent him into the forest to wander. Ooh. Cool. :cool: *Thinks morbid thoughts...*

Originally posted by Annushka
But I`m absolutely sure that the self-esteem depends on the secondary things. Then why happens that smart, interesting people who have something inside of them, suffer from that problem?
That's very true. Maybe not for everyone - probably not for people like Jam and Yay - but I'd like to think that I'm smart and interesting (:rolleyes::)), and I know I suffer from low self-esteem sometimes. Partly because of the mean people around me (at school, mainly) who tear other people down to build themselves up. I try to ignore them...I know they're wrong...but it still hurts sometimes.

[Rhiannon]

Anyway, this prince guy comes along and climbs up Rapunzel's hair and falls in love with her and...yeah, I don't know, from there the story line sort of falls apart. I think in the original story the witch found the prince and scratched out his eyes and sent him into the forest to wander. Ooh. Cool. *Thinks morbid thoughts...*

The witch discovered that the prince was visiting Repunzel. Before he came again and took Repunzel away, the witch cut off Repunzel's hair and banished her to a desert far away. When the prince came and called 'Repunzel, Repunzel, let down your hair!' (her hair was how they got up the tower, you see), the witch let it down from a hook, and let it go when the prince was halfway up. His eyes were put out by thorns, and he wandered blind for many years, until one day he heard two children playing- they were the twins Repunzel had had, and when she cried over his eyes the tears healed them. The story doesn't say whether they stayed in the desert or returned to the prince's kingdom. *is fairy tale expert*

[Dragon]

yes, but you guys missed the beginning, which is known to few;

there was this couple who lived,well, sort of pretty close to a which, well, the woman was pregnant....well, one day the woman got sick, and she loved radishes for some reason (blech) and the husband wanted to give her radishes, but they didn't have any (she was....whats the word, fatally? sick) so he stole some from the witches garden....for about......three or four weeks. well, the witch caught him, and made him tell why he was stealing them, so he told her....the witch told him he could have the radishes, and that she would give him a potion to cure her, if they gave her the baby....well, she did, and the lady got better, and they were gonna hide the baby so the witch couldn't take her, but, you know, witch=magic, so she came and got the baby and named her rapunzel...well, turns out she was achingly beautiful(sp?) and the witch was jealous, so she stuck her in a tower in a totally remote(,right word?) place so no one else would be able to see her and compare them or something like that............. the rest, everyone else just said :D :rolleyes: :cool:

[YayGollum]

Yikes! Scary stuffs! Any other Outcast Type Changes you people want to talk about? *hides from people who hate jumping back to the real topic*

[Rhiannon]

I do know the beginning of Repunzel- repunzel is a kind of lettuce, not radish.

Fairy tales are fool of fun outcasts, Yay. I love all the new modern fairy tale retellings from the perspectives of things like the witch and the dwarves and all the minor characters that no one really knows about.

[YayGollum]

What modern retellings? I mean, Ack! This thread is for people to talk about insane changes they would like to make for themselves. Not for talking about fairy tales. I would suggest the first guild of Outcasts thread, the random thread, and maybe the reality zoo. My first guild of Outcasts had a thread called The Outcast's Library or something like that.

[Annushka]

Can I make just one reply? I heard the story about the girl with extremely long hair and her problems with old ugly ladies. But nothing concrete. Well I know much more about that. Rapunzel is kinda a strange name though.

[Rhiannon]

What modern retellings? I mean, Ack! This thread is for people to talk about insane changes they would like to make for themselves. Not for talking about fairy tales. I would suggest the first guild of Outcasts thread, the random thread, and maybe the reality zoo. My first guild of Outcasts had a thread called The Outcast's Library or something like that

Ah-ha, very good, getting straight to one of the things I wanted to ask, Yay- We need an Outcast Library thead! Rhian needs a place to talk about books or she gets skitzo, and that's not a pretty sight. She's already talking in the third person, see?

In the past 20 years or so there's been a 'fairy tale renaissance', headed by people like Ellen Datlow and Terri Windling, who go back to the original, un-Disneyfied, un-Victorian sanitized fairy tales, which are often dark, gory, and frightening, not to mention with sexual themes (I will never be able to read Little Red Riding Hood to a child again). Many authors have been taking these older stories and using them to write new, unconventional fairy stories- novel length examples are

Beauty: A Retelling of Beauty and the Beast
Rose Daughter
Spindle's End
Deerskin (most definintly NOT a book for children)
Outlaws of Sherwood by Robin McKinley

Zel
Beast
Spinners
Sirena by Donna Jo Napoli (there are more by her that I haven't read yet)

Just Ella by Margaret Haddix

The Enchanted Forest Chronicles (extremely humorous)
Dealing with Dragons
Searching for Dragons
Calling on Dragons
Talking to Dragons by Patricia C. Wrede

Just off the top of my head. There are many, many more; I've read a ton and there are lots I haven't read (yet). There are also many many short stories, most of them collected in Datlow & Windling's fairy tale anthologies- Silver Birch, Blood Moon et al.

Rapunzel is kinda a strange name though.

Yeah- the witch named her after the lettuce.

[Kailita]

Originally posted by Rhiannon
Ah-ha, very good, getting straight to one of the things I wanted to ask, Yay- We need an Outcast Library thead! Rhian needs a place to talk about books or she gets skitzo, and that's not a pretty sight. She's already talking in the third person, see?

Oh yes! Oh yes oh yes oh yes! Outcast Library thread! :D Definitely. If we can have a thread about all the weird things we've eaten (:confused::rolleyes::o) then we should most certainly have a library thread, unless someone can come up with a solid reason why we shouldn't. That way we wouldn't have to go all off-topic on you, Yay! ;)

[The-Elf-Herself]

Huzzah! That is definitely needed! Oh, you're horrible Rhian! Now in addition to reading the Discworld series, a huge bunch of Shakespearean plays, some boring history books, and a buunch of mystery scifi, now I've got to read THOSE books! I love fairy tale retellings, especially good ones. Huzzah for Gail Carson Levine's Ella Enchanted and the Two Princesses of Bamarre!

[Rhiannon]

Have you not read McKinley before? RUN DON'T WALK! Go! Faster!

[YayGollum]

You know, it is possible for you people to start your own threads. No rules against that. oh well. Sure thing. I shall now create the new thread. Talk about Outcast Type Changes that you might like in here.

[Rhiannon]

I just went and made one, Yay- I tried earlier but the thunder storm made my friend's computer spontaneously explode.

So anyway, I wish I were better at talking to people I don't know, because I tailed this poor man all through Barnes & Noble yesterday- first he was in the Fantasy, then he was in the Teen, and the YA, and I followed him around and willed him pick up my authors. I think I finally scared him out of the store.

[Dragon]

heheh, that's terrible, rhi...:rolleyes:

yay will be mad, but oh well....how are the enchanted forest chronicles fairy tale retellings?...(I'm sure I'll understand once you tell me, and feel infinitely stupid, but it has to happen sometime):rolleyes:

I wish I could stop being so fair....or at least find ways of saying things so that people wont get mad at me when I point out that they cheated or screwed up:rolleyes: :( :rolleyes:

[YayGollum]

If it's any consolation, no, you're not fair. I ask people to post in the threads they're supposed to be posting in and they keep acting crazy. oh well. :rolleyes: Anyways, Rhiannon person, I've never actually followed somebody around in a book store, but if I happened to notice them checking out books that I know about, I gots to start up a conversation. Not too many actually care about the books, though, and run away. :eek: :rolleyes:

[The-Elf-Herself]

Yeah, that happened to me at a booksale the other day. I was looking through the science fiction section and all of a sudden this guy that looked to be about fifty comes up and starts recommending all this books by Isaac Asimov and these other people. He was actually pretty nice, apparently his wife doesn't share his interest, she doesn't like science fiction(I was tempted to ask him why he married her then, but I restrained myself). Anyways, he ended up giving me the money to buy this one book. It was crazy, we were complete strangers. I guess he liked to encourage future generations of science fiction fans, I dunno.

[Rhiannon]

The world needs people like that! My behavior in bookstores is nothing short of shocking. I fondle the books, I make stacks of them, I crawl around on the floor to get to the lower shelves, I make hissing noises at people who get in my way....I'm much worse in used bookstores, actually.

yay will be mad, but oh well....how are the enchanted forest chronicles fairy tale retellings?...(I'm sure I'll understand once you tell me, and feel infinitely stupid, but it has to happen sometime)

They aren't so much retellings as they are extremely well done spoofs- fairy tale conventions flipped around, etc. The first book is about Cimorene, an unconventional princess who likes doing everything princesses aren't supposed to do (fencing, cooking, magic, juggling), so she runs away to become a dragon's princess- dragons don't eat princesses, they need them to keep house (cave?).

[Kailita]

Originally posted by Rhiannon
I just went and made one, Yay- I tried earlier but the thunder storm made my friend's computer spontaneously explode.
That's always fun. :rolleyes:

Oh, Rhi, you should have talked to the guy! I'm pretty good at talking to complete strangers...it's easy when you're pretty sure you'll never see them again. It's only hard when you're afraid that you'll make a fool of yourself and then have to see the person over and over and over for weeks afterwards (like in school situations).

Cheers for cool fiftyish men who give teenage girls money to buy books! I wish somebody would do that for me...

[YayGollum]

Got it. An Outcast Type Change was suggested for fifty year old dudes. Anyways, I'm afraid of this Rhiannon person now. oh well. Doobedoobedoo... okay, I would like to change in that I could accept any faults that I have so I could become better and write more stuff down in here. :rolleyes:

[Dragon]

If it's any consolation, no, you're not fair. I ask people to post in the threads they're supposed to be posting in and they keep acting crazy

there's a difference between being fair and following the rules:rolleyes:

rhi;I get the flipped around-ness of them....that's part of y I like them....and I always got all the shots at other fairy tales:rolleyes: :D funnyness....just never thought of it as modern fairy tale, just an awesome fantasy series...:rolleyes:

50-something people.....eh that would scare me......actually, anyone doing that would scare me....but then I am paranoid.... I would probably take the money and put it in between 2 books in the self-help section in case it explodes at any given moment (the self-help section, because I hat ethose things, and if it explodes I wouldn't want it to ruin any good books:rolleyes: )

[Rhiannon]

Anyways, I'm afraid of this Rhiannon person now. oh well.

You weren't before? Dang, I'm losing my touch.

[balrog]

balrog is back from vacation!

i vow not to visit near tornado alley in U.S. again....

:rolleyes: :cool: :rolleyes: :cool: :rolleyes: :cool: :rolleyes: :cool: :D

[YayGollum]

Why? It wasn't very fun? *wonders what else he could write in here since he doesn't need any more changes*

[Kailita]

Yay = Official Recycler of Threads
But that's a good thing. I mean, why let a thread become useless and go to waste when you can reuse it for something else?

Something I wish I could change ---> my geometry grade. So close to an A...so close! 89.9! And my &%#@ geometry teacher refuses to round up! Agh! Well...maybe I can manage to bring it up in a week...:o

[balrog]

I had a good time however the firsr week there was something like 400 tornadoes in surrounding states...a little un-nerving to be close to something so random in destruction!

Kalita...sound like your determination will prevail in getting that 'A' :)

[Dragon]

wait, uh....where'd u go?:confused:

[Kailita]

A little unnerving, Balrog? I'd be shaking in my socks! :eek::o

Originally posted by balrog
Kalita...sound like your determination will prevail in getting that 'A' :)
I certainly hope so. I got an A on the last math test, so...hope, hope, hope! Thanks for the support. :)

[Dragon]

come on, K, just think like this----->;

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I had to put the spaces, or it would look even funnier than it is:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[balrog]

Originally posted by Dragon
wait, uh....where'd u go?:confused:

I was in Sioux Falls South Dakota....and many of the tornadoes were just southwest, south and south east of there...too close for my liking!

[YayGollum]

This balrog person was the one that brought this thread back up, not me. oh well. Sure, I'll get to older threadses when I have time. Anyways, I've never run into any tornadoes. Doesn't sound like I'm missing any fun.

[Kailita]

OHMYGOSHNESS, D, IT WORKED!!! :D:D:D

I went into geometry today thinking "A A A A A A A A A A A" just like you said (;)), and then I cringed, crossed my fingers, and checked the grade list. 91.6! Yes! YES! :D:D *Dances about*

[YayGollum]

Since when is anything above a 90 called an A? That's not fair. It's a 94 over here. *sniff*

[Dragon]

so, 100s are best:rolleyes: , I just aim for those:rolleyes:

told u it would work!!!

yay!!!

*joins in dancing w/ K*