Languages Guild?

[Frodo Baggins]

You guys aught to start a "Guild of Linguists" (or something like that...), I'm certainly not qualified in languages enough to do so, but I imagine somebody here is. ;)

[YayGollum]

Oo! Sounds like fun! This is the second or third time it's come up! Who thinks we'd have enough interest to actually keep the thing around this time? I was the professor of Animalic, I think. :rolleyes:

[The_Swordmaster]

Yes thier used to be a guild like that it was called the Guild of Linguistics(sp.) Here is a link to the thread. Just click here. (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4661&perpage=15&pagenumber=13)

It seemed to die a number of times. But I will help remake it if anyone else is interested.

[Zale]

Ahem. After proposing a new Guild, I sort of lost interest. For a year. Well, I'll try not to do that again, and let me ask again:

If a Guild of Linguistics were to be started (by me or otherwise), how many people would be interested in joining? (I probably wouldn't have time to be a worthy head of such a guild.)

[Niniel]

I would be interested to join! I've always been interested in languages, so I guess it would be the right place for me:)

[Lantarion]

I would be more than willing to join..
But how do you think it would be handled? The Prancing Pony might be changed into the Writers' Guild.. So would the Languages Guild be a part of the GoW, or would we really need a seperate Guild for the Languagse and Tongues?

[The_Swordmaster]

I am would help make this guild get off the ground.

Well I think the guild could be on its own. If we have people who are close to fluent in any of Tolkien's languages thay could be a professeror a teacher in the guild. The teachers or professors could hold classes to teach other members in the guild to speak that language. It would be a teaching guild. Someone could be a professor at Quenya or Sinadrin then they make a thread and hold a class for those interested. Similar to Heren Istarion, but we would teach languages not RPing.

That's just my idea for the guild.

[Zale]

Ah, but this would be a guild for linguistics, not for teaching Tolkien's languages. Someone who knew a lot about them would certainly be helpful, but not necessarily to teach.
So, so far we have 3 people interested (plus me). Anyone else?

[YayGollum]

I hope that I'm one of the three you're talking about. You should know that I'm all for lost causes. :D I still get to be the professor of Animalic, right? It's not like it's a very formal thing.

[Frodo Baggins]

You can, of course, count me in... :D

[Zale]

That makes six:

YayGollum
Lantarion
Frodo Baggins
The_Swordmaster
Niniel
Me

The question is: is that enough to justify a whole new Guild? More importantly, with just 6 people to keep it alive, would the Guild just die?

[YayGollum]

Dude, we could always just start the thing in that little section for guilds that aren't real guilds yet. Know what I mean? We might just get more interest then. Yay for still having this thread to recruit, right?

[Lantarion]

Or perhaps we could start it just within the Prancing Pony? After all, the GoW is housed there as well, and there have been no problems with that..
But I suggest that in all the titles of threads that pertain to the Guild of Languages should have the prefix "GoL:" and then the name of the thread (e.g. GoL: Your Favourite Language(s)), to avoid confusion. But as was stated, I think the GoL should deal only very little in Tolkien's languages, because all questions or things about them are to be posted in the forum "Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth".

So what do you all say? If somebody wants to start a thread about a language, please do so: but in the Prancing Pony. And I think that in order to post a thread with the name "GoL" the member should be a member of the Guild, which shouldn't be a problem. :)
But let's wait until everybody involved says their opinion: if it is positive, I'll start a thread called "Guild of Languages: Info and Member List".

PS: This thread has now been moved from the "Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth" forum to the Prancing Pony.

[Raithnait]

I want to join! I love languages! so fun...

[Lossengondiel]

I'll join. just pm me and let me know how i can help!

[Zale]

Alright. This thread being moved confused me at first (long day), but I've recovered now.
I think you're right about starting it in the Prancing Pony. That way, if it just dies (as if), not too much Mod time will have been wasted.
Do we need a Guild hierarchy?
Raithnait, you are welcome to join (if that's my prerogative). We now have 7. (The magic number...)

[YayGollum]

I don't get why it's going into that Prancing Pony section. Here's the little description. ---> Stories, poetry, music, and other quality fare. How does that have anything to do with learning and having all kinds of fun with Tolkien's crazy and made up languages? oh well. What's wrong with sticking it in that little section for things that aren't real guilds yet so we can wait for our own little section? Or just keeping these threads in the language section?

[Zale]

The Languages section is for Tolkien's languages.
I don't see anything wrong with the not-quite-fully-fledged-guilds-yet folder myself.
But does it really matter where it is, as long as we all know?

[YayGollum]

Right. The language section is for Tolkien's languages. I agree. So is the guild we're talking about. Anyways, no, I wouldn't especially mind if this was in any section. Doesn't matter too much. I'm just wondering why it's been put in this section. You know. Explanations are good. oh well. just idle curiosity. Do the little summaries of sections need to be changed?

[Zale]

My original intent for this future Guild was that it should be for languages invented (or on the way to invention) by the members. Comparaisons to Tolkien's languages (or indeed any other) would be welcome but not essential. After all, he is the role model here.
However, I'm now unsure as to whether there would be enough people interested in joining and whether their interest would be sustained over a long period of time and the Guild would die.
If the Guild were to be created, I would not mind either which section it would be put in (but the "Other Guilds..." one would probably be most appropriate).

[YayGollum]

Oh, okay. I didn't know that it would be able people that like to make up their own languages. Yes, staying here or the other guilds section would work until we could get our own little section. I think it'd be cool if we let people talk about Tolkien's made up languages, but oh well. Are people losing interest again? This idea seems to be cursed. :rolleyes:

[Lantarion]

I don't think we need a seperate Guild for Tolkien's languages, Yay. It already has its own forum! :)
But I do agree that the description of the PP would not let Guests or new Members (or just people who don't know aobut the GoL) understand that it is where the GoL is being 'hosted'.. Perhaps we might change it to something more fitting, that would emphasize the use of language and imagination, i.e. writing (stories, poems, languages, etc.), reading (reading things other people have written, or telling others abuot books they have read; then perhaps discussing them), inventing (the languages, of course, and stories, poems, and such), and the like..
In fact, if you or anybody else here feels that the current description for the Prancing Pony is not entirely encompassing or fitting, I'm sure WM or others would like to hear your suggestions. :)

PS: Just to clarify, I think that the GoL would not be an 'actual' Guild, in the sense that it would have its own forum; my idea is that it could be a 'branch' of the Guild of Writers, which itself is located in the PP. But (and this is important :)) I still think that to avoid confusion, and to let people know in what context the subject of a thread is persented, the letters GoL would have to be included in the title of a thread dealing with languages in particular.

[reem]

hmm...well it all sounds pretty interesting, but so far i've seen varied definitions of what the GoL is going to encompass...either way i'd like to join and see where all this leads. count me in:)
reem

[Lantarion]

Well, it isn't actuallly a very active guild.. More like a hypothetical discussion group. :rolleyes:
But if somebody wants to start a language-related discussion, or ask a language-related question, I'd appreciate it if they put the 'GoL' tag in front of the title. (Because I'll just edit it in anyway, buahaha :D)

[Kelonus]

Sounds interesting. I would like to learn elvish.

[Lantarion]

Well for that we have the Languages of Middle-earth forum.. ;)

[reem]

so what languages will we be disscussing, exactly? normal ones or make believe ones or tolkien ones or what?
reem

[Lantarion]

I was thinking both, to make it more interesting.

[reem]

:D then i vote for Irish!! or anything remotely conected to the Celts:p that would defanitely get my vote!!;):p
reem

[Lantarion]

Alright! If you want, you can start a thread about the Celtic languages (is Cymri on of them? :confused:), and as long as you supply us with links to enough information about them we could start a discussion going. :)

[Ol'gaffer]

oooh, ooh, can we start a thread on the Finnish language?

[reem]

Originally posted by Lantarion
Alright! If you want, you can start a thread about the Celtic languages (is Cymri on of them? :confused:), and as long as you supply us with links to enough information about them we could start a discussion going. :)

:)i think i can manage that! do i start one here in the Prancing pony?
reem

[Lantarion]

Dang this thread hasn't been touched for a while.. Neither has this 'guild'. :rolleyes:
The current thread here in the Guild of Writers, 'Languages-the Sequel', falls under the 'jurisdiction' of the GoL.. I think I'll add the 'GoL' to the title actually.
And Gaffer you never did start a thread on the Finnish language! That would be awesome. Or indeed, a thread where each person's own native language (its etymology, vocabulary and history) could all be discussed.

[reem]

Or indeed, a thread where each person's own native language (its etymology, vocabulary and history) could all be discussed.

That's a great idea:) I've got more time now on my hands and I don't mind contributing on something I actually know about.
reem

[Zale]

In a couple of weeks I'll have time to contribute as well, which I would love to do.

[e.Blackstar]

:D then i vote for Irish!! or anything remotely conected to the Celts:p that would defanitely get my vote!!;):p
reem

Yes yes yes yes!!!!