The Harry Potter Society ***SPOILERS***

[celebdraug]

sorry violet! we havent seen you for a while and i thought you had left us! :( :p :D But now you are back! YAY :D
They arent working fer me now! i think they might have changes the address or something! i see if i an find them again! :)

[celebdraug]

hello smeagol! nice to see the creater back! will you be staying with us now?

what do you all say to a harry potter triva? :)

[celebdraug]

are the attachments working?

[Legolas_lover12]

hey sorry i was sick for a whole week. :( oh well yah niether one of the links worked. anyone who wasted all that money seeing ROTK is stupid thats like ...465 dollars. lol i've seen it 5 and im gonna wait till it comes to the dollar theater. yah i guess we could do an HP trivia thing. :)

[celebdraug]

hope youre better.
well, do ytou want to start?
and anyone can join in right?

[Legolas_lover12]

well i dont really remember much coz i havent read it in forever. and i really dun kno whta to ask so ...you start! :) lol

[Roilya]

well, my computer is broken, so thats why i havent been posting lately. i think a hp trivia would be fun, so ill just chime in whenever i can get to a working computer.

[smeagol444]

hello smeagol! nice to see the creater back! will you be staying with us now?

what do you all say to a harry potter triva? :)

thankyou kindly! i'll try to pop in as much as possible, because its fun, but i just started school after a five week break and the teachers are being positively wicked and making us do alot so i'm really busy. a trivia sounds splendid. i'm also very depressed at present because a tree down the road that belongs to no one but me got chopped down by the stupid council, and it was my childhood and my favourite place in the world. i'm sad. :(

[celebdraug]

hi guys! aww smeagol, sorry about the tree.
Royila, nice to see you after a long time :)

Do you want me to ask the first question then?

[Roilya]

sure ask away, im not really good at questions but i am at the answers.

[smeagol444]

i know i'm being really annoying, and i promise to participate in the trivia but first everyone look i finally got an avatar!! i am a lazy mule. look at my avatar everyone! mmwhahaha. :p

[celebdraug]

yeah, i have seen it, v.cool. :)

okay, we'll start of with some easy questions. :)

okay...name all the Weasly children, starting with the eldest first.

[Roilya]

okay, we'll start of with some easy questions. :)

okay...name all the Weasly children, starting with the eldest first.

im just trying this off the top of my head: Bill, Charlie, Percy, Fred, George(dont know exactly who came first.), Ron, and Genny.

[celebdraug]

yeah!

Genny is spelt 'Ginny':)

so do you want to ask the nexy question, or shall i be the quis mistress all the way through?

[Roilya]

o srry, i thought something was wrong. go ahead and ask the next question, im going to be gone for the weekend(going camping).

[VioletFalcon129]

Can i join in? *feeling stupid* I should have before... Oh well! I want to do the trivia or whatever it is now!

[celebdraug]

sure you can join in with us all!

Roilya, we'll see you in a week then?

Okay, next question:

how many teachers helped to gaurd the socerers (sp) stone? :D
For a bonus point mame the teachers.

[smeagol444]

um i haven't read this one for a while so forgive me if i get this hopelessly wrong:
proffessor sprout,professor flitwick, professor snape, hagrid sort of with fluffy,but he probably doesn't count i'm not sure because he isn't a teacher, professor mcgonagall, and i'm not sure if quirrell was supposed to be helping but didn't, for obvious reasons..so count em up! i'm sure i got that all horribly wrong... :(

[celebdraug]

proffessor sprout
professor flitwick
professor snape
hagrid (tho he was not really a teacher...)
professor mcgonagall


you forgot someone.....

[Roilya]

is it Dumbledore?

[celebdraug]

yeah!

(BTW would you guys like to have teams...?)

for the next question, what was the second task in the triwizard tournament?

:D

[Holdwine]

the second task in the triwizard tournament is the mer people in lake where they stole somebody close to you and you had one hour to save them

[laurelindorenan]

Hey, is there an order or can you just randomly answer? Is there a quizmaster who sets the questions? I dont want to barge in and just start setting questions...

[Holdwine]

i dont think anybody would mind if you start setting questions and ya its randomly answered

[celebdraug]

Questions are randomly answered! it's just for fun so just enjoy it! :)

Holdwine, that is the right answer!

Well, i thought i could be the quiz mistress (if no one does really mind) but i wouldnt mind if other member could ask questions if i have not been online for a while....

Is that okay with everyone, or would you like to make some changes?

[Roilya]

i kinda liked the whole teams idea, if we could set something up it would be kinda cool. if not u can be the quiz mistress Celebdraug.

[celebdraug]

i kinda liked the whole teams idea, if we could set something up it would be kinda cool. if not u can be the quiz mistress Celebdraug.

Okay, so if you want teams...these are the members we have, and its an even number! If anyone wants to join in, just post and i'll add you in.

Roilya
smeagol444
VioletFalcon129
Holdwine
laurelindorenan
Celebdraug :D

Team 1
VioletFalcon129
Holdwine
Celebdraug

Team 2
Roilya
smeagol444
laurelindorenan

I have tried to enen out the teams with the new members and some of the old ones! Any objections :confused:

Or shall we start?
Team 2 can start posting frist if they want....

[Roilya]

im not to good at asking the questions, so if anybody on my team wants the can go right ahead. if not, team 1 you can fire away.

[celebdraug]

Guys, im not going to be here for about a week, sorry! :(

okay, i'll post the question...its quite easy!

From the 5th book:
Who sent Harry's aunt the howler and what did it say?

[Holdwine]

Ok this is right off of my head because i barely remember but i beleave Dumbledore sent the howler teller Aunt Petunia not to let Harry leave the house for any reason because he is trying to talk to the department of underage wizardery that harry did it in self-defense and should not have his wond broken.

[celebdraug]

you got it! But you werent ment to answer it!

youre up next!

[Samwise_hero]

man has it been a long time since i've been here....... this place is so different. hi to all who remember me by the way.....*shakes head* wooo....

[celebdraug]

Hi!
i dont think i've seen you before, but hi! :D

want to join in? ;)

[Samwise_hero]

Yeah i would like to join in again. thanks. i don't know why i left this place to start off with. i was at another forum but it's just gone to the pits so..... i'm home! :) so what's happening around here?
Btw if you look back to the beginning of the thread you can see me, well my posts from ages ago.

[Warrior93]

Hi can I join a Team?

[Warrior93]

Who did Harry Kiss(Two People)?

[ingolmo]

I'll just take this occasion to WISH A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO J.K.ROWLING and HARRY POTTER! :D :D

To Joanne Kathleene Rowling, the opportunist who wrote, and to Harry Potter, the Boy who Lived! :D

[VioletFalcon129]

ACH! I thought this thing died!

Dang, I'm slow...

Okay, what's going on?

I know you lot have read the 6th book by now!

On that topic...

WHAT THE HECK IS UP WITH THE FLUER AND BILL DEAL?!?

They're great as a fling and all, but MARRIGE? Nooooooooo

Bill is mine

for eternity.

Happy b-day Scar Head and his maker! :D

-Vi

[e.Blackstar]

*sneaks in* Okay, this may be a dumb question and/or may have already been broached, but IS SNAPE REALLY EVIL? What do you all think?

Like, yeah he killed dumbledore but D. was going to die anyway, Snape had made an unbreakable vow, and by snape killing D. he ensured his continuing position in Voldemort's ranks. Without D. his position at Hogwarts probably would have been comprimised anyway, so...

what do you guys think? Whose side is he on?

[Warrior93]

WHAT THE HECK IS UP WITH THE FLUER AND BILL DEAL?!?

Thats what I said.

I think Snape is gonna have a big part again in the next book. He has a good side somewhere in him.

[VioletFalcon129]

I saw in some magazine the two opposing sides on the Snape issue.
they both presented facts. I shall do my best to replicate them:

the side that says Sev is evil:

-He's a good occlumens. Dumbldor douldn't know what side he's on for sure.

-He killed D.

-He made all his excuses for his goodness to Bella and Cissy

-He never really crossed over from the evil, he was just a spy pretending to be a spy so he could spy

-Harry's been saying it all along

The one's who say Sev's good:

-He made the vow, he had to kill D.

-He was just pretending to be on Voldy's side, like he said

-D. was asking Sev to kill him, not begging for his life

-Even when fighting Harry he gave him good advice (something about wordless spells I think)

I know there was more than that, but that's all I could remeber.

I think Snape should be good. Better for his character.

Or undecided. He was playing double agent to weigh which side was better, and telling each side what they needed to know, so he could choose a side and be on the winning team no matter what the outcome.
(run-ons are our friends :D )

But that's just speculation. I hope he's a goody. I love his character.

I think we all know the reason Fluer stayed w/ Bill after he was mauled. I am to polite to say it, however. (See, mods, I am good person.) But I think you can guess ;)

-Vi

[e.Blackstar]

-D. was asking Sev to kill him, not begging for his life



Ooh, I actually hadn't thought of that. But even without the unbreakable vow, I think good Severus would've killed him...he would die anyway, at the hands of ONE of the death eaters, right, so Snape might as well preserve his credibility with them...after all, his good credit was shot all to pieces anyway. If that made sense... :o :)

[Eledhwen]

Both Dumbledore and Snape are accomplished Legilimens'. However, the dialogue between them was from Harry's point of view, so He could not see whether a 'mind' conversation was also taking place. We may find out in the next book.

[AraCelebEarwen]

(I would feel silly putting this in the rant thread, so here it is...)

*Takes a deep breath* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARG!!!!! !!!!! *snort*

:mad: :( :o :) :D What a book! JO!? HOW COULD YOU!?!!!! :eek: :p

[Eledhwen]

(I would feel silly putting this in the rant thread, so here it is...)

*Takes a deep breath* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARGARG!!!!! !!!!! *snort*

:mad: :( :o :) :D What a book! JO!? HOW COULD YOU!?!!!! :eek: :pSo, is that a 'for' or 'against'?

[AraCelebEarwen]

:o oh, sorry... I liked it, I really did! But, arg! :( ;)

I just finished it right before I posted that last night. I HAD to let it out!!! :eek: :D

And as far as HOW Sev killed D... Did we hear one thing when really it was another spell!? I mean, how often have we seen the 'A.D.' curse and has it EVER 'tossed someone over a wall'?!?

Sev is a far too interesting character. We only just found some things out about his past for goodness sake! I hope to think I will not be far off in saying the I think D trusted him FOR THIS as well as other things! D had wanted to die!

And look at how mad Sev was when Harry tried to stop him!!! He HATED that Harry called him a coward! This had to have been the bravest thing Sev ever did though!

I really need to go read what's been going on in this thread, now that I can! ;) :D

[Rosalee LuAnn]

For those of you that might be interested, someone has made a site at www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com (http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com/) that you might want to look at. (Has someone already posted this? I haven't had time to read over this whole thread.) Some of the stuff looks like this person is just desparate for him to be alive, but some of it had a bit credibility. I still think he's dead, though.

And I'm another one for Snape being a good guy. Never mind evidence from the book, just think of him as a character. As a good character, hes interesting because he doesn't act good (all the 'hate Harry' and favoring the Slytherins stuff). If he's bad, his 'interesting-ness' as a character completely dies; he's just all the way bad, and thats alot less interesting.

[VioletFalcon129]

Argh because of what, A.C.E.? The loss of substance in writing style? Sev's apparent evil? D's demise?

D. is so dead. Get we need to get over it. Touching funeral is was clue to finality.

Now, trying to convince world SIRIUS lives is an entire nother mater. Sirius much to hot to die. (relvance is questionalbe, I know...)

The thing on Sev's character:

I KNOW MAN!!!

I adore him. How he's got what I like to call "Post Traumatic Highschool Disorder". How he cannot STAND a boy who looks just like his worst school tormentor. How he favours his house and is venemous. Eeeeeeeeeeee!!!

Okay, no, I am not an obsesesd Snape fangirl.

You know, those people who think he's so hot (the way they imagine him). NO. He would be good looking, at least somewhat, but not gorgoues. He's greasy. Awesome, but greasy. One of my fav. characters.

-Vi

[Warrior93]

Snivellus!

[Rosalee LuAnn]

Sirius is soooo dead. Same as Dumbledore. D-E-A-D spells dead. (No, ya think? ;))

[e.Blackstar]

I can only agree, Rosie.

Sirius=dead

Dumbledore=just as dead

:p

[VioletFalcon129]

Don't remind me!!!!!

CAN'T A GIRL DREAM?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!

I WANT MY SIRI-CHAN TO LIIIIIVVVEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(sorry carried away)

He fell behind a whimpy curtain! How can she NOT bring him back?!

He was waayyyyyyyyyyy too awesome to die!

What was meant by "Snivellus"?

At any rate- ROCK ON GREASY LAME SLYTHERIN PERSON OF NO FRIENDS!!!!!!

I was once the same as you.

*bows to Snivellu-er... Professor Snape*

And if Sirius IS dead, that still doesn't mean I LIKE it.

-Vi

[Eledhwen]

I can only agree, Rosie.

Sirius=dead

Dumbledore=just as dead

:pYes, but is Regalus dead? And what's his middle name?

Can the plot stand any more polyjoice potion, I wonder? :rolleyes:

[AraCelebEarwen]

Can the plot stand any more polyjoice potion, I wonder? :rolleyes:

*snickers* That's one of the things I've been wondering. :cool:

Oh. The "arg"? That's cuz I really liked the book and just wish I hadn't been right in knowing that D would have to bite it. :p (among other things about other people ;) )

[e.Blackstar]

Can the plot stand any more polyjoice potion, I wonder? :rolleyes:

No, definately not. :mad:

[VioletFalcon129]

The thing about Regulus- he doesn't have to be alive to be the one to have stolen the horcrux locket, you know. If that's what you mean. (In which case I no longer feel so special about guessing that. :rolleyes: ). He could have definately done it before he had his bucket kicked. Though I must say, if he is alive, I do hope it's not another Crouch. But then again, if it's not him, I'll be kinda pissed that I guessed wrong.

-Vi

[Eledhwen]

Good point!

One has to wonder whether the Horcruxes were destroyed by RAB or simply relocated. I would suspect the latter, which would provide more of an "aaaargh! NOoooo!" situation at the end.

[Rosalee LuAnn]

Cosidering that JKR has given us alot of hints as to what will happen in later books (though not as much as some people seem to be giving her credit for), as well as mentioning minor characters before they become important (remember Sirius?) is there anyone else that could be R.A.B? Really, what other options are there?

[Eledhwen]

Here's an exercise for the research geeks among us:

1. Find all the 'B' surnames (eg: Bullstrode)

2. Look for passing references to their relatives

3. Eliminate relatives whose forenames are given, but which are not R or A

4. Note all 'B's whose forenames have not been given - it could be them!

OK, you'd better get started - there are six books to work your way through. I shan't bother, as I think it's going to turn out to be Regalus (hopefully without polyjuice)

I also note that Albus Dumbledore's brother is missing, and that's a loose end that could be tied up in the next book.

[VioletFalcon129]

That is a thoguht indeed. dumbly probably wouldn't have mentioned him for no reason. At least not in Rowling world! :D

On the advice of the searching: dang. Nice thought. I'd rather wait. :rolleyes:

question: THE DESTROYMNET OF BILL!!!! WHYYYYYY???!!!!

he was so beautiful.

in my mind, anyway. HE WAS A CHICK MAGNET!

why, oh, why?

truthfully, though, the scars will probably make him look even sexier. *big ol' hearts for eyes*

am I getting too off the topic? It seemed pretty exhausted. (keep on it if you've got anyhting new to say 'bout RAB though)

-Vi

[VioletFalcon129]

*waves hand in front of people*

You guys there?

Helooooooooooooo?

how shall I get their attention?

...

I know!

LUCIUS MALFOY XX PROF. SNAPE

(maybe now they'll pay attention)

was that a bit to disturbing? do you even know what I mean?

say something

-Vi

[Eledhwen]

The book is not in front of me at the moment (one of the kids has got it), but I believe that nothing Dumbledore said when Snape appeared at the top of the tower could conclusively be interpreted as pleading for his own life, given Snape and Dumbledore's mind powers. It is also very interesting, when Harry is chasing Snape and Malfoy, that Snape forbids a Death Eater from killing Harry (why should he care if the DE gets into trouble with V, when the result is to get rid of his most hated pupil and enemy?) and also reminds him that he needs to improve his Occlumency (very strange, from a furious, evil-minded turncoat who usually prefers to sneer than offer advice).

There are just too many things going on here to ignore.

[VioletFalcon129]

The whole point of the thing is for you not have no idea which side Sev is on. I'm pretty sure Harry is convinced he is pure evil. Then again, he's always believed that. :D

I think It would be truly foolish of Rowling to make Snape evil. It would ruin his character, and it would be waaaaayyy to obvious to live in HP world. If he acts nasty but is good, then he rocks, but if he acts nasty and is evil, what the heck is the point, I ask you. Then again, I'm rather biased towards old Sev as am a Slytherin myself, and adore the character.

Did I already say this...?

hope not :confused: :rolleyes:

(WEEEEEAAAAASSSLLYYYYYYY IS OUR KIIIIIIING)

-Vi

[VioletFalcon129]

????

Where did they go?

Helooooooo?

What do you think of the way J.K.R. wrote in HBP? I think that, although the story is good, the development of characters and things like that are lacking. The parts of books 1-5 that stand out the most are usually the defense against the dark arts teachers- because they are different every book. And, as they stick out very well, hearing about their very different classes is very enjoable to me. However, in book 6, there was harsly any mention of DADA class at all. And just when Snape FINALLY got the position he so wanted. There used to always be animated descriptions of potions too, because of Snape. And now the two (DADA and Snape) are together, they all but dissapear! That makes me unhappy. Secondly, Quidditch. I loved hearing about the practices, the team members, and the games. And now, when Potter himslef is captain of the team, and there are new members that we don't know and need to be better aquainted with, the description sof practices, members, and games pretty much stops. I think this was no good of Rowling. I really think that talented fan writers (with no intenet of putting in thier own story biases) should write in the extra information, or maybe some other good writes (aka not fan fic fanatics), so that the book is more complete, and it should be realaesd as a revised, or perhaps extened edition.

What do you think?

-Vi

[VioletFalcon129]

Well, I guess it's up to me.

I was thinking about the 7th book. And about how people were going to have to die. People we like. And I have come up with a short list of some (not all) or those person who are looking to be in danger of being offed.

here's the list

One of the Weasly twins. Probably George:(

Draco Malfoy. If he dies, he'll probably go outa hero, having sacraficed himself redeemingly. (booo)

Neville. He's so adorable and getting braver by the second. It would make sense.

Percy. There are too many Weasleys for there to be all of them living at the end. At least, I'm sure that's what Rowling will think.

Luna or Cho.

Pettigrew. HE might be the one to die a redeeming death, who knows?
he is still in Harry's debt. (see end of 3rd book)

One or more of the Hogwarts teachers

Got any others?

-Vi

(these are not who I WANT to die. On the contrary. i love almost all of them. These are some people I think are in danger of being killed off just to make a death toll)

[Eledhwen]

A reply to the above post.

I think the Weasly twins have a big part to play yet. They are undoubtedly extremely talented wizards, but have so far only produced 'toys' - some of which the enemy has put to use. Their death would not be a good storyline for me.

Dumbledore gave his life for Draco Malfoy. Snape has killed to save him - possibly at Dumbledore's request via legilimens (this possibility is kindled by Snape's also protecting Harry's life as he escaped). I think that if anything dramatic happens to Draco Malfoy, it will be his turning over to the good side.

Neville, I think, will continue to meet with accidents, but I don't think they will be fatal - it's not his style!

Percy Weasly is a possibility for death - maybe self-sacrifice to save others when he realises what a fool he's been. However, the distress over this possibility that Mrs Weasly showed when faced with a boggart makes me think that it probably won't happen (though it may be thought to have).

Luna and Cho have been peripheral for too long to be real candidates for death. It would be too insignificant to the main story to be worth killing them off, unless they were suddenly given a main plot line - which I doubt.

Pettigrew - I agree with you there; but he is more likely to help out Gollum-style in the end than to do anything genuinely heroic. He's a traitor to the core; though I note that some significance has been given to the fact that he owes his life to Harry.

Maybe one or more professors will bite the dust (I see we need a new DDA teacher again, and maybe another for Transfiguration).

My main candidate is Severus Snape, after having stored his thoughts so that everyone finds out later that he was not, after all, on Voldemort's side. I think Draco's dad might cop for it - it would be a popular termination.

[VioletFalcon129]

Good insights. I think that those deaths are popssible. I don't want them!!!

The death of Luna or Cho would simply to make the war habve consequences.

YOU CANNOT KILL LUCIUS HE'S TOO PRETTY. (sorry. major fan of that guy. evil WOMAN that he is:D )

And Sev i love too. You cannot kill Sev.

Remember, Pettigrew was once a Marauder. he may have some good yet. DEEP DEEP DOWN

-Vi

[Firawyn]

wow this thread died. Hey! Live agian! I'm relativly new to the HP world. Well....I've read all the books but have not seen any of the movies.

Ok, as to who should die.....

A Weasly needs to die for sure, not Ron...(oh I'd have to kill Rowling if that happened) um...I vote they kill of Ginny. I mean, she's cool and all, but she's got Harry and all and Herimone and Harry absulutly MUST hook up! lol. DIE GINNY!!!

[Eledhwen]

Well....I've read all the books but have not seen any of the movies.The films are just less of the same story, but with the action pepped up. Particularly the latest one; the book is so long that the film has dropped the Dursleys completely; there are no house elves, so Hermione's spew campaign is also cut. It's a brief trip to the Quiddich world cup, then on to the Triwizard tournament. Sirius in the fire looked really weird - nothing like I'd imagined.

[Firawyn]

I'm curious, in the Order of the Pheonex, how well did they portray Kretcher. I love him, and will by freakishly upset if they mess him up. In the latest book, the half blood prince, I love Kretcher even more. I really want to go see the movies....bloody parents.:mad:

[Barliman Butterbur]

...Some of the stuff looks like this person is just desparate for him to be alive, but some of it had a bit credibility. I still think he's dead, though.

Yup, it's in book 6: Snape(!) shot him square in the chest with his wand. Blasted him right into the air. As of the end of HP and the Half-Blood Prince, Harry's on his own...

Barley

[VioletFalcon129]

um...I vote they kill of Ginny. I mean, she's cool and all, but she's got Harry and all and Herimone and Harry absulutly MUST hook up! lol. DIE GINNY!!!
:eek: :mad: :eek: :mad:

KILL GINNY?!

HARRY X HERMIONE?!?!?!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! !!!!!


I'll not stand for it. Have your paring, have fun with it. But I mean, come one, can you NOT see the chemistry between Hermione and Ron? CAN YOU NOT SEE IT?!? Ginny is WAY too precious to die!!! She's beautiful! And perrect for Harry.

(no offense is meant to Firawyn's person, but i absolutely LOATH that pairing)

(Hang on while I get my fireproof sheild. here come the flames)

(don't incinerate me)

-Vi


PS: thanks to Firawyn for reviving this thread. I hate doing everything myself.:D

[Firawyn]

Hey Vi, chill out.

I just read 'the half blood prince agian' and I take it back. Ginny and Harry, most certainly. I don't know where the hell my brain was. Last time I read that book, I tottally did not see what was up with Ron and Hermoine. Man am I dense!!

Now, answer revised....kill....hummm....how about Percy? OH!! What about Fred or George?

[Wolfshead]

What about Fred or George?
No! :eek: They're the funniest characters!

[Eledhwen]

No! :eek: They're the funniest characters!I notice a subtle cranking up of Fred and George's characters in book 6. They are producing magical aids of such quality that the OOTP's enemies are buying them to aid their dastardly deeds. I feel that some redeeming balance will occur in the last book, where Fred and George's wares will really make their mark, in either stopping Voldemort from slipping away or doing damage to the Death Eaters, or maybe both.

Kill Fred and George? No, I don't think so!

hummm....how about Percy?We've discussed the possibility of Percy's demise above. If it happens, it will probably be self-sacrificial when he discovers what a prat he's been.

[e.Blackstar]

We've discussed the possibility of Percy's demise above. If it happens, it will probably be self-sacrificial when he discovers what a prat he's been.

Ye gods, I hope not. If he dies, it had better be at the hand of one of his family members who doesn't know who he is. (i.e. they kill a 'bad guy' that turns out to be Brudda Percy.)

[Wolfshead]

They are producing magical aids of such quality that the OOTP's enemies are buying them to aid their dastardly deeds.
Seems I definately do need to re-read it over Christmas! I vaguely remember something like that, but not exactly...

[e.Blackstar]

Seems I definately do need to re-read it over Christmas!

I think I need to too. People keep mentioning stuff that I seem to have forgotten.

[VioletFalcon129]

...:D

(sorry about the burst of misguided passion, guys)

The bad buy with the F&G merchandise was Draco with the dark powder, wasn't it?

The forgetting thing happens when you're in too much of a hurry, I guess. I'm pretty sure i remember most of number six... I think.:rolleyes:

That happened to me when I read the fifth, actaully, because I got Sirius's death spoiled for me. The whole book, every time Sirius came up, all I cou;d think of was "he's going to die". It ruined the whole thing for me. The second time I read it, it was like it was a brand new book. I had forgotton the plot twist, the jokes, everything.

I actually knew who died and who the prince was in number six, because (brace yourselves) my friend's friend's friend's mum is a librarian or something, and they got to read it early, and then the friend's friend read it early, and that person came to the same book release party as I did, and when I asked if Ron and Herm got together, they told me EVERYTHING. (I nearly killed the chick)

I wonder if I'll loe number six the second time around. (I hope so. It can only get better)

You all are, of course, right about Fred and George not dieing and being the funniest characters. I'm just saying, if Rowling (who, by the way, we know killed off some very lovely characters, if you'll remeber) wants to make a death toll for the war, this might come to mind: a) more than a tiny few people need to die b)we need to care about these people so the deaths have more impact c) the Weasleys have a lot of people c) It follows that at least one will die d)the twins are awesome and there are two of them. I know you're all thinking "Noooooooooo!!!!! Fred and George shall LIIIIVVEEE!!!" So am I. But, considering those facts, if I was Rowling (with her disregard to awesome charcter life) I would be thinking "Heyyyyyyy..."

So just be warned.

LONG LIVE FRED AND GEORGE!!!!!

-Vi

ps: thanks Firawyn.:D I'm such an old brat when I comes to my pairings...

[Firawyn]

Okay, I just reread Prisoner of Azkaban...are we entiirely sure James Potter IS dead? Uh...I know Dumbledore said he was, but hey, he could have lied...


I sence book number the next one potential!!:D

[Khôr’nagan]

James Potter is definitely dead. When Voldemort's want underwent Priori Incantatem or whatever, James's echo came out of the wand, which means Voldemort had to have killed him with the Avada Kedavra Curse. I don't see how there can be any doubt, but maybe I'm missing something.

[Firawyn]

blah, damn, there goes that idea. Point well made friend. James is indeed dead. I do wish Harry had some family thought...any thoughts on how this might be a possability??

[Eledhwen]

Harry's most likely family will come through marrying Ginny, and Ron marrying Hermione - then his closest friends will all become his family.

[Firawyn]

humm....well thought out. I suppose that would work, perhaps with Harry leaving Hogwarts to look for the holocruxes it will give us a taste of Harry Potter without being at school, to prepare us for after he leaves for good. I mean, if Ginny and Harry do get married, then they'd have to be a bit older. They're how old in the Half Blood Prince?

[VioletFalcon129]

In HBP Harry, Ron, and Hermione are 16, Ginny is 15, and the Twins are 18.
(Not that you asked aabout the twins.)

It would be nice if old Prongsie were alive, but, as Khôr’nagan said, he came out of the wand- he dead. It also said in the first book that the Dursleys were Harry's only relatives. His friends being his family through marrige is great, I hadn't thought of that one. Priceless.

I think it was pretty blah of Harry to pull a "Spiderman" on Ginny and tell her she can't come along. We can pnly hope she'll pull a "Mary-Jane" as reply- insist on comming anyway, and tell him she can make her own descisions. And if she doesn't, I will for her.

I can't belive Harry will be out of shcool. I mean, come one, what's the HP series without Hogwarts? (okay, I'm overly sentimental about that old school.)

Oooh, ooh! Thought! I had thought of this before. Well... heard someone else say it. :rolleyes: Harry should beome the DADA teacher when he's done saving the world! I mean, Voldy wanted it, and was refused, and cursed it. The DADA teacher has played a key role in all of the books- it's very emphasised. It would make sense to have Harry, the bane of The Dark Lord, get the postion he was denied.

Just a thought. That kinda changed the subject. We can go on about who's really dead, if you wan't. I think we allready covered that, though...

-Vi

[Firawyn]

You know, I had that same idea. I'd love to see Harry take the DODA job this next book.....oh would that tick Malfoy off!!!!!1:D

[Eledhwen]

Harry will almost certainly return to Hogwarts. The world JK Rowling created would be incomplete without it, as the other places in the story have been peripheral and it would be too much of a leap to make one of them 'home'.

[Maggot]

You know that former hogwarts headmasters have portraits, Dumbledore will have one! So maybe Harry enchants Dumbledore out of the portrait, or Dumbledore will continue to be a father figure to Harry who will still ask for advice from him.

[Eledhwen]

Dumbledore's portrait appeared in his office magically, following his death. Presumably there are others (the frog cards, for instance), though maybe a portrait has the knowledge of the subject only up to the moment the image was captured. I notice that photographs are not as effective as paintings. They behave rather like a short loop of film, whereas one can interact with a painted portrait almost as if the person were present.

If Snape's a hidden good guy, I think Harry could find out the truth about Dumbledores death via a pensieve, eg: Dumbledore telling Snape that, if it came to it, Snape had to kill him; and then Snape's thoughts confirming the mind conversation on the tower by sharing his own pensieved thoughts.

Alternatively, he could return to Hogwarts for the sole purpose of interrogating Dumbledore's death portrait on the subject, but he'd need to suspect something first.

[Firawyn]

Humm...If nothing more, I suspect that Molly will 'strongly insist' that Harry return to Hogwarts for his seventh year, and over Holidays, he'll be out looking for the Holocruxes. That would be nice. Even during the time he was 'in school' he could be doing research (with, obviosly Hermione) he,he. Ron would no doubt be assigned to 'look after Harry' by his mother. lol, Oh Moly is so predictable.

On a more literary level, do you tihnk Molly is a flat or round character? I think it wasn't really till the Order of Pheonix that Molly began to develope. She was always that 'crazy mom' and nothing more. The thing that made her appear more than that to me was the scene where she was facing the bogart at Sirius' house. I saw her in a whole new light after that.

Thoughts?

[Khôr’nagan]

Before we get into that, I just had a thought: What if Dumbledore put his memory of that conversation in the Pensieve before he died? It would theoretically still be there even after he died, and be lying around for someone to find; if so, likely intentionally on Dumbledore's part.

But then again, the confusion of the Order on Snape's loyalties adds a whole other demension to the story, and resolving it that way would be too easy; the only way they can justly resolve it is through some really dramatic scene in which Snape proves his loyalty indesputably (i.e., jumping in front of an Avada Kedavra curse aimed at Harry...)

As for Molly, I think she was a very flat character in the beginning, but as the books went on, they each added a new demension to her character that we weren't aware of previously. She's just a slow developing character because she's not a character that can be put into most scenes, so the scenes with her are few and far between, but each one kind of tells us something new.

[Firawyn]

Didn't Snape have a pensieve? The one Harry looked into in...ah what book was that...Order of Pheonix! Yes, that's it. Or if it was Dumbledore's pensieve Snape obviously had his memories stored in there as well. Snape ran off (he better have) after he killed Dumbledore in HBP, so his memories are there as well. In his or Dumbledore's pensieve! He may have even placed his memory of the Unbreakable Vow he made with Bellatrix. Muuhahahhaaa!! Guilty as charged!

Another thought *thinks some more* okay two more thoughts!:D

First, What do you think made Dumbledore trust Snape?

Second, Who's the new Potions teacher?:confused:

[Eledhwen]

Snape borrowed Dumbledore's pensieve for Harry's occlumency lessons.

Snape may have told Dumbledore that he made that vow. If he was really in the Order then Dumbledore might have told him to go through with it if it was obvious Dumbledore would die anyway. Dumbledore would certainly have placed such a memory in a bottle.

It could therefore yet be proved that Dumbledore's trust in Snape was not misplaced.

Potions? Snape taught DDA in book six, which is why Harry was allowed to study potions. This was a necessary twist, so that the potions master would not recognise the book Harry borrowed.

[Firawyn]

Oh yeah! But them who taught Potions in book six? Was it Slughorn that year? Bother, so many professors to remember! *grin* So if Slughorn (or whoever) stays on as Potions, now who gets DDA in book seven? I know we've descussed Harry, but I doubt it. Maybe Lupin will come back! That would rock!!!!:D

[Khôr’nagan]

I'm questioning whether Hogwarts will even re-open in the next book, and if not, there won't be any new DADA teacher, or any teachers at all.

Anyway, I just had another thought. The whole time in the war against Lord Voldemort, adults have done all the fighting, and they've been losing. It's a known fact that Harry, a child, will be the one to achieve victory over Lord Voldemort, with Ron and Hermoine helping. In Order of the Pheonix, the kids did indeed rise up to the task at hand and fight against the Death Eaters, but they had to be rescued by adults in the end. It's like the struggle between Gandalf and Saruman. Gandalf, originally the weaker of the two, pits himself against Saruman and loses, barely managing to escape. Then later he comes back and proves his strength by confronting and defeating Saruman. I think the same thing has to happen with the kids! In Half-Blood Prince they already proved themself equal to the Death Eaters when they invaded the school, and now they have to prove themselves greater! Without school in session, the kids are all going to be at there houses during the year when Harry is running around finding Horcruxes, and I think that they're (Harry and Ron and Hermoine) going to get themselves into trouble at one point, and Hermoine will call the D.A. using her coin, because of course everyone in it will have been checking them, like, every day for some reason or another (like, they wanted to be a part of it weren't allowed, and out of frustration they turned to the only source they had of salvation, which was being summoned by those coins...). Anyway, the D.A. will gather and bring all the other skilled students with them as well and come to the rescue, and an epic battle will ensue between kids and Death Easters in which Harry confronts Lord Voldemort and kills him once and for all!!!!

Oh well, just another one of my crazy-awesome what-if scenarios that practically never actually happen but I wish would.....

EDIT: Oh yeah, and I forgot to say that at some point Snape hurls himself in front of an Avada Kedavra curse aimed at Harry....

[Barliman Butterbur]

Ah, the speculation! Well, we're still entitled to speculate away, at least until the seventh book comes out and settles it all (or will it)?

Possible scenarios:

• HP defeats V and becomes headmaster at Hogwarts
• HP defeats V and becomes the DDA prof at Hogwarts
• HP defeats V, but Draco Malfoy takes over from V and the battle rages on
• V defeats HP and the world is plunged into darkness
• Cho Chang runs off with Hagrid
• Ron takes over Filch's job
• Uncle Vernon burns down Hogwarts
• Hermione gives up magic (openly) and starts an uncannily successful Amway franchise
• Snape joins PA (Potionmasters Anonymous)
• The twins buy Hogwarts and turn it into a magical Ceasar's Palace

And on and on...

Barley

[Khôr’nagan]

I have to say, I like some of those a lot, but unfortunately the first two are the only ones that are more realistic than my super-ultra-spectacular ending that just imagining happen makes me giddy as a school-girl (no offense to school-girls intended, especially as I'm a guy). Wouldn't just be awesome if it actually happened? Any agreements/disagreements with the awesomeness of my scenario? I should warn you, though, if you disagree, then I WILL FEAST UPON YOUR ENTRAILS BY THE LIGHT OF THE MORNING SUN!!!!!!! :D

EDIT: I just realized I said Death Easters in my previous post. That's pretty funny.

[Eledhwen]

Ah, the speculation! Well, we're still entitled to speculate away, at least until the seventh book comes out and settles it all (or will it)?

Possible scenarios:

• HP defeats V and becomes headmaster at Hogwarts
• HP defeats V and becomes the DDA prof at Hogwarts
• HP defeats V, but Draco Malfoy takes over from V and the battle rages on
• V defeats HP and the world is plunged into darkness
• Cho Chang runs off with Hagrid
• Ron takes over Filch's job
• Uncle Vernon burns down Hogwarts
• Hermione gives up magic (openly) and starts an uncannily successful Amway franchise
• Snape joins PA (Potionmasters Anonymous)
• The twins buy Hogwarts and turn it into a magical Ceasar's Palace

And on and on...

Barley

I like the Amway one, and Ron taking over as Caretaker at Hogwarts. You don't elaborate there: does Ron get Mrs Norris as well? (or is Mrs Norris an animagus that Filch sneaked into Hogwarts for his own ... er... purposes).

Actually, I'd be mightily disappointed if the great JKR could not come up with something better than the scenaria postulated in this thread - including my own!

[Firawyn]

I'm curious. Will Harry Potter books come to a close with book 7? Or will books 1 through seven becoem known as 'the hogwarts years' and then more books continue to follow harry's life? hummm....possabilities.


I'm sorry, but after six books there is no way the V will win. Just wont happen. Defys the ethics of writing. I will protest. Maybe V will just retire to the carrabian and enslave a bunch of pirates to do is dirty work.:D

[Khôr’nagan]

There's no way she could postpone the series another book. Think about it, she's told people she's going to do seven, and if she pushes it up to eight or more, her fans are going to crucify her. We want to know how it ends, and I'm not alone when I say I won't wait for yet another book after seven.

[Barliman Butterbur]

There's no way she could postpone the series another book. Think about it, she's told people she's going to do seven, and if she pushes it up to eight or more, her fans are going to crucify her. We want to know how it ends, and I'm not alone when I say I won't wait for yet another book after seven.

And there is this: as far as I know, she's the only modern writer to have her characters grow up in something like real time. Most continuing characters appearing in a series of books somehow stay the same age. But having her characters grow older as they do is — I think anyway — a much more challenging writing project, and provides much more of a sense of realism and open-ended possibility within the fantasy.

Barley

[Khôr’nagan]

It's true, the children are growing older, and it does add more realism to the story and allows you to take it longer without losing credibility, but if she did, I'd burst with frustration :eek:

Let's just be grateful that she's only doing seven. And this I've heard from reputable sources, i.e. my sister, who is absolutely obsessed with Harry Potter and knows everything you could ever want to know about it and more.

[e.Blackstar]

Let's just be grateful that she's only doing seven.
I'm certainly grateful! Whew!

[Firawyn]

he, you'l have to excuse me, I've only gotten into Harry Potter just this summer. (Thus I got to read the whole series streight through!) :D

So Harry will find all of the Holocruxes and defeat V in ONE book? Holy cow, it's going to be huge!

[Barliman Butterbur]

What's this I hear about PJ making a Harry Potter musical?

Barley

[Firawyn]

What's this I hear about PJ making a Harry Potter musical?

Barley


A load of horse $hit I hope!!!!!:mad:

[Eledhwen]

There's no way there will be more than seven books; JKR has said so. Seven was her original vision, and it's panning out just right.

Don't forget, the Horcrux that Harry and Dumbledore went after is elsewhere and in someone else's hands. My guess is it's Sirius Black's supposedly dead brother; so Harry may not have to find all the horcruxes himself.

[Corvis]

There can't be more then seven books because how much farther could she stretch the story. It would get pretty complicated and some people would probably start to complain (like whats happen here). Let's keep it at seven!

[Firawyn]

So let's theorize. What is Sirius Black's brother is still alive and has been collecting the holocruxes for the last 16 years or whatever. Maybe there is only one or two left for Harry to find. Or maybe they have all already been destroyed and Harry just has to kill V. himself. (Or Tom Riddle Sr. if we speak of his present form...gross)

[Khôr’nagan]

Regulus might have been able to find and destroy a few more Horcruxes, but Harry has to find at least one in the next book. And also, I don't think Regulus is alive. If he were, the Sirius' house would have passed onto him, not Harry. As for the locket that Harry and Dumbledore thought they got, it was one of the thing's Mundungus looted from the Black's house; look to the scene where all the loot falls on the floor, and you'll see a featurless locket is among the item. If you'll recall, the locket that was supposed to be there had a carving of some sort in it, and as the one Mundungus stole didn't, I think it was already de-Horcruxed or whatever. What I think might happen is that Regulus will have left a trail to follow from one Horcrux to the next, so that when Harry starts looking, he'll be able to find Regulus' trail and find where they are hidden much more quickly.

As a funny side note, I but there's going to be a funny scene where they're trying to destroy the Horcrux but, not knowing how to do it, try different things that don't work until they eventually get it.....

[VioletFalcon129]

Whew! leave a mere... *counts on fingers* 28 days and they post TWO WHOLE PAGES without you. I'm not used to th is enthusiasm! *wipes tear from eye*

Oooookay....

Rowling has actually said that there HAS to be a new DADA teacher in book 7,
Khôr’nagan. (it was you that said that Hogwarts might be closed, right?) So Hogwarts MUST stay open. (HA!)

Cho runs off with Hagrid!!!!!! (beautiful!!!)

You forgot about Harry and V die
and
Draco valiently gives up his life for the good side

About Molly - I love Molly!!! But she was a little lacking. She was hilarious thought, you must admit.

Regulus is probably definately dead. But I think he got offed by Voldy, not because he chickend out, Like Sirius said, rather because he had a change of heart.

Also :

Snape will be good. I refure to let him be evil. Or die.

Dumbly, I'm sad to say, has probably most definately snuffed it. His portrait will probably keep its yap shut, in the event that Harry goes and interrogates it.

Looking through the pensive would be clever of Harry, but some memories are too important or secret to leave lieing around.

I turly hope that Harry goes back to Hogwarts... but unfortunately, I think he might go with the path of non-school. (in which case, Ginny will stowaway some how). Or he will stay at school, but it was like Dumbledor's dieing wish or some stuff...

best scenario:

Vi shows up in Harry Potter world and saves the day and brings Sirius and Dumbledor and Lily and James back and makes Fluer and Bill hate each other and then marries George Weasley.

Yeah, right.

-Vi

[Firawyn]

You have an incredable mind Vi.:cool:


About the pensive, I don't think Dumbledore intended on gettting killed that night, therefore he could not have known to get out 'certian' memories. He,he!:D

[Wolfshead]

I'm currently reading HBP for the second time and I'm taking my time over it so as to absorb it better than the first reading which was somewhat rushed. I'll probably have it finished by the end of the day and I'll start some new threads to discuss the ideas I've thought of :)

[Barliman Butterbur]

Our cable tunerbox went on the fritz yesterday, so I decided to put in a HP DVD of the very first movie. It was such a pleasurable shock to see (1) the kids at their youngest, just starting out on their adventure (and Vernon Dursely gave me the usual bellylaughs after not having seen his comic and lunatic apoplexy for such a long time), and (2) see the brilliant color of the movie — not dark and gothic like the later ones. And of course, John Williams' magic music. I said to my wife last night that it suddenly struck me that his silken orchestrations remind me of that of Maurice Ravel's: luscious instrumental sound combinations, absolute finesse — typical of Ravel as well.

Barley

[spirit]

::Bouces in::

I'm a HP fan!! Really, really!! Am I welcome in this society?

[Wolfshead]

I'm a HP fan!! Really, really!! Am I welcome in this society?
Sure, why not? Feel free to start up some other threads in the Rowling section. Could give this mini-society a bit more life and activity. I've got a few more interesting ideas that I'll post when I get round to it.

[spirit]

Sure, why not? Feel free to start up some other threads in the Rowling section. Could give this mini-society a bit more life and activity. I've got a few more interesting ideas that I'll post when I get round to it.

Thanks!

Well, seeing as there doesn't seem to be a trivia thread for HP, how's that for an idea?

[Wolfshead]

Well, seeing as there doesn't seem to be a trivia thread for HP, how's that for an idea?
Go ahead :)

[VioletFalcon129]

You have an incredable mind Vi.:cool:


Heh heh. Thanks.:D

I thoughts on the 1st movie:

the golden trio were super cute. Emma Watson was the best of the three at acting. (Did I spell that right?) It was in its own way (aka not in the true to the story way) like the first book. That is, it was happy. It was colorful. It had a bunch of kids running around having a grand time in a place that we all long to be. (I know I do. Long to be at Hogwarts, that is.) They get things so right, and so courageously and friendship...ly... that it's almost Mary Sue*, and they end up happy. Huzzah.


Oh, yes, Wolfshead, brag at your reading speed. "I'm gonna read it slowly and savor it this time, it'll probably take me the after noon." Huh. I like that.
:D Just kidding.

One thought: i have no problem with discussing other HP threads here. But, um,... *be nice, Vi, be nice* I wanna talk about Harry. And the rest.

So...

Who thought the Remus Tonks pairing was abrupt, last minute, and probably derived from Rowling reading the fanfics too much. Okay, do you think it SEEMED like that? (I did) Do we have and ReTonksers here?

Actually, the whole HPB seems like Rowling reading the fanfics. I mean, come on, Draco crying in the bathroom? And the changed Patronous thing with Tonks? And Ron and Lavender? (actually, I liked that one. All hormones and no substance, so we can see Hermione get teary.)

LONG LIVE POTTER!!!

-Vi

PS: i got a hoodie that has the Hogwarts Seal and Motto "Never tickle a Sleeping Dragon" (it's in Latin on the hoodie) on the front, and on the back, it says "Potter" , like a sports thing or something. I actually do look a bit like Harry, especially since I died my hair black. Ha ha...

[spirit]

Who thought the Remus Tonks pairing was abrupt, last minute, and probably derived from Rowling reading the fanfics too much. Okay, do you think it SEEMED like that? (I did) Do we have and ReTonksers here?
Oh, you crack me up, Violet. I'd never thought J.K reading fan fic and using an idea from there... but you are correct, the whole Tonks and Lupin was rather a quicky scene; still cute...

I wonder if she's set up Draco and Hermione... ;) :eek:

And on the subject of fan fics, do you have any good ones I should read? Suggestions are welcome. :p

[Wolfshead]

Oh, yes, Wolfshead, brag at your reading speed. "I'm gonna read it slowly and savor it this time, it'll probably take me the after noon." Huh. I like that.
:D Just kidding.
Not only are you mis-quoting me, but you're mis-interpreting me :p I'd already been reading the book for a few days when I posted that, and expected to have it finished by that afternoon!

Who thought the Remus Tonks pairing was abrupt, last minute, and probably derived from Rowling reading the fanfics too much. Okay, do you think it SEEMED like that? (I did) Do we have and ReTonksers here?
I thought it was a nice touch, and she probably had it planned years ago. It was quite clever when you think she was actually in love with Sirius for most of the book (who was her cousin...), and that her patronus had changed to a big dog, only to find out it was Remus, and the patronus was a wolf.

Actually, the whole HPB seems like Rowling reading the fanfics. I mean, come on, Draco crying in the bathroom? And the changed Patronous thing with Tonks? And Ron and Lavender? (actually, I liked that one. All hormones and no substance, so we can see Hermione get teary.)
Not that I've ever read any of these fanfics (would much rather read the real thing), but I'd have a hard time believing Rowling was influenced by them in her writing. Malfoy crying was designed to show he was feeling the pressures of being a Death Eater, and that there is a hope of redemption for him; the Tonks thing was character development; and Ron and Lavender was, well, possibly padding, but an interesting part of the story, and a sign they are growing up.

[spirit]

Not that I've ever read any of these fanfics (would much rather read the real thing),

Don't knock them until you've tried them! ;)


Oh, the funniest one I've read, Vi, is one called Prank Wars.
If you want a link...? :cool:

[VioletFalcon129]

Does it involve F&G???!! Or the Marauders?! then YEEESSSSS!!!

(but if it's on FanFiction.net I can't. It doesn't work for me. [blocked])

Okay, Wolfshead, I was only joking around.

And the fanfics comment? That was kinda saracstic too. But not really.

Okay, be read for somthing with a bit of...history.

The Draco crying in the bathroom thing? That sounds like serious emo slash between harry and Draco. One of my close friends looooves guy+guy parings. Especially Harry Draco and Remus Sirius. She would know. Many of those fics involve on or both of Harry and Draco crying somewhere, and the other once being either comoforting or... something else. (yeah, most of the stories are generally... unnessicary?) So that comment was really meaning all the slashy fics people write. Like a angsty Draco thing. Not meant to be takken too too seriously.

And Remus Tonks? Sorry, I just wanted Remus to be single at the end... (so I could imagine ME ending up with him, wa ha ha...)

To me, the Remus TOnks thing (which I am becomming more and more accustomed to against my will and better judgement) seems like Rowling knew everything that happened in HP world until book six, at which she started making things up. Especailly things to tease her HP world friends. (Tonks: me? want to MARRY him? Remus: come on, it was like one time! it wasn't even serious! Tonks: yeah, we were, like, drunk!!!)

Yeah...

Sorry to offend peeps, if i did...

-Vi

[VioletFalcon129]

Okay, my lovelies (do not stare so, it's bad for my complexion), time to talk Voldemort.

His charcter, in the 6th book, got developed. From young to older. And you know what I think:

"Huh?"

I mean, this guy is so two dimentional, you can't see him from the side! He's evil thorugh and thorught 100% all the way no question? A little ambitious turd from the begining? Attacking the other orphans, being all powercrased and hungry when he hears about magical powers? Never any human emotions ever? Never once a friend?

Some how, it's not beleivable. (I know, i know, it's the land of patronuses and giant talking spiders. but you know what I mean.) This guy never had a single loving emotion? Never felt regret except at lack of gain? Never once felt any affection towards anyone, never trusted anyone? Okay, possible, but people just don't pop outta their mommas evil. (I mean, technically they do, but that's the whole "What Vi belives regarding religion, yay everybody be imposed apon" speech. Not for today.) He was evil, then he found a channel for it (magic) then he found a reason to love himslef even more and hate others more too (wizarding blood). But I mean, still. He has no quirks. No wierd little things that might make him more of a character. Those things Rowling usually gives people. Okay, I'll admit, that whole fearing death and the dark bit got me. Alot. I was like "duuuuuude, how adorable....wait. that's pretty cool though." I mean, it does give dimension. (i didn't think of it till now). But it is still on the evil side (ish).

Tom RIddle, the hating his parentage, (the muggle half), hating his humanity, hating his name, hating his mortality, and casting it all off. Whoohoo. He still is missing something. And okay, maybe that was the point. Maybe that's what makes him such a... evil nasty type person. I just don't why he doesn't have any other sides at all. They don't have to be good ones, just a little different. And why did she make him ugly? That's a bit... id dunno... okay now i'm nitpicking.

Thoguhts? (easy, people, not the flamethrowers again)

-Vi

Ps: the whole eyes turing red thing with voldy? Totally captain hook!:D

[VioletFalcon129]

Ho, hum.

I believe I've spotted a preoblem in the plot.

You know how Voldie jinxes the Defense against the dark arts job? So that it can't have a teacher for more than one year?

Well, in the books, people act like that's just started happening when Potter comes to school. Which is almost 50 years too late.

I mean, wouldn't people stop wanting the job earlier if it had been going on for 50 years? Wouldn't they have noticed? Why are they unable to get a teacher only in the 5th book and not years before? EH?!

That confuses me.

Thoughts? I know you have them.
(most of you, any way.);)

-Vi

ps: SPIRIT! I know it's like a million years late, but i would LOVE a link to the Prank Wars fic! *pupy dog eyes*

[Eledhwen]

Re: Voldemort. What do they teach them in school these days? Unrealistic to have a thoroughly evil character? The 20th century is peppered with them and the corpses they left in their wake. For starters, let's try Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Idi Amin. All these managed to get themselves in charge of at least one nation. All had the charm of personality that got them where they wanted to be. Once in power, all systematically eliminated anyone and everyone who showed them the slightest opposition; and also anyone who was inconvenient to leave alive or was more useful dead.

No, Voldemort's character is quite believable.

Why do you think that the DDA post was only a problem in book 5? No teacher throughout the series has lasted more than one year. Quirrel was a recent addition even in book 1 (I can't remember if we're told how recent, offhand). We don't know about the previous incumbents, but again I draw on life to show the believability that people will keep coming to fill the vacancy. Look at the world of sport. In the UK, football managers of some teams last only months, and the steady series of replacements does not deter the fresh applicants. In the HP books, it is more difficult to find replacements because 1. the replacement would have to be very good at the subject (Dolores Umbridge excepted) and 2. the candidate's interest in the subject would have to be a healthy one.

Also, below I have the link that proves the Harry Potter thread belongs in TTF!:rolleyes: (you'll need a pdf reader - Adobe - to view it)

http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/docs/harry_is_a_hobbit.pdf

[Firawyn]

As per usual El, you said it. Pretty much (though in a rather long windered version) I was thinging the same this!:D

[Eledhwen]

I prefer "thorough" to "long winded" :rolleyes:

I might have said this before, but there are some really scholarly, thorough essays on the books on www.hogwartsprofessor.com. The guy initially took an interest in Harry Potter to prove to his daughter that a good Christian girl shouldn't read the books, but he got hooked on the brilliant writing and has an amazing insight on the hidden structures embedded in the storylines.

I, for one, will be very interested to see whether the hypotheses about Malfoy are found to be correct in the last book (no, you can go and read it yourself - I'm not telling you!). There is also an essay on the "Good Snape" theory. Fascinating stuff - I was reading it for hours!

[VioletFalcon129]

How did you know that the dictators were altogether, thoroughly and irredeemible (sp!!) evil? I mean, yaeh, evil deeds. But did you KNOW them? And there personalities? Hm? I may be stretching it, but i think that a full out evil even as a child character is at least artistically (for a writer) icky.

And i don't think you got the point about DADA. I think people would start getting wary after the amount of accidents and bad ends etc. were met by teachers in the same post consecutivly. Especailly if it lasted fifty some years.

But i like being persnickity, so I doubt any explaination would please me...

-Vi

[Firawyn]

I prefer "thorough" to "long winded" :rolleyes:

Fascinating stuff - I was reading it for hours!

Well woop-de-do for you hun. Lol, listen, it's wonderful that you have 'hours' to read stuff like that. I'm going into my Sr. year of hightschool, and I'm trying to go for an hours deploma. I barly have the time of day to get on here.

He,he, TTF wouldn't be the same without you El, don't go anywhere!:)

Onward back to Potter. I had a thought: For the emphsis put on 'The Half Blood Prince' and who it turned out tobe, I'm really wondering if that be significant in the next book. Thoughts?