The seven Rings

[Shadow Lord]

I have a question about the Seven Rings for The Dwarves in their halls of stone. What are they called? What do they Look Like? Which dwarves originnaly owned them?
Also, What where the Ringwraiths Rings called and What were they made from?
Anybody know?

[Moonbeams]

Thrain, Thorins father had one of the dwarven rings.
The King of Angmar was the leader of Ringwraiths, so he had one of the human ones. The rest, I don't know.

[Shadow Lord]

Thanks! That helped i'm typing a Dictionary on the rings with basic information and stuff about the rings.

[Grond]

Ah! We are not sure what dwarf lords held the rings. One would certainly have been in the dwarf kingdom destroyed by Scatha the Worm. Mention is made of it in tLotR as Merry's wonderful horn came from that hoard. I would imagine that it was melted by the worm as only dragon fire or the flame of Mount Doom would have done the job.

[Shadow Lord]

Hmmmm..... who's Scatha The Worm?

I know taht Thrain Held one of The seven. it says so in the appendixes in my edition of The Return Of The King

[Iluisa Olórin]

From http://angel.qdnet.pl/tolkfaq.htm

There were three kinds of dragons: great serpents that slithered, those that walked on legs, and those that flew with wings. Of each kind there were two types: the Cold Drakes who fought with fangs and claws, and also the Uroloki Fire Drakes, miraculous dragons who could breathe fire. The most notable dragons were: Glaurung, the Father of Dragons; Ancalagon The Black, the most terrible dragon that ever lived (Ancalagon means Rushing Jaws); Scatha The Worm, the mightiest dragon of the Iron Mountains; and of course, Smaug the Golden/Magnificent, the dragon of the Lonely Mountain.

[curious_nomad]

I seem to remember that all the Dwarven-rings are accounted for. Sauron has three and four were consumed by dragons.

[Iluisa Olórin]

Yes: "Seven the Dwarf-kings possessed, but three he has recovered, and the others the dragons have consumed."

[Shadow Lord]

Thanks people! But i still need to know who held the dwarven rings and more about the ringwraiths.
I'm reading the Silmarrilion, maybe there is something in there.

[Beren Erchanion]

I'm afraid you won't find anything in the sil, unless you have a very special edition. Try in the History of the Middle-Earth books you lucky, I have to wait until they decide to traduce it in french. Peoples are talking of 4 or 5 books of 1000 pages each something that crazy...I'm so jealous.:(

[Greymantle]

Beren, I've seen you using the word "traduce" a lot... in fact, the English for the verb traduire is "to translate." Weird, I know. Just like everything in English!
Er.... La traduction de le mot francais traduire est to tranlate en anglais. 'Pourquoi,' vous direz? Je ne sais pas! Les anglais sont tres bizarres!
Why do I even try... :rolleyes:

[Moonbeams]

I don't think you will find an answer to what you seek. I remember asking myself the same question, trying to figure out who the rest of the Ringwraiths were, but the Witch-king of Angmar is, I belive, the only one mentioned.

[Shadow Lord]

Yeah. Angmar is the only one mentioned in any of the books i have read

[Grond]

The only other one noted by name is Khamal the Easterling who was the Lt of Dol Goldur. He and one other wraith were based there for a time. There is also still an open question on the forum as to whether Gothmog, Lt. of Minas Morgul was a Ringwraith or not. We still haven't found references as to his status. (You'll find reference to Gothmog in TRotK shortly after the Witch-king is slain. It says that the Lt of Minas Morgul, Gothmog takes over.)

[Snaga]

Is it explicit that he rules Angmar and then gets corrupted? I don't remember that, and sort of assumed he was already a wraith and kind of set up base there as a good place to have a go at Arnor from? I'd appreciate a quote or reference.

[Gothmog]

"the Witch King" is the name that was given to the Lord of the Nazgul when he was king of Angmar. He was already at that time a Wraith.
The lord of that land was known as the Witch-king, but is was not know until later that he was indeed the chief of the Ringwraiths, who came north with the purpose of destroying the Dunedain in Arnor
from The Return of the King: Appendix A: The North-kingdom and the Dunedain

[maarten]

ok so who was "The mouth of Souron" than again, i thought he was the wich king of angmar??? or was he a fallen Numenorian??

[ReadWryt]

The "Mouth of Sauron" was a Black Numenorean who had risen to the position of Lieutenant of the tower of Barad Dur. He's also known in some passages as the "Messenger of Mordor".

[pippin le qer]

to Shadow Lord.

most logical is that the 7 rings were spread evenly among the 7 dwarve tribe, being a rather jalous breed. The 7 tribes actually got their own name from Tolkien, thank's to the forum I know them now.
But is possible that Tolkien also had names for the tribeleaders or dwarve king. unfortunally outside the Longbeards tribe of Durin with those names ending with "-in", the only other name type that reached the books was from the tribe to which Bifur, Bofur and Bombur belonged. I'm wondering what more type of dwarvenames he cooked up in his notes.

[Taranir]

The seven rings were given to each tribe of dwarves I think. There were seven tribes as you know. Three of the rings Sauron got back but four were destoyed by dragons. Scatha didn't get one of these Rings cos' The Ring of Durins folk wasn't in that dwarven kingdom. It was held by the king of Erebor.
And about nazgul: Professor wrote that three of ringwraights were numenoreans and Khamul was from east. Five others Were propably from east and west of ME

[Ståle]

What was the names of the dwarven tribes then?

[Snaga]

Welcome Taranir!

Scatha didn't get one of these Rings cos' The Ring of Durins folk wasn't in that dwarven kingdom. It was held by the king of Erebor.

Maybe you are confusing Smaug with Scatha. You're right that Smaug didn't consume the ring given to Durin but I thing it is a possible that Scatha got a different one. Why? Because supposedly each of the 7 rings was supposedly the foundation of a great hoard of dwarf treasure, and Scatha is known to have destroyed a dwarf colony and got their hoard. That's only inference though.:)

[Grond]

I agree with your assertion VoK. Surely the hoard of Scatha the Wurm had a Dwarven Ring in it. But of course, he melted it down for the gold!!:) :D ;)

[Snaga]

Well he couldn't get it on his finger could he? There's a scary thought: an invisible dragon:eek:

[pippin le qer]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ståle
[B]What was the names of the dwarven tribes then?

Longbeards ( Durins people )
Firebeards western tribes
Broadbeams

Ironfists eastrn tribes
Stiffbeards
Blacklocks
Stonefoots

this was the answer I got from someone named
JeffF
thank you, JeffF

see the thread "dwarve tribes".
:) :) :) :) :)

[Taranir]

I'm not confusing these two drakes. there was only one Ring in each tribe and the kingdom Scatha destroyed was one of Longbeards' kingdoms. The ring was in Erebor at the time! And the treasure on Scatha wasn't big enough to be understood as one of these seven treasures.
Ståle: Where did you get those names?

[Taranir]

I ment Pippin, not Ståle.
(Are you from Sweden, Ståle? Norway? Denmark?)

[pippin le qer]

dear Taranir,

i've got them by putting the question on the forum, actualy it was my first entry to the Tolkienforum.

by the way; nice penname, you made it yourself? couldn't find it in the T. lex.

greets P. :D

[Taranir]

What is t lex? I'm sorry for being an idiot...
And i found that dwarven-thing you got that information.

[pippin le qer]

"T.lex."stands for "Tolkien lexicon"
The Dutch edition of The new Tolkien Companion by J.E.A. Tyler 1979

[Ståle]

Originally posted by Taranir
I ment Pippin, not Ståle.
(Are you from Sweden, Ståle? Norway? Denmark?)

Norway ;)