Social Standing

[e.Blackstar]

Where are you in the fabric of society?
Are you a geek?
Below the geeks? (Guilty)
Neighborhood psycho? (Guilty)
Prep?
Jock?
Smart aleck?
Teacher's pet?
Other?

[YayGollum]

Where can we go in this thread after everyone has answered the question? Anyways, out of those options and assuming that this person mostly means our social standing with people around our own age, I'd have to go with ---> Smart aleck. Mostly because I don't know what you're view of a geek is and I wouldn't know what below a geek might mean and I can't think of an Other right now.

[The-Elf-Herself]

Um, I'm an Other. I'm a complete outcast, I don't fit into any group that well, due to the fact that with a little bit of tact and some acting I can fit into pretty much ANY group and make them think that that's who I am. Sort of like a social chameleon. So basically, to paraphrase a Tree I'm not on anyone's side because no one is on my side. Or in anyone's group for that matter. I'm uniquely myself.

[Rhiannon]

I am a just-below-the-geeks English Geek. Not a science/math/computer programmer geek, a poetry/literature/drama/art geek, which is v. different. I have been a teacher's pet, but only for teachers I liked (Lit teacher, drama teacher, etc.)

[Kailita]

What in the world is an aleck? (As in smart aleck...I've always wondered that...:rolleyes: )

Umm, at the risk of labeling myself (gasp! :eek: ), I would say that I could probably be classified with the geeks, but it depends on your definition. If it's anti-social, I'm there. Yes, I get As in all my classes...yes, I think that pep rallies are stupid and achingly boring...yes, I'd rather read than go to the float meeting...yes, I boycott school dances...do you have a problem with that? :p But, as Rhi so eloquently put it, I'm not so much a science/math/computer programmer geek as a poetry/literature/drama/art geek. Whatever. It's fun. :D

I could probably also be classified as the locker hall psycho. I'm pretty mellow in my neighborhood. But in the locker hall at school I'm the one screeching in foreign languages and kicking at my locker or desperately trying to fit just one more bottle in my locker without everything collapsing on me. Hey, I don't ask for the attention...but people seem to think that what I do is strange, so they stare. Not my fault. :rolleyes:

[Dragon]

um...all and none...:rolleyes:

[HobbitGirl]

I am a potato.

[Sador]

Where's the option for tired old geezer who refuses to mow his lawns?(or does that make me the neighbourhood psycho?) OK I'm a smart aleck(euphemism for ass).

[Kailita]

Ahh, got it, thanks for clearing that up, Sador. I don't see how that makes sense either, though. I mean...if you have/are a smart ass...how does that make you witty and sarcastic? :confused: I think it was just some person wanting to be profane...and then other people changed it to "aleck" because they liked the meaning but didn't want to be vulgar. *Shrugs*

HG, you are a potato! :D

I also want to know what exactly is the hierarchy of social standing. And what's below the geeks? Of course, this may vary between schools and towns...but that's okay, I'm just curious.

[Celebthôl]

Originally posted by HobbitGirl
I am a potato.

LOLOL where did that come from? Unless you meant a couch potatoe, i just got an image of a potatoe on a computer :D

Well im kinda none of them...im me :eek: :o

[Kailita]

She might have meant couch potato. But I think she was just trying to be random. ;)

[Rhiannon]

Ass isn't vulgar when it's not used to refer to the derriere.

[Dragon]

yes, there are donkeys:rolleyes:

I think mayb potatos r below geeks, and thats what HG was saying...:rolleyes: :D j/k, that was SO funny, HG, I was cracking up, and my mom looked over and said, what's so funny about potatos?

[Rhiannon]

Originally posted by Dragon
yes, there are donkeys:rolleyes:

And when someone's being silly- the older English usage of ass, ie 'Don't be a silly ass' (referencing donkeys and not derrieres).

[Dragon]

yes, the donkey thing is very useful, have u ever called someone a donkey-pit? its very funny to c how ling it takes them 2 get it:D :D :D :rolleyes:

[Kailita]

Potatoes are below geeks? Hmm...interesting...

I'm still finding out the social hierarchy at my school. I think it depends on who you ask. The football players are definitely at the top. We have a little town with a very good football team, so the football players are like gods. And I guess the cheerleaders are up there too, but they don't seem to be as popular as the field hockey chicks. Our girls' field hockey team is very good, I guess. :rolleyes: Umm...basically, if you play a sport, you're up there.

Then are the outgoing ASB type people. The presidents and secretaries and treasurers of the clubs, the talkative people, the overachievers. Along with them are the preps (which we define as fairly rich people with designer clothes and snobby attitudes) and the pretty people. Funny how pretty people, no matter what group they belong to, always seem to climb the social ladder so quickly. Hmm. Then the "normal" people fit in around there.

Then are the punks. The punks are making a rise in popularity, all of a sudden, probably due to Avril Lavigne and other so-called punk people become popular. Then below them are the punk-goths, then the goths. I guess they're respected because they're different...and kind of creepy.

Then are the geeks, the nerds, the anti-social Outcasts of society. :D Us! We're right down there with the potheads and the Mexican gangsters (not meant in a racist way at all - I'm half Mexican! :D - but most of our gangsters are Mexican...). But that's just my school. I know it's got to be different in other places. C'mon, I want some examples of other social ladders...this kind of stuff interests me...

[Annushka]

That school hierarchy (it`s so good when I don`t have to guess the spelling:D) is disgusting. It really is.
Answering the question: Other.
I`m not a geek, not a smart aleck or anything. I`m by myself. Well, if you speak of social hierarchy in general I`m the granddaughter of a very famous Armenian poet who will live in centuries:D:rolleyes:. So my <position> is in some way exceptional:rolleyes: I get along well with people. The sad thing is I don`t feel like I belong anywhere:( On the other thought that`s not sad at all. Actually that`s the best:D

[Kailita]

You are exceptional, Shush. I know where you belong. You belong with us! Here in GOO where we LOVE you! :D

School hierarchy is disgusting. But it fascinates me...I'd love to study it. (Being at the bottom of the ladder, I see things that normal/popular people don't. :rolleyes: ) Why some people are above others and why some people are accepted just because of who they hang around or how they dress or what they look like...the shallow, undeveloped mind of some highschoolers amazes me.

[Dragon]

heirarchy??? well....I guess u could call it that:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: more like backwards land:rolleyes: how come the smartest people (geeks)are placed at the bottom of the ladder, and the idiotic sports people are at the top??? its not like they can really do anything but provide entertainment:rolleyes:

[Kailita]

Because, D...the sports people promote the school and are therefore special. I guess. :rolleyes: I'm not quite sure...like I said, I'm still figuring all that out. I actually have some friends in sports that are quite smart. I also know some people in sports who are quite...not. :rolleyes: So...I don't know...you have to judge people by individuals. How does the ladder go at your school, D? You go to a middle school, right?

[Annushka]

Originally posted by Kailita
You are exceptional, Shush. I know where you belong. You belong with us! Here in GOO where we LOVE you! :D

School hierarchy is disgusting. But it fascinates me...I'd love to study it. (Being at the bottom of the ladder, I see things that normal/popular people don't. :rolleyes: ) Why some people are above others and why some people are accepted just because of who they hang around or how they dress or what they look like...the shallow, undeveloped mind of some highschoolers amazes me.

Thank you, thank you. I`m REALLY happy about that.

I`m surprised you think you`re at the bottom of the ladder. And I agree with D. It`s all so achingly shallow and stupid.:mad:

[Dragon]

umm... at my MS, its more like little clusters of people, not really a top or bottom.....and, I'm sure that sounds weird, but we're a montessori school

[Kailita]

Montessori school...? Umm...excuse my ignorance...but what is that? :confused::o

Originally posted by Annushka
I`m surprised you think you`re at the bottom of the ladder. And I agree with D. It`s all so achingly shallow and stupid.
Yes indeed, it is. But I have no problem with being at the "bottom of the ladder". Referring to the "ladder", I mean social standing, where I fit in as far as "status" goes. And I know I'm at the bottom. :D I'm certainly not popular, though I'm pretty outgoing. But I have no wish to work my way up the ladder. I like being at the bottom. That's where all the interesting people are. Most of the people at the top are, as you said, achingly shallow and stupid. Either that or they're interesting people who stifle themselves and stunt their abilities because they're too worried about what other people are going to think about them. And in that case they're just silly.

But...yes. I'm perfectly content with my social standing. Because we at the bottom have our own criteria of what makes someone "cool" or not. And on that list, we're at the top. :D

[Rhiannon]

Being at the bottom of the ladder is good. I hate heights.

[Dragon]

its ok... no one who's not in a montessori school knows what one is:rolleyes:

maria montessori; italian lady, wants 2 b an engineer, but in italy at her time, only boys r permitted into engineering schools, so her parents petition a school, and they let her in, b/c she has exceptionally good grades....she graduates, gets a good career, but doesnt' like it, she wants 2 work w/ people so, she goes through a diferent school, and becomes a doctor, somehow, one of her (teacher) friends got her to sort of, uh....substitute a class 4 her, and she figured, hey, this is for me, so she became a teacher, but she believed in teaching kids diferent ways, that, they all learn at their own pace, and learn in different ways (visual, kinetic, auditory) and that communities are stronger than individuals, so at montessori schools (named after her, her concept:rolleyes: )we work a lot in groups, but also r allowed 2 choose our own works, as long as we get certain things done, we have had workplans since kindergarten, so we learn how to manage our time:rolleyes: get along w/ people, and learn to identify w/ what helps us learn better:rolleyes: apparently, according to our teachers, we are only slightly smarter than people that go to "normal" schools (academically) but we have the thinking skills to get along well in "life"

personally, I'm a bit skeptical, but i do believe I'm smarter than everyone else:rolleyes:

*is TRES TRES arrogant*:rolleyes: :D

[Rhiannon]

I'm homeschooled, which makes me smarter than everyone else and more anti-social.

[The-Elf-Herself]

Hey! I'm homeschooled too! And yes, we are the most anti-social, at least around "normal public school" kids. I've always had issues with being in a public school, even when I had to go to one in elementary school. I got into all kinds of trouble for not listening to the teacher(honestly, I had already read past what she was discussing) and showing disrespect(alright, so I like to roll my eyes. People should lighten up and realize I'm not dissing them, I'm dissing what they're saying because I think it's foolish). I went to the local high school to get working papers and I started having symptons akin to claustrophobia. I guess I'm just too independent, the idea of having to go from class to class on a set schedule that never changes would drive me nuts. The very idea makes me uneasy. *has enormous amounts of respect for outcasts who can survive in public school*

[YayGollum]

Well, I was going to stay away until my questions were answered by the person that started this thread, but oh well. Bothering about what your social standing is pure evil.

[Dragon]

well, most of us (as proven already) are at about the same spot on the "ladder" (guild of OUTCASTS, I mean, come on:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ) so, its a little bit pointless, but also interesting, to see waht classification of "low" we are:rolleyes: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Kailita]

Don't worry, D, we all know you're a genius. ;) But the whole visual, kinetic, auditory, learn-at-your-own-pace thing sounds cool. Even though I've never heard of one of those schools until now.

Originally posted by Rhi
I'm homeschooled, which makes me smarter than everyone else and more anti-social.
Originally posted by Jam
Hey! I'm homeschooled too! And yes, we are the most anti-social, at least around "normal public school" kids.
And that's why I love you. :D Not because you're homeschooled, but because you're smart and anti-social (part of which probably springs from the homeschool part of it).

Originally posted by Jam
*has enormous amounts of respect for outcasts who can survive in public school*
*Bows* :D It's tough...but feasible, with the right mindset. Jam, I think it would be loads of fun to have a friend like you in public school with me. It's something you have to adjust to...and that's really hard when homeschool is all you've ever known...but when public school is all you've ever known, it's a lot easier. Yeah, the schedules are annoyances sometimes. But you get used to them. And everyone around you is sharing your pain, too. And it's easy to get claustrophobic (especially at my highschool...3000 kids!), but in a way, I thrive off the claustrophobia. I get all seclusive and lonerish...and that's probably not good, but that's when I'm most observant, and I notice a lot of things about the people around me. And not listening and being disrespectful is very possible and loads of fun...you just have to know how to do it without getting caught. :rolleyes:;) And I could teach you all that. *Is Queen of behind-teacher's-back antics*

[YayGollum]

Oh, please. Public schools are not scary at all. Unless you're showing up in one in the middle of the three years of middle school after being taught at an evil and brainwashing private school for a while. *sniff* When you're raised on public schools, there's no problem. You become like everyone else, unless you're lucky enough to run into a few original types. Very rare. *bawls*

[Dragon]

my schools schedule was so screwy I didn't bother memorizing it, I was like "what class do we have today?" and some one would say "uh.....art", and I'm like "coolness":cool:

[Kailita]

Originally posted by Yay
When you're raised on public schools, there's no problem. You become like everyone else, unless you're lucky enough to run into a few original types. Very rare. *bawls*
:rolleyes: Yay...we're the original types. We're rare! We're special! Hurrah! Refuse to conform, refuse to conform! :D We are not like everyone else, and we won't become like everyone else. You just have to have enough Outcast stubbornness. :D

[The-Elf-Herself]

*sniffs* I never said they were scary Yay, I said they made an irreverent Outcast like me feel claustrophobic.

Yep! Gotta love Outcast stubbornness! Yeah, I'm sure I might be able to cope with your school in theory Kai, especially if you were in attendence, but it would be tough out here. In the sticks, all the been-here-all-their-lives rural types have a sort of attitute towards cool people like me and Rhian who've moved around. Yeah, I suppose it'd be easier when it's all you've known. I'd like to be able to just pop in your school one day Kai, just to see if you'd notice the crazy girl in the corner staring at the normal people and trying not to laugh.

[Dragon]

well, if there's 3000 kids at Ks school.... I mean, WOW, I dont think anyone would notice anyone:rolleyes: :confused: :rolleyes: :confused: :rolleyes: :confused:

[YayGollum]

Ack! I know all of that craziness, Kailita person! I'm just talking about the average joe types. oh well. Let me see here. Got it. Public schools aren't scary. What did you call them again? oh well. Schools are schools, no matter what type of people are usually there. They're made for learning. They're a job for kidses. You can enjoy parts of it and hate other parts of it. It's the same for any kind of school, right?

[balrog]

social standing.....


is hazardous to some viewers

is an opinion or judgement void of fact from someone who needs more of something they don't need

subjective info of ignorance and viewpoint with possible bias

handsome is as handsome does

:)

this GOO guy has based this on actual and factual true life experience

the names have been changed to protect the innocent

:D :rolleyes: :cool: :)

[Kailita]

Preach it, balrog! ;)

Originally posted by The-Elf-Herself
I'd like to be able to just pop in your school one day Kai, just to see if you'd notice the crazy girl in the corner staring at the normal people and trying not to laugh.
That would be hilarious. I bet I would. ;) Despite the throngs of people, you'd be surprised how the special ones stick out.

[Dragon]

what names???

ohhhh.....handsome, would that be u, balrog? :D :D :D

but still, K, 3000 kids???

[balrog]

Originally posted by Dragon
what names???

ohhhh.....handsome, would that be u, balrog? :D :D :D

but still, K, 3000 kids???

would a fire breathing dark evil maia with wings be anything but?:

'handsome' :p

:D

[balrog]

Originally posted by balrog
would a fire breathing dark evil maia with wings be anything but?:

'handsome' :p

:D

can someone get me a mirror?

[Dragon]

can someone get me a mirror?

............uh........no....... I think you're probably happier as you are now:D :D :D

[Vixen Evenstar]

Ummm....i don't know. Im not anything really. Yay! You can't classify me! You can't say fer sure Im a geek. (though some have tried) no one has every called me a prep) Iv'e been called punk (but it's just not true!)

One kid said he pictured me as a kind of person who would dress in all black, have various piercings, and hang out in smokey cafe's and recite poetry.

After i asked him what the heck he was on he shut up.
Iv'e been called cynicul, self centered, greedy, sarcastic and pesimistical. Can't really classify me can you?

[Rhiannon]

Sure I can. You're an outcast!

[YayGollum]

Yay for that achingly cool description of yourself, Vixen Evenstar person! That seems bad to some people? :confused:

[Vixen Evenstar]

I guess so. Maybe their all jealous.:rolleyes:

[balrog]

Originally posted by Rhiannon
Sure I can. You're an outcast!

agreed!

and well said at that! :D

[Arathin]

hehe... my social standing... hmmmmm

I would have to say that I am this one, and you all know the person at your school like it....

I am the anti-social, has two friends and is happy with that, creates a bubble around them of ten feet or more on either side at lunch by their presense alone, all black with chains earrings dyed hair zippers and jingles etc wearing, gothic music listening to, head phones always on, ignore the teachers and still pass with A's and B's, art teacher's pet and greatest student ever, out-standing poet/english student, gothic artist. come on, you all know me because I am EVERYWHERE!!! you can't escape me because there are so many of me that you will all have seen one of me in the first week of school I can almost guarentee it!!! What's more... I am the only one at my school so I get to be extra special. but now I only have one friend because my best friend left this past year and that makes me tres miserables... Also I am a bit of a geek because I know more about the comp than anyone I know excepting my mother(comp engineer) and my friend Jess(uber geek extrodinare), but other than that... I am the super intelligent one everyone hates, but tries to be friendly with so they will do their work for them one too, but I am the mean one everyone really hates because I don't do work for people and if they ask me for the answers, I'll give them the answers.... the WRONG ones!!! muahahahahahahahahaha

[HobbitGirl]

Ok, Arathin wins. Giving the wrong answers to moochers just plain rocks. :D

[YayGollum]

I don't think I've ever run into the Gothic type people at my school. oh well. sorry about that. *hides* That must be a nice school that lets you wear all of that craziness and listen to music. *sniff*

[The-Elf-Herself]

Oooooh! Goths! Huzzah! *Laughs insanely* I scare them, I think. It's funny I guess, I mean, I'll go right up and just look at them and they know that even though I look like a normal person, I'm as outcasted as they are, even more, and I'm not intimidated by them or scared of them, I just see them as another person.

[YayGollum]

Those crazy types are trying to scare or intimidate people? Why are they not considered evil for that? Yikes! Delighting in the fear of others, even if that wasn't your main goal, sounds pretty evil to me. *sniff* oh well. Maybe they just pretend to not care if other people are afraid. I don't know. They don't care, but they expect it? I don't know. just wondering. Wait. Does the The_elf_Herself person want to scare the poor Goth types? :eek: :rolleyes:

[Nóm]

Well there's all kinds of goths and maybe some want to scare people, but many do not.

I never consider myself a goth but others have, and I might have intimidated some people in my time but I never intended to. Yet I am not the kind who wears all sorts of really crazy things. I guess people have said I am goth only because I wear a lot of black... I do not wear marlyn manson make-up or blue hair. I rather not call attention to myself. Honestly I am not sure what the definition of 'goth' is supposed to be. I've heard people argue over it.

For example, you have the punkish sorts of goths, and then the little marylin manson type of goths, and then the (often older) more sophisticated kinds of goths.

As for my social standing, I wouldn't really put me in any catagory but I suppose maybe a bit of a bad girl type of geek, if there is such a thing? Really I am mostly an outcast because I am very reserved, find small talk to be absurd, find most people's conversation boring, and rather go to a library or in the park than go to a bar like most people my age. Rather watch something on Discovery channel than MTV.

[YayGollum]

Well, if that's your definition of a Goth, then I've been one for a while and never knew it. oh well. That's cool. Black is one of my favorite colors. Wearing dark colors is the best. Why make people think that you're normally bright and cheery? Ick. *collapses* :rolleyes:

[Nóm]

I don't really have a definition of it, and I think most people base it on the way a person is dressed. I have friends who count themselves as goths, and from what I have seen a lot of them regard it as being anti-social, far from the normal, and having a gloomy outlook... seeing the dark and sad side of everything.

I wouldn't say you are a goth, Yay. But then I wouldn't say anyone is unless they claim to be.

[The-Elf-Herself]

No, I don't scare them on purpose, it's just a side effect and it's not so much scare as weird out. My cousin and a lot of her friends are goths and they're used to people being scared of them/reacting to them based on how they dress or carry themselves, so they find in strange that someone sort of hippy-dippy average looking person like me can go up and just strike up a conversation with them, not giving a fig for how they look.

[Arathin]

Yay!!! I win for giving out wrong answers... actually it is very funny... because they ask me for the answers and always expect the correct ones even though I always give them the wrong ones. The teacher even knows i do. She loves it, that is why she lets me listen to my headphones... in some classes the teachers let us. in some I have to sneak to listen to them...

[YayGollum]

Got it. Crazy school and teacher you have there. Anyways, it sounds like people have different definitions for Goth types. oh well. This Arathin person has never seemed to me to be the type that always focuses on the negative sides of everything. oh well. Maybe she's just being especially nice for us. :eek: :rolleyes:

[Dragon]

goth..... *too lazy to explain, but is sure she could give a really good one if she wanted 2*

I don't give out wrong answers, I talk them throught it veeeeeerrrrryyyyyy sllllloloooooowwwwwlllyyy, c if anyone expects the easy way out with me!and I wont go away until they get it right, either, if they're gonna ask 4 help, that's what they're gonna get:D :D :D most ppl gave up on me a long time ago, but some ppl still try, it's really funny, 'cause I start to helpo them in the way that I help, and they realize what I'm doing, so they're like, "oh, I get ut, u can go away now," or "u know what?, I'll just ask (insert name here)"

heheh, it doesn't work that way my friend, do not ask the mastah 4 help unless u want help:rolleyes: :D

[Rhiannon]

The only place I have ever seen a Goth in full regalia is at a renaissance faire. I have known one or two people who didn't get in to any kind of get-up but definintely considered themselves to be Goth. I've never thought of myself as Goth, though every once in a while someone will tell me that I'm 'kind of Goth'. My voice coach in Japan told me I as 'dark' (and that because I was dark I would appreciate Dorothy Parker- and I do).


Really I am mostly an outcast because I am very reserved, find small talk to be absurd, find most people's conversation boring, and rather go to a library or in the park than go to a bar like most people my age. Rather watch something on Discovery channel than MTV.

Hear hear!

[Annushka]

I guess we don't have Goths here in Armenia. People stare at others whenever they see a pierced nose or something. My knowledge of them is restricted by the Hollywood movies and stuff.

What about tatoos? Cause there was a time when I wanted to have one just to show people that I don`t care. But it never happened cause a tatoo wouldn`t go with my face. Or with the expresion on my face. But I still desperately want one:(

And MTV is outrageous. This word has a negative meaning, right? Some time ago I was watching something called - date tailers or tail-daters. All they were talking about was how big the girls' breasts were. Really strange:confused:

[Arathin]

Yeah I hate MTV. I only watch VHI for music videos and always change the channel when rap or pop comes on. Don't get me wrong... I like European and Asian pop and rap, but not American... blah!

I am very nice on here, yay. much nicer than I am in real life, trust me there. You can ask Goldie, if you wish, but I don't get to see her that often since she changed high schools... *tear* I almost always take the darker look on life because it is more fun. Most people try to look on the 'bright' side, so I counter them in every arguement in classes/halls/etc with the 'dark' side. It is great seeing the expressions on their faces. Like once, someone was talking about this cute gas-station guy they wanted to date, and all her friends were going on about all the 'good' things that could happen if she did go out with him. So I was sitting in front of my locker and heard them... Then I pip up, "Or he could rape and kill you!" I said it so loudly the whole hall could hear it and it was at lunch so a quarter of the school was in that specific hall. The look on that girl's face was priceless, cause she just stared at me and knew I didn't care two cents what happened to her if she did go out with him. She could tell that because I said my piece and immediately buried my face back in my copy of 'Dune'... Muaahahahahaha I love tormenting the preppy, 'popular' people...

[Annushka]

I just love your *Muaahahahahaha* thing:D:D:)

[Arathin]

Thankie much!!!

I'm also politier on here...

[Dragon]

haha. have u heard of Ks method? she and her friends have notecards with PREPPY! written on them, and whenever they think sum1s preppy, they hold them up and cover their faces:D :D :D hilariousness!:D :D :D

[Arathin]

Sounds like fun, but that would mean I would have to plaster Preppy notecards on all but like five people in my bloody school!!! and that wouldn't be fun...

[Dragon]

hmmm.... don't plaster it on them, just hold it up all the time:D

and I can't do that next yr, I'm going 2 a ghetto school, but it has an awesome computer/math/science program, so...:( :rolleyes: :eek:

[YayGollum]

*cringes* Yikes, scary Annushka person! Why would you want a tattoo anywhere on you? Especially your face. It hurts when you get them. Why allow pain to happen when it's easily avoidable? Why pay someone to hurt you? Ick. Makes no sense. Anyways, Yay for being nice and polite with the Outcasts, crazy Arathin person. But then, from that example, I wouldn't call you an especially dark minded person. You're just disappointed with the human race and having fun with messing with them. Happens all the time.

[Annushka]

Who said anything about a tatoo on my face!!!????? Am I crazy??? I`m not!!! That was scary, Yay. Anyway, some people agree that having anything on your body is not very healthy and nice. And I`m sure it's not possible to make a tattoo with anesteology (sp). So I guess, I`ll never have a one. No big deal.

[Kailita]

Oh yes. I've been meaning to post in here for quite a while.

There are two different kinds of Gothic.

Gothic, according to my Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition ---> of or having to do with the Germanic people that invaded and conquered most of the Roman Empire; a sinister/eerie atmosphere to suggest horror and mystery.

Then Gothic as you'll hear it used in school ---> People who dress all in black, believe life is pointless, usually wrapped up in depression/apathy, and go out of their way to be outcasted. Or that is the generalized highschool definition of goth, anyway. You also have your punk-goths, who are a whole different story.

Personally, I have nothing against goths, though I think that they must be living a pretty sad lifestyle. I'd love to offer them some hope. Hardcore goths usually have very deep minds, but they're just so buried in their angst that they can't see any beauty. I don't want to scare them or bother them or "fix" them...I just want to make them smile.

You don't sound especially Gothic to me, Arathin. Just Outcasted. Welcome to the club. :)

I'm way too soft when it comes to giving out answers. :rolleyes: I've gotten a little better at it. But mostly I'll just give people the answers they need as long as they leave me alone.

Who is Dorothy Parker, Rhi? :confused:

I would never get a tattoo, just because I'm horribly frightened of needles and pain. :o:rolleyes: But I don't have anything against people who have them or want to get them. MTV is...interesting. And that's all I have to say about that. :rolleyes: Our culture is so messed up.

The preppy card is glooooorious. One of our better ideas. All will bow and grovel to the sacred PREPPY card...:D

[Rhiannon]

Dorothy Parker is an writer and poet from the roaring 20s- she's cynical, dark, and brilliant. I love her. One of her most famous is this one:

Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren't lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live.

And my favorite, her wonderful, hysterical essay The Little Hours (http://www.empyrean.ca/words/littlehr.html) - I was on a bus when I read it for the first time, and everyone was staring at me.

[Kailita]

Ohhh...*laughs uproariously*...that is hilarious. :D:D *Wipes tears from eyes*

[Dragon]

well....it seems like it could have been funny if I knew who la rouchefocaulde or whoever was, but I dont'.... I liked the part about the sheep tho:D :D :D

[Arathin]

I plan on getting a Tolkien tattoo at least. but I have already planned out several others, a few tolkien-esque, a few not. I like pain, makes me know I'm alive still, which can be depressing, but at least, if I am alive I can still torment other people's existances.

I am also outcast for the music i listen to... I mean I mix David Bowie, H.O.T. (wonderful Korean band, go get their music), Marlyn Manson, Moonspell, Midnight Syndicate, etc, etc, etc... mercilessly. I play my music like really loud, so people can hear it despite my headphones, and they all look at me like I am crazy when the music goes from "Full Moon Madness" by Moonspell, to "The Death Song" by Manson, to "Vampire's Kiss" by Midnight Syndicate, to "I-yah" by H.O.T. tis great

[Rhiannon]

D, I don't know who La Roch-thing is either, but the context was enough for me to still split my sides over it.