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Eliot
06-06-2003, 08:27 PM
I'd just like to discuss the Battle of Sedan, which was fought September 1st, 1870. Have any of you ever considered what would've happened if the French had won the this battle? Of course, different people have different opinions on matters such as this. I've taken a qoute from the book Great Battlefields of the World by John MacDonald. Here's what the author wrote on the subject.

The humiliation of French arms at Sedan decided the outcome of the war. The surrender of Napoleon III was a catastrophic blow to the Second Empire, and the Bonaparte dynasty, unstable and increasingly unpopular, could not survive. On 4 September, the Empire was overthrown by a popular uprising in Paris. Napoleon followed his Empress into exile in England, and the Third Republic was proclaimed by Léon Gambetta.
Within a fortnight, the Prussians had advanced on Paris and begun a long and harrowing siege of the city. Gambetta escaped to the south by balloon to raise new armies. Three successive sorties by the Paris garrison failed. Trochu, the military governor, sought an armistice and on 29 January 1871, at the Convention of of Versailles, all French regular troops surrendered. Paris was occupied by the Prussians and at Versailles Wilhelm I, King of Prussia, was proclaimed German Emperor.
In May 1871, under the terms of the Treaty of Frankfurt, France was forced to cede Alcase and two-thirds of Lorraine. Germany had replaced France as the greatest European land power.

As I see it, if the French had won this battle, then there wouldn't have been any World War's, or a Communist uprising in Russia (which was cause primarily by the first World War), which would mean there wouldn't have been a Cold War. That's amazing to think.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. This is, of course, my theory, and possibly many others. If you have different thoughts, I'd really enjoy hearing them.

Eriol
06-06-2003, 09:59 PM
This kind of thread is very fun :D

But really, I think this would only have meant a delay. Look at the map of Europe at that time. It was only a matter of time before Prussia (Germany) established herself as the dominant power in Western Europe. Not only territory, but coal mines, population, public education, military organization, etc. etc. were all in favor of the Prussians.

The only way to prevent German domination would be to prevent German unification. What wily old Richelieu spent his life doing, centuries earlier -- now that's a shrewd guy!

And this is also interesting for the future. Unified Germany is -- now -- the dominant economical power in Europe. Even if we assume that an unified Europe will last (still too early to tell), won't it gradually turn into an Germanized Europe? Will other peoples agree to that (French, British)?

Only time will tell.

Eliot
06-06-2003, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by Eriol
But really, I think this would only have meant a delay. Look at the map of Europe at that time. It was only a matter of time before Prussia (Germany) established herself as the dominant power in Western Europe. Not only territory, but coal mines, population, public education, military organization, etc. etc. were all in favor of the Prussians.

You're right. That's very true.


Originally posted by Eriol
And this is also interesting for the future. Unified Germany is -- now -- the dominant economical power in Europe. Even if we assume that an unified Europe will last (still too early to tell), won't it gradually turn into an Germanized Europe? Will other peoples agree to that (French, British)?

Only time will tell.

Yes, I believe an actual European Union (not just an economic group, but an actual Confederacy, a nation to rival the US) will probably be dominated by the Germans. I'm not saying that that's a bad thing, it's just likely, IMO.

I'm guessing that the Brits and the French would probably be a little hesitant to join a confederacy like that. Obviously they don't mind economic unions, but what about government unions? Do you really think they'd join a group like that? I'm not so sure they would.

You're last comment is very true.

I'd like to see other peoples opinions. I know the Time Lords doesn't just consist of me and Eriol. :D