The 2003 TTF Debating Tournament - Schedule/Scoreboard

[Aulë]

TOURNAMENT LEADERS
Tournament Co-ordinator: FoolOfATook
Topic Controller: Maedhros (Reserves: Ancalagon and Eriol)
B&F Vote Keeper: Idril
Scoreboard Operator / Statistician: Aulë

LINKS
Tournament Discussion (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10805)
Tournament Rules Draft (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12104)
Guild of Eruhíni Tournament Discussion (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11723)
Guild of Ost-in-Edhil Tournament Discussion (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11782)
Guild of the Periaur Tournament Discussion (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10806)
Guild of Tolkienology Tournament Discussion 1 (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11729)
Guild of Tolkienology Tournament Discussion 2 (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10938)
Guild of Scholar's Hall Tournament Discussion (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10923)
Guild of Outcasts Tournament Discussion (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10881)

SCHEDULE
ROUND 1 (18th - 24th May)
Outcasts 1.5 vs. 3.5 Tolkienology (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11787) (Host: Scholars - ithrynluin) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11891)
Ost-in-Edhil 5 vs. 0 Eruhíni (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11780) (Host: Periaur - Aulë) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=315891#post315891)
Scholars 1 vs. 4 Periaur (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11789) (Host: Outcasts - Nóm) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=314922#post314922)

ROUND 2 (1st - 7th June)
Tolkienology 0.5 vs. 4.5 Periaur (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11971) (Host: Ost-in-Edhil - Arvedui) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12081)
Ost-in-Edhil 3 vs. 2 Scholars (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11965) (Host: Eruhíni - Scatha) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12070)
Eruhíni 0 vs. 5 Outcasts (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11958) (Host: Tolkienology - Anamatar) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12073)

ROUND 3 (15th - 21st June)
Scholars 3 vs. 2 Tolkienology (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=12148) (Host: Ost-in-Edhil - Chymaera) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=12249)
Periaur 5 vs. 0 Eruhíni (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12114) (Host: Tolkienology - Beleg_strongbow) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=12234)
Outcasts 2 vs. 3 Ost-in-Edhil (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12095) (Host: Periaur - snaga1) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=12260)

ROUND 4 (29th June - 5th July)
Eruhíni 0.5 vs. 4.5 Scholars (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12328) (Host: Outcasts - YayGollum) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12481)
Tolkienology 2 vs. 3 Ost-in-Edhil (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12316) (Host: Scholars - Maedhros) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12448)
Periaur 1 vs. 4 Outcasts (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12336) (Host: Eruhíni - Scatha) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12419)

ROUND 5 (20th - 26th July)
Outcasts 2.5 vs. 2.5 Scholars (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12510) (Host: Eruhíni - Omnipotent_elf) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12595)
Ost-in-Edhil 5 vs. 0 Periaur (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12518) (Host: Tolkienology - Anamatar) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12647)
Tolkienology 5 vs. 0 Eruhíni (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12509) (Host: Periaur - Aulë) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12604)

ROUND 6 (3rd August - 6th September)
Tolkienology 2.5 vs. 2.5 Outcasts (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12651) (Host: Scholars - baragund) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12781)
Eruhíni 2 vs. 3 Ost-in-Edhil (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12637) (Host: Outcasts - Nóm) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13002)
Periaur 1.5 vs. 3.5 Scholars (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12684) (Host: Ost-in-Edhil - Chymaera) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13024)

ROUND 7 (7th September - 13th September)
Periaur 4.5 vs. 0.5 Tolkienology (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13090) (Host: Eruhíni - Bethelarien) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13242)
Scholars 4 vs. 1 Ost-in-Edhil (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13003) (Host: Tolkienology - Gil-Galad) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13292)
Outcasts 4 vs. 1 Eruhíni (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13077) (Host: Scholars - baragund) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13241)

ROUND 8 (1st October - 7th October)
Tolkienology 3 vs. 2 Scholars (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13374) (Host: Periaur - Niniel) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13560)
Eruhíni 0.5 vs. 4.5 Periaur (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13437) (Host: Ost-in-Edhil - Ancalagon) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13669)
Ost-in-Edhil 1 vs. 4 Outcasts (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13367) (Host: Eruhíni - Bethelarien) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13670)

ROUND 9 (24th October - 30th October)
Scholars 1 vs. 4 Eruhíni (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13649) (Host: Ost-in-Edhil - Gothmog) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13853)
Ost-in-Edhil 3 vs. 2 Tolkienology (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13644) (Host: Outcasts - Rhiannon) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13774)
Outcasts 2 vs. 3 Periaur (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13640) (Host: Scholars - Elfarmari) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13779)

ROUND 10 (8th November - 14th November)
Scholars 3 vs. 2 Outcasts (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13790) (Host: Tolkienology- Gil-Galad) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?t=13995)
Periaur 2 vs. 3 Ost-in-Edhil (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13812) (Host: Outcasts - Nóm) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?t=13906)
Eruhíni 4 vs. 1 Tolkienology (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13813) (Host: Periaur - Celebthôl) (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?t=13960)

LADDER
TEAM P W L D VF VA VD PTS
Ost-in-Edhil 10 8 2 0 30 20 +10 24
Periaur 10 6 4 0 30 20 +10 18
Scholars 10 5 4 1 26.5 23.5 +3 16
Outcasts 10 4 4 2 29.5 20.5 +9 14
Tolkienology 10 3 6 1 22 27 -5 10
Eruhíni 10 2 8 0 12 38 -26 6

P = Debates Played
W = Debates Won (3 points)
L = Debates Lost (0 points)
D = Debates Drawn (1 point)
VF = Votes For
VA = Votes Against
VD = Votes Difference
Pts = Points

Note: The rankings are firstly determined by points. If two Guilds are tied on points, their position shall be determined by the VD. If they are still tied, the Guild with the most VF will finish on top.
If it is still tied, the position will be determined by the head-to-head record between the Guilds.

A 'Draw' vote is worth 0.5 both both teams

[Aulë]

TEAMS (D, J and H Updated for Round 10)
(D = # of debates) (N = # of debate posts) (J = # times judged) (H = # times hosted)

D N J H
Periaur
-Aulë (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3818) 6 17 5 2
-Celebthôl (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3296)* 5 11 2 1
-Elbereth (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=1618) 3 2 0 0
-Legolam (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=1079) 7 9 1 0
-Legoman (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=1537) 1 1 0 0
-Niniel (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2114) 4 11 3 1
-Snaga1 (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=1872) 8 51 9 1
-Tookish-Girl (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=181) 3 0 0 0
-Wonko the Sane (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2461) 3 0 1 0

Tolkienologists
-Anamatar IV (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3011) 4 4 2 2
-Beleg (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3994)* 6 20 5 1
-Eledhwen (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2487) 0 0 1 0
-Eriol (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3289) 6 45 2 0
-Eöl (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3227) 1 3 0 0
-Finduilas (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3321) 4 13 0 0
-Gate7ole (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3207) 3 9 0 0
-Gil-Galad (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2288) 3 11 5 2
-Lantarion (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=9) 1 0 0 0
-Lhunithiliel (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2801) 5 49 3 0
-Manveru (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4847) 3 10 1 0
-Mormegil (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2354) 0 0 1 0
-Mrs. Maggott (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3293) 1 6 0 0
-Starflower (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=5184) 2 1 0 0

ScholarsÆ
-Baragund (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4448) 7 19 6 2
-BlackCaptain (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3743) 1 8 1 0
-Captain (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4845) 2 1 1 0
-Elendil3119 (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4354) 3 6 0 0
-Elfarmari (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=1269) 6 9 2 1
-Feanorian (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4485) 5 13 1 0
-Frodo Baggins (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4673) 1 0 0 0
-Inderjit S (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4287) 6 25 2 0
-Maedhros (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2152) 7 44 6 1
-Nenya Evenstar (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2912) 0 0 1 0

Ost-in-Edhil
-Ancalagon (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=16) 8 17 5 1
-Arvedui (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3061) 8 22 3 1
-Chrysophalax (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=1879) 3 6 2 0
-Chymaera (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=1294) 8 13 4 2
-Gothmog (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=100) 7 28 5 1
-Ravenna (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2831) 3 7 0 0
-Turgon (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2089) 3 3 1 0

Outcasts Æ
-Munchkin (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3506) 1 0 0 0
-Nóm (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2371) 9 67 10 3
-Rhiannon (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4447) 3 2 3 1
-Sarah (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3064) 6 0 0 0
-The-Elf-Herself (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4131) 6 6 3 0
-YayGollum (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=522) 9 23 4 1

Eruhíni Æ
-Bethelarien (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3977) 9 16 5 2
-Glorfindel1187 (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2809) 1 0 0 0
-Khôr’nagan (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=5029) 0 0 1 0
-Ledreanne313 (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4557) 1 0 0 0
-Nevavarein (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3033) 1 0 1 0
-Omnipotent_elf (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3853) 8 27 3 1
-Scatha (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4040) 7 24 7 2
-The_Swordmaster (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4355) 8 1 2 0


Neutral
-Aerin (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=139) 0 0 1 0
-Beorn (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2) 0 0 2 0
-Ciryaher (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3)@ 0 0 2 0
-FoolOfATook (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3674)* 1 0 2 0
-HLGStrider (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=697) 0 0 2 0
-Idril (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4257)* 0 0 5 0
-ILLOTRTM (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2347) 0 0 2 0
-Ithrynluin (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2414)* 1 0 9 1
-Reem (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3677)@ 0 0 3 0
-Talierin (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4) 0 0 3 0
* ithrynluin debated (R1 v GotP) and hosted (R1 GoO v GoT) once for the Scholars (But judged as a Neutral)
* Beleg_strongbow represented the Eruhíni as a judge once (R1 GoS v GoS)
* Idril represented the Scholars as a judge once (R2 GotP v GoT)
* FoolOfATook debated (R3 v GoS) and judged (R1 GoS v GotP) once for the Tolkienologists
* Celebthôl judged once as a Neutral (R5 GoS v GoO)
Æ GoE debated with 3 debators in R4 , R5 and R9, and 2 debators in R8
Æ GoO debated with 2 debators in R7, R9 and R10
Æ GoS debated with 3 debators in R10
@ In R6, GoO v GoT, reem's and Ciryaher's votes were averaged for a result

[Ciryaher]

Originally posted by FoaT

TTF Debate Tournament Rules - Round-robin phase

1.This tournament will be contested by the Debating Guilds already inscribed by the Tournament Organizer:

The Guild of Dwarves/Elves
The Guild of Ost-in-Edhil
The Guild of Outcasts
The Guild of the Periaur
The Guild of Scholars
The Guild of Tolkienologists

This is to say that any breach by an individual member of a guild can and will be regarded as a breach by that particular guild. All Guild-Masters have the duty to publicize these rules inside their own Guilds to prevent inadvertent breaches, possibly resulting in penalty for the Guild.

2. In the debates of the Round-robin phase, the following procedure must be followed:

a) A Host shall be selected by the Guild responsible for hosting that particular debate, according to the rotation previously established by the TO (Tournament Organizer);
b) The Host will select 4 judges among the other neutral Guilds, and 1 Neutral (Guild-less) Judges;
c) The Debating Guilds shall select teams of 4 members, among its own members;
d) Members of more than one Guild cannot debate for two different Guilds in the Tournament - the penalty for breaching this rule is forfeiting the match in which he played for a second Guild, with further penalties for the offending Guild under the discretion of the Tournament Organizer.

3. DUTIES OF THE HOST

a) To open the debate thread in the Home Guild (see below);
b) To choose a topic, following the procedures established below;
c) To conduct the debate;
d) To set the time for the end of the Debate, usually 7 days after the first post of the Debate proper (the Host can adjust this period slightly for convenience purposes, according to his Time Zone)
e) To close the thread, or ask a moderator to do so, after the debate is over;
f) To open a Judging thread in which the Judges’ opinions will be publicized;
g) To report the result to the Tournament Organizer;
h) To deal out penalties, in accordance with Rule 9.

4. DUTIES OF THE GUILDS

a) There will be a Home Guild and a visiting Guild in each debate, according to the rotation established by the TO;
b) The Home Guild shall choose the side it wants to defend in the debate, and make the first post;
c) The Visiting Guild shall defend the other side in the debate;
d) The members of the Debating Teams of both Guilds shall be named before any post is made addressing the topic itself – it is a duty of both Guilds to announce the teams as quickly as possible.

5. DUTIES OF THE JUDGES

a) Each judge shall examine the debate thoroughly once it is over, and post a considered opinion in support of his vote;
b) There shall be no time limit for the presentation of the vote, but each judge must agree beforehand to devote his full consideration for the debate. The position of Judge is very demanding, and members who do not feel they will have the time to do it should refuse the duty before the Debate begins.

6. SELECTION OF TOPICS

a) As was set out in 3b, the Host must select a topic. Maedhros is the sole person in charge of the topics. Any topic must be pre-approved by him. If the Host does not want to offer any topic of his own, Maedhros shall supply him with a topic;
b) If any of the involved Guilds does not agree with the topic, he must inform the Host;
c) The Host is the sole person in charge of accepting or not the Guild’s plea for a change of topic, and he shall not, under any circumstances, accept this plea after there has been a post from each Guild in the Debate thread.

7. DEBATE PROCEDURES

a) There is no restriction as regards the order of posting, or length of posting, in any case.
b) The Rules of Conduct set out below apply at all times.

8. RULES OF CONDUCT IN THE DEBATE

a) The TTF general rules of conduct apply at all times = no personal attacks, no use of offensive terms, etc.
b) Sarcasm and irony are accepted, and perhaps even encouraged ; as long as they are directed to the arguments, and not to the people involved;
c) No posts in the judging thread shall be made in an attempt to influence the judges, either by the debating members or by other members of any Guild;
d) Any and all *bashings* of any participant (Judges or Host or Members) outside the respective Guild of the person posting the *bashing* shall be subject to penalties according to Rule 9; the provision that a post inside the Guild is exempt of penalty does not apply to directly-related threads (Debate, Judging);
e) All members participating directly in the debate shall be held up to the strictest conditions of courtesy and good sportsmanship;
f) Posts by non-participants (Debators, Host, Judges) in the Debate thread shall be frowned upon and can subject the offending Guild to penalty, as set out under Rule 9.

9. PENALTIES IN THE DEBATE

a) Breach of any of the above rules, and particularly breaches of the Rules of Conduct (Rule 8), shall be subject to penalty;
b) The Host of the Debate is the person in charge of dealing out penalties - no penalty shall be given without his assent;
c) The first penalty for any Guild after a Rule breach must, in all cases, consist of a Warning, with no further effects;
d) The third penalty, and subsequent penalties for any Guild after the same Rule has been breached three times must, in all cases, consist of the loss of 1 point in the overall standings;
e) The second penalty for any Guild after the same Rule has been breached two times is left at the discretion of the Host - either Warning or Loss of a point in the overall standings.

10. APPEALING PENALTIES

a) An appeals committee must be established by the Tournament Organizer, including:

The Tournament Organizer himself;
A Member appointed by the Guild of Dwarves/Elves
A Member appointed by the Guild of Ost-in-Edhil
A Member appointed by the Guild of Outcasts
A Member appointed by the Guild of the Periaur
A Member appointed by the Guild of Scholars
A Member appointed by the Guild of Tolkienologists
A Neutral (Guild-less) Member.

b) Any member of the appeals committee who is a member of an appealing Guild (either defendant or plaintiff) in a given appeal must excuse himself from participating in the appeals process;
c) If there is any appeal the Tournament Organizer will open a thread in the Member Announcements Forum to hear both sides of the story; in this thread, after a period not over three days since its opening, the arguments for the appeal by defendant and plaintiff must be presented;
d) After the argument phase is over the members of the appeals committee shall vote. In case of a tie the Neutral member has the tie-breaker vote; if he refuses this duty, the tie-breaker vote goes to the Tournament Organizer;
e) The members of the Appeals Committee shall take no more than 3 days after the end of the argument phase to vote;
f) There shall be no consideration of any appeal if the reason for the warning/penalty was a breach of the TTF general rules of conduct.

[Lhunithiliel]

Originally posted by Aulë

* ithrynluin debated (R1 v GotP) and hosted (R1 GoO v GoT) once for the Scholars (But judged as a Neutral)
* Beleg_strongbow represented the GoE/D as a judge once (R1 GoS v GoS)
* Idril represented the Scholars as a judge once (R2 GotP v GoT)
* FoolOfATook debated (R3 v GoS) and judged (R1 GoS v GotP) once for the Tolkienologists
* Celebthôl judged once as a Neutral (R5 GoS v GoO)
Æ GoE/D debated with 3 debators in R4 and R5
Æ GoO debated with 2 debators in R7
@ In R6, GoO v GoT, reem's and Ciryaher's votes were averaged for a result. [/B]
That looks pretty nice with all these stars and singns all in colours...But what's the point, Aule?...I mean....there have been other people who have participated, hosted debates and judged.... What's so special about those above?

[Aulë]

They are just the exceptions. eg, ithrynluin started off in the GoS, but he changed to Neutral in Round 2.
Most of those exceptions occured before you and Eriol had set up those nifty rules. So very few have occured since Round 1.

Also, if you care to look above those names, you'll see a huge list of all the debators (kinda hard to miss ;) ). The numbers under the 'D' column tell you how many debates that person has been in. The numbers under the 'J' column tell you how many times that person has judged, etc, etc.

[Lhunithiliel]

Oh...I see....:rolleyes:

Also, if you care to look above those names, you'll see a huge list of all the debators (kinda hard to miss ).
Yeah! Hard to miss it!
Prepare to put a "J" next to my name! :p

[Maedhros]

* ithrynluin debated (R1 v GotP) and hosted (R1 GoO v GoT) once for the Scholars (But judged as a Neutral)
You might want to change this Aulë, he didn't debate for GoS, he was in the team but he didn't debate.

[Nóm]

And that reminds me of a new statistic for you, Aule.

Next to the number of debates a person was scheduled in, you could put the number of debates they actually took part in. So for ithrynluin instead of putting 1 you could put 0/1. You can get to it when you are done counting the average word length per post of each debator ;).

[Aulë]

Maedhros- he was listed in the team, so his considered apart of the debate. Just because he didn't post doesn't mean that he didn't do any 'behind the scenes' researching. And even if he didn't, it would require WAY too much effort to inquire about everyone else who is listed and didn't debate.

Nom- Maybe if I had a LOT of spare time on my hands, I would do that. But I don't, so either you can waste five hours researching, or it can wait till next Tournament. ;)

[Nóm]

Aule... get the confusticated scoreboard back up! Don't be a nimrod (before anyone reports that as a personal attack... maybe I mean it as Sindarin ;)).

[Idril]

cross posted with 'discussion thread'

I have missing nominations for the Best & Fairest Debator. Have PM'ed these, but incase they have missed them .....

Chymaera - Round 6 - GoP vs Scholars
Beth - Round 7 - GoP vs GoT done
Beth - Round 8 - OiE vs GoO done
Anc - Round 8 - GoE/D vs GoP

Has any got a contact for Anamatar - I'm missing his Round 5 - OiE vs GoP points. edit: I have been in touch with Anamatar and hopefully he's working on it. done

Now just for Chymaera.

[Gothmog]

Aulë, I am asking that you put back the two posts you have deleted. I will not take sides over what has happened but There is no need to punish the rest of the membership over a dispute between you and Scatha.

[Celebthôl]

Originally posted by Idril
cross posted with 'discussion thread'
Has any got a contact for Anamatar - I'm missing his Round 5 - OiE vs GoP points.

He will never be online again, by all accounts. . .

[Aulë]

Originally posted by Celebthôl
He will never be online again, by all accounts. . .

Are you sure?
Hmm...

Perhaps we could get a Neutral person (eg, ithrynluin) to determine the votes for that debate then?

[Gothmog]

Thanks for putting beck the deleted posts. :)

[Idril]

Originally posted by Aulë
Perhaps we could get a Neutral person (eg, ithrynluin) to determine the votes for that debate then?

I managed to get hold of Anamatar over at MERPG.

Anyone know what's happened to Chymaera?

[Lhunithiliel]

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------TEAM P W L D VF VA VD PTS
Ost-in-Edhil 8 6 2 0 24 16 +8 18
Periaur 8 5 3 0 25 15 +10 15
Outcasts 8 4 2 2 25.5 14.5 +11 14
Scholars 8 4 3 1 22.5 17.5 +5 13
Tolkienology 8 3 4 1 19 21 -2 10
Eruhíni 8 0 8 0 4 36 -32 0
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Not that it matters too much, but could we have this table fixed and up-dated, please?

And I would like to know what are these "-2" points for our Guild?

Oh! And I was looking through the table showing TTF-ers' participation in the Tournament.
Aule, Sweetheart!, I have already been a judge! :p :D That table needs updating as well, methinks. :rolleyes:

[Nóm]

That -2 is the number of votes difference between the number of votes for your guild (you have 19) and number of votes against your guild (you have 21). So that just means that GoT have two more votes against them than for them.

And I see GoO has a higher amount of votes for us, and least amount against us than any other guild. I guess this means we are the best? ;)

[Aulë]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
Not that it matters too much, but could we have this table fixed and up-dated, please?

And I would like to know what are these "-2" points for our Guild?

Oh! And I was looking through the table showing TTF-ers' participation in the Tournament.
Aule, Sweetheart!, I have already been a judge! :p :D That table needs updating as well, methinks. :rolleyes:

"Fixed?" What's wrong with it?
And how can I update it anymore? No Round 9 judgements have been completed yet.

I shall update the 'Judgements' stats when I find out who Gothmog's judges are for his Round 9 debate. Then you'll have the honour of having a nice '1' next to your name under the 'J' column.

[Nóm]

Unless I'm mistaken, this is the final score:

LADDER
TEAM P W L D VF VA VD PTS
Ost-in-Edhil 10 8 2 0 30 20 +10 24
Periaur 10 6 4 0 30 20 +10 18
Scholars 10 5 4 1 26.5 23.5 +3 16
Outcasts 10 4 4 2 29.5 20.5 +9 14
Tolkienology 10 3 6 1 22 27 -5 10
Eruhíni 10 2 8 0 12 38 -26 6

[Gothmog]

And let us all give the congratulations due to the Eruhini for the improvement they have managed to achieve throughout the course of this tournament. It is my view that they are the true victors here.

[Scatha]

And let us all give the congratulations due to the Eruhini for the improvement they have managed to achieve throughout the course of this tournament. It is my view that they are the true victors here.

Thanks Goth, :o but it has been a teameffort all the way for us and I am glad we improved ourselves. Congratulations to all those that have participated, for making this tournament worthwile and interesting.

I'll be looking forward to the next one, in any format. :)

[Wonko The Sane]

Congratulations to everyone for sticking with it and making the whole experience fun and successful! :D

[Aulë]

Everything has now been completely updated.
Well done to Ost-in-Edhil.

I believe that Idril shall be announcing the winner of the Best & Fairest Debator competition soon.

[Nóm]

Thanks a lot Aule, for all the hard work and efforts in keeping this thing together.

[Snaga]

Congratulations to Ost-In-Edhil. Your victory is well-deserved.:)