Debating Tournament: Periaur - Come Support Your Guild!!

[Aulë]

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10805

The 2003 TTF Debating Tournament is almost here!!!
The above thread is the discussion thread for the tournament, and if you wish to add something to what you think should happen in the tournament, please go make yourself heard.

Now, this thread is to come up with our squad for the tournament.
Please, please, please, please, please come support your guild and sign up!!

Also, we need one to three members to nominate themselves to host other debates in which the Periaur are not participating.

~Members of the Elite Periaur Debating Sqaud~
-Aulë
-Tookish-Girl
-Legolam
-snaga1
-Wonko the Sane
-Elbereth
-legoman
-Niniel

[tookish-girl]

Gulps, closes eyes, slowly raises hand.

I'll do it sir! Just don't blame me if we do really badly! What are we debating on first of all?

[Aulë]

OK, two members is just not good enough....:(

C'mon people (aragil, DGoeij, Ramagna, menchu and the rest) , your Guild needs you!!!

And Yay! to Tookish for setting an example for the rest of you.

[Legolam]

I would, but I'm off on holiday on Saturday for two weeks :cool:

Good luck!!

[Aulë]

It won't start for at least another week, and will run for several weeks. I'll add you to the list :D

[Snaga]

What is involved in this task?

I have some time for the first time in weeks and I might be able to help?

But, I'm only willing to do this if I'm able to sneer at the half-baked flimsy lines of sub-thought masquerading as argument put forth by Lost-n-Addled, or whatever they're called!;) (j/k ... sort of!)

[Aulë]

Well, you can either debate for the Periaur in the tournament, host a debate between other Guilds in the tournament (start up debate thread, come up with a debate topic, keep an eye on the debate, start judging thread, arrange judges, submit results to the tournament co-ordinator), or PM tit-bits of advice to the debators.

[Snaga]

Well I'll happily be in the Periaur debating team. I have a clear mind and a sharp tongue.

I don't mind judging as well.

Let me know what's the best way I can help.

[Legolam]

Woah, Pip! I wasn't aware I asked to be on the team!!!!!! Taking a few liberties there I think ;). Anyway, I may as well be on the team, so you can add my name to the list legally now! :rolleyes:

[Wonko The Sane]

Me too!

:) Thanks for adding me!

[Elbereth]

I of course will do what I can. I have never been a strong debator...I get tired of reading multiple quotes and trying to come up with something clever and original in response.

But I will fully support the Guild of Periaur in all it's efforts. We must show the rest of the forum that we are just as intellectual as they are...even if we do have more of a life and don't have time to debate the finer details of tolkien's works. (At least that is my excuse for not debating more often ;) )

*please forgive me for the un-leader-like response in this thread...I am posting this at 4am...and it seems that all of my recent posts have been filled with sarcasm and cynicism. Sorry guys...* :(

[Aulë]

Do you realise that we have the best debating record out of all the Guilds?
2 wins from 2 debates; a 100% winning record!

[legoman]

I would but I'm pants and I'm weak. The only arguements I win are the ones where I completely outwith the opponent with a silly comment.
Oh, unless its on guitars, then I can just about hold my own.

But I will stand just slightly behind you all with a coloured scarf with all of your names (its a long scarf) knitted in - I'll get my grandma right onto it...

[Wonko The Sane]

Cool! Wave that scarf proudly Legsieman!

[TheFool]

Sorry guys, I would sign up, only pretty soon I'll be in a whole other place.. entirely :eek: I'll probably post about this in the corporate ladder thread:)

But I have every faith in the Guild, I know that winning streak can be upheld!! Good luck ;)

[Wonko The Sane]

Our record might be that good only because we haven't had that many debates.

Just a thought. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Or um...I mean...because we're BRILLIANT!

[TheFool]

Both, I think ;)

[Wonko The Sane]

Ooh..yes.
Good save, Fool!

[Aulë]

OK, So this is the current squad:

-Elbereth (Team Captain)
-Legolam (Vice-Captain)
-Wonko the Sane
-Tookish-Girl
-legoman
-Aulë
-snaga1


Elbe, you'll have to make sure that we have 4 debaters for each Debate, and that the debaters post in the Debate.

We also need a volenteer to host a neutral Debate.
Snaga- I'm looking at you ;)

[Aulë]

Here is the Periaur team for the Round 1 debate against the Scholars Guild:

-Elbereth
-Wonko the Sane
-Legolam
-snaga1

I shall be hosting the OiE v Dwarves/Elves Debate.

Speak up if you want to be in the Round 2 debate :)

[Elbereth]

I dont' mean to be ignoring the guild or the debate...but I'm having serious issues with my computer at the momment...(read the thread in the member announcements about the new computer virus that is going around...because I think I have it...grrr).

So I may not be able to come on for awhile.

Hopefully I will have this resolved soon...otherwise, I wish you all good luck.

I'm really sorry! :(

Elbereth

[legoman]

Maggots.

Dey are debate.

[Aulë]

The first debate against the Scholars has begun. Check it out here:
http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11789

Good luck to all involved. :)

[Snaga]

I just blammed them with hefty left hook! Ka-pow! Take that you scholastic fools!:D

[Elbereth]

Great job Snaga!

I was able to take a quick look at the debate so far...but I don't have time to post anything tonight...I will see what I can do tommorow night...until then, I encourage everyone else (Wonko & Legolam) to jump in as well.

Keep up the good work Snaga! I'll do my best to back you up tommorow. ;)

[Inderjit S]

I just blammed them with hefty left hook! Ka-pow! Take that you scholastic fools!


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: You can 'celebrate' after the debate is won...by the Scholars :p

EDIT: So is the snaga1 vs the the GoS? He's the only one that has posted yet and he's put forward some very good ideas, but he needs help.....

[Legolam]

Wapow! Take that Scolars!! We Periaur are on a roll :D

[Snaga]

Yay! Great shot Legolam! Nice work Elbe! They're hurtin' bad! Let's keep 'em on the run! Thwock!!!:D

[Wonko The Sane]

I don't really feel qualified to participate in this debate since I don't have UT...
And I have no idea what is said in there.
But...hmm.
I'll go and see if I can offer anything based on what the debate says.
Sorry guys. :(

[Elbereth]

Don't worry about that Wonko...I didn't get any of my evidence from the UT...only from LOTR...there is plenty of info in the Appendices to keep up a strong argument. Don't get discouraged. :cool:

[Legolam]

Hey Wonks, don't tell anyone, but I haven't read UT all the way through yet either! Just pick holes in their arguments (there's lots!).

[Aulë]

Don't worry- Wonks has UT now! :D
Now she has no excuse ;)

[Elbereth]

I would like to take this time to apologize for my poor contribution to the debate earlier. , Looking back, I realize that it should have never been posted...and ultimately made us look more foolish (or at least me).

My only excuse is that I was very tired last night when I posted...and my mind was not clear. With that said...I am officially throwing in my towel. You do not need me jumping in making everyone look like fools. :(

Good Luck Periaur!

I have complete faith that you can beat those Scholars! ;)

[Nóm]

I can understand you wanting to drop out, Elbereth. I hope you will take part in later debates though. This is the first Tolkien debate I have seen you take part in. I don't know how many you have joined in the past, but even more experienced of us make mistakes, and if you still wish to try again I hope that you will. I posted the question without even noticing that Dul Guldur was spelled incorrectly. :o

Many of us have felt that we have made a fool of ourself (me... many times!). All I can do is encourage people to keep in mind that it happens to everyone else, and most others will not see you as being a fool for it, and if they do and speak of it, then they are being worse than a fool.

Going against Maedhros, is admirable in itself, in my eyes. He both knows the works better, and is a better debator than most anyone who officially debates Tolkien at TTF, in the opinion of many. Some think he is the best. That is a darn good team over at GoS, and you guys are putting up well against them (without giving away too much, since I am to be a judge!:D).

Other business too. Ithrynluin who was a member of the GoS team, no longer is, so if you are dropping out of the team for this debate, I'd like to make a small announcement of that in the debate thread. Just to make it official that the debate will continue with teams of 3.

[Wonko The Sane]

I think the debate is going quite well, Maedhros IS good, but Snaga...wow. He's doing so well.
I'm so proud of him!


And of everyone. :) You guys...Maedhros is good...but I think we stand a good chance of beating him. :)

[Wonko The Sane]

I promised to post yesterday...but TTF went down.

I promise to post soon. Very soon. :)

Before the end date at least. ;)

[Aulë]

You had better: there's only just over a day left! :eek:

And it gets even better: we're against the Tolkienologists next week! :eek:
Oh well, once the two better Guilds are out of the way, it should get easier (Until the reverse rubbers)...

[Aulë]

Yay! The debate is finally over :D
Well played Snaga, Legolam and Elbereth. You've made your Guild proud.

The judging thread for the debate can be found here: http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11872

[Wonko The Sane]

I'm sorry I didn't post.
I read the Quest for Erebor, and I read the debate thread twice.
But I didn't feel like I could contribute anything.
I mean, the things I would have said had been said by Snaga or Legolam etc. already.
And the last thing I wanted to do was to be a detriment to our team by posting things that DIDN'T help or that were misinformed. :(
I'm sorry.
:(
I'll do better next time...I'm sorry.

[Snaga]

Don't worry ... plenty more opportunities coming up.:)

As we speak it looks like we have our noses in front but its too close to call... I hope everyone's voted for us!:)

[Anamatar IV]

Greetings, Periaur. I need a judge from this guild for the Guild of Elves vs. Guild of Outcasts debate. If one of you could volunteer, that'd be great. Thanks!:)

[Aulë]

The team for the Round 2 Debate shall be:

snaga1
Aulë
Niniel
and, Wonko the Sane

Good luck. :)

[Lhunithiliel]

Originally posted by Aulë
The team for the Round 2 Debate shall be:

snaga1
Aulë
Niniel
and, Wonko the Sane

Good luck. :)
WOW!!!!
Now, let's hope for a good topic! ;) :D
It will be a pleasure to meet you, young schollars! :D

[Aulë]

We also look forward to debating against the honourable Tolkienologists.

But be patient, as we aren't very good.
In our last 2 debates we've only had a 100% winning record, and have defeated the Scholars and OiE...:o ;)

[Lhunithiliel]

Hehe :D
Sure! You'll have all our patience and..... pity! ;) :p :D

[Gil-Galad]

There is a song by Madonna:"You'll se"
So you'll see what will happen.You'll feel the might of the Tolkienologists.

[Lhunithiliel]

Hey...when is the "main squad" coming out?
Commom! Put some "fire" into the debate :p :D

And Aule, please, clean up your PM-box :)

[Aulë]

The Periaur are currently appealing to Arvedui that the topic be changed.
We think it's amazingly unfair, and Anamatar has said that the Tolkienologists would also prefer a more ambigious topic.

I know that you guys have been having fun stating the obvious, but we basically have NOTHING to say in response. :(

[Lhunithiliel]

WHAT???
But Aule, such things SHOULD be and MUST have been known to us as well! Don't you think? :eek:

[Legolam]

I've just read through the debate thread and it seems to be descending into a huge brawl. Now, I happen to agree with Aule that the topic is a horrendous one. I don't know who thought it would be a good one to debate, but they were obviously having a laugh. HOWEVER, surely the mark of a great debater is taking what looks like a bloody obvious answer and making those reading the debate question it. I think we should all pull together as a guild and help out Snaga, Niniel, Owly and Wonks. If we can pull this one off, nothing will hold any fear for us any more!!

:D

Come on guys, we're the best guild with a 100% debating record. Don't let this spoil it. Take the higher ground here :p

[Idril]

Well said Legolam! I hope to read something on the debate thread soon (other than argueing about the topic). I believe the clock is still running:)

[Legolam]

Maybe if this debate could run a little longer to accommodate all the arguments?

[Arvedui]

Well, considering you have now spent more than 2 of 7 days to argue the topic, I will not be in favour of prolonging it.

That does not mean to say that it is definately out of the question.

Now, I happen to agree with Aule that the topic is a horrendous one.

It might seem so at the first instant. But let me assure you that it is very possible to change the way it is standing now. There is still a number of openings the opponents have overlooked, that would, IMO, counter their present stance.

Remember what brought Sauron down: his main concern was with the Heir of Elendil, and the power of arms, and he overlooked the danger that crept ever nearer to bring about his total downfall.

[Aulë]

OK, the 3rd Round is approaching.

The team that takes on the Guild of Dwarves/Elves shall be:
-Legolam
-Niniel
-tookish-girl
-legoman

We'll hopefually have a decent topic this time. And I believe that we get to choose our stance too :D.
Good luck guys!!

[Arvedui]

I have seen no posts from the Periaur for the last days in the debate against Tolkienologists.

And with Aulë's last post here, I have to ask:

Have you forfeited?

[Aulë]

*pats Arvedui on the head*
That has been resolved through PMs... ;)



OK, we need someone to organise the Periaur Debate team whilst I'm away.
I don't trust you lot running amuck without a leader... ;)

Any volunteers? :)

[Niniel]

I see I have been chosen for the debate team in the 3d round. I'd love to help, but when is this debate ging to happen? Cause I'll be gone from June 18 - 25 and from July 7 to August 13, so that might be a problem.

[Aulë]

Hmmm, it's from the 22nd to the 29th.
So I presume that you'll be unavailable.

OK, who wants to take Niniel's place in the team?

[Legolam]

Just wanted to say that I'm truly sorry I didn't help out in the round 2 debate like I promised. I've just started a temp job at short notice and the only time I can get online is my half hour lunch break. However, from next week it's being extended to an hour, so I have no problem in debating v the elves/dwarves.

[tookish-girl]

*up rides tookish on her white horse and bursts through the doors*

I am here. Hurrah! Now, what are we debating on?


(that was my attempt to be like Lord Flashheart from Blackadder there)
Seroiusly, i am here and I'm trying to get legoman here on time too. Fingers crossed we don't let the Periaur down!

[legoman]

one question (whilst trying not to laugh at the idea of took being lord flashart!!! hoho)


How long does this debate last, its not just sunday is it? (Just I've got family coming round on the weekend - my sisters, cousins, mum, aunties, grandma and sisters friends are doing the 'race for life' so I might not get on on the the sunday itself)

Sorry, I don't really get these debate things,

correct me if I'm wrong but do we just argue a point and where possible quote a book to make the point?

[gawd, we are so dead.]

[Aulë]

legoman,

It goes for 1 week, and you can't leave your computer at all whilst it's on.
No food, no breaks, nothing.
You have to be committed to the task.
;)

And you are not 'dead', as you have the Über-debaters Legolam and snaga1 in the team too. :D

Round 3 Periaur Team:
-Legolam
-snaga1
-tookish-girl
-legoman

[Legolam]

It's the original British Army vs Elves/Dwarves!!! All we need is Merry to weigh in and you've got a full house! They don't stand a chance against our peculiar brand of humour and sarcasm ;)

[Beleg]

Greetings Periaur's.
Please submit your team in this (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12114) thread.
Looking forward towards hosting a nice, clean debate.

[Beleg]

The topic has been posted! The debate is open!

[tookish-girl]

Yeah, hi. Where is the topic? Just a little question! I, like my good friend legoman, still haven't quite got the hang of where these debate things are.



Also, yes I think there's a strong chance we are going to be dead. But then again we British always work best with our backs to the wall, eh?:confused:

[Beleg]

Two posts above your post is a post of Mine. In It is given a link, click it and you'll view the topic.

And Tookish....better start reading up Silmarillion soon! :)

[tookish-girl]

Shhhhhhhhh, it's a secret!
And how did you know anyway? You haven't been reading my private messages have you?
;)

p.s Don't worry, I'm a speed reader; those Elves/Dwarves won't know what's hit them!

[Ithrynluin]

Originally posted by tookish-girl
Yeah, hi. Where is the topic? Just a little question! I, like my good friend legoman, still haven't quite got the hang of where these debate things are.

All the debates and related threads have been moved to the new forum which is to be found at the very bottom of the 'Guilds and Societies' section. That should make these threads easier to locate. :)

[Chymaera]

Help I need judges!

I am hosting the Round 3 debate between the Scholar's and the Tolkienologists and I need a member of your Guild to judge.

someone please PM me as soon as possible

thank you

[tookish-girl]

Hi everyone, yeah, so here I am reading the Sil and trying to get some form of argument sorted out for our debate and it's three days into it and there's no reply from the other Guild. I just wanted to check if that was normal.

Also I'm posting here because I don't mind looking like a fool with the Periaur but with the rest of the forum I think there's a danger in me looking rather silly. (ie, Not having read the Sil yet etc!)

By the way, excellent first post, snaga! ;)

[Beleg]

As the host I am not happy with this scenario. The other team aught to post by now. Sadly, their is no rule enforcing the ammount of time within which a team has to post.
We can only hope that Elves/Dwarves post soon.

[Snaga]

Thanks Tookish!:) I think we should beware. They might be holding off, and hoping to blitzkrieg us at the end of the debate. Possibly...

[legoman]

hehe, are we winning?
we seem to be the only ones who've posted.
Do we wait until they've answered before battering them to a pulp? (Not that I've got any arguements at all, it'll just set my mind at rest a little)

hehe, I bought the sil yesterday then instead of reading it, I designed a guitar... priorities martin, priorities.


ARGH!! PEOPLE GET BACK HERE THEY'VE JUST POSTED A REPLY!!!!! ARGH!!!!!!!
'HELP ME, HELP ME, HELP ME, OH GOD, UMM...'

[legoman]

well they've posted, but I'm a bit confused, cos I've read through it and they don't seem to offer any arguement of their own, they just seem to try and cross out some of snaga's, and not very well either.

surely they should be coming up with different reasons as to why he was right.

[Legolam]

Well, if that's their tactic, then we should just keep giving them more arguments that they have to try and counter. Keep 'em on the back foot ;)

PS I'll post tomorrow. I have an oral exam today so I'll read the relevant chapters in the Sil tonight and post in the morning. It's been a while since my (only) reading of the Sil!

[legoman]

hmm, damnit, I keep coming up with ideas but then I don't think they fit properly with the arguement. I don't know what to do.
gotta read more...


at least snaga1 knows the book...

[Snaga]

Hey well it seems we did ok at least. 2-0 so far... fingers-crossed just one more vote required and we can go into [smug mode]:p

But another round looms large. Sheesh... it never stops!

Aule has lumbered me with the task of putting together a team. Thanks mate!:rolleyes:

So far we have me and Wonks. I also nominate Tookish, since I'm sure she wishes to get her twopenneth, having stayed all silent and mysterious in this round.:D

Another volunteer is required: Legolam? Legoman? Niniel? Elbereth? Anyone?

*begs*

*offers extravagant but less than believable bribes*

[Niniel]

When is the 4th round? If it's finished (at least the greater part of it) before July 7th I'd like to be in the team. What are the current standings in the tournament BTW?

[Snaga]

It starts on Sunday 29th June and runs for a week. That means it should be done by the 7th. Yay Niniel!! Consider yourself picked!:D

Current standing ... we are top of the table after the first two rounds (only just).:D

[Wonko The Sane]

So far how have we done in the third round? Not much time to figure things out. :)

But this new debate is going to be yay. :) I'm excited.

I SERIOUSLY hope it'll be something I can debate about though...

I promised to put my two cents in no matter what though and I will.
Maybe Snaga will help me type...I'm still unwell. I can dictate to him. :D

[legoman]

I think we won.

there are 3 votes in, all for us, with Beleg and (damn, forgotten their name... goes to look it up...) Ancalagon still to vote, but surely 3 votes gives us the win!

Lets see:
the_elf_herself... PERIAUR!
baragund... PERIAUR!
ithrynluin... PERIAUR!


hehe, as wonks would put it...

SCORE!!

[Snaga]

Yay Anc voted for us too... a 5-0 win!!:D

The next round is late in starting, so we have a problem. It will now continue well beyond 7th, so we should find a new team member to replace Niniel I think.

Volunteers?

[Legolam]

Hey guys

Just to say sorry for not being around much recently. Work have found out that I'm skiving a lot on TTF and have managed to restrict my access to the site (insert expletive here). However, I am more than happy to take part in the debate if someone would be so kind as to email me the topic and which side we're on (and the opposing side's first post if they're picking sides). I'll try and post replies when I get access to the computer at Shaun's, but I may have to email someone to post for me.

My email address is hannah_student@hotmail.com

:cool:

[Snaga]

Yay! We have a team!:)

We get to pick the side we take cos we're the home team.

[YayGollum]

Doobedoobedoo... I tried PMing people, but they're not paying attention. oh well. There's this crazy little fourth round debate that I happen to be hosting. Between the Dwarf and elf and scholar types. Hasn't started because of people deciding members and things. I need a judge from this crazy guild.

[Legolam]

Sorry Yay, I meant to reply to your PM. However, the kind peeps from my work don't let me on TTF nearly enough. Anyhoo, I'd be happy to be a judge to represent the wonderful Periaur (although if Snaga keeps giving me names for the debates, I may start feeling differently ... ;)).

Just let me know when the debate starts and ends by email if you could, so I know when I really HAVE to get on TTF :rolleyes:

[YayGollum]

Got it. Yay for that. Why would you be able to mess around with e-mail type things and not this The Tolkien Forum place? oh well. I don't know how it works. Shall figure the e-mail thing out.

[Snaga]

Sorry to my team members for not posting in the last debate apart from the opening post. Wonks and I pretty much distracted each other, with sight-seeing and stuff.:)

Anyway I want to excuse myself from further debating. All this debating malarkey just isnt my cup of tea, you know.

[Aulë]

OK, our team for the 5th Round, against OiE is so far:

-snaga1
-Legolam
-Aulë
and, ?

Who would like the 4th spot?
tookish? legoman? Elbe?

I think Niniel is still away, and Wonks is sick or something...

[Legolam]

Sorry for letting the side down in the last one :(

This will be my last debate for a long while, as I'm away from the 6th Aug till 4 Sept, and I'll be busy "catching up" for the days after that.

[Aulë]

OK, good

The debate has started, but has been halted because Beorn accidently banned tookish.
Lets keep our 100% record against OiE intact :D

[Elbereth]

Phew! Finally found a cyber cafe!

Sorry I have been away for so long. LA didn't have any cyber cafe's near my hotel so I wasn't able to log on.

I wanted to pop in here really quickly however to let you all know I will be returning home on Wednesday. So after I catch up w/ the forum I should be able to help the team out in the debate tournament...so please let me know if you need any help.

Sincerely yours from Chicago,

Elbereth

[Chymaera]

Hello, I will be hosting your next debate -- Round 6 -- Your team will debate against the Guild of Scholar's Hall.

Please submit your team as soon as possible.

You will be the Home team and have first choice of sides.

The debate thread is here (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=345187#post345187)

[Feanorian]

Allo allo, Tweens. I just thought I would remind you that we are waiting for your team to be posted so we can begin the debate. Thanks.

[Aulë]

We may end up forfieting this Round...
There doesn't appear to be anyone from the Periaur who wants to debate.:(

[Niniel]

Well, I would like to debate, but I won't do it all by myself, cause I just don't know enough about Tolkien's work (haven't read HOME) and I don't have that much time to check every detail.

[Aulë]

OK, our team shall be:

Aulë
Niniel
Elbereth
tookish-girl

If any of you need an e-copy of any particular HoME volume for this debate (Hopefully, we shaln't need them though...), just PM me, and I'll e-mail it to you.

[Chymaera]

Game on!:)

You shouldn't need more then the Silmarillion for this debate.;)

[Aulë]

Rats!
I was hoping for a nice simple LotR one :(

Ack! Evil topic!
Elbe, Niniel, PM me with what you think we should do.

[Aulë]

Yay!
Thôl has offered to join our team for Round 6 :)
Hopefully the GoS and Chymaera will allow the swap.

Hope you're happy now, Tookish. I know how much you didn't want to be in the debate ;)

[Wonko The Sane]

Please put me on the back shelf...I"m still sick...hard to keep up with debates...but keep me in mind if you need anybody...school's over now so I can devote more time to it. :)

[Niniel]

OK then, I put up an opening post... go check it out!

[Aulë]

Keep up the good work, Niniel :D


Our Round 7 team shall be:
-Snaga
-Celebthôl
-Aulë
-Legolam

[Legolam]

Yay! I´m back in action (as of Thursday evening). Other guilds better watch out ;)

[Celebthôl]

Originally posted by Aulë
Keep up the good work, Niniel :D


Our Round 7 team shall be:
-Snaga
-Celebthôl
-Aulë
-Legolam

Mmhmm, when is it? What will be the topic? etc.....

[Aulë]

It will be fairly soon after Round 6 is complete. That won't be until next Friday at least.

The topic will be whatever the host chooses. Hopefully we won't be stuck with another boring Sil one ;) .

[Wonko The Sane]

Just make sure Snaga knows about this. :) He hasn't been on TTF for a while.

Also I wanna host a debate...I've never got to do that...also I feel like debating...just so long as it's not a Sil topic. :) C'mon..let me help, please? :)

[Aulë]

Well ask FoaT if can can host the Round 8 debate that we are due to supply a host for.
And yes, Snaga knows. I've been pestering him about it for weeks now.

As for debating, you can't choose whether you get a Sil topic or not. You just have to join a team, and hope like hell that you get a nice LotR topic. And are you sure you'll turn up this time? ;) You have a history of not turning up for debates. :p

[Wonko The Sane]

You've seen how active I've been lately! I'm on a TTF rampage!
Of course I'll turn up this time. :)

And I'll PM FoaT to ask him about next round's hosting. :)

[Aulë]

The Round 7 debate has started: http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13088

Snaga, I hope Wonks won't distract you too much ;)
You might have to ignore her for the last 2 days of the debate :D

[Legolam]

Owly, you might want to amend the link to the debate

[Aulë]

OK, here's the real link: http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13090 :)

[Wonko The Sane]

:) I'll do my part to "force" him to debate...but I'm so compelling I doubt he'll want to tear himself away. ;)

Anyway, if the last 2 days of the debate are also the first two days of my stay I'm sure he'll be much too busy to bother with a silly debate. ;) ;)

















Yeah...ok...I'll try not to distract him...too much. And I'll try to remind him about the debate. But no promises ok?

[Aulë]

OK, our Round 8 team shall be:

-Aulë
-Celebthôl
-Niniel
-snaga1

Niniel shall host the Round 8 debate between GoS and GoT
Thol shall host the Round 10 debate between GoO and GoS

If anyone feels if they are missing out- speak up! :D There are still 2 rounds to go after Round 8. :D

[Snaga]

Yes I am missing out on the chance to not debate. Dang!;)

[Celebthôl]

Fraid you are Snaga, there are very few people i know that could single handedly beat our team. I hope Beth isnt one of them as she'll be alone in this :D

[Aulë]

Well they have Scatha now too....
But oh well- we can take 'em :D :D
*devilish laugh*

Periaur- start your engines!!! Mwhahaha :p



*sits patiently on the ground, waiting for the OiE host to mystically appear....*

Doobeedoobeedoobee.....

[Ancalagon]

Here you go you tweenie things!

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13437

Build me an army:D

[Aulë]

Round 9 is approaching, and we need to assemble a team to tackle Nom and her Outcasts. :)

Who's up for it?

Periaurian Team:
-Aulë
-snaga1
-?
-?



Niniel? Thol? Legolam?

[Legolam]

Why not, I'll do it

:cool:

[Aulë]

Well only if you promise not to refuse to debate when Australia beats Scotland in the RWC Quarter-Finals :p Hehehe :D

[Legolam]

If you're not careful I'll turn the debate into a huge lets-mock-the-Aussies-when-they're-defeated-by-France-in-the-quarter-finals, because obviously Scotland are going to beat France and top the group, whilst Australia will be forced to play one of the favourites.

;)

And I'll only sulk for a few days, not refuse to debate, in the HIGHLY unlikely event that you beat us.

[Celebthôl]

*runs in puffin and pantin*

Darn college keepin me from here ;)

Ill do it if there is still a place!

I also reserve the right to debate against OiE! :mad: :)

[Aulë]

Hannah: but one of your star players has just been suspended for 12 weeks ;) And Scotland beating France? HA! :D

Joey: OK, but you're lucky that Niniel didn't sneak in first ;)


Round 9 Team:
-Aulë
-snaga1
-Legolam
-Celebthôl


Round 10 Team:
-snaga1
-Legolam
-Celebthôl
-Niniel

[Snaga]

The Periaur could be dead by then if the mods get their way!;)

[Ithrynluin]

Snaga, don't bunch us all in the same group! :mad: Contrary to popular belief, we are NOT one great big entity who is of the same opinion about everything.

[Aulë]

Ahhh, but I've always thought that you lot resemble the Power Rangers ;) You're all pleasant and nice when individuals, but when you combine, you turn into an invincible monster :p

[Snaga]

LMAO Aule!!! That's hilarious!:D

Ithrynluin: I'm sorry but none of the mods had given any sign that they disagreed with the proposed fate of our guild. I hope this means you are fighting our corner?

Back on topic.... yeah the debates... what's all this people ducking out to give those dwarfy-elfy types an easy ride?? We're trying to win, dammit!:confused: :D

[Celebthôl]

Oh well come on, i mean 4 vs 1 is not on :D she'd have been trounced :D

[Elbereth]

Originally posted by snaga1
The Periaur could be dead by then if the mods get their way!;)

PERIAUR GUILD UPDATE: http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=369729#post369729

[Niniel]

It seems you're doing quite well without me... you had completely convinced me at least:)

[Legolam]

I think maybe we all got a bit heated about this. I mean, Nom was trying to HELP us. Let's just keep our heads down for a bit and maybe they'll forget about us, leaving us free to wreck our mayhem on TTF once more ;) ;) :D

[Aulë]

Awww, but it's so fun to stir Nom up ;)

Thol: It's 2 v 2 now that you and Niniel disappeared :p

[Celebthôl]

LOL, but WHEN Ninel and I left it was 4 vs1 and 3 vs 1, still totally unfair ;)

[Aulë]

Originally posted by Legolam
If you're not careful I'll turn the debate into a huge lets-mock-the-Aussies-when-they're-defeated-by-France-in-the-quarter-finals, because obviously Scotland are going to beat France and top the group, whilst Australia will be forced to play one of the favourites.

;)

And I'll only sulk for a few days, not refuse to debate, in the HIGHLY unlikely event that you beat us.

So....Hannah....how did the Scots go against France? ;)

[Legolam]

So....Hannah....how did the Scots go against France? ;) WHY YOU LITTLE ...!

[Aulë]

Hannah: you DO realise that there is a debate going on at the moment....don't you? ;)
It's OK- Nom wont bite. :p

25 hours to go. :)

[Legolam]

Yeah, yeah, I know. It's been hectic recently, but I've got loads of time this afternoon and I'll try and throw my weight behind the Periaur cause later on.

[Aulë]

Hey Hannah, what was the result in the Australia v Scotland match? I seem to have somehow forgotten what the score was...;)

*does a little dance* :D


btw, Round 10 is starting within a week.
I presume that the team still is:
-snaga1
-Legolam
-Niniel
-Celebthôl

Everyone fine with that?

[Legolam]

Yeah, I'm cool with being in the team.

I'm fine with the result (got up with a stinking hangover to watch it this morning) - I think Scotland acquitted themselves well against a far superior team. We even gave you a bit of a scare in the first half and the scoreline was flattering to the Aussies. :) On that display, I don't think the other teams in the RWC have anything to fear ;)

[Niniel]

Yeah sure, count me in.

[Snaga]

I'm ready! Bring it!:D

[Snaga]

Legsie and Niniel... get in there and DEBATE!!!:mad: Thol and I are doing our best, but you're in the team too!!!:D Attack attack attack!!!!

[Niniel]

I'm sorry... I just don't really know that much about the Hobbit (read it twice, long time ago) and UT (read once). So before I can say anything useful I need to read them again. And I don't have time... maybe this weekend. Or if you could give me any advice as to what to say, I'll be happy to make a point for you.

[Nóm]

How about one of you lets me log in under your name and post? ;) It worked in round 3 and 9 with a guild that will stay unnamed here ;). Behold! I really did beat whatstheirname... though they know it not ;). Don't bother looking... changed muh style for it. ;)

Mwuhuhuhuhahahha HA HA HA!

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

I feel like Sauron as he reveiled to Gorlim his trick. ;)

[Snaga]

Trying to even things up? I know you've been posting under the name of 'Arvedui' ... don't think we can't tell!

You slipped up when you posted: Allegedly posted by Nom pretending to be Arvedui
"Bah! That Thorin... you know he's thoroughly ungrateful... typical Naugrim!...not like those lovely Noldorin princes... they were sooo much nicer *drools dreamily* They would have deserved Bilbo's help. And his undying love... forever...

[Aulë]

Originally posted by Legolam
Yeah, I'm cool with being in the team.

I'm fine with the result (got up with a stinking hangover to watch it this morning) - I think Scotland acquitted themselves well against a far superior team. We even gave you a bit of a scare in the first half and the scoreline was flattering to the Aussies. :) On that display, I don't think the other teams in the RWC have anything to fear ;)

Yep, New Zealand.....nothing to fear.... :D :D :D ;) :p
MWHAHAhahahAHAHAHAHA!

I think you placed the Scottish Curse on them when you started barracking for them. ;)

[Legolam]

Well, the Poms should watch out, because I'm controversially going to support them next Saturday and hope that the curse is still sticking ;)

[Aulë]

C'mon guys, are you going to help poor Snaga out out in the debate? One orc can only take on so many old geezers at a time without any assistance....;)
If we win this, we'll win the Tournament- so don't give up at the final hurdle. :D Just think of all the bragging we can do if we win this thing :p

[Legolam]

Originally posted by Aulë
If we win this, we'll win the Tournament- so don't give up at the final hurdle. :D Actually, if you do the maths, we can only tie

[Snaga]

We can win if we have the same points but a better 'Vote Difference'.

Anyway, I am still here, despite a slight interruption... and the clock is running down.

[Aulë]

Are you sure about that? ;)

After 9 rounds, we are on 18 points.
After 8 rounds, OiE are on 18 points.
We have a superior VD.

Therefore, no matter what happens in OiE's Round 9 debate, the winner of the OiE v Periaur debate will be the champions.


EDIT: Oh, Snaga is back :)
Yay!
(Although with a hell of a lot of WPs :( )

[Legolam]

OK OK, I'm all over it. I'm going to wade in with something, anything, to try and crush these pesky oldsters ;)

[Niniel]

It's almost time for our closing post! Snaga, can you do it, since you put in most of the effort you have the best view of all that we said. Please??:)

[Aulë]

YAY!
We have finished!
We have finished the Debating Tournament! :D
YAY YAY YAY!

Well done people- no matter how the results pan out in the final round, we have done the Periaur proud!

Thanks to Elbereth, Legolam, Legoman, Niniel, Thol, Tookish and Wonks for putting their time aside to help out the Periaurian cause- without you lot, none of this would have been able to happen. Every single post in the Tournament, and any idea or encouragement given to the debators was worth while, and contributed to such a fantastic Tournament for us.

And I believe that the single Periaurian who deserves the most applause is the AMAZING SNAGA!
*bows down before the debating god*
"All hail Snaga: Champion of champions" :D
Snaga: I don't know how you kept your talents hidden for so long- but I'm damn glad that we found them in time for Round 1 of this Tournament.

Some of my favourite Periaurian memories from the Tournament:

- Our victory over the Tolkienologists in Round 2: it doesn't get any sweeter than that. :D
- Snaga's comment to Mrs Maggott about quoting the entire book (it's funny cause it's true :p).
- Those hilarious names we kept on giving each other whilst naming our teams before the debate.
- Legoman's post! Yes, it's amazing- the 'Guitar God' posted in the debate! Yay!
- Me pestering Wonks every day about posting in the debate before she went to England (And she managed to ignore me successfully :D).
- Tookish being scared witless about being put on the debate team. ;)
- Elbe's hilarious mix-up between Mordor and Utumno (you know we love ya Elbe ;) )
- Our constant taunting of the old fogies :D


*streamers fall down from the ceiling*
I think we can finally relax now :cool:
No more debating for a while :D

[Celebthôl]

Originally posted by Aulë
- Our constant taunting of the old fogies :D


Thats rich, you are all old fogies :D ;) j/k

But anyways, very well done guys, now we await a few results and we could win!!! :D

YAY!!!!

*dances* :D

[Snaga]

Originally posted by Aulë
Thanks to Elbereth, Legolam, Legoman, Niniel, Thol, Tookish and Wonks for putting their time aside to help out the Periaurian cause- without you lot, none of this would have been able to happen. Every single post in the Tournament, and any idea or encouragement given to the debators was worth while, and contributed to such a fantastic Tournament for us. I have to whole-heartedly agree with this. Even if I posted more than everyone else, the fact that everyone else was there really helped. I definitely wouldnt have felt it was worth putting in the time if I was on my own.

I also take my hat off to our great captain Aule. Managing to run the tournament, debate in almost every round, and to have such consistent success in rigging the juries (<--A JOKE!!) is a fantastic achievement!;) LOL!! Seriously, I've never been pestered so much in my life but it was necessary to make sure we got our act together. If we win, it is your doing more than anyone.:)

[Elbereth]

I must agree Snaga. I beleive the true hero of Periaur debating team is our great Director of Debates, Aule!

Thank you Aule for all of your hard work and dedication to the debate tournament and to the Periaur. I don't have words enough to express my appreciation. Great Job and once again Thanks!

[Celebthôl]

And the sad thing is that he wont be able to read any of this for like 3 months :(. . . I nominate Legsie to take his place *angelic smile*

[Legolam]

Where is Owly? And what does Thol mean?

[Niniel]

He's gone away... far far away... I don't exactly know where, but I think he's working in the country (he told me it was in the mines??? earning 3000 dollars a month...) and as you know they don't have computers in the Aussie outback ;)

[Celebthôl]

Yes, hes gone to some "bins" with that missus of his, he'll be back about late January :(
And i mean that you should be organiser of our debates now ;)

[Niniel]

He guys, we just lost the debating tournament... :(:(:(:(:(:(
Aulë will be soooo mad when he gets back!!! But at least we came out 2nd of the 6 teams and I guess that's good score for us, since we are so young and do not know much about the world ;)

[Legolam]

Nooooooooooooooooooo ...... :( :( ;)

Thol, why didn't you work your magic with Nom again?! Your last piece of ... erm ... literary genius went down a treat ;)

Seriously, well done (grudgingly!) to the oldsters - I guess they really have nothing better to do than try and prove themselves against the young pretenders, whilst we obviously spend too much time having fun ;) :D

[Wonko The Sane]

Well, IMO, the Periaur won that debate. :)

Obviously one of the Pensioners wrote Nóm an even BETTER elf-story to coerce her opinion. ;)

[legoman]

Originally posted by Aulë

- Legoman's post! Yes, it's amazing- the 'Guitar God' posted in the debate! Yay!


I feel slightly mocked.


hmmm, intriguing.

still, we rule!

the end.

[Gil-Galad]

We would like to make a short,but important announcement.

A new activity called The Best of The Best Debating Tournament is about to start in a week.When everything is completed it will be made visible for you.

The Best of The Best will be a tournament in which the best six debators will be invited to debate bewteen themselves-1vs1.The members of every Guild should choose their best Debator who will represent them.
We realize that due to some real-life problems the member that is chosen may not be able to participate sometimes.That is why you are allowed to choose a replacement.The replacement will be allowed to take part only in 30 persents of the tournament.
Of course ,if you believe that the One you choose can be online during all ten rounds of the debates,you do not have to choose a replacement.

That is why we,the organizers of the tournament,kindly ask you to choose your best debator(and his replacement if you want)and send a pm to me (Gil-Galad)with the two names.

The Organizers of The Best of The Best

[Aulë]

Should we select Snaga now? Or have a discussion, and decide on choosing Snaga? ;)
I'd nominate Legolam or Niniel as the back-up.

[Gil-Galad]

Honestly we all hope that Snaga will be the one who will represent GoP.He has shown his debating abilities so many times :)

[Niniel]

I would totally loose in a one on one debate, so I really hope Snaga will do it.

[Gil-Galad]

Well,it is up to you,GoP.I hope that you will choose your debator ASAP(and his replacement if he thinks he will not be able to take care of every round) and pm me. :)

[Elbereth]

I second Aule's nominations...

Snaga of course should be our clear first choice.

However...I would also suggest that since Aule is back from his two month hiatus, he should participate as Snaga's second. He is the Periaur's manager of debates afterall.

[Legolam]

However...I would also suggest that since Aule is back from his two month hiatus, he should participate as Snaga's second. He is the Periaur's manager of debates afterall. I concur!!! Snaga's the debating God, but Aule's not far behind and deserves to do some work after his holiday in the Outback ;) . Plus, I don't think I'd be able to help out as I'm pretty busy learning about the bowels at uni at the moment :rolleyes:

[Snaga]

Thank you all for the vote of confidence but there isn't even the remotest chance of me participating in any debates, probably until July. Sorry. I just have the most insane amount of work, and I have no time.:(

[Aulë]

Hmmm, and neither do I.
That rules out Snaga, Legolam and myself.

I guess that leaves it up to Celebthol, Wonks, Niniel or Elbe (or anyone else who feels that they're up to the challenge)

[Gil-Galad]

:(
Snaga we probably can think of something.Are you sure you cannot participate in the Tournament?You will also have a replacement who will be able to replace you in 30%of the debates if you are busy.

The whole TTF will loose a lot if a master of the debates like you does not take part in this Tournament!!!!!

Please think once again.:(

Legolam,you are right about Aule,but he will be probably busy with judging the debates,which means that he will not be allowed to participate in the Tournament.Of course if he wants to debate he is most welcome to do it.
You are very good debator too,and I think you can manage to back up Snaga.

[Snaga]

I'm sorry GG. There really is no way.

[Gil-Galad]

I am really sorry Snaga :( :(


Then GoP should probably think of another leader.Probably Aule if he wants,it is up to you GoP!!!
I hope that you choose the best possible one and I am sure that he will defend GoP's name and honor in the best possible way.

[Nóm]

No Snaga?!?!?!?!

mwahahahahahahahahaha...Victory is GoO's! ;)

But seriously... perhaps Beleg could work as a replacement at least? Didn't he join GoP? If so, someone might PM him about it... I know he loves to debate.

I'll probably be a replacement for GoO, and be seeing one of you Elberethians later on the battlefield! :D

[Elbereth]

I am sad to hear that you cannot debate Snaga...but I can understand your dillemma as it is something I share. I have neither the time nor the talent to debate...so I will leave that to my other guild mates. If you want Aule...I'll take on the role of judge for the tournament and you can debate....I would be willing to do that if that will helps to bring our team to victory.



PS...Elberethians??? :confused: :rolleyes: That kind of jab was just petty. The Periaurs are too independent to be followers...and beleive me, I doubt I would be the object of their devotion.

[Gil-Galad]

Well,the things are becomming more and more interesting.GoO seems to be favorites for the Tournament,especially if Nom is the main representative,not a replacement.
Beleg is also a member of GoS so it depends on him,which Guild will choose him.
But also do not forget your talented Vala-Aule,he is sitting in the corner,waiting to be asked to represent GoP.

[Gil-Galad]

Elbereth,what is the situation with GoP's representative and his/her replacemnts.
As I can see you do not have muc opportunities :Aule,you,Legolam,Niniel,and of course Beleg(who should decide whether he will debate for you or for GoS if they invite him)

[Beleg]

I believe I am not a member of Guild of Periaur but rather a member of Guild of Scholar's Hall.

and errr....

[Gil-Galad]

Somebody said that you were part of GoP too.Anyway,that means that GoP's members have one choice less.
Aule,Elbereth,Legolam,Niniel......... :confused:

[Niniel]

I think Aulë is the obvious choice, if he's willing.

[Gil-Galad]

Well,I spoke with him but he is not sure,you,all members of GoP should convince him:)

[Elbereth]

Although I am the Guild Leader, I am not responsible for the guild debates...I have left that responsibility to Aule, the Guild of Periaur's manager of debates. I am leaving him with the ultimate executive decision as to who should debate in this tournament.

If they are willing and able to debate, I would recommend Aule and Niniel to represent the team. Both candidates are strong and experienced debators of high calibre...and I have faith they will represent the guild well.

As for myself....I am not willing to throw myself into such a competion. As I have said earlier...I do not have the time nor the desire to join in a debate. And based on my poor showing at my last debate, I am sure my fellow guild members are relieved to hear it.

[Aulë]

Elbereth: I really would prefer not to commit myself to this tournament, since I am going to become overloaded with work in March. But since no one else seems to be putting up their hand, I guess I'll have to do it.

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[Niniel]

We can help you Aulë... you can always ask us if we have any more arguments or if we can look something up for you if you don't have time... It's just I think that you are more eloquent than me when it comes to debating, you just know how to say things in a convincing way (more than me).

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[Gil-Galad]

So,it seems that Aule will be the representative,but who will be his replacement?

post edited by Elbereth - (in hopes to keep conversation here positive)

[Aulë]

Niniel will be the replacement.

[Niniel]

Hey I didn't say that!;)... but I'd like to help if I can.

[Aulë]

Good news! :)

Wonks has volunteered to debate :)
Wonks shall be the #1 debator, and Niniel will be her replacement.

Yay! :D

[Gil-Galad]

So GoP's team is Wonk-representative,Niniel -replacement.
I will put their names in the list.
Good Luck.

[Gil-Galad]

I would like to announce that The Best of The Best tournament begins on Monday -1st March.

The section is opened and the debates will start ASAP.

I would like to ask your Guild's representative and his/her replacement to check the schedule of and to prepare themselves for real debates.

Round 1's threads will be opened later today.

Good Luck

[Gothmog]

The thread for the First round debate has been opened. Could Wonks (or her replacement) please post their readyness to debate?

The thread can be found Here (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?t=15193)

Thank You

Gothmog.

[Gil-Galad]

I would like to ask Niniel to replace Wonks ASAP.

If GoP's member does not took part in the round I am afraid that their opponents will take the three points which are given for a win.

If there is a problem with Wonk and Niniel,you still have time to replace them.
Please do it as soon as possible.

[Gil-Galad]

It seem that nobody is around so I would like to ask Aule,if he is willing to take Wonks' place?
Aule?
GoP needs you. :(

[Niniel]

I'm here! Sorry G-G! You should have PMed me, then I would have checked in sooner. I'll report in the thread asap.

[Gil-Galad]

You will be representative or replacement?

[Niniel]

Well, since Wonks doesn't show up I suppose I will represent the Periaur. But I hope she does show up for other debates, cause I really don't want to do all of them.

[Gil-Galad]

Dank u wel,Niniel!!
Veel success!

Well,I know you can do it,so don't worry.As a representative of GoP you should participate in at least 7 rounds-70%of the debates.

[Niniel]

Wonks, are you going to do this debate? Or shall I do it?

[Gil-Galad]

Please,can you decide ASAP who will be the representative,who will be the replacement and who will participate in this round against The-Elf-Herself?

[Niniel]

I'll do it, since Wonks hasn't answered my PM yet.

[Aulë]

Congrats to Niniel for getting a draw in the debate against The-Elf-Herself.
We're all backing you Niniel- keep it up. :)

[Niniel]

Is there going to be a new debate soon? I haven't heard anything from it fro a while.