Did you know that .........

[Maedhros]

Here is an idea of a game in which a person gives a fact about a Tolkien reference that might seem unknown to the Tolkien fan.

I will start with this:
The fourth Son of Finwë:

From The Shaping of ME: The Quenta: Appendix I
Lastly, there ia a fourth child of Finwë given in this table: Finrún Felageómor (felageómor 'very sorrowful').

[gate7ole]

Finrod's fate:
From HOME XI: Grey Annals
Thus perished from Middle-earth the fairest of the children of Finwë, and returned never again; but dwells now in Valinor with Amarië

[Lhunithiliel]

Boys, why can't I see where the game - element is? :o :o

I love Tolkien-related games but I fail to understand this one.... :o

Please, help your "Mom" out and show me what we are supposed to do in order to participate in this game! Please???????? :D

[Maedhros]

Boys, why can't I see where the game - element is?
It's simple really, you just post an obscure fact about the Tolkien books in here.
For example:
Did you know that the basic difference between Ælfwine and Eriol is that Eriol is a sailor that came to Tol Eressëa and then Tol Eressëa became England, while Ælfwine came from England to Tol Eressëa.

[gate7ole]

Did you know that...
Beren was helped by Ents to defeat the dwarves that had stolen the Nauglamir from Doriath. From this event comes the ancient enmity between the two races.

[Elendil3119]

Elves hate beetles and spiders.
Tinuviel being a fairy minded them not as many of the children of Men do, although she loved not beetles, and spiders will none of the Eldar touch because of Ungweliante... (BoLT2)

[baragund]

Did you know that....

Beor means "vassal" in the ancient tongue of Men? His original name was Balan, but he was so impressed by Finrod that he pledged his people to the service of Finrod and he changed his own name to "vassal".

[Maedhros]

Did you know that ..........
From The Lost Road and Other Writtings: The Fall of Númenor
§4 But the Gods forbade them to sail beyond the Lonely Isle, and would not permit any save their kings (once in each life before he was crowned) to land in Valinor. For they were mortal Men, and it was not in the power and right of Manwë to alter their fate.
Hmmmm, in the beginning, the King was allowed into Valinórë.

[BlackCaptain]

Wow... what a strange turn of events... I'm afraid I have no interesting facts... I have yet to read any HoMe books.:( :o

[Maedhros]

Did you know that ......
The names that Beren and Felagund gave to Sauron were their names in reverse?
From The Lays of Beleriand: The Lay of Leithian
'Nereb and Dungalef and warriors ten,
so we are called, and dark our den
under the mountains. Over the waste
we march on an errand of need and haste.
Boldog the captain awaits us there 2125
where fires from under smoke and flare.'
Nereb = Beren, Dungalef = Felagund. Hehe.

[Ithrynluin]

Actually Felagund backwards is not Dungalef but Dnugalef!

[Maedhros]

Yes it is. In the case of Felagund, it would be like looking at the word Felagund in a mirror. flame bait removed

[Elendil3119]

...that Beren was originally an Elf.
Now Beren was a Gnome, son of Egnor the forester who hunted in the darker places' in the north of Hisilome. (BoLT2)
Gnomes = Noldor

[gate7ole]

Did you know that...
the seven Feanoreans in Beleriand were actually six? :D
There was a late idea of Tolkien to have the one (and even possibly both) of the twins die at Losgar:
HOME XI: War of the Jewels
By this time the story had entered that one of the twin brothers Damrod and Diriel, later Amrod and Amras, the youngest of Feanor's sons, died in the burning of the ships of the Teleri at Losgar, because he 'had returned to sleep in his ship':

[Feanorian]

From The Lost Road and Other Writings: The Fall of Numenor

And they moved slowly into the West(they being The men of Numenor) for all the winds were stilled and the world lay silent in the fear of that time. And they passed Tol-eressea, and it is said that the Elves mourned and grew sick, for the light of Valinor was cut off by the cloud of the Numenoreans.

So it seems Elves can grow sick..

[Elendil3119]

I think that quote is referring more to a sort of mental "sickness", i.e. seperation from the light of Valinor, than physical illness. I'm quite sure that Elves are not subject to physical disease, though I can't find the quote right now...

[Maedhros]

Did you know that .......
From The Book of Lost Tales II: The Tale of Turambar
Now of that band were there but six that stood forward readily to go with Turambar, and he seeing that said that he had thought there were more than six brave men among his folk, yet after that he would not suffer any of the others to go with him, saying that better were the six without the hindrance of the fearful.
Already had darkness come and all the night they clung there, and there was a strange flickering where the dragon lay and dread noises and a quaking if he stirred, and when dawn came Turambar saw that he had but three companions, and he cursed the others for their cravenhood, nor doth any tale tell whither those unfaithful ones fled.
Whereas in the Narn we have that Túrin had only 2 companions ,Dorlas and Hunthor, and Hunthor remained staunch, though killed by a falling stone in the gorge.
It is interesting to note the attitude that Túrin felt about his companions that abandoned him in the Tale of Turambar. Pretty harsh words I might add.

[Maedhros]

Did you know that ........
From The Book of Lost Tales II: The Fall of Gondolin
The tale provides a richness of detail and an immediacy that is lacking in the short version, where such things as the tripping over dead bodies in the hot and reeking underground passage have disappeared; and there is no mention of the Gondothlim who against the counsel of Idril and Tuor went to the Way of Escape and were there destroyed by the dragon lying in wait,* or of the fight to rescue Eärendel.
* This element in the story was in fact still present in the 1930 'Silmarillion' (see footnote on p.208) , but I excluded it from the published work on account of evidence in a much later text that the old entrance to Gondolin had by this time been blocked up -- a fact which was then written into the text in chapter 23 of The Silmarillion.
This later text is actually The Wanderings of Húrin
From The War of the Jewels: The Wanderings of Húrin
Now Húrin, coming into Dimbar, summoned his strength and went on alone towards the dark feet of the Echoriad. All the land was cold and desolate; and when at last it rose steeply before him and he could see no way to go further, he halted and looked about him in little hope. He stood now at the foot of a great fall of stones beneath a sheer rock-wall, and he did not know that this was all that was now left to see of the old Way of Escape: the Dry River was blocked and the arched gate was buried.

[Maedhros]

Did you know that ........
From The Shaping of Middle-Earth: Commentary 4
If Ingolondë means 'the Kingdom of the Gnomes', this name also should probably be associated with the stem seen in Noldo, Golodh. In much later writing my father gave the original form of the word as ngolodō, whence Quenya ñoldo, Sindarin golodh, noting that ñ = 'the Fëanorian letter for the back nasal, the ng of king'.
The latter text is actually The Shibboleth of Fëanor
From The Peoples of Middle-Earth: The Shibboleth of Fëanor
The stem appeared in Quenya (in which it was most used) in forms developed from Common Eldarin ñgol-, ñgōlo-, with or without syllabic n: as in *Ñgolodō > Quenya Ñoldo (Telerin golodo, Sindarin goloÐ) - the Ñoldor had been from the earliest times most eminent in and concerned with this kind of 'wisdom'; ňolmë a department of wisdom (science etc.); Ingolë (ňgōlē) Science/Philosophy as a whole; ňolmo a wise person; ingólemo one with very great knowledge, a 'wizard'.

And that is why I use the form Ñoldor.

[Elendil3119]

Originally posted by Elendil3119
I think that quote is referring more to a sort of mental "sickness", i.e. seperation from the light of Valinor, than physical illness. I'm quite sure that Elves are not subject to physical disease, though I can't find the quote right now...
I found the quote:
Immortal were the Elves, and their wisdom waxed from age to age, and no sickness nor pestilence brought death to them. ('Of Men', The Silmarillion)

[Maedhros]

Did you know that ...........
From The Book of Lost Tales I: The Music of the Ainur
' At this Eriol laughed heartily, but said the door-ward: 'Nay sir, may Tevildo Prince of Cats harry him for daring to perch in a garden that is in the care of Rúmil. Know you that the Noldoli grow old astounding slow, and yet have I grey hairs in the study of all the tongues of the Valar and of Eldar. Long ere The Fall of Gondolin, good sir, I lightened my thraldom under Melko in learning the speech of all monsters and goblins -- have I not conned even the speeches of beasts, disdaining not the thin voices of the voles and mice?
Our friend Rúmil was in the Lost Tales a thrall of Melkor, which means that he was once of the Ñoldorian exiles, which is not mentioned elsewhere in the legendarium.

[Maedhros]

The original aspirated stops ph, th, kh were ‘opened’, and ch became the spirant [x] (as in Scottish loch), represented as ch; this sound remained medially, but initially was reduced to [h]. Thus aran Chithlum ‘King of Hithlum’ (Etymologies, stem TĀ-), iChúrinien. It may be noted here that later iChúrinien was replaced by Narn i Chîn Húrin, which is so spelt at all occurrences, but was improperly changed by me to Narn i Hîn Húrin in Unfinished Tales (because I did not want Chîn to be pronounced like Modern English chin).

[Maedhros]

From The Road Goes Ever On

The Elves in Rivendell could only be said to "gaze afar" in yearning. But actually the form used in the hymn is palandíriel (past part.), "having gazed afar." This is a reference to the palantír upon the Tower Hills (the "Stone of Elendil"); see note 2 in Appendix A, Vol. III, p. 322. This alone of the palantíri was so made as to look out only west over the Sea. After the fall of Elendil the High-Elves took back this Stone into their own care, and it was not destroyed, nor again used by Men.
The High-Elves (such as did not dwell in or near the Havens) journeyed to the Tower Hills at intervals to look afar at Eressëa (the Elvish isle) and the Shores of Valinor, close to which it lay. The hymn in Vol. I, p. 250, is one appropriate to Elves who have just returned from such a pilgrimage.
No doubt Gildor and his companions (Vol. I., Chap. 3), since they appear to have been going eastward, were Elves living in or near Rivendell returning from the palantír of the Tower Hills. On such visits they were sometimes rewarded by a vision, clear but remote, of Elbereth, as a majestic figure, shining white, standing upon the mountain Oiolosse (S. Uilos). It was then that she was also addressed by the title Fanuilos.