The Evil Thread

[Khôr’nagan]

Members' List:

Khôr'nagan ------------- Guild Master
BlackCaptain ----------- Guild Master
The_Swordmaster ----- Guild Member
YayGollum ------------- Guild Member
Arebeth ----------------- Guild Member
Sarah -------------------- Guild Member
Roilya ------------------- Guild Member
spirit --------------------- Guild Member
Gandalf White --------- Guild Member
Kahmul ----------------- Guild Member
Holdwine --------------- Guild Member
laurelindorenan -------- Guild Member
celebdraug -------------- Guild Member
Omnipotent_elf -------- Guild Member
Tokei -------------------- Guild Member
Úlairi -------------------- Guild Member
Isthir --------------------- Guild Member

Total Members: 17

All non-members, please say specifically whether or not you would like to join. All are welcome, but I need to know who to add to the list. Also, if there are any error's in this list, please notify me by posting below or sending me a PM.

Please be aware that a we have now decided upon Noss en Lomë as the Guild's name. Also, there is a possibility that we may shortly be placed among the other major Guilds. We are currently acting under that pretense in order to better prepare ourselves if/when the time comes.

CURRENT ACTIVITES:
Recruiting additional TTF members
Planning for possible expansion
Discussing various evil topics related to Middle-earth

[The_Swordmaster]

I would like to join this guild and help in it's building.

I think a good name could be "The Dark Scholars." Or something like that.

[Khôr’nagan]

Cool. Anyone who wants to join would be welcome, I guess... Although one would hope that a member of an Evil Guild would be at least a little evil. Regardless, any and all help in forming such a Guild is greatly appreciated. At some point, a Guild name can be voted on by members."The Dark Scholars" is good. Definitely on the right track. Anyway, thank you very much for your input, The_Swordmaster. Any and all contributions to this Guild would be very appreciated.

[BlackCaptain]

I think it goes without saying that I'm in here...:D

[Khôr’nagan]

Great! Any and all help is appreciated, as well as people who would like to be in it. I hope that I get a lot of posts of people wanting to join. Also, I say again: Please suggest names you might come up with for this Guild, as "The Evil Guild" just totaly stinks.

[BlackCaptain]

how about

Noss en daebar

literaly in Sindarian means 'Clan of the Shadow Dwelling'. And since we all are shadow dwellers, we could make a guild out of it!

[Khôr’nagan]

Sounds good to me. I've been spending all day trying to come up with something in Quenya, Sindarin, and even in Black Speech, but nothing nearly as good as that "Noss en daebar." The best thing I have is Istumeanati, (Quenya) meaning "Knowers of evil-things," (I think). That's been my biggest problem, not knowing whether I'm right or wrong about the translations. Anyway, that's good. "Clan of the Shadow Dwelling." Noss en daebar. If you come up with anything more like that, please poost it, BlackCaptain. Great stuff:D

[Beleg]

I will post a topic for a debate soon.
It would be concerning Sauron.
Anyone willing to take part?

[Khôr’nagan]

Sure! I may be new to TTF, but I've got loads of experience in the area concerning Sauron, Morgoth, Balrogs, etc.

Where's it going to be?
When are you posting it?
What is it specifically about?

[BlackCaptain]

It's going to be in here.... I would debate but I have WAY too much stuff going on... I might comment on it ocasionaly;)

[Khôr’nagan]

Cool. So when's it going to be? I've never had any actual debates before... Just some dissagreements with othe members (in another forum). I can't wait!:D

Oh, and BlackCaptain... Could you take a look at the Language Forum? I've got a guess on that translation (in the Translation Game), and I have a new thread with some questions about Sindarin. Thanks!

[MacAddict]

For those of you who watch SpongeBob: You could name this guild EVIL which stands for "Every Villian Is Lemons" For the ep "MermaidMan and BarnacleBoy 2" :D :D


~MacAddict

[YayGollum]

Ick. Why give this place a name in a language that nasssty elves use? Too popular. Also, people would always be asking for the translation. I'd go for something like that in an evil person type language. Or just something that everyone is able to understand. I'm not a fan of any of the ideas for names that I've seen so far. Shall try to come up with something that clicks better.

[Khôr’nagan]

But Elvish names sound so much cooler... And besides, you could always write the translation after it:

Noss en daebar: Clan of the Shadow Dwelling

Oh, by the way, BlackCaptain, I don't suppowse you could change the form of bar into 'dwellers,' could you?

[YayGollum]

Ick. No, the nasssty elf language does not sound cool. But oh well. Whatever you people in charge decide. Yay for tossing the translation after the evil elf language, though. Doobedoobedoo... I'm a fan of some types of evil. Mostly the misunderstood types. I don't delight in evil. I try to knock sense into people to show them why they should feel sorry for the evil types. *hides*

[Khôr’nagan]

Every opinion is important. But, the Elvish language is a large part of the history of Middle-Earth, and besides... You say that Elvish is evil, but this Guild is about evil. Therefore, why wouln't you want something Elvish as the title, considering that the 'evil elf language' is so evil?

[YayGollum]

just because you seem to think that whatever crazy languages Tolkien thought up have something to do with the history of Middle Earth type things doesn't mean that we should have nasssty elf words in the title. But like I already wrote ---> Whatever you people in charge decide. It's not that huge of a deal. Anyways, most people don't think that the nasssty elf language type things are evil. I do just because I hate popular things. A normal person loves popular things. Ick.

[Khôr’nagan]

Nevermind. I was saying that I was going to resign leadership, but Talierin has convinced me otherwise, so I am editing this post accordingly. I am, however, going to need help leading the Guild, as I have no experience whatsoever in doing so. Thus, though I am now not resigning, I will need to appoint appropriate equals to help run the Guild with me. I therefore appoint one member as leader, (though others may follow).

I appoint BlackCaptain as a Guild leader (equal to me).

[Khôr’nagan]

Well, I've now started on a ranking system. There may or may not be a ranking system, but I have started working on one anyway. I have this so far (it's in Sindarin, mostly):

1) Mûl..................Thrall
2) Maethor..........Warrior
3) Morthalion.......Black Hero
4) Herdirauth......Master of War
5) Gúl..................Wraith
6) Nazgúl............Ring-Wraith
7)
8) Hîrgúr.............Lord of Death
9) Aranaug..........King of Pain
10) Baldurgul......God of Sorcery

Please post comments on it!

[Khôr’nagan]

Well, as you can see, I have changed my name to Khôr’nagan, which is Adunaic for 'Lord of Death.' I was previously Mormegil73 (in case you haven't realized yet).

For those who might wish to abbreviate, you may refer to me as Khor.

[BlackCaptain]

Dwelling was the best I could do... I wouldn't want to risk trying to change it and it turn out to be a funky word like clouds or something... haha

The list looks great, except number 7 is missing.

Everything looks great so far!

Yay, I would use Black Tongue but I have NO clue as to how that works. If anyone could think of a cool name in the Black Tongue for this guild it would be great...

[Talierin]

Would you like me to change the name of this thread so it shows up as Noss en Daebar on the list of threads?

[YayGollum]

Well, I had no idea that we had actually decided on a name yet. Maybe they did and I just missed it. I found some stuff for Black Speech type translations a while ago. Shall look for it again. Anyways, Ick. Do we have to have anything to do with those ranks? I've never liked ranks in these little guild things. There's no need for them. Can't we all just be equal members? *sniff*

[BlackCaptain]

Not just yet... We have to decide if we want any Black Speech... I'll PM you and let you know in a little while:)

[YayGollum]

Nope. I will try to find Black Speech type translations anyways. You can't stop me! :rolleyes: *isn't evil enough*

[Khôr’nagan]

Alright, like I said before- Noss en daebar is not necessarily definite. I can change it later if something else is found, but it's Noss en daebar for the time being.

Talierin, not just yet... The name isn't necessarily definite (as I've said), so don't bother.

As for Black speech, I've been working with it for a while now, but my Vocab list is not very extensive. I'll see what I can come up with, though...

Thus far, one thing I have is Búrgûl-hâi, meaning 'Shadow-Folk.'

I'll keep you posted (pun intended) on my progress.

[BlackCaptain]

I like... no... love it.

I say we go with that... Not much of a chance of finding anything better than that. All in favor say 'Yea'

Yea!

[Khôr’nagan]

Well, I have produced the following, some completely random in their purposes. Anyway, this is what I've got:

Búrdurubi
Dark Rulers

Búrgothi
Dark Lords

Búrgûlima(z)
Dark Throne(s)

Dúrbug’móg(i)
Ruling Voice(s)

And that's it.

PS. And by the way... The last two aren't reliable (meanings).:rolleyes:

[BlackCaptain]

I like the Burgûl Hai one... I say we go with that.

[Khôr’nagan]

Sure. I don't really care for the others, just thought I'd post them.:rolleyes: Well, anyway, um... Hold on...

Okay, so let's have a vote. All those for Búrgûl-hâi, say yay. All those against, say nay. If you say both, it will be taken as a yay, so just don't.

[Khôr’nagan]

Yay!

[Lhunithiliel]

Is this dwelling in need of a wraith ? :p :D
I mostly keep silent and watch , but sometimes I get reeeeeeeeeal nasty! ;) :D

So....... I've been watching the development of this new formation of dark forces in the "Blessed Realm" of TTF and I have a question:

Would the Master of the place explain the purpose of the Guild? What is this community going to do? If I like the idea...I might be very well interested to Apply!
I don't think my application will ever be turned down! (***evil wraith-like grin **** LOL )
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And Beleg, what is that debate you were talking about?:rolleyes:

[Khôr’nagan]

I know not the purpose of this guild, other than to spread the shadow of hatred and malice to all those pure of soul... NOT!

But really, what do the other Guild's contribute? What are their purposes? (I really don't know). But other than contributions and purpose, this guild would be a center for evil. There would be things like discussions, debates, resources (for those who want to know something about evil things of Middle-Earth), you know... Just any stuff like that kind of thing.

And finally, yes, their is room in this Guild for a wraith, especially one such as you. And no, you would most definitely not be turned down. All are welcome!:D And, by the way... What do you mean by 'sometimes I get reeeeeeeeeal nasty!'?

[Lhunithiliel]

Hahaha! **** a dark laughter echoes within the dark halls of the dwelling of the dark souls, piercing the dark hearts of the dwellers with a freezing dark terror...***** :p :D

Ask some people around.... :p :D

Now.... as for the purpose of the Guild... I guess that the central interest would be towards the dark forces described in Tolkien's works. Anything related would be worth doing if it is so connected.

If, however, you decide to have the place just for chatting... :rolleyes: .... Well, I think there are already ENOUGH ...even TOO MANY such places at TTF... It won't be original!
My advice - want to be original? - make it worth visiting! Build this place for some definite purpose!

And....thanks for being ready to accept my application....... BUT!...I haven't still submitted it! I'll watch first! :D

[Wolfshead]

I might as well apply for membership - anything to counteract all those fans of the achingly perfect elves!

As for names, I think I prefer the original one Khor came up with, the one about Noss-something or other. But, I'm not a member... yet.

So, can I join?

[YayGollum]

I found a few sites that had some good dictionaries you could use, but noone seemed interested. oh well. I'll go with whatever name you people think up. It's not that huge of a deal. Anyways, isn't the purpose of this guild just to have a place for people with a specific interest? just like the achingly popular guild of elves, we'd discuss evil type things. Not a huge deal.

[BlackCaptain]

I think the purpose of this guild is sort of like the Guild of Elves, only like... a Guild of Evil People. They do things and discuss things about Elves... all that good stuff. We'd discuss everything about the evil forces in Tolkiens works...

I say we start a game... Sort of like... "What bad guy am I?" I'll start...

Ice is my touch, heart and spine
And colder my house, under stone and sign
The dead we are, yet move as the living
Until the dark lord passes, this oath, we fufilling

Wow... i just made that. Probly not too good anyhoo.

[Lhunithiliel]

Is it me? ;) :D

[Khôr’nagan]

The Dead That Live. The Men of Dunharrow, having broken their oath of allegiance to Isildur by refusing to fight in the Last Alliance. They were thus cursed to live as spirits in the White Mountains, it having been their home. They were thus wraiths, living not, and yet not dead. They were so cursed until the day when they would be called upon by the Heir of Isildur to aid in the defeat of he that they refused to fight. Thus were they waiting for that time, fulfilling that curse (not oath).

[Khôr’nagan]

But, let me see...

There was no evil being at first
But slowly grew a hidden thirst
And in our hearts a darkness grew
Evil was defiling all that we knew
We were then aware of an evil presence
That drove out from our minds good sense
It took control of all our wills
And with evil it forever fills
And so are we not ever free
To do a thing but kill, Nothing more.
Now we are evil, right to the core
Though very numerous we most certainly are not
We love only to see things rot
With bodies so vast and powers so great
We kill with fire and dement with hate
And nothing good have we done so far
Just try and start guessing that which we are!

I admit, it's not very difficult. But what can I say, I just like writing poetry.

[YayGollum]

I'll guess balrogs because of the fire thing. And since I don't like coming up with poetry or riddles, you can go again if I'm right. :rolleyes:

[Khôr’nagan]

Yeah, you're right. IT took me about half an hour to write that one, so it'll be a bit before the next.:D

[Khôr’nagan]

Okay, so that was quick:D Now, here it is:

Long ago in days far past
There was a man who was the last
Of his line and of his power
At his feet all Orcs did cower
The greatest foes of men could not
Defeat him in a battle he fought
Sly and quick to strike was he
And it was so that he would be
The one to bring the demise of that
Who’s belly was extremely fat
Though not did he live to tell the tale
For in the end did the beast prevail.

Go on ahead!

[Wolfshead]

Considerably more difficult, Khor :confused: Are we looking for the hero? Assuming we are, was it Theoden, on being killed by the Nazgul steed? The only one that comes to mind just now.

[Khôr’nagan]

Wrong, but sorry- I'm gone for a week as of this moment. Got to go, their waiting for me!

[Wolfshead]

Oh no, now we'll never find out who it was about... well, not for a week, anyway :rolleyes:

[YayGollum]

I would say Turin elfbane. A very evil character.

[BlackCaptain]

Agh there seems to be a mistake... The answer to my question was Barrow Wights, not the Dead Men of Dunharrow. But for simplicities sake, I'll just continue from where we are now. Khor, you should wait for confirmation next time!;)

[BlackCaptain]

AND, I believe YayGollum should've gone after he got the Balrog question right

[YayGollum]

And I believe that you didn't read the post with my correct answer very carefully. I said that since he seems to like making poetry and riddles better than I do, he could do it again if I got it right. Not a huge deal. He can do it again if I'm right again.

[BlackCaptain]

Ohhh my bad...

Could this man be Melkor?

[Khôr’nagan]

Sorry, BlackCaptain. I should have picked up on that 'sign' thing, but oh well... Anyway, you're correct, YayGollum. I don't know about the 'elfbane' part, but it was Turin. (oh yeah, he did accidentally kill that elf once...) But anywho, That's that. I'm gonna go make a new poem now, though I'll give someone else a turn first. Do your worst! (well, not actually worst... I mean try your best!)

[YayGollum]

sorry about that. I like to call him Turin elfbane. He didn't accidentally kill the evil Beleg elf. He saw him and he stuck the sword in him. He definitely meant to kill the thing in front of him. He got a lot of other elves killed, too, but only indirectly. Anyways, the BlackCaptain person could go since he keeps whining about not being able to. :rolleyes:

[BlackCaptain]

I don't remember doing anything remotely close to whining.


Of the three races, the third I came
Of the three classes, mine put to shame.
I hid in the forests, I forsook the west
I laid enchantment upon that which is fairest.
I bore to the world the bane of my kin
And was put to death for my measure of sin

[Celebthôl]

Eol ;)

[Khôr’nagan]

Petty Dwarves? (Dwarves came after Elves and Men)

Or maybe Orcs? (Ainur, Elves, Orcs)

Possibly the Haradhrim or Easterlings?(Elves, Orcs, Men)

[BlackCaptain]

WAIT A SECOND WAIT A SECOND WAIT A SECOND!

THOL! YOU CHEATER! YOU ARENT EVEN A MEMBER! I TOLD YOU! AGH!

Well I guess you're a member now... and I guess you're up.... I'll get you.... Ohhh goodnes gracious I'll get you back. First you steal my post count mojo, now this! Aghhhh. It took you only 50 tries before you finaly got it though... pah

And Khor, the Dwarves came before the men I believe. Although I'm not too sure

I guess your up thol:mad: :rolleyes: :eek: :D

[YayGollum]

That was called sarcasm, BlackCaptain person. The whining I was talking about = You pointing out that people didn't wait for confirmation on answers before going again. Little things like that. oh well. Craziness. Anyways, no, the Dwarves were the first born. Read The Sil. *waits for the next little riddle thing*

[Khôr’nagan]

Iluvatar told Aule that the Dwarves would awake after Elves and Men. But wait... Aule made them then put them to sleep, so... I guess they were the first.

But anyway, I'm getting restless! Nobody's posting more riddles, so I will!

The wisest being I ever knew
Many adventures from him ensue
He shall always know what to do
To anger him would be the end of you


Born I was in days far past
But now found I have been at last
I bite and sting and take delight
I have prevailed in many a fight


I have a script named after me
I have made jewels so fair to see
In fury I chased that which I lost
But in the end my life it cost


I dwell ever in a shadowy den
I fear not the spears of men
Upon the bodies of Orcs I feast
I am a match for the fowlest beast


In the West is what I want
Friends of Elves my men do taunt
I shall have what has been denied
Upon boats all my men shall ride
To the land far over the sea
Where things that are will always be


They're not all evil, but... Oh well...

Guess away!

[Khôr’nagan]

Oh yeah, I forgot to post this:rolleyes: So here it is:

We are of those who dwell in the sand
Taking our orders from the Black Hand
Against those armies of Elves and Men
Now we are marching to war again
Elves and Men we shall annihilate
We go now to war; it is our fate


Guess away!

[BlackCaptain]

1 - Could be a lot of people, but Melkor?

2 - Ungolant?

3 - Feanor

4 - Shelob?

5 - Numenoreans?

6 - Haradrim?

[Khôr’nagan]

1. Wrong. Gandalf is the anwser. "Do not mettle in the affars of Wizards, for they are suttle and quick to anger." Many adventures were said to pop up wherever he went (in the Shire). An, like I said, thes weren't all evil... 1 and 2 were just for fun.:D

2. Wrong. You'll probably never get it, so it's Sting. Gondolin made it, Bilbo found it, they Spiders named it 'Biter' and Bilbo named it 'Sting.' Thus 'I bite and sting and take delight.'

3. Correct.

4. Correct.

5. Correct. (I implied Ar-Pharazon by saying 'my men,' but it's close enought).

6. Correct.


I admit some were too easy, but hey... I had to get rid of several lines each just to make it harder. this was the Haradhrim poem:

We are of those who dwell in the sand
Taking our orders from the Black Hand
The sun above is scorchingly hot
Many a battle of old we’ve fought
Against those armies of Elves and Men
Now we are marching to war again
We ride upon beasts of size so great
They can and will destroy any gate
Elves and Men we shall annihilate
We go now to war; it is our fate

So, anyway... Someone else go now, please! I'm bored of just writing and not guessing. I'm not going to stop writing, however, so you'd netter get one out while you've still got the chance!

[Khôr’nagan]

Too late!:p I just came up with a new one! (Don't worry, it's something Evil)

I was created in times long ago
For all dark and evil things to know
So that dissention could be overcome
And learned I was to all but some
But over time my memory diminished
In those servants that were not finished
And now I am all but forgotten
Therefore now I am spoke not often
But still some things of me stand high
And they will but fade, not die
Only through forgotten lore in shrine
Can one discover where I still do shine


Go on and guess away!:D

[Arebeth]

That's good news... I'd like to join.

All things that can turn bad will necessarily turn bad.

[Wolfshead]

All things that can turn bad will necessarily turn bad Like ommlette that has been sitting in someone's room for a couple of weeks. For some reason, I resorted to switching on the air freshener rather than clearing it out...

[BlackCaptain]

Could the answer be the Silmarills?

[Khôr’nagan]

Wrong. (HINT): This is something Evil, but it itself is not an object; it is something that, if totally forgotten (by all), would cease to exist. The object spoken of, however, would (as long as it existed) not allow for (the answer of this riddle) to cease to exist, because (the answer) is a part of this object.

Now then, it should be easy to guess.

[BlackCaptain]

Woah that Hint was a riddle in itself! Sounds like something Bilbo would muster up for his Bicentenial:D I'm thinking the hint means if people forget about this thing it will no longer exist, but if it's spoken of it wont cease to exist?

I frankly have no clue...The Void?:confused: ?

[Khôr’nagan]

I probably haven't been clear enough.:rolleyes: The answer is the Black Speech. The One Ring was the object, because it contained the Black Speech in the iscription. After the fall of Sauron, all but few of his servants (All but the Ring-Wraiths) forgot the Black Speech, them being Orcs that did not perish in Sauron's downfall. Thus, should all forget the Black Speech, it would cease to exist (if the Ring were destroyed), for it is something contained only in living memory. Anyway, someone else go before I finish yet another poem:D

[Khôr’nagan]

Going a bit off the riddles for a second, I just started a poem about Melkor; This I have:

I am the darkest of the foulest things
The most evil of all evil beings
Evil I turned in times long ago
Out in the void did I often go
And in those times I began to grow
More evil and foul than ever you know
Ever dissention did I try to sew
And cause the music to cease to flow
But before I could cause to much discord
Stopped was I by the Ultimate Lord
It was in that moment, when I was ashamed
That deep down within me a malice was flamed
And when we were shown what our music created
Then it was that my pride was inflated
And then I began to contemplate
How I could dement good things with hate
And so did I descend unto the world
At which time was my vale unfurled
So was my evil and contempt let loose
Thus did I turn good to evil use
And when I could I did dement
I changed the world from what was meant
And from those good I did convince
Some to join me, and ever since
They have all served me so well
Foul they are; beasts great and fell
One there was chief in the Ranks
Sauron was he, and to him thanks
Did my dominion rule on high
I always tricked and love to lie
In such ways did I many things great
And ever was grand power my bait
Balrogs were after Sauron in line
Gothmog was a favorite of mine
Grond was named the Mace I bore
Ever it dealt wounds grave and sore
But the waking of Elves did make
The Valar come and my fortress take
But deep within my dungeons deep
Did Sauron and the Balrogs keep
Imprisoned I was by the Valar then
Though for but three ages, it seemed for ten
But when at last I was set free
I acted like it had reformed me
And so did I pretend to be good
Until the Valar’s guard down stood
And so did I escape and run
To Middle-Earth, to an evil one
Who would assist me in destroying
The light that the Valar were enjoying
Ungoliant was its foul name
And with me to Valimar it came
And we did destroy the Two Trees
Then left magain swift as the breeze
Thus stole we did from hidden hoard
The Silmarils and I killed with sword
He that sttod thus in my way
And off we but were chased like prey
Though we escaped, and thus did I
For Ungoliant tried from me to pry
The Silmarils that Feanor wrought
And so there we evil ones fought
But not did I have for myself to fend
For the Balrogs did Sauron send
And away the foul thing fled
And by the Balrogs was I led
Back to my fortress of long ago
Though it was damaged by many a blow
And so it lay in ruin there
But then I rebuilt wall and stair
And Thangorodrim then was raised
And ever was I by evil praised
But Feanor in his blind fury
Chased me after, and in his hurry
He became too bold and proud
And so was he by Gothmog plowed
And stricken down did he then die
And away from him his spirit did fly
But other Elves still there remained
And ever was the green grass stained
With blood of Elves and Orcs both
And ever aided me, Feanor’s oath
For the Elves at times did find each other
And I just watched and didn’t bother
To intervene in the fighting
And ever joyous was the sighting
And even when stolen was a Silmaril
All that it did was stir more ill will
And the did most of my work for me
And never did I ever foresee
That to the Valar it would come
And they came down and drove me from
My precious fortress and did fight
And they took from me all my might
So then did they cast me into the Void
And they so thought was Evil destroyed

What do you think?

[Khôr’nagan]

Say, has anyone heard of Middle-Earth Online from Turbine/Westwood? Apparently it is a "massive multiplayer online game," MMOG, as they call it. This line (From the Boston Globe) I took special notice in; it read as such:

Middle-Earth Online will accommodate those who want to play evil roles, but such characters will be altered permanently.

I am particularly excited about this, although it is said to be out in late 2004. Anyone know anything about it? (Please also respond to my previous post; I would like responses for both).

[Wolfshead]

Not a bad poem, wouldn't be too hot for a guessing game, though ;)

The game sounds good, if you get any more info, let us know :)

[Khôr’nagan]

Well, this is the entire article (from the Boston Globe):

This could be Hobbit forming
A Westwood company is re-creating Middle-earth for a world of online players

By Hiawatha Bray, Globe Staff, 8/20/2003

WESTWOOD -- The hero plunges into a stream that flows and glows like liquid crystal. His muscular legs drive him through the gleaming water toward the lavish grass on the opposite shore. It's a lovely scene, idyllic and utterly unreal. The wading man creates no wake, no splashes, not even a ripple. Aatish Salvi notes the absence of water turbulence and apologizes for it. His team of software engineers hasn't yet added that feature to the scene.

After all, there are so many other things to think about -- orcs, elves, dwarves, and ents. A few of the horrible Balrogs, of course. And hobbits and men.

It took J.R.R. Tolkien decades to construct his fictional Middle-earth. Salvi's got just over a year to recreate it in binary form and then welcome guests from around the world for an extended visit. "It poses a huge challenge," Salvi says. "It's such a responsibility to

live up to the greatest fantasy of the 20th century." So he and his colleagues may be forgiven if they haven't quite gotten the water to look right. Salvi's the producer of Middle-Earth Online, a forthcoming computer game that's being assembled at Turbine Entertainment Software in Westwood. There have been plenty of other computer games based on "The Lord of the Rings" books. But Middle-Earth Online will be the first Tolkien-based game to take place in a permanent digital universe, located on computer servers scattered around the world.

Even when a player leaves to walk the dog or do homework, the game goes on, as thousands of other players continue the saga. When the absent player returns, he'll find that Middle-earth is a different place -- perhaps with his home burned to the ground, and more of those nasty Ringwraiths hanging about.

This kind of "massively multiplayer online game," or MMOG, has surged in popularity right along with the high-speed home Internet links that make the games practical. Software companies like them because, unlike traditional computer games, which are purchased only once, MMOGs charge players a monthly subscription fee, generating a steady revenue stream.

The Japanese electronics firm Sony has about half a million subscribers for its sword-and-sorcery MMOG EverQuest and has just launched another one in which players can live inside George Lucas's "Star Wars" world. A South Korean company claims 1.5 million players for its online game Lineage. American game company Electronic Arts late last year created an online version of its popular game The Sims.

This is pretty fast company for a 150-person Bay State firm. But Turbine has been here before. It won a contract from Microsoft Corp. to create an MMOG that would compete with EverQuest. The result, Asheron's Call, has gone through two editions since its debut in 1999 and attracted more than 120,000 players.

Turbine CEO Jeffrey Anderson says working with the ferociously disciplined "Microsofties" was a crucial learning experience for his firm. "They have very rigorous production schedules," Anderson says. "Their emphasis on that helped create a culture of completeness at Turbine."

A proven dedication to getting things right won over officials at Vivendi Universal Games, the New York-based company that holds the digital rights to the Tolkien saga. Anderson aggressively pitched tiny Turbine as the right choice to develop Middle-Earth Online, based on the success of Asheron's Call. Vivendi agreed.

Now all the Turbine designers have to do is build a fresh, original world, based on a set of books so well-loved that some people have practically memorized them. It's not just a matter of being true to the books, either. Middle-Earth Online is a game, after all. Players all want to be heroes. But thousands of players can't all be Gandalf or Frodo or Strider.

"How do you create a world that has thousands of heroes?" Salvi says. "Tolkien has solved this problem for us." His books are littered with hundreds of characters, places, and events that are barely sketched, to save room for the main story of the Fellowship of the Ring. The Middle-Earth Online team will create a host of game scenarios that will show how other parts of Middle-earth are affected by the actions of the books' main characters.

"If you look at the passage of the fellowship, it leaves a wake," Salvi says. For example, Frodo's effort to destroy the One Ring has roused the evil Sauron to deal harshly with the Shire, the land of hobbits. His vengeance could destabilize not just the Shire but the entire surrounding region of Eriador, in the northwestern part of Middle-earth. Playing hobbits, wizards, or men, gamers will be able to live out all the consequences of the War of the Ring, with endless opportunities to live out fantasies of virtue.

Or villainy. Some people will want to be orcs or Ringwraiths, servants of evil, and the game will accommodate them. But play as a villain, says Salvi, and the taint of evil will alter your character permanently, limiting its ability to interact with the forces of goodness and driving the player deeper into the grasp of Sauron. Really wicked characters might even end up like Gollum.

Tolkien's books aren't the only fantasies being reimagined at Turbine. There's the ongoing Asheron's Call saga, of course -- the company continually injects new features and story lines into the game to keep players happy.

And in another corporate coup, Turbine has struck a deal with the gaming company Wizards of the Coast to create an MMOG version of the perennially popular game Dungeons & Dragons. This game will be another radical move for Turbine. Unlike Asheron's Call and Middle-Earth Online, Turbine itself will finance the development of the game. It's part of a plan by Anderson to stop merely making games for larger publishing firms and make Turbine a major game publisher in its own right.

For now, though, the Turbine team is focused on getting the work done. Early versions of both Dungeons & Dragons and Middle-Earth Online are due for release late in 2004. That gives Salvi and his colleagues little more than a year to make a host of tough design choices.

For instance, what happens to a character who gets killed? Do you cancel his subscription and lose a customer? Or do you resurrect him? And how can you do that without making a mockery of the game? That's just one of the issues that the Turbine team must settle before Middle-Earth Online comes to life. And if issues of life and death weren't challenging enough, they've still got to get water to splash.
© Copyright 2003 Globe Newspaper Company.

[Wolfshead]

That looks rather cool :D Looks like broadband should be where I live by the time it comes out, so I can enjoy a high-speed connection where I live. Or not, now I come to think of it - by late 2004 I should be living in (hopefully) Edinburgh at uni. But still, I should like to play it :D :rolleyes:

[Khôr’nagan]

Well, back to the riddles, I just made another one.:D Here it is:

We live in places far from light
Ever do we fear Anor’s sight
We’re not too big but rather tough
And ever is where we live rough
But in a fight though we’re not great
Still will we be driven by hate
We steal and plunder and care not
Though at times being dearly bought
And ever do we like to kill
But mostly them with pain we fill
And torture them for days on end
Until all their last strength they spend
And then we eat them and grow fat
And we take comfort knowing that
We have caused great pain and despair
As slowly their flesh we did tear

I admit I got a bit carried away, but... Hey, this is an evil guild. Unfortunately i've had to remove certain lines to make it more difficult.:( But anyway, go ahead and guess away!

[Wolfshead]

Orcs?

[Khôr’nagan]

Yeah, pretty much. I was thinking more of Goblins, but they're near the same thing... At least, the names of them are interchangable between different versions of the same story. What I mean is that one version calls them Goblins, but another version calls them Orcs. It happens....

So, anyone want a go before I go again? I must admit, it's tiring work coming up with all this... But 15 years of pent-up creativity does count for something, and I've got a while more to go yet before I have trouble making the poems. Nay, rather I shall run out of things to write about. Ah, heck... I'll make one right now!

I was a great man of power
And before me all did cower
But now have I become far more
And for the world I have much in store
Evil shall be my sole friend
Plagues upon plagues I shall send
And by my hand shall all things die
Now I send my wraiths to fly
For I am he that is leader
of those like to me, I'm better
All shall bow before my throne
Until the Dark lord's dominion be known

I admit it's a bit weak, but, hey... It only took a few minutes.

[Wolfshead]

Sounds like The Witch King? I'll let you come up with them, poetry is not my forté :rolleyes:

[Khôr’nagan]

Yeah, it was the Witch King. Well, now, let me think... I'll have to get back to you with a poem, cause I can't think of one just now.

[Khôr’nagan]

Well, among other things, I've come up with another poem. So, here it is:

In times beyond the count of men
Bred I was in a deep, dark den
There I grew but was not content
And so at last forth I was sent
Therefore I emerged to attack
But by my foes was driven back
For a wound I did then receive
Though time slowly did it relieve
So I then brooded and did wait
Until my great armor did seal
And at last when my wound did heal
And grew far greater than before
So through the air I then did soar
Thus with others we broke the siege
I ever on served well my Liege

Well, guess away!

[YayGollum]

Huh. That sounds a lot like Glaurung. Except that he didn't have wings. oh well. Shall think about it some more.

[Khôr’nagan]

Okay, I'm assuming that you weren't serious about the Wings thing... But anyway, Yes, it was Glaurung.

[BlackCaptain]

It's true. Glaurung didn't have wings. Ancalagon was the father of winged dragons... If you read thru the Silmarillion it never once mentions Glaurung flying, or having wings

[Khôr’nagan]

Well, YayGollum, I apologize for being misleading. I had forgotten that Glaurung didn't have wings. My bad.

Well, anyway... So, how about someone else goes now? I dare say I've gone quite enough times for a while.

[BlackCaptain]

Manipulative, cunning, sly, a fake
Unto my ''master'' my oath i did break
My name is persuasion, I must have fair breath,
I move from north to south, with the utmost stealth
Fould among foul, sly amont sly,
A shame that I, was the last to die

Ok, so breath and stealth don't totatly rhyme, and the first line is horrbile, but a valid attempt, no matter how ease
:rolleyes: ...i think...

[Khôr’nagan]

Gollum?

[YayGollum]

Do what? Insanity! It could not be Gollum! If it was, I would have to call this BlackCaptain person insane. oh well. Let me see here. The first thing that popped into my head was Saruman. Looking a little further, I thought of Grima. I'm probably just crazy, though, and need to think more often. Grima was cool. Saruman was pure evil. Gollum was the coolest. You couldn't toss most of those descriptions at poor Smeagol.

[BlackCaptain]

Not Gollum...

Yay, is your guess Grima?

[Arebeth]

I'd say Grima.

[YayGollum]

Fine. Grima. I just don't know how that utmost stealth thing fits into it since he never seemed to me to be especially more stealthier than some others.

[BlackCaptain]

Well he was always going from Isengard to Bree un-noticed and never spotted by anyone (save the Nazgul), that could be considered taking lots of care while being stealthy.

The anser is Grima, and I'll give it to Yay since he originally came up with the idea

[Khôr’nagan]

Well, I've come up with another one, so I might as well go. Here it is:

I knew things that others did not
I did know of the thing He sought
I wished for this thing to be mine
So I kept searching for a sign
That the little ones did so hold
What was lost in the days of old
And when I found my chance I fled
And the weak little ones I led
To the river and so I tried
But I was shot and thus I died
And I knew not that what I’d done
Would allow the small ones to run

Guess away.

[Khôr’nagan]

I've come up with another two. Here they are:

I am he that was greatly skilled
Before darkness and evil filled
My whole heart and my whole being
And soon I became all-seeing
With powers great and my will strong
To the great Eye I did belong
For with him I could not compete
And his dominion was complete
So I long served him not knowing
And in my heart his will growing
But in the end it mattered not
For he so lost that which he sought
And all was lost, his power spent
So from my fortress I then went
And I did yet cause trouble great
But in the end consumed by hate

I’m of a very foul breed
For long was I given no heed
But the Dark Lord did then notice
And we were put to dark purpose
And we were fed by foul meats
And we so became foul beasts
So were we then put to dark work
And on our backs did evil lurk
In that such way were we long taught
And in the great war we then fought
For we bore His greatest servants
And we were ever deterrents
For our foes to so do battle
Because their wills we did rattle
But in the end we were ended
When the Dark Lord was rescinded

Guess away, but hurry up... I will be coming up with more soon.

[BlackCaptain]

The third one is the Carion Fowl... The one that the Witch King rides on...


I'm stumped as to the first one, but could the second one be Ar-Pharazon?

[Khôr’nagan]

Well, the third one's right. A good guess on the second, but wrong. As for the first one, he's nobody big. good luck.

[YayGollum]

That first one scares me. Anyways, I'm guessing that the other one is Saruman. Should we change the name of this thread to ---> The Evil Character Poetry Guild? :rolleyes:

[Khôr’nagan]

Yes, the other one is Saruman... But the first one shouldn't scare you, it being a fellow evil person. As for the name change- That's just something we're doing right now. Eventually, we will run out of things to write about, and the riddles will be expended. But, in the mean time, nobody's guest my first one (correctly) yet. Personally, I thought that one was the easiest. I put way too much information in the poem about him, so I thought it'd be guessed quick. Apparently not, though.

[BlackCaptain]

Isildur?:confused:

[Khôr’nagan]

No. (Also, I don't consider isildur evil.):

'Alas, it is not, senta. I cannot use it. I dread the pain of touching it. And I have not yet found the strength to bend it to my will. It needs one greater than I now know myself to be. My pride is fallen. It should go to the Keepers of the Three.' - Isildur to Elendur. (At this time, Orcs had begun attacking them in the Gladden Fields, and battle was in progress, though not yet turned badly for Isildur; at that time, Isildur's men were holding them off successfully. There was not yet any fear that they would lose the battle.)

In light of this passage, I do not believe that Isildur was in any way evil. It seemed to him only common sense that Sauron had been destroyed and that whether or not the Ring survived had nothing to do with it. But this was not the Ring's doing, merely his own inability to forsee the consequences of his actions. And I also believe that the only reason the Ring had any hold over Isildur was because Isildur didn't want the Ring destroyed anyway. Since their goals were the same, the Ring was able to hold sway over Isildur. Otherwise, I do not believe that the Ring could have had control over him. Isildur was, in my opinion, greatly misunderstood. The truth of the matter is that Isidur went to the river to escape because his son forced him to do so, and his prupose was to journey to Rivendell and give the Ring to Elrond. He was going to give Elrond the Ring so that the Ring could then be brought back to Mount Doom and destroyed. The Ring, sensing this, slipped off Isildur's finger to stop him from doing so. The Ring only abandons a bearer when it becomes apparent that it cannot hold sway over that bearer, or if there is someone more suitable.

[Khôr’nagan]

Can't anyone figure it out? Come on, don't make me tell you the answer... that's just no fun.:( Well, here's a hint:

I bear the mark of the lidless eye
It was by a spear that did I die
I'm of those who were corrupted
And my plunder was interrupted
At the time of my life's end
I hope a hand this hint did lend.

So, that adds to the first one. I'm practically giving it away with this hint...

[BlackCaptain]

Grishnakh!

[YayGollum]

Isildur was definitely and achingly obviously evil. Of course not wholly, but since he was a human and humans aren't especially perfect, he was evil in some ways. oh well. Nevermind. Anyways, Woah! I seem to have read this conversation before somewhere! oh well.

[BlackCaptain]

What do you mean? Reading it before...?

[Khôr’nagan]

Yeah, it was Grishnakh. And, YayGollum, I know Isildur was evil, but only for a time. He overcame the will of the ring and rid himself of its evil (in my opinion) when he determined to give it to Elrond in Imladris. He was still (partially) corrupted by it, but it no longer held sway over him. Just like Gollum would have been rid of his evil if the Ring was destroyed (and him still alive), yet he would still be the same corrupt gangle creature. Only with Isildur, it did not take the destruction of the Ring for that to happen, for he was a strong man with great strength of will, and once he overcame the Ring's will, it no longer held sway. (This is, of course, all in my personal deductions and opinions). But, YayGollum, what did you mean about 'I seem to have read this conversation before somewhere!'?

[YayGollum]

Gangle creature? :rolleyes: oh well. About the achingly boring Isildur person ---> I wouldn't say that he was only evil for a time. He was evil for his entire life. just like any other human. I already wrote that we're not perfect. We're not good all of the time, either. oh well. Anyways, that thing about me thinking that I had read the conversation before was just craziness. I forget the word for it. I had seen it before. Not a huge deal.

[BlackCaptain]

Howsabout this one:

He was always crazy,
I declare to all.
How can he own it?!
He must some day fall.
And when that sunny day comes nigh
And the flowers sprout o're his grave
I shall feel at the least 5 feet tall,
And from the anguish, alas be saved.
How can he be the rightfull owner of this place?
When he can't even find for one year a place to settle
And when all is said and done, and I have grown too old
He mocks me with cheap silver things of metal

[Khôr’nagan]

Wo.... Dang... That's hard.... Took me a minute or two to get it.

"The name's Bagginses, Bilbo Bagginses." Or, possibly Frodo, since they were both looked at similarly. Am I right?

And, what's more, I do believe that's Lobelia talking. Great poem. I'm usually not thinking about Hobbitses, but rather of Aragorn with the Ring of Barahir, or maybe even the One Ring. Oh, and one more thing.... I've made up a name for the One Ring in Black Speech. Either Ashnazg (One-Ring), or Nazgash (Ring-One). Whichever one people think sounds cooler.

Oh, and by the way... Here's the Black Speech dictionary I've been using. It's not the most accurate, but....

agh....................and (conjunction)
albai....................n: elf (or) elves
amal....................n: where
ash.................... n: one
bagronk....................n: dung-pit
bugd-....................v: call
burgul.................... n: shadow, comes from the root gul
burzum....................n: darkness
bub....................n: pig
burz....................adj: dark
durb-....................v: rule
durub....................n: ruler
Dushgoi....................pn: Minas Morgul
Dushgoizagh....................pn: Morgul Pass
dump-....................v: doom
fauth-....................v: lie hidden
gaakh....................let it be that
gakh....................three
gazat....................n: dwarf
ghash....................n: fire
ghashum....................n: heat
gimb-....................v: find
glob....................v: filth
golug....................n: elves, from the 1st Age
goth....................n: lord, master
gund....................n: stone
gul....................n: wraith
hosh....................n: guts
ilid....................n: elf (or) elves
krak....................five
krimp-....................v: bind
krith....................nine
lat....................you
lata-....................under (preposition)
lug....................n: tower
Lugburzum....................n: the very dark patch of dark around Barad-dur
Lugburz....................pn: Barad-dur
m-....................root of interrogative words
mal....................where? (interrog)
mat-....................v: die
maturz....................adj: mortal
mog....................n: voice
narku....................never
nazg....................n: ring
Nazgul....................n: Ring-wraith
nut....................n: sky
oghor....................n: Druuadan
olog....................n: Mordor light-tolerant troll
prakh-....................v: lure
pushdug....................adj,participle: stinking
sha....................together with (preposition)
shakh....................n: lord
shara....................n: man
sharku....................n: old man
skai....................gah! (exclamation)
snaga....................n: slave (and used by Uruk-hai as = `orc of smaller breed')
srinkh-....................v: gather (transitive)
ta....................him
tab....................his
tak....................them
tala....................above (preposition)
tark....................man of Numenorean descent
thrak-....................v: bring
throqu-....................v: devour
tug....................adv: only
u....................to (preposition)
udu....................seven
ulima....................n: throne
uruk....................n: one of a breed of big orcs
uzg....................n: land
za....................this
zagh....................n: mountain pass

SPECIAL HANDLERS

-at....................verb infinitive Example: Krimp-at
-hai....................people (collective plural)
-i....................noun plural after consonant Example: Bagronk-i
-ishi....................in (case suffix)
-ob....................of (case suffix)
-u....................noun plural after consonant
-ub-....................verb future tense suffix
-ug....................verb present active participle
-uga....................verb past passive participle
-uk....................all
-ul....................them
-um....................-ness, -yness
-ur....................for (case suffix)
-urz....................a common adjective-forming suffix
-z....................noun plural after vowel
a-....................prefixed to an interrogative makes it into a relative

Just thought I'd post it, in case anyone else wanted it.

[BlackCaptain]

wow. Great job with the black speach.

And yes, it is Lobelia concerning Bilbo. Good job!

[Wonko The Sane]

I'm joining!! ADD ME! :) YAY!

This guild might be superfluous, but it's still evil and that's for me! :)

[BlackCaptain]

Hahaha we're glad to have ya

[Khôr’nagan]

Yes. Indeed.

Well, howz abootz Iza gozen?

I love the dark of the abyss
Though with your eyes you’re sure to miss
Me when you’re looking in that place
For in this form I have no face
Though my presence you’ll surely feel
And you might even over keel
For I am so great to behold
My voice like thunder ten fold
My aura is of majesty
As I would seem if me you see
My mere thoughts cause consternation
Of all things in all creation
For none can stand up to my will
For with a quick glance I can kill
Those who are small and weak of mind
Elves and Dwarves and all of mankind
Will you go against my power?
Or will you hide away and cower?
For none can go against my strength
For more than a moment of length
Fear me! Behold! Me in all might!
Be smart and not Me ever fight
For if you do you will not last
Because I’ll kick your lily ***! (Censored (by me) for profanity)

So, who d’you beeza thinkzin’, eh?
(I apologize for the spelling; I just feel like writing with an accent)

It might be a little harder than you think it is... Not as straight-forward as it seems.

[BlackCaptain]

Durin's Bane?

[Wonko The Sane]

My guess is "The Watcher in the Water"

Or the "bodies" in the Dead Marshes...

[Khôr’nagan]

No and no... A Balrog is closer, but not quite there.

[BlackCaptain]

Ungoilantë?

[Khôr’nagan]

Nay. Circling around the answer, you are. Refine your thoughts, you must now do. Very close you are now becoming, though not there yet.

[Khôr’nagan]

Aw, come on... Don't give up now! It's so obvious, and you're so close. Here's a hint *grumbles*:

His hand's as black as an albino's is white
It is a most wretched and disturbing sight
From years long past in days of night
Never numb is that painful blight

And, as if that weren't enough, here's another hint:

His pride is great, his will is strong
He takes delight in all that's wrong
His arrogance is unsurpassed
By any who now live
Though of evil not the last
This hint I now do give.

Okay? Please tell me I've not gone mad in thinking that you'd understand my meaning.

[YayGollum]

oh well. I'm just afraid of the parts that say that this thing has no face and none can stand up to his will.

[Khôr’nagan]

He has no face in but one place
Deep in the depths of time and space
He is consumed in his own arrogance
For none but the One can kill with a glance
And the One being Eru Iluvatar
The being that I speak of is not Eru by far
So refine your thoughts and try to think clearly
For now to the answer you are so nearly
Do not be afraid of he who is lame
Think not of his unlimited fame

Now please, please say you know who it is! I'm starting to think that my description was severely lacking in quality.

[YayGollum]

I think that it's Mel. Poor guy. Evil Varda lady. Why did she have to be so mean and prompt him to become so evil? oh well.

[Khôr’nagan]

Mel?

Sorry, but you'll have to be more specific than that. It could be Melian, Melkor, or some other people. One thing's for sure- If you mean Mel Gibson, you're way, way off.:D

[YayGollum]

Could Melian be called a guy? Did Melian or that Mel Gibson person have anything to do with Varda that made them evil? Was my answer in the form of a riddle? I didn't mean it to be.

[BlackCaptain]

Melkor? Haha I must have been thinking too hard if this is the right answer

[Khôr’nagan]

Yes, actually, it is the right answer. (Just giving you a hard time, YayGollum, since it took so long to guess).

So, that's the reason... You all overthought it. Well, anyway, Melkor/Morgoth is the correct answer. So, anyone else wanna go?

[YayGollum]

No, but then, I think I mentioned that I'm not a huge fan of coming up with poetry or riddles. I'd like to bring up the idea of doing something other than riddles, but if you people are still having fun with it, I have no problem. Anyways, I still don't like the parts about him not having a face and that none could stand up to his will, but oh well.

[BlackCaptain]

Yeah... some of that poem was confusing/slightly innacurate. Oh well... we can do a couple more riddles then we'll move on!

As for now I'll think of a riddle... Be back later

[Khôr’nagan]

With that part, I was talking about Melkor before the Ainur entered Ea, when they were still making music for Iluvatar. (Note, "Deep in the depths of time and space", and "I love the dark of the abyss"). But anyway, sure, we can just do a few more riddles and be done with it. Besides, I've been running out of Evil people/things to write about!

[BlackCaptain]

Sorry for my delay... Khor you can go if you want to. If not we could find something else to do in here.

[Khôr’nagan]

Well, I think I could come up with one more riddle. Let's see...

I am he that has no friend
My life seems to have no end
And if you see me then you
Will have pity for me too
So do not just run me through
For I've something yet to do.

I admit, it's extremely easy, but I figure I might as well save him for last.

[Sarah]

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13040&perpage=15&pagenumber=3

This proves it. I'm evil. Can I join now?

[Khôr’nagan]

Of course. Welcome!

[Sarah]

YAY! :D

I mean, er...

grr, arg. :mad:


:rolleyes:

[Khôr’nagan]

LOL:)

You've now been added to the Member's List.

[Sarah]

Yay, again!

I mean.

grr.

[BlackCaptain]

Wha?

Oh well I guess I'm gonna say the King of the Dead?!

[Khôr’nagan]

Sorry, but incorrect, BlackCaptain. Great guess, though.

[YayGollum]

Do what? And it's not poor Smeagol? Why pity any king of any dead people?

[Khôr’nagan]

Okay... I'm kind of confused by your post (And it's not poor Smeagol?), but you mentioned Smeagol, and that's the correct answer. And do what? Why, destroy the One Ring, of course. Why pity any king of any dead people? Well, the King of the Dead was cursed and all... But besides, the answer's Smeagol/Gollum, and there is a great deal to pity about him.

Well, that's that. So, any suggestions on what to do next? I've got a few ideas, of course, but I want input. My ideas are:

1) Discussion on a topic related to Evil things
2) Finish making a Guild Name
3) Work on obtaining new members, involving an interesting topic of discussion, maybe some advertising (I'm putting a link in my signature), and anything else that may be needed

Okay then, so those are my ideas. Please post your opinions on these Ideas as well as any Ideas of your own.

NOTE: I really want this to become a major guild, but first we need direction and more members. Anything to help in this endevour would be appreciated.

[YayGollum]

I tossed the Do what? and And it's not poor Smeagol? things in there because I was especially shocked that the BlackCaptain person didn't think of that in the first place. oh well.

For the first thing ---> Find topics that have already been made about evil type things then stick links to them in here so that all of the fans of evil type things can come in to defend the guy.

For the second thing ---> Toss all of the old ideas right here so that only one person has to dig around to find them.

For the third thing ---> I think that there is a thread in the guild of Dwarves that's talking about combining guilds with similar interests. It would be a guild for all races. There will be subforums. One for Dwarves, elves, humans, and the miscellaneous and less popular races. They're looking for people to be in charge of all of those sections. How's about you go over there and say that you wouldn't mind being in charge of the miscellaneous one where the evil types would be most appreciated? just a suggestion.

[Khôr’nagan]

Sure, I'll go check it out. Thanks!

[Khôr’nagan]

Hey, BlackCaptain... Could you please check out that thread as well? I would like your opinion on the merge, and the greater part of the information about it is in that thread. I have agreed to having this guild included, though as an equal guild-master, your agreement is also required (as far as I'm concerned). Thanks!

[BlackCaptain]

What thread?

[Khôr’nagan]

Originally posted by YayGollum
I think that there is a thread in the guild of Dwarves that's talking about combining guilds with similar interests. It would be a guild for all races. There will be subforums. One for Dwarves, elves, humans, and the miscellaneous and less popular races. They're looking for people to be in charge of all of those sections. How's about you go over there and say that you wouldn't mind being in charge of the miscellaneous one where the evil types would be most appreciated? In the Guild of Dwarves, there is a sticky labeled "Merge Ideas," or something like that. It talks about a really huge, highly-organized guild that is almost like a forum in itself. Check it out.

[Khôr’nagan]

Well, until BlackCaptain comes by and sees that post, let's move on. What does everyone else think about this merge?

[Sarah]

um being the newest member i prolly dont have much say, but um

no me gusto.

[Khôr’nagan]

You no like? Why? (and by the way, I see people as "Higher Post-count = More Credible)

Have you taken a look at the thread that I had indicated? It has a lot of information on it, and I find it quite appealing, especially since this guild would become multi-threaded. It would still be individual, of course, from the other things... Well, you know the Guild of Tolkienology, and how it has sub-froums and all? Well the merge would have this guild as a sub-forum, with individual threads of its own. And I personally have been dying to make this guild multi-threaded, because then a bunch of different things can be going on all at once, and things would move faster. Plus, there'll be a bunch of new members signing up (probably), and since there's only a handfull right now, I'd say that's a good thing. Everyone's opinions are important, of course, especially from people with higher post counts. Truth is I've only been a member of TTF for almost 2 months, I'm only 15 years old, and I only started reading the Lord of the Rings stuff about a year ago, so I consider people who have high post counts, are older than me, have been reading Tolkien's world for years and joined TTF a while back as having more weighty opinions than myself. This is not always true, of course, but it's true at least until I get to understand the person a bit better.

[Sarah]

ok you've convinced me.

[Khôr’nagan]

Yay! I mean... Argh!;)

[YayGollum]

Stop thinking that people with a higher post count are more credible in some ways than others. That's just craziness. Sure, I'm swiping up every Tolkien type book until I know everything, but there are some who are achingly new and know more than I do. Even if you're just talking about forum type things. I've been around this place for a while, but someone who joined yesterday could know a lot more than me about it since they could have just been reading this whole time without joining. Don't trust some little number when you're forming opinions about someone you don't know. Ick. Anyways, I'm hoping that those people will pay attention to you. I'm not crazy about their name ideas, though. Why put things in other languages? Some people will have no idea what it is.

[BlackCaptain]

I'm with Yay onthis one... I'm not sure I like this whole Evil Guild getting official business. That's the last thing i'd want... Evil Guild going big and me needing to get even more involved in long term things...

And post count doesnt matter on this forum. There's some 100 or 200 posters on this forum who know at least twice as much tolkien related things as me, and have read twice as much tolkien as me. I'm not sure why we even have a post count system. We're always taking away posts, limiting things trying to prevent spamming...

[YayGollum]

When did I write that I didn't want this place to become more popular or official or whatever? I don't remember. I see no problem with it. Why worry about responsibility and things? It doesn't get that hard that fast. At least it didn't with my guild of Outcasts.

[BlackCaptain]

Hmm... well than I guess I'm alone on this one. Oh well. Then again you haven't said that your with me or not on this one so I guess your opinions can still change

[Khôr’nagan]

1) How I judge people on a forum is initially based on post count. I then consider the person's attitude, and try to understand their style of posting. Then I try and evaluate how much they know, as well as how mature they are (acting mature and being mature are very different things). Finally, I take in their age (if I can find it) to get an over-all perspective of the person. One major thing is to be careful of sarcasm, as that can make a mature adult look like an ignorant two-year-old (depending on the extend it is used). After weighing all this out, I decide how credible they are and how much I shook consider their opinions. For example, If a 10-year-old kid who hasn't read any of the books comes in and joins, then says his opinion on something, chances are I'll completely disregard it. But, if someone like Beorn comes in here, joins, and posts his opinion on something, I'll most suredly count it more than I'd count mine. That's because he's experienced on a Message-Forum (considering he started this one), He's been around a while and gotten to know people better, hence has a better understanding of the general feelings of forum members, and he is also about a year older than me (I think). And, despite my irrepressible lust for evil, I am a very good and kind person, and I consider other people's feelings before my own as a standard.

2) The Guild wouldn't really be going official, because it would be like it is now, a Guild in a miscellaneous section, only it will have multiple threads instead of one. And besides, I can do my best to keep up with the important things, if you don't feel like it. I find I spend a little too much time on TTF, and doing something useful is better than posting like there's no tomarrow. I just really want multiple threads, and now I can get it super-easy. Win win situation from my point of view.

3) YayGollum, you're the Guild Master of the Guild of Outcasts? News to me.

[Khôr’nagan]

Okay, BIG change of plans. We're not merging. Apparently, the idea is very, very widely disliked. Who'd have thought?:rolleyes:

So, I must now do my best to 'majorize' this guild without that help. I am temporarily transforming my Signature into an advertisement for it. However, I must first of a name. I have begun to lean towards a name in English instead of a Tolkienien language. So I now ask, what's the best, coolest name (must be evil) that you can think of? POST IT! "The name is the most important part of the project. I cannot emphasize this enough. Alice, are you getting this all on tape?" - Pointy-Haired Boss, 'Dilbert' the TV Show

[Khôr’nagan]

Sorry, don't mean to triple post, but... What happened to post counts? They're not desplayed anymore... And why do I have a feeling that I have something to do with it? Very odd, very odd indeed.....

EDIT: By any chance, am I the only one who can't see post-counts anymore? I bet a Moderator could do something like that really easily. But I no longer see any post counts, not even mine. And even when I look in the member's list, all it says is 'not shown' where the post numbers are supposed to be.

[YayGollum]

You don't have anything to do with it as far as I know. They were talking about getting rid of it in a couple of places. I think that it's just a trial run type of thing to see if it'll help with spam type things. Anyways, I shall now think of names. Yay for Dilbert! I have been compared to Catbert plenty of times. Also, what's wrong with sticking more than one thread for us in this place? just point out that it has to do with this guild. oh well. Also, also, the beorn person is not the one who started this place.

Most importantly ---> Ick! Who put that sickening title in front of my name? I do not like titles. Can't people just say that I started the place? Or at least that I'm the head of the Illustrious Guild Of Outcasts?

[Khôr’nagan]

Okay, okay, sorry for giving you a title.

And about more threads, I don't think we're supposed to do that. But besides, it wouldn't be the same as having a true major guild.

Trial, huh? But why can't I see my own count? I typically like to keep track of it, as well as my posts per day (which was about 4.3). I only mentioned it because I had just posted about using post-counts to determine credibility, and all the sudden there aren't any post counts. Coincidence, I guess.

And yes, keep thinking of names! Evil Guild is so dull and boring, almost to the extent of Frodo and Elf persons. ;)

[YayGollum]

When the guild of Outcasts was in this section, we made plenty of threads and no one got mad about it. Have fun. Start as many as you want. Anyways, you can still see how many posts you have if you look at your little profile thing, then hit some little thing to show all of your previous posts.

[Khôr’nagan]

Can't anyone check anyone's post-count that way, then?

Anyway, I guess I could open new threads about this. I'll think about what they should entale (suggestions would be nice). Still, I definitely want to become a major guild at some point.

[Roilya]

i would like to join this guild. i know my name is estel meaning hope, but evil can come from hope. and besides i made this account before i had my true name. Roilya, im done babbling.

[BlackCaptain]

Haha welcome aboard Estel. Although hope is never once used for evil, we'll let you in and trust that your evil.

For future refference, you dont need to ask permission to join. Just hop righton in.

[Roilya]

oh well thx for saying i officially joined, i dont know if u talked about this already but who is ur favorite evil person in tolkiens books?

[Sarah]

Smaug!

[YayGollum]

Sure, anyone can still find out what anyone else's post count thing is. Easy. It's just not under everyone's name anymore to stop evil people from that spamming offense, I guess. Anyways, who is my favorite evil type person? Hm. I have favorites, but I don't like to call them evil. Are there any undeniably and completely evil characters? No, I can't think of any. oh well. I'll just go for poor Smeagol since most like to call him evil.

[Roilya]

i wouldnt call smeagol evil, its not his fault he was corrupted by the ring, and i agree he is a hero of lotr, their all lucky smeagol found it and took it deep in the mountains. if he didnt it could have been found by sauron or one of his minions. my favorite evil person is Melkor.

[YayGollum]

Yay for Smeagol Fans! Anyways, yes, Mel is another one of my favorites. He wouldn't have ended up so evil if Varda wasn't so evil to him in the first place, though. Hmph.

[Khôr’nagan]

Sorry for my belated response, but I have been held up with homework. So, Welcome, Estel. Glad you joined. I added you last night (about 24 hours ago), but my post was cut off when my computer crashed.

So, indeed yes for Smeagol fans. Too few of us yet dwell in this world, which is a very sad thing. But lo! Another who thinks not of Smeagol an evil thing! Now, as for my favorite evil person... I'd have to say Morgoth, followed very closely by Sauron, then the Witch-King. The only reason I might have made Sauron first would be the fighting, like in FotR prologue (movie). And, the only picture that depicts Morgoth as cool (that I know of) is this one (http://www.devir.com.br/senhor_aneis/imgs/history_middleearth03g.jpg). All the others make him look like an oversized Troll, and in my opinion stupid, even if he does look evil. That picture is (one of) the cover(s) of The Lays of Beleriand, and it depicts Morgoth dueling Fingolfin (and that just so happens to be one of my favorite parts of all LotR). In the movies, Sauron looks like Morgoth did in that picture, and I thus have a strong inclination towards Sauron, because he's just so darn cool. The Witch-King is, well, the Witch King. He is the coolest of all the wraiths by far, and I just cannot express my undying respect for his character. But, like I said, Morgoth come in first, and all because of that one picture...

So moving on, can we please think of names, in English (or perhaps Latin or others), for this Guild? Any and all Ideas are welcome! I just came up with this stuff:

Latin Word------------------------English Meaning

congregatio------------------------society, assembly
congrego---------------------------to assemble, gather
domus------------------------------home, house, abode
maleficus--------------------------wicked, accursed, evil
sodalitas---------------------------fellowship, secret society

Malefico Sodalitas---------------Society of Evil
Domus Malefico------------------House of Evil, Abode of Evil, Evil’s Abode
Domus Maleficus----------------Evil Abode

And, though I know they're not top notch, it's a good example of what I mean; if something close to "Evil Guild" sounds/looks in a way that people would know what it means, (like maleficus is noticably similar to "malice"). So if anyone get's any idea's, they are welcome. And, all though I'd prefer not have an elvish name (questions might arise as to why an evil guild names itself in the 'good' elvish language), if you have any good ideas, feel free to post them.

[spirit]

am i evil enough to join?...hmm

i thiks so!
:)
that is if u all dont mind :)

[Roilya]

i like domus malefico, and since u dont want to do it in elvish maybe we could do it in orcish, or maybe in entish

[Sarah]

...oh

*just realized from those latin words the origin of Malfoy's name in Harry Potter*

[Khôr’nagan]

Originally posted by Estel
i like domus malefico, and since u dont want to do it in elvish maybe we could do it in orcish, or maybe in entish What I meant was that I would prefer not Tolkien languages, and that is because they are not as complete as real-world languages. Orkish, Entish, and all those languages are even less complete, and thus would have fewer things to work with when making a name. However, I did not mean to give the message "No Elvish Names." My intent was for people to think about English as well, and not focus specifically on Elvish. However, please feel free to make and post Elvish, Orkish, Entish, etc. that you may come up with. Just don't limit yourself to Tolkien's languages.

Of course you may join, spirit. Welcome :) I will add your name to the Members List momentarily.

And yes, Sarah, I have considered that connection, as well as the relationship between 'Lucius' and 'Lucifer,' the latter being a name of the Devil. I have also analysed the name 'Voldomort' using latin, though the best I can come up with is volo, "I want," and mors, mortis, "death."

[YayGollum]

Remnants Of Evil is all I have right now. None of those Latin things work for me. A couple of those old Orc sounding things were better, but oh well.

[Roilya]

i said entish as a joke we couldnt post an entish name on here. i agree that it shouldnt be a tolkien word too, but there might be some exceptions. i like the latin idea because there are really no other cool languages in my oppinon.

[Khôr’nagan]

Well, I've got some news: The Dark Legion may be returning.

Private Message removed by ithrynluin

What do people here think?

[Scatha]

Khor, where do you get the nerve of posting a PM on the boards?
Even more so without even asking my approval for it?

[BlackCaptain]

He's just evil like that:rolleyes:

Haha lets not have another one of those.. k Khor?

[Khôr’nagan]

Huh what? :o Is there a rule against that!? (I guess there doesn't have to be...) Dang! Sorry... :( I just wanted to give the context. I didn't mean to be evil like that... Sorry. Well, best way's the hard way in learning. Won't do that again. Okay, so the message I was trying to get across is that The Dark Legion may be returning. Any suggestions as to the most prudent course of action? The most evil thing to do would be to sabatage it, :rolleyes: but I think that's out of the question.

[Roilya]

im pretty new here what is the dark legion?

[Khôr’nagan]

Estel, the Dark Legion was a Major Guild that moved off these boards something like 5 months ago. I myself only joined 2 months ago, and thus know very little about the Dark Legion other than it was the center of RP games for evil characters. Theoretically, even though the purpose of this Guild is different, the Dark Legion would wipe it off the charts. From what I've seen of the Dark Legion, the only thing they did was play RP games. Therefore, since the activities of the two guilds are different, it may be possible to co-exist in some way, though I know not how. Having the Dark Legion return would mean a major Evil Guild, and thus this guild might be overlooked.

For more information about the Dark Legion, consult the Archives of Guilds and Societies. The entire Dark Legion is there in archived form.

[YayGollum]

The Dork Legion, as I like to call it, was pretty much an evil guild for the R.P.G. type things when they were over here. It moved to that R.P.G. type website thing and now I'm guessing that they'll bring it back for some reason. I didn't get to see the P.M. thing. Look at the link to the R.P.G. type website thing, then look at the Dork Legion there to see what types of things go on in there. Anyways, I would think that if that place showed up here, there would be no use for this place.

[Khôr’nagan]

My thinking exactly, YayGollum, as well as my fear. I do not want to lose what I have achieved thus far to a place that would not meet the standards that I would have here. There would be no discussions of evil things, no debates, no games-- Just RPG's. It wouldn't be right for the Dark Legion to return now after all that is now underway. I have not the interest of others in RPGing, and I see very little that it would contribute to TTF in comparison to what I would have this Guild be. I am almost tempted to protest its return, though I am almost certain it would be of no avail.

[Gandalf White]

I was wondering if I could join this guild, and together we may find a way to survive the onslaught of the Dark Legion, against whom few can stand. :)

[BlackCaptain]

I'm afraid I'd be torn between sides:rolleyes: . I'm a member of the DL and Here, so I guess we might just merge the two eventually or sometlhing...

[Khôr’nagan]

Yes, BlackCaptain... I have seen your little discussion on wearing black (or in your case navy) shorts. :D It was a very interesting conversation...

Indeed, Gandalf White, you may certainly join. All help will be required for survival. ;) I will add you to the Members List.

[Roilya]

this news of the dark legion saddens me, for my heart has taken a liking to this guild. Khor if you decide to protest i will be right there behind you to protest.

ive looked at the archives. and i agree that it will be tough to beat them if they do return. they have a lot of good topics(threads). if we are to win(or whatever you wanna call it) we will need to get out of the other guilds and societies page, and on to the main page. and some more members wouldnt hurt. just my oppinion

[Khôr’nagan]

An opinion which I share. I would rather not merge, but that's just because I'd rather keep the guild independent. I'm not exactly sure what to do next....

[Roilya]

do we even know for sure that they are returning? i am working on trying to get my friend to come to this board. maybe we should focus on recruiting, and corrupting minds to think this is the better guild(which it is).

[Khôr’nagan]

Such deeds will only succeed through long, hard work and labour
But now that we are in need, we must now rise in favour.
For if we're to win this fight, we must grow greater in strength
We'll win this cause, however slight, though the time be of great length
Before success is for sure. We'll not fail, but persevere!
Great must be our bait, our lure, that it shall make void all fear!
Evil is as Evil does, though Evil now's not what it was
In days far passed long ago when wicked things went to and fro.
Proof of ourselves we must show! Demonstrate all that we know!
And then when push comes to shove, perhaps we'll be the ones above!

[Roilya]

*wipes a tear from his eye*

[YayGollum]

Come up with some use for this place that the Dork Legion has had nothing to do with. Make sure that this place is achingly unique if you want to keep things independent. I'm thinking that having fun in the Dork Legion if it shows up wouldn't be too bad for you, though. Haven't they had normal discussions about evil type things from Tolkien type books? Or was it only R.P.G. type things? I forget. oh well. Toss diversity into the place if you want to. It's too popular for me.

[Kahmûl]

I would like to join if new members are still needed.

[Khôr’nagan]

Of course, Kahmul! Welcome! I shall add your name to the Members List in a moment. As for uniqueness, I completely agree. I have yet to thuroughly explore the Dark Legion, though I shall probably do so soon, and get back with Ideas. As for Estel, what can I say... I've just got a flare for poetry. :D

[Khôr’nagan]

Interesting... Looks like the Dark Legion was almost completely RPG-based. I saw only two threads (out of 13) that were non-RPG based. They concerned "Evil's Greatest Moment" and "What Is Truly Evil?" Fairly generic topics. Therefore, almost any activity we do would be different from them. That certainly makes our endevour a whole lot easier.

I now have an idea (Inspired by YayGollum): How about we start another thread? We shall have that thread (and perhaps more) made solely for a specificly defined purpose (decided here). They will all be in the Other Guilds section, though they will have "Evil Guild:" prefixed to the names in order to more easily distinguish. What say you all?

[Holdwine]

I would like to join the evil guild because i think it will suit me well

[Roilya]

Great idea khor, and i also came up with an idea its not a good one but i think we should try to beat the dark legion at their own game, still have the topics and stuff we want to have but have another thread that is for rpgs, connected to this guild(not to the dark legions). i will take a look in the archives and see if i can get a list of rules and maybe some complaints agianst these rules, so if we make this rpg section, more people will come here for the better setup.

[Khôr’nagan]

Yes, The 3rd Maiar, you may join. You will be added to the Members List shortly.

Estel, I have no objections to doing an RPG, but I must confess that I have absolutely no knowledge of anything in that area. I have never participated in an RPG online in any way whatsoever, and I would be of very little help. Neither do I currently have the time to partake in an online RPG, what with my loads of homework and countless plans. I have hardly the time to come on TTF at all, and I am almost always online late at night (It's 7:41 PM here, and I'm usually on anytime from 8:00 PM to 6:00 AM). Therefore, do what you will. I think RPG's might make this Guild more prominent, and more enjoyable for its members. So, go right on ahead. And good luck!

[Roilya]

i was hoping maybe black captain may aid me in this task, or anybody with rp knowledge. seeing he is experienced in this type of thing. i am not that experienced but it is worth trying. i will put my idea in better terms than the other post. my idea is if we make a pretty decent rpg for us evil people, maybe people would dislike the idea of the dl returning. ok ive restated my idea. i was also thinking based on yaygollums great idea of the new threads, we make a thread called, The Evil Guild: RPG. and put the rpg stuff on there.

[Khôr’nagan]

Well, I understood what you meant, and it's okay with me. You can go right on ahead and make a thread (whenever you're ready). I'll do some research and try to help out, but like I said, it might not be much.

[Roilya]

umm, i dont think you can have rps on this froum, most are on the merpg.

[Gandalf White]

Yeah, I was about to say that. Although it wouldn't be bad to have a foothold in MERPG's as well.

All that an RPG really needs is a loose, logical story line to follow. (Which is a shame, I'd rather have more in-depth action, such as two level-5 orcs charging a level-7 assassin, with HP's, attacks, and defense....but oh well..)

[Khôr’nagan]

RPG's aren't allowed on TTF? I did not know that. I knew that MERPG was for RPG's and that many TTF RPG's were moving there, but I thought that new RPG's were still allowed here. What's more, if the Dark Legion is returning, wouldn't that mean RPG's would also be returning? I had assumed the reason why the Dark Legion had closed down was because RPG's were moving and they were running RPG's, so they moved, too. Is that not so? I am honestly confused. :confused:

Well, in the case that the RPG must be on MERPG, then I must now go and check it out more extensively.

[Khôr’nagan]

AI! The Dark Legion returns not! It is final! Victory!

Turns out there was a lot of opposition for the move that I was unaware of. There was a thread about it in What's News, and it turns out that Webmaster has decided against it, 48 hours ago, too! He posted over on the MERPG site. This is the Thread it was in (http://www.middleearthrpg.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=420&perpage=40&pagenumber=1) if you want to see it. YES! I have spent the past few hours over there, during which time I actually joined (user name: Aranaug), and explored much more of the layout than I had previously known. We can, of course, still start RPG's and all (over there, I guess), we just don't need to worry about competition here on TTF anymore. Man... Scatha really caused a stir by telling me The Dark Legion might return, but he was, of course, only being helpful. Well, now that this scare is over, we can move on!

Okay, so the New Thread... What shall it be? As it is my understanding that the RPG will be on MERPG, there must be another topic... But what will it be? Input would be very helpful!

[BlackCaptain]

Hahah I can see you were very enthusiastic about this!

Anywhoo I'm sick and off to bed...maybe my dreams'll give me some ideas haha

[Roilya]

this news pleases me. now that there is no need for a rp i think i wont start one. but anyone else can if they want to. im not sure what the new thread shall be either, but i will think about it.

[Talierin]

I was talking to WM tonight about your guild and possibly sticking it up on the main page, and he wants to know what you all want! So lemme know! One thing he did mention that if it does go on the main page, it definitely needs a cooler name than "The Evil Guild" ;)

[spirit]

main page! that would probs be aesier to get to:D :D :D :D

[Holdwine]

that would be kewl to be on the main page and if we do get on there i think we should change the name to something in orkish

[Roilya]

i liked the whole latin thing khornagan had goin on.

[BlackCaptain]

We were thinking:

Noss en Daebar

meaning 'Clan of the Shadow Dwelling'.

I think Khor had some other ideas... but I can't really remember

[Roilya]

yeah i was reading the second page of this thread and i like the burgothi one.

[Khôr’nagan]

Okay, so I've gone back and found all the names suggested by people, and they are given here in full:

The Evil Guild

The Dark Scholars

Noss en daebar (Clan of the Shadow Dwelling)

Istumeanati (Knowers of evil-things)

EVIL "Every Villain Is Lemons"

Búrdurubi (Dark Rulers)

Búrgothi (Dark Lords)

Búrgûlimaz (Dark Throne)

Dúrbug’mógi (Ruling Voices)

Búrgûl-hâi (Shadow-Folk)

Malefico Sodalitas (Society of Evil)

Domus Malefico (House of Evil, Evil’s Abode)

Domus Maleficus (Evil Abode)

Remnants Of Evil

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Now, unless there are any more suggestions, let the voting begin!

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I vote for: Domus Malefico (Evil's Abode)

[Roilya]

as do i

[Sarah]

Noss en Daebar

[BlackCaptain]

I myself actually like Istumeanati. That seems really cool.. to me anyways. I could really picture it in the Guild Hall main page.

[Khôr’nagan]

Okay, so:

1 Vote Noss en daebar (Clan of the Shadow Dwelling)

1 Vote Istumeanati (Knowers of evil-things)


2 Votes Domus Malefico (Evil's Abode)

I myself lean more towards having "Evil's Abode" than "Domus Malefico," though I will only worry about that if it wins. I would not mind having Istumeanati either, though at the least it can be some sort of council or other organization within the Guild. Now, let the voting continue!

[YayGollum]

Remnants Of Evil! Or that Noss En Whatever Else Thing. It sounds better than the others.

[Khôr’nagan]

Okay, so how should I take that? No double-voting.

[YayGollum]

Well, whichever it'll help out the most, of course. If twenty-seven thousand people suddenly show up to vote for Remnants Of Evil, that's what I wanted. :rolleyes: Okay, fine. I shall anticipate things and