Venturers: Gondolin falling without Tuor?

[Nóm]

How do you imagine Gondolin might have fallen if Tuor had not made it there?

Do you think there is a chance Maeglin, with his following, however small that might have been, would have tried something nasty? We know he liked to have power, might he have eventually tried to get rid of Turgon in some 'acccident' and contest with Idril over the rule of Gondolin? Idril distrusted him, and would surely not agree to him ruling, but a lot of people in Gondolin did like Maeglin... might he have reached the top and then taken actions to cause kinslaying there, or in trying to reach the topic have divided the people of Gondolin against themselves somehow?

[Beleg]

That depends. I believe that in this case, Idril might have been taken, and I dont think any of the Gondolinrim would have escaped.

Do you think there is a chance Maeglin, with his following, however small that might have been, would have tried something nasty?

No I don't think so. I believe that he only really turned against the King after the coming of Tuor and the showering of favours upon him by the King. I believe that if he had acquired Idril he wouldn't have taken any step against the King. I don't believe that the Gondolindrim would have accepted him as their King if it leaked out that Meaglin was in anyway connected with the demise of the King.
I don't know if a lot of people liked him. Where is it stated?

[Nóm]

From 'Of Maeglin'
Thus all seemed well with the fortunes of Maeglin, who had risen to be mighty among the princes of the Noldor, and greatest save one in the most renowned of their realms. Yet he did not reveal his heart; and thought not all things went as he would he endured in silence, hiding his mind so that few could read it, unless it were Indril Celebrindal.

I don't believe that the Gondolindrim would have accepted him as their King if it leaked out that Meaglin was in anyway connected with the demise of the King.
That is why it would have to be an 'accident'.

That depends. I believe that in this case, Idril might have been taken, and I dont think any of the Gondolinrim would have escaped.
In which case?

No I don't think so. I believe that he only really turned against the King after the coming of Tuor and the showering of favours upon him by the King.
So, do you think that Maeglin never would have reached a point where he would do something hidious, if not for the coming of Tuor?

of Maeglin
But as the years passed still Maeglin watched and Idril, and waited, and his love turned to darkness in his heart. And he sought the more to have his will in other matters, shirking no toil or burden, if he might thereby have power.

And if so, do you have any ideas about how Gondolin might hav fallen if not for the coming of Tuor? Without Tuor, might orcs have taken Maeglin, and Maeglin have betrayed Gondolin to Morgoth?

[Beleg]

In which case?

In the case of Tuor not coming to Gondolin.

So, do you think that Maeglin never would have reached a point where he would do something hidious, if not for the coming of Tuor?


If he had, in some way or the other, succeeded in securing Idril's hand, then his inner malice would have made him to yearn for the highest seat. And then he would have a good chance too, since he would virtually be the King if the King dies.
But without him being married to Idril, I cant see him getting the throne even if succeeds in getting rid of Turgon and even ifhe was 'popular' [I still fail to see what mightiness has to do with public popularity] among the natives of Gondolin.

And if so, do you have any ideas about how Gondolin might hav fallen if not for the coming of Tuor? Without Tuor, might orcs have taken Maeglin, and Maeglin have betrayed Gondolin to Morgoth?

1. Utterly destroyed, I believe it were the premonations of danger and orders brought by Tuor that along with other thing, caused Idril to build the tunnel.
2. Orcs would have still taken him given the scenario. Would Maeglin have betrayed Gondolin? I believe as long as he thought that he had a chance of acquiring Idril he wouldnt have betrayed Gondolin, but if it was made clear to him that he didn't have snowballs chance in hell of marrying Gondolin and thus acquring her through legal means, then he might have betrayed Gondolin.
Offcourse a craving for the Kingship of Gondolin was also a great temption, but I can't think what he would rule after Gondolin was destroyed and captured?