Maiar's, those guys

[Anfauglith]

Who are the Maiar's really?? are they more powerfull than Sauron??. What can do a Maiar(like Saruman, Radagast or Gandalf)with the RING. Can they get all the power from it, or even more than Sauron. Just wondering.

[Talierin]

Sauron is a Maia......

[aragil]

Balrog's are maia. A lot of people think that Tom Bombadil and Goldberry are maia.

They were beings of lesser power created by Eru at the same time as he made the Valar, prior to making the world. I guess if you considered teh Valar to be gods, then the maia would be demigods, older than the earth, and immortal, with the ability to take on whatever form they wished.

[Greymantle]

And as for the Ring... any creature would be able to weild to to great effect, given the knowledge. At the time of the War of the Ring those best suited to it would presumably by the truly active Istari, Sauron, Galadriel, Elrond and Aragorn.... three of whom are Maia. But any creature could weild it.

[graen]

by the truly active Istari, Sauron, Galadriel, Elrond and Aragorn.... three of whom are Maia

Um...which 3 are Maia?

Sauron = corrupted Maia
Galadriel = elf
Elron = half-elf
Aragorn = human

Am I missing something?

[Beorn]

Maybe by truly active Istari, he meant Radagast & Gandalf. Radagast wasn't doing much, but he wasn't going against the cause of the Istari....

[Kementari]

Aragorn and Elrond both have Maiar-blood in them..........

[Greymantle]

I'm not remembering Elrond's geneology very well... wait, was Luthien the daughter of Thingol and Melian? Oh yes, now I get it... that explains Aragorn too. Hey, I just answered my own question.

[Dengen-Goroth]

Yes, imagine that both Numenor blood and maiar blood in that one. But the ring has one owner, Sauron, and in anothers hands it would corrupt and best them, and they would become Lords of Evil themselves.

[Kementari]

i knew it :D

[Melian]

How have I missed this discussion about my descend so far?!
Well,let me make it clear,in the words of a true Maia:
Eru-the supreme power of everything
Valar-the second mightiest beings
Maia-servants of the Valar.
In short,Maia are lesser in comparison to Valar,but superior to Eldar and Edain.
One more thing-in Middle-Earth we have some interesting Maia-race representatives:Melian,Sauron,the Eagles,the Balrogs,the Istari....am I omitting some?
As you see,they are different in appearance,but they have one thing in common-they are the most powerful creatures in ME.Therefore,in my opinion,The Ring would be most dangerous in their hands.

[Eonwe]

dwarves = Apple

That is interesting!

dwarves=Apple
Elves=Unix, Linux
Men=Windows
Ents=DOS (let's not be hasty)
Orcs=BeOS
Trolls=Windows XP
Eagles=Qnx

Speaking as a Maia (I stayed in Aman until the tiny people asked for my help, then I kicked Morgoth's butt) Maia in some cases seem to be similar to great men/elves and in some cases as great as Vala (well close, I like to think). There seems to be quite a range of abilities in the Maia ranks

[Melian]

Agreed,colleague!

[Eonwe]

Hey Melian what's the deal with that Elf you wed? A Maia not good enough for ya? I look pretty good in my armor huh? What's wrong with me?

Elwe Singollo Thingol etc. He was just an Elf and YOU HAD THE POWER!

What a girdle you had too!;)

[Talierin]

Ah yes, Apple is like dwarves. I agree with that. Steadfast and loyal. :D Even their users (proud to be one!) are rather dwarf-like. Fierce when they want to be, and incredibly loyal. heehee!

Melian--You didn't see this one probably because it was stuck in Bag End for the longest time until I moved it.

[Melian]

Eonwe,Walter and Talierin...Whom to begin with?
My Maia blood tells me:"Leave the poor beings to their humble happiness of talking to you and do not notice them."
But I've lived too long in ME to acquire some of your though manners...and I was tempted to reply.
Dear Eonwe,aren't there really any mirrors in your home?;)
Dear Walter,keep on trying my son,one day,with the blessings of the Valar,you may come to some enlightment!
Dear Tallierin,what is Bag End?:)

[Lantarion]

The Eagles of M-e were created by Manwe (I think), and a place was created in Beleriand for them to live (can't remember the name now).

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That's P.P.S (post post scriptum), Walter. :)

[Eonwe]

lotsa mirrors deary! OK I'm not gonna continue discussing that at the risk of... I'll leave you to your Elf hubby.

I don't think eagles were Maia. I mean ents weren't etc. Do you think? I mean really, Gwaihir as important as Melian?:rolleyes:

[Tuor]

Melian, are the Eagles really Maiar? fascinating.

[Melian]

Well,I must admit I can't clearly remember whether they were Maia,or created by Manwe,or whatever...I thought someone would correct my mistake(if there is some and if he or she is brave enogh:) ).
Eonwe,you are the first socially unskillful Maia I have ever heard of.How do you expect to impress a woman by making jokes about the husband she has chosen?!:D

[The Phony Pope]

I guess Elrond and Aragorn do have Maia blood in them, but it would be very distant, especially for Aragorn (who is extremely distantly related to Elrond).

Luthien and Beren had Dior who had Elwing as a daughter. Elwing married Earendil who then had Elrond and Elros, so Elrond would have quite a bit of Maia blood in him. Aragorn on the other hand, has hardly any

Elros had Vardamir, who had Tar-Amandil, who had Tar-Elendil. He had Silmarien, who then had Valandil. From him came the Lords of Adunie. From them came Earundur, who had Amandil, who then bore Elendil. Elendil's son was Isildur. Isildur had Valandil, who had Eldacar, who had Arantar, who then had Tarcil. Tarcil had Tarondor, who had Valandur, who had Elendur, who then bore Earendur. His son was Amlaith, who had a son named Beleg, who had Mallor, who bore Celepharn. Celepharn's son was Malvegil, who had Argeleb, who had Arveleg, who's son was Araphor. He then had Argeleb, who had Arvegil, who had Arveleg, who then had a son named Araval. Araval had Araphant, who bore Arvedui, who had a son named Aranarth. Aranarth had Arhael, who had Arunuir, who had Aravir, who then had Aragorn I. Aragorn had Araglas, whos son was Arahad. Aragost then had Aravorn (were nearing the end now folks), who had Arahad. His son was named Arassuil, who had Arathorn I, who had Argonui, who then had Arador. His son was Arathorn II, who then bore the Aragorn we all know and love.

So although Aragorn does have Maia blood, it is very, very distant.

This is on a subject which was talked about a while ago in this thread, and yes, I do have a lot of time on my hands.

[Eonwe]

Melian -- I am pretty good with my voice though! Hail Melian the Mighty! HAHA I could use some coaching, men are pigs:D

Phony Pope -- that was very good. However remember this! Legolas himself commented on how the line of Luthien never fails, and specifically talked about Aragorn in relation to Beren and Luthien. While I agree its been a while...

Arvedui died so strangely in the bay of Forochel (I think?), good thing he gave the ring of Felagund to the ice men.

[Gothmog]

Concerning Ents and Eagles.

there is a possibility that the first of the Eagles and Ents were indeed Maiar.

And Manwe said: O Kementari, eru hath spoken, saying: "Do then any of the valar suppose that I did not hear all the Song, even the least sound of the least voice? Behold! When the Children awake, then the thought of Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar, and they will go among the kelvar and the olvar, and some will dwell therein, and be held in reverence, and their just anger shall be feared.

The Silmarillion: Of Aule and Yavanna

To summon 'Spirits from afar' suggests from outside of Arda which would be more Ainur who on coming to Arda would then be Maiar.

This is not certain but is a definate possibility but would refer only to the very first of each type.

[Earnil]

I actually made a family tree type thing which shows how many of the elves and humans were linked in relation. But unfortunately I can't put it on the computer because it takes up about 4 or 6 A3 sheets of paper. It is quite big. And it lists all of the Aragorn's ancestors and relations.

[Melian]

Good God!Do your relatives know what you have undertaken?!They might be worried...

[Valar]

Do any of you guys thing that goldberry was a maia? She is the daughter of the river and all that, and Tom bombadil is a maia isn't he? Or is she just another 'spirit' like the ents?

[Aelin]

I don't think that goldberry or Tom are maiars. They are the pert of Arda, any maiar or valar has any power on them

[Durin's Bane]

Spirits from afar doesnt't necessairily mean that any of them is a maia, besides the first eagles were servants of Manve...
Goldberry is the riverdaughter, meaning that i don't think she is a maia.
Concerning Bombadil... I don't think that anyone really knows what he is...