Guild Merge ideas

[The_Swordmaster]

Well our Deputy Guildmaster (Aule) has brought up an idea in the GoE. The same idea was brought up here and in other places by another member of ours, YayGollum. The idea is to combind The Guild of Elves and the Guild of Dwarves, into one large guild that would house both Elves, Dwarves and others.

The working title for this guild idea is "The Children if Iluvatar". It would be one large guild broken into four sub-forums. One for the Elves, one for the Dwarves, one for Men and the last would be for others such as Hobbits, Ents etc.

Leadership

The Children of Iluvatar will be run by two equal Guildmasters, One from the GoD and one form GoE. And each sub-forum would have their own depty guildmaster. That would equal 6 total guild masters/deputy guildmaster. Those six will make a the "head council" for the guild. The council will make most of the decisions of the guild.

Purpose

The reason for this guild is mostly for learning and to fun with your favorite race. There will be innerguild debates, and disscusions. Lessons for Quenya, Khuzdul and Sinidarin would be held in the guild. Essay about your favorite race would be made. Some disscusions could be about dwarves and elves such as "Who is the real first born Elves or Dwarves" and other interrace debates and disscusions.

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The following is just a suggestion on how the guilds should merge. The above ideas were made by me, Dain. Aule, and Gamil Zirak.

Please post your opinion everyone.

[Kelonus]

This does seem interesting to do. What does GoD and GoE mean?

[The_Swordmaster]

GoD stands for the Guild of Dwarves and GoE stands for Guild of Elves. I hope that clears things up somewhat for you.

[Kelonus]

Oh ok, I see now. Like I said, it seems cool. I am an elf:)

[YayGollum]

No, you're a human. Anyways, sure, since I thought of the idea (even though someone else might have, too), why wouldn't I want it to happen? Sure, go ahead. The only thing I don't like about it is the subguild idea. Why waste so much space? Why not just stick all of the threads in one place and make titles that will make the subject of the discussion obvious?

[Kelonus]

What I meant was, I would be in the elves guild, but then again I may not participate depending how things go.

[YayGollum]

Yes, I knew what you meant. I was being evil and sarcastic. *hangs head in shame* oh well.

[The_Swordmaster]

Originally posted by Yaygollum

The only thing I don't like about it is the subguild idea. Why waste so much space? Why not just stick all of the threads in one place and make titles that will make the subject of the discussion obvious?

The sub-forum idea was to organize the guild effiently. An example of that can be found at the Guild of Tolkienology. It is not a seperate guild, it is just organization.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Let's do this! And the Elves... are they in on it as well?

Who would start up the Man section? And the Etc. section?

[YayGollum]

Doobedoobedoo... yes, I understand the idea of the little subguild type thing. I'm just not a fan of wasting the space. I see no need for it when people can figure things out with just one little area. oh well. Whatever you people decide. Have fun.

[Bethelarien]

As I am currently in charge of the Guild of Elves until Scatha's looked-for return, I will state our current feelings about this idea.

As people may (or may not) know, the GoE is run by a Guildmaster, a Deputy Guildmaster, and a Council, or the Calaquendi. There are, I believe, eight members of the council. The general feeling among those of us present is that this is, overall, a good idea.

My main concerns are as follows:

1) Leadership. Although Swordmaster has outlined well the plans for leadership, having three different Guildmasters could be very confusing. And which one will be moderator? I believe there can only be one, though no doubt someone will correct me if I'm wrong. This could cause some problems, and some possible hard feelings between guilds.

2) Organization. This also has been briefly addressed. The idea of subguilds is, I think, worth looking into. It would be much more organized than just having all the threads jumbled together. On the other hand, this will still give the guild a segragated feeling, which is what I think we are trying to get rid of.

3) Activity. This is important, as both GoE and GoD are having low activity rates. SM has suggested several things we can do within this new guild; however, with such low activity from our members, it will be difficult to get this off the ground.

4) Publicity. You may not think this a big issue, but it is. This is a huge change, and people may be interested in joining once they hear about this. Therefore, the merging of the guilds, if decided on, needs to be spread around to all members of TTF. We need to make sure that EVERYONE knows that they are welcome.

Also, a quick question. What races, other than Elves and Dwarves, are we talking about? SM, you mentioned six total guildmasters and deputy guildmasters. This confuses me. Could you expound on this, please?

Other than the above, I don't have any problems with it. However, I think the idea needs to be well-explored before it is implemented. And, of course, I am only the Deputy Guildmaster. As I have told the Guild of Elves, we cannot make a decision until Scatha's return, or at least until he pops in again.

So say I, Bethelarien the fearless. ;)

[The_Swordmaster]

Originally posted by Bethelarien

1) Leadership. Although Swordmaster has outlined well the plans for leadership, having three different Guildmasters could be very confusing. And which one will be moderator? I believe there can only be one, though no doubt someone will correct me if I'm wrong. This could cause some problems, and some possible hard feelings between guilds.

Beth I think you misread part of my original post. There would be two guildmasters. One would be Scatha and one would be Me. This I belive would make each former guildmaster not worry about losing any power. I hope that the two guildmasters would both become guild-mods. That means two guild-mods. This is also to make each former guild be equal in the merge. Also the 4 subforums would each have one deputy guildmaster. Then the 4 deputy guildmasters and the two Guildmasters would make a council similar to GoE's Council of Glorfindel.

2) Organization. This also has been briefly addressed. The idea of subguilds is, I think, worth looking into. It would be much more organized than just having all the threads jumbled together. On the other hand, this will still give the guild a segragated feeling, which is what I think we are trying to get rid of.

The guild would be organized into 4 subforums. 3 would goto the major races. One for dwarves, one for elves, and one for men. The fourth subforum would be for other races such as hobbits, ents and etc. This is purly for organization not to seperate the races.

3) Activity. This is important, as both GoE and GoD are having low activity rates. SM has suggested several things we can do within this new guild; however, with such low activity from our members, it will be difficult to get this off the ground.

Yes that is why we are combing member post in all threads. The lure would be greater for members to join for it will not only be about Elves, and Dwarves but also Men and others. This would increase membership, get new threads, more posts, and growth to the guild.

4) Publicity. You may not think this a big issue, but it is. This is a huge change, and people may be interested in joining once they hear about this. Therefore, the merging of the guilds, if decided on, needs to be spread around to all members of TTF. We need to make sure that EVERYONE knows that they are welcome.

I think when we do the merge a thread should be made about it in the Member Announcement forum. This would inform TTF and also at the same time generate publicity. Also members can put a link to the guild in their signatures. Also members can say what guild they belong to if they put the guild's name in their avatar.

4) Publicity. You may not think this a big issue, but it is. This is a huge change, and people may be interested in joining once they hear about this. Therefore, the merging of the guilds, if decided on, needs to be spread around to all members of TTF. We need to make sure that EVERYONE knows that they are welcome.

I think I mentioned this earlier in this post. If you have anymore questoins about it just tell me.

Other than the above, I don't have any problems with it. However, I think the idea needs to be well-explored before it is implemented. And, of course, I am only the Deputy Guildmaster. As I have told the Guild of Elves, we cannot make a decision until Scatha's return, or at least until he pops in again.

Yes when is Scatha planning to return to TTF. I think he would be in shock of what happened since he left. We also can't get to far into planning until he comes back and posts his opinion on this matter.

Anymore questons or comments about this topic?

[Bethelarien]

SM, thank you for answering my questions. It makes much more sense now, and I think it will work quite well.

Unfortunately, I have no clue as to when Scatha will be back online. However, I can try to email him, if you wish.

[Aulë]

ithrynluin has told me that it will be possible to make both Scatha and Swordmaster Mods of the new Guild.

Now, how about choosing people to be the 'heads' of the sub-Guilds?

eg,
Elves - Beth
Dwarves - Gamil Zirak
Men - YayG
Hobbits/Ents - Rasec

And then the rankings?
And the groups?

Or should we not bother (as YayG suggests)? And just have a High Council to make the decisions (GoD and GoE councils combined)

[Bethelarien]

With such a large group, I think ranking would be superfluous. I think as long a people know who the coucil is, that should be enough.

And thanks, Aule, for finding that out for us.

[Aulë]

So the Children of Ilúvatar High Council shall be:

The Swordmaster (GM)
Scatha (GM)
Anamatar IV
Aule
Bethelarien
Dain Ironfoot I
Eol
Gamil Zirak
Glorfindel1187
Phenix
Rasec
YayGollum


That's a lot of people ;)
Oh well, I don't think the size matters too much... :)

And the Member List

Lossenandunewen
Angoreth
Peacemaker
Ledreanne313
Lady Arwen
#1 Legolas #1
Lossengondiel
Lantalasse
Ordanalys
Samjor
Tari Seregon
Silven Asassin
Nefmariel
Isal Celebalda
Ramagna
Evenstar373
Omnipotent Elf
ElvishHellion
Lasgalen
Elf Goddess
Nevavarein
Glorfindel's Gal
Wonko the Sane
Farin
greypilgrim
Seraph
Beleg
Gloin
Dwarf Lord
munchkin
krash8765
Orclord1990
Johnson
Liv
Aragon'scool

To Be Decided:
True_Twilight_
Lady Legolas
selwehall
Galadwen
elvenprincess13
Yavanna
Eilana
Estel
Khôr’nagan
Sahnaz
Lord Gil-galad

[Bethelarien]

I was under the impression that just the Guildmasters & Deputy Guildmasters would make up the council.

Maybe each subguild could have a small council? Or would that be too complicated?

[YayGollum]

Ick. I'd rather not have anything to do with any authority or responsibility. Give my opinion just as much weight as any normal person. I would not want anyone to pay more attention to me just because I have some little title tossed at me. just like I wouldn't give some other person with authority any more weight than I'd toss at the normal person.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I dont see the reason for a High Council.. I think two GM's and four deputys should be enough. My idea for a council would be an open member council, where everyone has a say.

For MERPG, I think the same thing, except members would address the council (consisting of Gms and deputies) IC.

[The_Swordmaster]

posted by Aule

Now, how about choosing people to be the 'heads' of the sub-Guilds?

eg,
Elves - Beth
Dwarves - Gamil Zirak
Men - YayG
Hobbits/Ents - Rasec

And then the rankings?
And the groups?

Or should we not bother (as YayG suggests)? And just have a High Council to make the decisions (GoD and GoE councils combined)

Well let's deicde who will be the deputy guild masters yet. Since we don't know who would be willing to serve and who wouldn't want to serve. I also think we shouldn't have ranks since we have alot of members and it really shouldn't be needed.

So the Children of Ilúvatar High Council shall be:

The Swordmaster (GM)
Scatha (GM)
Anamatar IV
Aule
Bethelarien
Dain Ironfoot I
Eol
Gamil Zirak
Glorfindel1187
Phenix
Rasec
YayGollum


Aule I thought we were gonna have the two guildmasters and the four deputy guildmasters would make up the council. Also the list you made has to many GoE members if we wanted the council to be even.

[Khôr’nagan]

Well, I have a few questions:
1) In the sub-guilds, would each guild be a single thread or a group of threads?

2) I am the Guild-Master (With BlackCaptain) of (what is currently titled) The Evil Guild. I have been hoping to expand it into multiple threads, but I would need more members, first. I posted about all this in my Guild and YayGollum (who is a member) told me about this thread about merging. I am, however, wondering why there is no mention of any Evil-based guilds ever since the Dark Legion closed down. I think that the merging is a great idea, but if each sub-guild is only one thread, then I would not wish to have the guild join it as a sub-guild. I have only today begun thinking of publicity for my guild, and this merging offers a lot of opportunity for more members. Were I to be the Deputy of Misc. Guilds (as YayGollum suggested), I would be required to participate in all of the sub-guilds, and I'm not prepared to do so. Therefore, my question is this: What options are there for me, and what possibilities are there of my guild being a major guild? Because there is no guild evil-based, and so much of middle-earth is evil.

3) Were my guild to become a Major Guild (as I hope it eventually will), I would not want to be in any inter-guild council necessarily, though possibly. I just want a Major guild about the Evil things of middle earth, and I am shocked that I had to start one in order to have one. Evil things occupy so much of MMiddle-Earth, and yet they have a very minor role in the TTF hierarchy. I ask now: Why is that?

So, that is my input. I would appreciate a response as quick as may be, as I am very busy and have much homework to do.

[Aulë]

If you look in the Guild of Tolkienology, you will see that the sub-Guilds are a group of threads.

I suppose that we could possibly have a 5th sub-Guild...(An Evil one). I was speaking to Nóm the other day, and she was saying that Orcs, Nazgúl, Black Númenoreans and Trolls could be considered 'Children of Ilúvatar', so that could work. But Balrogs and Dragons....I'm not sure.

If you were included in the CoI, you would not be forced to participate in any particular sub-Guild, so if you wished, you could restrict all your activity to your sub-Guild.

[Beleg]

Since I don't support the merger [It is inevitable I believe but a person has the right to have his own views] I would like to leave this Guild. I wasn't much use anyway, so I guess it won't hit hard. Anyway, thanks folks for the time spent here, it was fun in some aspects.

[YayGollum]

What was the problem with the idea, if you're still paying enough attention to read this? oh well. Let me see here. I'm not a huge expert on where dragons came from, but weren't both of those just things that Mel corrupted? If you're going to include Orcs, include those other two. The big and scary Eru guy made everything to begin with. Mel just corrupted them. oh well. Ack! Five little sections now? *collapses* :rolleyes:

[Nóm]

I was speaking to Nóm the other day, and she was saying that Orcs, Nazgúl, Black Númenoreans and Trolls could be considered 'Children of Ilúvatar', so that could work. But Balrogs and Dragons....I'm not sure.


But I only recall you asking me about orcs?

Balrogs? No. They are Maiar.
Dragons? No
Numenoreans? You bet! They are men.
Trolls? Nay.



Orcs? Only if you beleive some or all of them are currupted from men and/or elves, and consider this enough to make them Children of Iluvatar. That is, if they are currupted men/elves they may be redeemed in the end, however if they are men and elves but beyond depemption then they may not be considered Children of Iluvatar anymore. Men and Elves are the only Children of Iluvatar (Eruhini). What orcs are is never stated clearly and finally. I tend to think some where Maiar, and most were men (maybe with some elves tossed in too?) and I hope they may be redeemed in the end but this does not mean they will be. So while one may believe they are technically Children of Eru, it can not be denied they were won and became Morgoth's... at least for their time in Arda. I would not call orcs Children of Iluvatar myself, nor would I advise anyone else do so in anything official such as for a guild title. Melkorohini is said to be what elves called them, that means 'children of Melkor' but Tolkien points out that the wise elves said 'slaves of Melkor', because Melkor had no Children.


Why not 'Races of Middle-earth'?

[Khôr’nagan]

I knew that the GoT has multi-thread subguilds, but those are the only ones I know of. But, as they are Multi-threads, I would be fine (for the time being) with just being a subguild, and to wait until there are more members to think about expanding. Thus, I am perfectly fine with the merge, and I am also fine with my guild being included. Thank you very much! :)

As for the corrupted peoples, couldn't the sub-guild of the evil things just be named something like "The Corrupted Ones" or something to that effect? Because they were supposedly (some) children of Iluvatar, though they were later corrupted. One thing that I would wish, however, is that all things evil be exclusively in that guild, such as not having Black Numenoreans in the Men guild. Sure, they could talk about it... But I really want a central area for the evil things, all evil things. For my 2 months here I have wanted nothing less, and I don't see any reasons against it.

EDIT: Also, I would not mind being a leader of the miscellanious section, but BlackCaptain should also have an opportunity of being the leader.

[Anamatar IV]

Originally posted by Khôr’nagan
Because they were supposedly (some) children of Iluvatar, though they were later corrupted. One thing that I would wish, however, is that all things evil be exclusively in that guild, such as not having Black Numenoreans in the Men guild. Sure, they could talk about it... But I really want a central area for the evil things, all evil things. For my 2 months here I have wanted nothing less, and I don't see any reasons against it.


But they wouldn't be called Black Numenoreans if they didn't have some Numenorean culture. And what else is there to be in the mannish section aside from the Numenoreans? That's what I'm most looking forward to in this guild...thing. Who needs those stinky Rohirrim...all they're good for is tempering the mud for the pigs!:p

[Khôr’nagan]

Yes, yes, and I know that. I said that they could talk about them and stuff, but I said that the guild of evil things should also talk about them. I didn't mean that the Mannish Guild wouldn't have much on them, I meant that I wanted Black Numenoreans in the evil guild as well. I wasn't clear about that, I now see, and for that I'm sorry. But now it's all cleared up. Okay?

[Bethelarien]

Originally posted by The_Swordmaster
Well let's deicde who will be the deputy guild masters yet. Since we don't know who would be willing to serve and who wouldn't want to serve. I also think we shouldn't have ranks since we have alot of members and it really shouldn't be needed.


My thoughts on this are simply that the deputy guildmasters (i.e. myself) should remain so. Simply because we are merging guilds doesn't mean we have to rearrange the whole hierarchy. Since the GoE already has a Deputy Guildmaster, it would (in my opinion) be easiest just to leave that as it is.

For those guilds who do not have a DGM, one of the most active members could be selected. Or, there will only be two guildmasters, the previous guildmaster of the guilds without deputy guildmasters could be the deputy guildmaster of that subguild.

OK....that was really confusing....erm...sorry.

Speaking of hierarchy, will each of the subguilds have its own ranking system, or will the guild have a single system? Or both?

[Khôr’nagan]

Wow, great questions... Things that I myself wouldn't mind knowing *hint hint hint*

[Scatha]

First of all, why not run a poll in regards of what we aim to do here, to see how the members feel about it?

Leadership:
The idea of having two guildmasters will work, including having the deputy guildmasters make up the rest of the newly to be formed Council. (not more, but not less)

There is one issue i'd like to address, which is the number of races. Too much is overkill and will cause chaos. I suggest sticking to "Illuvatar's Children".

For those that didn't notice yet, yeppers, the elf is back. ;)

[Khôr’nagan]

Scatha, if by only Iluvatar's children you mean no Evil Guild, then why? A single guild about the Evil things of Arda isn't that chaotic. And I'm talking about sub-guild in the Misc. Section, not the Major section with Elves and Men and all... And besides, technically speaking, only having Iluvatar's Children means no Dwarves, and that's not such a good thing to suggest in a Guild full of them.:rolleyes: Well anyway, did you mean that you didn't want any Evil Guild in the main section, or no Evil Guild at all? Because none at all just doesn't make sense to me. Why wouldn't people want a central place for Evil things? It would be the perfect place to go if you needed information, because you'd have tons of experts waiting to help. Why wouldn't an Evil Guild be good to have, even in the Major Section? Are Dwarves and Elves and Men really anything at all without Evil to oppose them? No, they are not. The Lord of the Rings is centered on Evil, and yet would you deny its presence and/or validity? Personally, I'd think people would be asking more questions about Evil than otherwise, because there's less information for Evil things than there is for Good things.

And if I'm wrong and being over-presumptuous, then I sincerely apologize. But it does sound like your saying "no evil guild", and that really doesn't make any sense to me. I honestly don't understand why not.

[Aulë]

And besides, technically speaking, only having Iluvatar's Children means no Dwarves, and that's not such a good thing to suggest in a Guild full of them.

Khôr’nagan: Dwarves are considered the Adopted Children of Ilúvatar.

The Silmarillion: Of Aulë and Yavanna
But Ilúvatar spoke again and said: 'Even as I gave being to the thoughts of the Ainur at the beginning of the World, so now I have taken up thy desire and given to it a place therein; but in no other way will I amend thy handiwork, and as thou hast made it, so shall it be. But I will not suffer this: that these should come before the Firstborn of my design, nor that thy impatience should be rewarded. They shall sleep now in the darkness under stone, and shall not come forth until the Firstborn have awakened upon Earth; and until that time thou and they shall wait, though long it seem. But when the time comes I will awaken them, and they shall be to thee as children; and often strife shall arise between thine and mine, the children of my adoption and the children of my choice.'

Also, I have spoken to Beorn about this, and he has agreed to merge the Guilds once we have sorted out the minor bits and pieces. He also suggested a name other than 'The Guild of the Children of Ilúvatar' because of the double use of the words 'the' and 'of'.
Perhaps 'The Guild of Eruhíni'?

[Khôr’nagan]

Well, how about Erúmótûra (ee-room-oh-too-rah), meaning "The Eternal Toils of Ilúvatar" for a title? Or maybe Cársámalíneru (care-say-mah-leen-ee-roo), which means "The Makings of Eru’s Mind" would work better? I'll keep coming up with more... It's kind of fun.

[Bethelarien]

LOL, Khor. :D You crack me up.

Personally, though, I think we should keep it simple. I like Aule's idea of "Eruhini". But that's just poor ickle Bethy. ;)

[Gamil Zirak]

I'm not too keen on the idea of adding an evil/corrupted sub-forum. I think if we start expanding in such a way, we'll have umpteen million different sub-forums.

I also think it's a big counterproductive to the idea of the guild. Most elves and dwarves (which are the two main sub-forums) are not considered evil, but more on the "good" side of things. We need to keep the good either all evil or all good, not both.

That's just my five cents.

[The_Swordmaster]

First off I will start on my veiws with having evil in Children of Iluvatar. I really dont want to have an evil sub-forum in this guild for the following reasons.

1) I think evil shouldn't be inculeded in this guild because a large percent of evil is not Eru's children. All dark lords are Maiar and former valar. And a large portion of evil could not be included in this guild.

2) It would hurt the Evil Guild greatly if they can't talk about any Maiar, valar and the margarity of evil. I think the evil guild should ask a mod or WM to be considered as a major guild. TTF really needs one.

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I need to stress this fact with everyone. The new guild "Children of Iluvatar" is one guild. Not a group of guilds. It is only one guild broken up into 4 sub-forums not subguilds.

Posted by Beth.
My thoughts on this are simply that the deputy guildmasters (i.e. myself) should remain so. Simply because we are merging guilds doesn't mean we have to rearrange the whole hierarchy. Since the GoE already has a Deputy Guildmaster, it would (in my opinion) be easiest just to leave that as it is.

For those guilds who do not have a DGM, one of the most active members could be selected. Or, there will only be two guildmasters, the previous guildmaster of the guilds without deputy guildmasters could be the deputy guildmaster of that subguild.

Well Beth I was thinking that each of the two guilds could pick two deputy guildmasters. Let's say that GoD gets to pick the deputy guildmaster for the dwarves and men subforum. And GoE gets to pick two deputy guildmasters, one for the elves subforum and one for the other subforum. I hope that makes sense to everyone.

Also posted by Beth.
Speaking of hierarchy, will each of the subguilds have its own ranking system, or will the guild have a single system? Or both?

The subforums are forums for organization not to be a seperate guild. there for if we do have a ranking system it would be for the whole guild. I also don't think we need ranking anyway.

I like the name "Children of Iluvatar" best out of all the names. with out the "Guild of" in front.

[Khôr’nagan]

Oh, I see where you're going with this. Alright, no Evil-guild in the big guild. I'll just have to wait for a load of more members before being a major guild, but that's okay. As so many people are against it being in the merge, and that most evil things aren't Eru's children, it wouldn't make much sense to include evil things in the merge. Sorry for taking up your time:) Good luck with all this stuff.

[Gamil Zirak]

Thanks for understanding Khôr.

So all we need to decide is the structure of the new guild?

[Aulë]

Scatha: you need to PM Beorn with your confirmation of wishing to merge.

Structure:

|- Guild of Eruhíni
| |- Guild of Elves (Quendi?) (Eldalië?)
| |- Guild of Dwarves (Khazâd?) (Gonnhirrim?) (Naugrim?)
| |- Guild of Men (Atani?) (Apanónar?)
| |- (Need a good name for the 'Other' section)

Leaders:

Guildmasters:
-Scatha
-The_Swordmaster

Deputies:
-Gamil_Zirak (GoD)
-Beth (GoE)
-Aule (GoM)
-??? (Other) (Supplied by the GoE)

Council:
Everyone :D

We also need a sub-heading for out Guild on the main page.
Elves/Dwarves/Men are probably better than the other suggestions given, as they are self-explanitory to the lesser Tolkien-Scholars.

I presume there will be one big member list, rather than 4 small ones.

The rules shouldn't be too hard to merge.

[Scatha]

Ok, Aule, thanks for the heads up.

I'll also look within our guild for a suitable councilmember to take on the remaining sub-Guild.

[The_Swordmaster]

Posted by Aule.
I presume there will be one big member list, rather than 4 small ones.

Yes there will be one member list becasue this is one guild.

Posted by Aule.
Elves/Dwarves/Men are probably better than the other suggestions given, as they are self-explanitory to the lesser Tolkien-Scholars.

Well I think it would be better if we didn't the names in Sindarin or Quenya. Here are my suggestons for names.

First Born (elves)
Children of Aule (dwarves)
The Followers (men)
The rest (others)

I know the my name for the others forum is bad but it is all I can think of for now.

Posted by Aule.
Do you think we should ask for Beorn to merge the Guilds now, and 'fill in the gaps' afterwards?
Otherwise, we'll just be throwing ideas around for weeks until we are finally satisfied...

I do think we should wait on it untill we have everything settled. Because we still haven't even talk about the rules for CoI. Also Aule I do belive GoE's rules are much different than GoD's rules.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

How about for the Elves:
-Children of the Stars

Dwarves:
-Delvers of the Mountains

Men:
-Tamers of the Wilds

Others:
-Peoples of the Lands


Maybe it would be cooler if we stuck with the 'of the' thing. But its just a suggestion... I like it anyhow.

[Scatha]

I'd also like a separate forum to be opened for debates, whether inter-guild debates (tournament) or internally.

Just think of the possibilities. ;)


I rather like the suggestions for the guildnames, provided by Dain.

[Anamatar IV]

I like Dain's suggestions a lot...except for Tamers of the Wild. In my opinion, that doesn't very well describe the Men I read of.;)

How about People of the Short Lives or something to that effect? Something to lay out the special thing to Men is death.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

By tamers I was referring to Man's skill with horses, which is highlighted in Treebeard's song.

Hmmm... Walkers of the World?
Recievers of the Unknown?
I dont see whats wrong with Tamers of the Wilds.

And for Dwarves, do you like Delvers of the Depths or of the Mountains better? I like names a lot.

[Scatha]

Ok, the second deputy from within our guild has been decided upon. Eol will be filling our open spot.

[Gamil Zirak]

Originally posted by Dáin Ironfoot I
And for Dwarves, do you like Delvers of the Depths or of the Mountains better? I like names a lot.

I think Depths sounds better

[Scatha]

Nothing much seems to be happening at this moment. Is this merger still on the calendar??

[Bethelarien]

I was just wondering the same thing, my litte turtledove.

How about if we set a tenative time to do this, that way we know where we stand?

[Scatha]

I already PM-ed Beorn with my agreement for the merger, and suppose Swordmaster did the same?

The names of the 4 subguilds need to be decided on, preferrably sunday at the latest.

From coming monday 13th of October until the 22nd I shall be on vacation. During that period I will have no access to the internet.

When the subguilds are decided upon, the forums can be merged by Beorn or Webmaster.

[Bethelarien]

Good plan, Scatha.

I rather like Dain's suggestions as well. To reiterate them:

Elves: Children of the Stars

Dwarves: Delvers of the Mountains (I like Deeps better, myself)

Men: Tamers of the Wilds (I also like Walkers of the World about the same)

Others: Peoples of the Lands

And then we could have our debate forum.

[Scatha]

Originally posted by Bethelarien

Elves: Children of the Stars

Dwarves: Delvers of the Mountains (I like Deeps better, myself)

Men: Tamers of the Wilds (I also like Walkers of the World about the same)

Others: Peoples of the Lands

And then we could have our debate forum.


Children of the Stars
Delvers of the Depths
Walkers of the World
People of the Lands
Debate forum

These hold my preference.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Children of the Stars
Delvers of the Depths
Walkers of the World
People of the Lands
Debate forum

These hold my preference.
Quel coincidence! They hold mine as well! ;) (considering I suggested them...)

Hmm Debate Forum... you dont think we could think of a better name for that? The Halls of Arda... Eru's Dischords... hmm I have a lot of ideas. But perhaps Debate Forum is probably best- its simple, and everyone knows what it is.

[Aulë]

Do we really need a debate sub-forum?
I don't really see a use for it. There wouldn't be too many debates in a year, and you can always have the debate thread in the home sub-guild.

[Scatha]

Webmaster has given the go-ahead for the merger.

What we need to decide on are the names of the subforums, the name of the Guild itself (Children of Illuvatar) and a description of the guild.

I would like to see these done by sunday, as not to waste more time then needed.

Debateforum can also be made as a thread in "People of the Lands".

Aule, home subguild? The point is that the entire guild will be entering the debate as a whole, not by the subguilds.

[Bethelarien]

As was suggested earlier by (I believe) Aule, The Guild of the Children of Iluvatar sounds kind of...not right? So how about instead, the Guild of the Eruhini, which means the same thing, but sounds better (IMHO).

[Scatha]

I have an alternate name to propose, that also will indicate that there is not a section among the guild for dark creatures.

Followers of the Valar.

Though both suggestions already made, including that of Aule, seem correct to me. Any comments?

[Aulë]

Aule, home subguild? The point is that the entire guild will be entering the debate as a whole, not by the subguilds.
I was referring to the inter sub-guild debates that we were planning.

The Debate Tournament debates will be in the DT Forum. The inter-guild debates can be kept in the main page of this guild. Therefore there is no need for a 'Debates' sub-forum.



Guild name:
Guild of Eruhíni (Make sure to get the 'í' right ;) )
Guildmasters: Scatha and Swordmaster

Guild subguilds:
Children of the Stars GM: Beth
Delvers of the Depths GM: Gamil Zirak
Walkers of the World GM: Aule
People of the Lands GM: Eol


We also need descriptions for the merged guild and the subguilds to go under their names.

GoE desc: ???

DotD desc: A place where the Children of Aulë may congregate to discuss the habits and finer points of the Khazâd. Dwarvish RPGs, and debates, are also welcome.

CotS desc: A place for any Elves that linger still Middle-earth to meet with their kindred, take part in RPGs, and discuss anything and everything concerning the Firstborn.

WoW desc: ??

PotL desc: ??

[Bethelarien]

That sounds good to me. We just need to come up with descriptions for the other two, then?

But I'm still confused about the debates. Will there be a sub-forum within the GoE forum for it? All of this has really confused me.

[Scatha]

Aule, GoE and CotS are one and the same thing. ;)


WotW: A place where Man meets his fellow Man, to embark on new RP adventures and to discuss everything Man related.

PotL: A place where all other races mingle, whether it is Ent or Hobbit, or their lesser known brethren. including RPG and discussion.


Guild of Eruhíni:
Forum for the races of Arda, that follow the way of Illuvatar. Discussions about the races and RPG's for all of them.


Just an idea :)

[Anamatar IV]

I thought RPs weren't coming back to TTF?

[Aulë]

Scatha: GoE = Guild of Eruhini
(That's going to take a while to get used to ;) )

Beth: No, debates don't need their own subguild.




How bout this:
WotW: A place where Man meets his fellow Man, to embark on new RP adventures and to discuss everything related to Men.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Errr Aule... that description sounds like a gay man's dating service (no offense intended... but its like man looking for man... :p )

How about: A place where Men of Middle-Earth meet and recant the glorious days of Numenor and can RP in the the golden age of Gondor.

Or something similar.

[Scatha]

I'll settle with that, Aule, just change the 'Men' at the end for Man or Mankind.

WotW: A place where Man meets his fellow Man, to embark on new RP adventures and to discuss everything related to Mankind.

Are you or Swordmaster going to post this to WM, or shall I?


And GoE being Guild of Eruhini, that is going to take a while to get used to indeed. :p

[Aulë]

Errr Aule... that description sounds like a gay man's dating service (no offense intended... but its like man looking for man... )

How about: A place where Men of Middle-Earth meet and recant the glorious days of Numenor and can RP in the the golden age of Gondor.

Or something similar.

Yeah, that would be better :p

[Scatha]

So what is it going to be, Dain's or my description?

Come on Guys, I want this done before the new board is made by WM.

Aule or Dain, can either of you post a recap of what has been established?

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Guild of Eruhíni: Forum for the races of Arda, that follow the way of Iluvatar. Inculdes discussions about the races and RPG's.

--Children of the Stars: A place for any Elves that linger still in Middle-earth to meet with their kindred, take part in RPGs, and discuss anything and everything concerning the Firstborn.

--Delvers of the Depths: A place where the Children of Aulë may congregate to discuss the habits and finer points of the Khazâd. Dwarvish RPGs, and debates, are also welcome.

--Walkers of the World: A place where Men of Middle-Earth meet and recant the glorious days of Numenor, RP in the the golden age of Gondor, and sing of their ancient Kings.

--People of the Lands: A place where all other races mingle, whether it is Ent or Hobbit, or their lesser known brethren, including RPG and discussion.

Now a quick question- I thought the RPing was exclusive to MERPG alone? If so, then we should take the RPGing out of the descriptions.

[Aulë]

Perhaps we could have links in the subguilds that go to their respective MERPG Guilds?

[Scatha]

Posting a link to the respective guilds on MERPG is a good idea.
This will also strengthen the link between MERPG and TTF, which might also draw more players to MERPG.

[The_Swordmaster]

Well as you most likely noticed the guild has finally merged. Scatha, you and I are the new Guildmasters/Guildmods now. I think me and you now have to start creating the new threads for the main page and moving threads were they now belong.

Edit: Scatha we need to discuss rules and regulations and such in the council's new thread (that isn't made yet).

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Since Anamatar was supposed to be a sub-guild moderator for the Walkers of the World, and he is leaving, I would be glad to fill in for him.

Its up to you all though.

We also need to start brainstorming ideas for the RPG sections.

[The_Swordmaster]

Dain, Aule is the deputy guildmaster for WoW not Anamatar.

[The_Swordmaster]

We have successfully merged the two guilds on TTF. Now we must talk and think about the two struggling guilds on MERPG. Should these two be merged into one RPG guild and if so how should it be done? That is the question we must answer now.

[Scatha]

I believe MERPG and TTF are not the same thing. If you and Eol are contemplating a merger, Swordmaster, then this should be discussed there. Eol is in charge there on behalf of the Elves, until he decides otherwise.