GOO's Future

[Talierin]

WM and I were talking about the non-tolkien guilds' futures (i.e. getting rid of them), and I was telling him about how great this guild is, and he suggested that maybe we could move into the now vacant Golden Perch or Forsaken Inn, instead of being deleted, which I think is a cool idea. So what do you all think? Mind you, this may or may not happen, but we can at least discuss it :)

[Sarah]

meh, i'm not too fond of all these changes going on, but whatever floats ur guys' boats.

[ely]

Well, when the alternative is deleting GOO, it's sounds as a great idea. :D ;) :p

I understand why the changes are necessary and I have nothing against the new look of TTF (except that I spend more time at finding the right places :D ) and I think that GOO is a nice guild and I would be happy if it doesn't get deleted. :D ;) :p

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

I agree with both of the above. But on the other hand, maybe we should get some more Tolkien related topics going within our guild. After they move it, I'll start one. Too much flux going on right now.

[Saucy]

i think its a bad idea.....:(
i know what u guys are doing is great!...i mean it is a tolkien related website..but has an out cast...i dont think it should be moved or touched or anything :(
perhaps u could get some more of the outcasts to explain excatly what being an outcast and lotr's have in common...i think i could..but im not very good with words...so ill just end up confusing everyone.. so ill just say

pweety pleez mrs.mod dont hurt our lil guild

http://www.arnold-family.net/www/john/jason/images/trademark.jpg

^ those are my sad puppy eyes if u need a visual
:(

[YayGollum]

I would have more to say on the idea if I understood what these Golden Perch and Forsaken Inn things are supposed to be. oh well. What's the huge deal with moving if this thing will still be around somewhere? Oh, it might take you two extra seconds to find that place? Whoops.

[Arebeth]

Delete this guild???

UNE SEULE SOLUTION, LA MANIFESTATION!!!!!

Ahem. Do anything you want, I don't care where you put it, just don't delete it. (And please tell me how to get to that place, it would be great). It's an outcast vision of Tolkien's works, I mean. It's about what they changed in our lives, in what way they help us to get over all those silly people around us... LOTR is a very outcasted book, you know (well, all books are outcasted in a way). And the guild helped me a lot, too. Killing it would be a crime against difference in humanity. So find a place to move it, we're outcasts anyway, we don't care of the name of guild in itself--- That's all I had to say.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Rhiannon]

If the alternative is being deleted, you can move us wherever the heck you want ;) Are the remaining guilds all Tolkien related? If so, it would make sense to move us in to one of the non-Tolkien areas of the site (note: The Forsaken Inn sounds more outcasty than The Golden Perch).

But having more Tolkien related outcast threads is another good idea. We do a lot of messing around, but there has been some real Tolkien discussion (well, me explaing to Yay that Eowyn really is cool and outcasty and not an achingly normal heroine).

[YayGollum]

Well, I started this place with a few Tolkien related type threadses, but they weren't especially popular. oh well. It makes all kinds of sense to me to move us to some place that the big and scary people in charge might think that we'd fit better. Not a huge deal. I just wouldn't want the name changed.

[Talierin]

Sorry guys, but WM says we can't have an organized guild anymore :( BUT! he said we can keep the threads if we spread them throughout the Inns section, as long as they're good threads ;) I'll try to give you a list of where they're going as I move them.

[Rhiannon]

Stiff upper lip, fellows! Tal, thanks for doing your best for us!

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

Can we at least still use the GOO name? It does have 'Guild' in the title, but can we use it unofficially anyway?
Or can we use 'GOO' without spelling it out in the thread titles - but still with the understanding amongst ourselves as to what it means?

Or we could rename ourselves: De' GOO - meaning, Defunct Guild of Outcasts.

[YayGollum]

I doubt that adding whatever crazy little acronyms you want on your title will matter too much. Am I an evil person for not minding that this place will be gone? I am not a fan when someone calls me a guildmaster or moderator. Sickening. oh well. Have fun with whatever you people decide.

[Kailita]

I echo Arebeth and Rhi on my opinions about this place (it is our precious, it's a safe haven, it shouldn't be deleted, some new Tolkien-related threads would be great, it doesn't matter where they move us as long as we're together and intact, we do mess around but we're willing to reform in order to stick together...and messing around is part of the beauty of GOO...there needs to be somewhere for people to relax and be themselves...). But as it stands, it seems like we have little choice. This seems to have happened so quickly with so little explanation. Or maybe I just haven't been paying attention again...:rolleyes:

There's no point complaining if there's nothing we can do. Tal, our famous supermod, keep us posted with which threads are moving where. Don't let me lose you guys! :( I need some sort of GOO stability to keep my sanity. We will always be the GOO, whether or not we're an official guild (in fact...doesn't it make us even more Outcasted that we don't have an organized guild...? :rolleyes: ) I agree with Mindy...Defunct Guild of Outcasts has a sort of ring to it.

Well...here's to all of you, then. No matter what, guild or otherwise, we will all continue to be Outcasted...it's not really something that can change with the revocation of an official title or meeting place, and that's comforting.

[Rhiannon]

This seems to have happened so quickly with so little explanation. Or maybe I just haven't been paying attention again...
There have been several discussions (read: arguments) over the fact that the forum has been getting less and less Tolkien-oriented (this is bad), and cluttered, and tempers have been getting shorts, and things. And things needed sprucing up anyway...but a lot of pointless around and around and around and around and around 'discussion' was going on. I sat on the bleachers for most of it in case things got really ugly.

But the long and the short of it is, things are getting moved around and re-organized to bring the focus back on Tolkien, cut down on spam (I'm going nuts not singing the spam song whenever people say something about 'oops, I suppose this is spam'...because, well, that would be spam. In more ways than one), and in general make things purtier.

[YayGollum]

Ah. Also, don't get rid of this place before that debating type tournament thing is over. People will inevitably rant.

[Rhiannon]

Oh, good point, Yay- Can we hold off 'defuncting' the Guild until the debate tournament is over?

[Eriol]

Originally posted by Talierin
Sorry guys, but WM says we can't have an organized guild anymore :( BUT! he said we can keep the threads if we spread them throughout the Inns section, as long as they're good threads ;) I'll try to give you a list of where they're going as I move them.

:mad: :(

I'm very annoyed with this. Though I never took part in this Guild except for one thread, I am annoyed.

Had to blurt this out somewhere.

[Rhiannon]

Thanks for being annoyed on our behalf, Eriol :) And we liked having you around, even if it was just for one thread!

I'm working hard to be pragmatic and understanding- and I can understand the WM's position. Though I must say I'd rather Tolkien-ize the outcasts than dismember it and spread it around, it's not like it's completely unreasonable.

[Kailita]

Yes, I got the gist of the anti-spam feeling with the deleting of the post counts, and I've noticed the new and hopefully improved look of the place. No spam = good thing. It's just...I don't know...seemingly extreme in some cases. But maybe that's just me. I'm not a purist...and I've never been able to cope well with change. And I haven't seen anything about this anywhere in GOO - with the people it actually concerns - except for this thread, which only started four days ago. Do we, as the people of this guild, have any say in the matter? Can we have the chance to possibly attempt to "reform" the GOO? To echo Rhi...I understand the WM's point of view, but can't we at least try to re-Tolkienize the GOO rather than disband it and throw it to the winds?

Eriol...thanks. I knew I always liked you.

Edit: If the GOO does, Heaven forbid, get disbanded...can't we have one last request? There is one thing that we're really good at as Outcasts, and that's throwing random parties for random reasons with random entertainment (magic ovens, karaoke, Rhi's piano man, catapulting cows at each other, etc.). I move that, if worst comes to worst, we have a funeral/party (what a combination :rolleyes: ) for the GOO. It would only be fitting to hold it in Mr. Underhill's Submarine. ;) We could have a preacher, mourners, someone to hold the casket, etc., and pull off our usual craziness for one final bash. Anyone second the motion?

[Rhiannon]

Seconded! One last big outcasty bash! (and Eriol's invited too)

[Sarah]

thirded! yay! party!

[Arebeth]

:( :( :(

So please, will anyone tell us what they are going to do of this guild or non-guild or I-don't-care-what-it-is?

It really makes me sad to think it might be deleted... It was so incredible when I discovered it six weeks ago...
Or maybe we will have to do something in an other site? I still can't see the point in being so purist about this site. I mean, this is a site for Tolkien fans to talk, but why only about Tolkien? He was a genius, he wrote the best books in the world, we all know that, and there are a lot of things to speak about in his works, I agree with that, but... I can't understand.:rolleyes:

Oh, and excuse me, Kai & Rhi, I don't feel like going to a party. :(

[Kailita]

I understand, Arebeth. Most of our parties in Mr. Underhill's Submarine took place before you joined us.

As for finding another site...you should pm Jam (aka The-Elf-Herself) (if she's still around somewhere). She was talking to me about another Outcast site...the original one, I think, that this one was actually based off of. We should ask her about it...

[Dragon]

murble....

well, I think if we're gonna get seperated, we should prolly start exchanging e-mails and IMing stuffs, or at least sending messages to the ppl we really wanna keep in touch w/, bcI know that we'll all prolly still be here at ttf, but different ppl hang out in different sections, and we may not all get to talk that much

I think a party would be....ok.... I mean, I like our parties, and a funeral-ish-thing seems like a decent idea, but... nevermind, it's a pretty good idea...:rolleyes:

well, if anyone who has any kind of influence here happens to actually be reading this,I think we would all be open to reforming, and getting more tolkien stuffs in here.

[Kailita]

Originally posted by Dragon
well, I think if we're gonna get seperated, we should prolly start exchanging e-mails and IMing stuffs, or at least sending messages to the ppl we really wanna keep in touch w/, bcI know that we'll all prolly still be here at ttf, but different ppl hang out in different sections, and we may not all get to talk that much
I agree. I can't lose you guys! You all hold little keys to my sanity, and without you I'll probably spiral down the drain without other Outcasts to hold me up. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by D
well, if anyone who has any kind of influence here happens to actually be reading this,I think we would all be open to reforming, and getting more tolkien stuffs in here.
Yeah, I think so, too. I mean, we're all ready to do whatever it takes to keep the GOO. At the risk of repeating myself over and over again: Is there any possible way that we could have the opportunity to re-Tolkienize ourselves to suit the Webmaster instead of taking us apart without even trying? What about a probation period just to see if it works? Can we talk to the WM? Anything to keep our little Outcast community from being scattered all over the place? *Is trying not to get desperate*

[Rhiannon]

Tal should be back tonight, but I think a petition to the WM offering to re-Tolkienize the Outcasts is a good idea.

[Niirewen]

I agree with your petition idea, Rhi. It would be devestating if the GOO was deleted.. I'm all for reforming and re-Tolkienizing the Outcasts, if that saves it from being gotten rid of, and I think a lot of other people are, too.

[HobbitGirl]

*sputters furiously*

Delete the GOO? Scatter the GOO? Dissolve the GOO? What kind of outright blaspehmy is this?! Hello?! Don't we get a say?! And no! I'm not going to calm down! Not until the WM takes his little finger off the delete button and gives us, the members of the GOO, the ones who know how much each of us is an insane Tolkien freak that can easily be a GOOey Tolkien freak, a chance to prove that we are in fact Tolkein-y enough for TTF.

No, I don't want the GOO to be scattered. And no, I'm not going to just lie down and say, "Oh, it's the only way. It's either that or get deleted." No! That's not the only way! We can be Tolkien-y enough! We can! We already are! Just give us some time!

If you're going to delete the GOO, then go and delete Stuff and Bother while you're at it. I'm sure that would go over real well. That's about the least Tolkien-y thing I have ever come to experience, even less Tolkien-y than...oh I don't know...*pulls something random from out of nowhere to prove her point* The Beatles. Hey, at least the Beatles were British too.

*is well aware that last paragraph was a bit off topic, but is having trouble keeping her ranting in check*

The GOO can be Tolkien-y. Easily. Heck, we're on the freaking Tolkien forum. We don't have to look far for inspirtation. The problem is that lately we've been losing sight of that Tolkien-y edge just a little bit. We can find it again. Easily. There's no need to delete us.

It seems that it is being implied that the GOO is a hub for spam. I don't care about the argument that my brother often makes that it is "just insignificant message board"; this offends me. The GOO is not spam. GOO houses some of the most intelligent, opinionated, perceptive people I have ever known. This is our place to come together. Sure we have a tendancy to be crazy, and sure we may drift off on a tangent sometimes, but if we were stiff all the time we might as well just shrivel up and die, and tangents are only human, dude.

Sorry for my ranting bit earlier, but...I'm not going to stand for seeing the GOO go. If GOO goes, you can bet your sweet bippy that I'll make one heck of a scene. I'm sorry if my defiance is rankling to the "mod authority", but again, you're talking to little-miss-fiery-fervor here. I may be pretty sober-seeming online sometimes, but if you knew me, you would hear me rant and rave my opinions all over the place incessently. If the GOO goes, that won't slow me down for a half a second. I'll go right ahead and start up a new GOO. I'll pay for the freaking URL if I have to. Boycots of TTF would follow soon after.

That's my two cents. *looks back* Okay, maybe it was more like eight dollars. But still.

*scrambles off to start GOOey Tolkien threads*

[YayGollum]

Yikes! Scary. oh well. This is much like the reaction my first guild of Outcasts had when we were tossed out of the website we were sticking on. They made their own little and free website thing. Not bad. Anyways, I'm sure that we could bring up some Tolkien and Outcast type threads up. I tried to start this place out with a few. But then, it is mostly for socialization of the Outcast sort. A place to hide from the sickeningly and mind-bogglingly normal types. No offense.

[Talierin]

Well, had a little chat with WM again and he says we can move to Forsaken Inn. So that's better than being split up. I'll move it tonight and get it over with.

[Rhiannon]

Good news: It's wonderful that we get to stay one big outcasty family, plus getting new digs (and it's not like we did much guild type stuff anyway except debate, which I suppose is still a question that we'll need to sort out later).

Bad news: Taaaaaal!!! The Forsaken Inn is 'not accepting new posts!'

[Turin]

Yes this sucks!

[Talierin]

Hmm, ok, I'll talk to WM and figure out what's up with that.

[Kailita]

Yes! Yes yes yes! This is getting somewhere!

Preach it, HG! You certainly know how to invest your eight dollars. :D The GOO still lives!

Now...this moving to the Forsaken Inn business. What exactly is the Forsaken Inn for...? Semi-off-topic stuff, yes? Or no? I'm still getting used to this new lay-out. Basically, we'll just have a new atmosphere for posting, right? Anything else that I'm missing about the move?

[Talierin]

Well, I'm thinking that the Forsaken Inn will kind of be a place to talk about what it's like to be a geek (much like GoO already is). I'm also hoping we'll get a lot more people into it, since it isn't going to be a "guild" anymore

[DGoeij]

Hiya. I bumped into Talierin on this (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=369460#post369460) thread. Interesting for both us Tweens and you Outcasts. Please read it and add you ideas, so this will work out better than what happened to politics and religion.

[Nóm]

I know most of you don't really know me, at least not beyond reading some of my posts, and that I am not very active in this guild.... but please check that thread DGoeij linked to. I have asked for a last chance for GoO to make this guild more about Tolkien and get to keep it. I have done this because a few of you offered to do this, and because another guild with a small percentage of Tolkien content has been allowed a chance to make their guild more about Tolkien. If you are willing to do this, and you will have my support, please post in that thread saying you will post more about Tolkien in GoO if they will allow a chance.

Thanks

[YayGollum]

Sure thing. Yay for links and helpful people. *hangs head in shame for hiding behind excuses that no one would care to see anyways* I am surprised that this section is still here at all. oh well.

[Ancalagon]

It would be a shame to lose the Guild of Outcasts as it is now:( As pointless a Guild as I think it is in relation to Tolkien, it is part of the fixtures and fittings within the Tolkien Forum and seems like one of those unique places where likeminded gather to talk...well...mindlessness:) That is why I have such affection for the place!

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

It was a long hard struggle to get it off the ground, so it's good to see GOO hard to let go of. (:rolleyes: Phoohey on grammer.)

I do miss some of the more Tolkien threads, like 'Sam is evil' and the GOO Poetry thread. What happened to all of our big plans -- RPGs with outcasted Tolkien characters and the Beornings Inn, etc?

[HobbitGirl]

OK, I read that thread that DGoeij linked to, and I just gotta say:

This is really pissing me off.

I'm not going to say more than that because if I did, you'd see me banned the next day.

*shakes head in utter disgust*

[Kailita]

HG...deep breaths. It's okay. We're going to be all right. We all have to be flexible...bendy. Like a rubber band. That's flexible...and bendy...:rolleyes::) Yeah...

Thank you, Ancalagon! It's good to know that we're supported by non-Outcasts, too. I think GOO represents the kind of offbeat sense of humor that Tolkien includes in so many of his characters...a hobbitlike sense of community, but without the fear of the "strange" and "unnatural". ;)

[Rhiannon]

...because, of course, we ARE the strange and unusual and everyone should fear US.

[Arebeth]

Maybe we should explain to "everyone" that they are supposed to fear us?

[The-Elf-Herself]

*pokes her head in and waves a little* Jam here! Back after long absence. *sits back in her former spot and ponders the latest discussions* Ehm, opinion with-held until the proper time-whenever that may come. *sighs and bites her lip to avoid saying anything she can't take back*