Idea

[Ciryaher]

Since the Webmaster did not ban political/religious discussion, and all of the people who like such discussion want to keep the discussions in one spot (rather than in the Spam-Fest that is S&B)...

I propose to the members of this guild and its leaders that we allow some political and religious discussions to officially take place here, because it's not as if they're not allowed, and it's not against what this guild is about (since politics and religion are as essential to history as stories and the people in them).

Please vote only if you plan on posting regularly, or post here presently on a regular basis.

[Talierin]

Our policy on non Tolkien based discussions and deliberation is really pretty simple. TTF will not be a host for any permanent fora, or threads, dedicated solely to any non Tolkien based topics. If we find that a thread begins to exhibit signs of violating this policy, we will ask the participants to bring the topic to a close. If this request is not heeded, then we will close or delete the thread.

I will not allow this guild to turn into a p/r guild (which is exactly what would happen), and besides, there is already other plans for this guild.

[Niniel]

Oh, what other plans are that? I'd like to hear them. But I agree that this forum should not turn into a p/r forum. Something should to it though, since there's not much going on now.

[Ciryaher]

What sort of plans? And there are already several religious discussions, why not just allow it officially? I haven't seen much being done around here, and I don't see why we can't give it a little jump start with some geo-political discussion.

[Scatha]

Allowing P&R within this guild officially seems like a bad idea to me, unless it actually has something to do with the topic of discussion, yet without it turning into a P&R discussion.

aka, as long as the discussion stays on topic.

I have always been interested in history, but mostly medieval age and before. What came after the 'dark ages' is of less interest to me.

And I'd love to hear of these plans too, Tal. :D

[Talierin]

Because that is exactly how the GoR got started, with the idea that we should stick all p/r threads in one place, and it's not happening again. And then there's the rules I quoted above. You can make your own forum somewheres else if you want to talk about it, but it ain't happening in my guild.

Well, a fairly newish member, Freawine, contacted me asking if he could make a guild about ancient mythology, and he has some really good ideas, so I thought maybe I'd just turn the guild over to him... but I have yet to really talk it over with him yet, I merely suggested the idea.

[Idril]

Originally posted by Talierin
You can make your own forum somewheres else if you want to talk about it, but it ain't happening in my guild.

From what I've seen, nothing much is/has been happening in your guild.

I'm intrigued by this guild thing, if the guild founder does not want a guild anymore, does he/she get to dictate what it then becomes or should it be up for grabs by all other members with good guild ideas? From reading this thread, it seems like the guilds are the personal domains of the leader/founder, to do with what they like. Sorry in advance if I've misinterpreted this.

[Talierin]

I know I haven't done much with it, I'm afraid other duties have kept me away :( That's why I'd like to hand it off to someone who'd use it like it should be used...
But that still don't obscure the fact that WM has stated in the rules that fora dedicated to p/r discussion is not to be allowed.

And I really don't know what should be done when a guild leader doesn't want a guild anymore. It's something to ponder... I'm open for ideas, Freawine's was just one, and nothing's been finalized

[Scatha]

Generally, Tal, when a guildmaster resigns her duties, the guild holds an election, to establish who will follow up her position.

Or you make a proposal who you think would be best suited, like Glorf did to me, before he left the GoE.

[Talierin]

Well, that's the problem with this guild, is that there really isn't anyone to take over, because it's so dead... so suggestions would be nice :)

[Scatha]

Start up a few new topics?

Begin a discussion?

With so many history fans on this board, the guild can basically remain alive for quite some time, Tal. Just a matter of coming up with new topics.

[Idril]

Originally posted by Talierin
.... besides, there is already other plans for this guild.

Tal your tone does not suggest you want any ideas or suggestions because you have plans afoot already. My point being surely the guild members should be deciding this not solely you?

[Talierin]

Like I said, nothing has been finalized yet, I was merely thinking about it. It's an issue I hadn't planned on getting to for awhile yet in my stack of things to do, and I would have made a thread about it in here when I was ready, with an "open for suggestions" line. I only said it in here cause Cir brought up the p/r thing, and I wanted him to know that there was going to be some other plans.

[Scatha]

Well, to my belief, this guild still has a future the way it is, just lacks activity. Why don't you start by adding my name to that member list, Tal? ;)

[Talierin]

Eep, the memberlist that hasn't been updated in forever? Yeah, time for a new leader, I think, one who isn't a busy mod...

[Scatha]

Well, Tal, I am a guildmaster, moderator at MERPG and now active in at least 5 guilds. ;)

[Talierin]

You don't mod S&B, hehehe ;)
But I'm also taking graphic design classes at college, which means I have to use my comp for other purposes, unfortunately not for TTF 24/7

[Scatha]

Interesting education, Tal. Hope to see more of that stuff from you, great work on the t-shirt btw. :)

[Ciryaher]

I'm not saying we should have open religious or political discussions, but they should certainly be allowed in the context of historic significance. Discussions such as the ethics of atomic weapons, the Crusades, the affects of political ideologies on history such as the Cold War or American Civil War...these things relate to history.

I of course wouldn't want another "Christian Views on Homosexuality" but some place to talk about religions and politics and their impacts on history are certainly not out of line.

And if this guild needs a guildmaster, I could certainly oblige...unless of course there are other plans for it.

[celebdraug]

It would be really good to have some religion threads. (i noticed that the religion forum was closed down for a while and it is such a shame....):(