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Scatha
12-12-2003, 01:27 AM
I think it is time to launch a small project, in charting the lineages of the dwarves from Tolkien's work. Anyone interested in pitching in is welcome.

This way, the Delvers of the Deep will have a referral for their favorite race.

The_Swordmaster
12-14-2003, 06:59 PM
I would like to help you in this project, Scatha.

Scatha
12-14-2003, 10:18 PM
Great, SM. :)

omnipotent_elf
12-14-2003, 10:55 PM
i'll do what i can

Scatha
12-17-2003, 09:18 PM
So exactly how much do we know about the first seven dwarven lords?

JOSHUASIGEP44
12-20-2003, 02:29 AM
Originally posted by Scatha
I think it is time to launch a small project, in charting the lineages of the dwarves from Tolkien's work. Anyone interested in pitching in is welcome.

This way, the Delvers of the Deep will have a referral for their favorite race.

Schata,

I have found a home. I love the dwarves above any other of Tolkiens peoples.The Silmarillion is not specific about the awakening of the Dwarves. Tolkien notes there that the Dwarves knew the details of their awakening, but kept them secret. Tolkien lets us know in one of his essays where three of the seven Fathers awoke. The eldest , Durin the Deathless, awoke at Mount Gundabad in the northern Misty Mountains. Two more, the unnamed ancestors of the Firebeard and Broadbeam clans, were placed by Aulë in the Blue Mountains (and there presumably founded Nogrod and Belegost). The other Fathers awoke in pairs in two other locations, a thousand miles or more to the east of the Misty Mountains. In what I think was called the red or blood mountains. I can't remeber.

Scatha
12-21-2003, 01:41 AM
Thanks Josh. :D How about you join up in this guild and work on this with us?

The joining thread is here:

Joining thread (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13497&perpage=20&pagenumber=2)

Scatha
12-21-2003, 04:12 AM
Ok, i'll post a link to the obvious 'family tree' of Durin's line.

The lineage of this family can be found here:

Durin's lineage (http://img-fan.theonering.net/rolozo/images/ftrees/durins_tree.jpg)

Inderjit S
12-23-2003, 12:01 AM
The four clans of the East are the Blacklocks, Stonefoots, Ironfists and Stiffbeards. (HoME 12; Of Dwarves and Men.)

Durin was "born" in Mount Gundabad. He "walked alone" (Gimli' song.) and he (unlike the other Dwarven father didn't have a mate.)(Last Writings; HoME 12) Dwarves were not subject to disease and their bodies rotted slowly.

There was to be seven incarnations of Durin, the last one being the grand-son of Dáin Ironfoot II.

Some of the Avari had better relations with Dwarves then the Eldar ('Quendi and Eldar'; (HoME 11) and the tongues of the Easterlings were said to be (partly) derived from Khuzdul. Adûnaic, the tongue of Númenór, which was derived from the speech of the Marachian (Hadorian) tribe was said to have several elements of Khuzdul too.

Men had mixed relations with Dwarves. The 'Appendix' tells us that although Men and Dwarves often had hostile relations, Men often made up negative stories about Dwarves (Androg claims that "his people brought few good stories of (Dwarves) from the East, which is strange since his people language was partially derived from Khuzdul, but then again Androg was a bit of an idiot. The Marachians tribes of Rhovanion were closely allied with the Longbeards of Khazad-dum for a long time, until the War of Elves and Sauron. The Easterlings who entered Beleriand were close with the Dwarves of the Blue Mountains.

An example of hostile Man-Dwarf relations is the one between the Eothed and the Dwarves when they argued over Scatha's hoard after Fram slew him.

*sorry for the poor grammar just throwing together bits and pieces of info. randomly off the top of my head.

Scatha
12-29-2003, 10:35 PM
*sorry for the poor grammar just throwing together bits and pieces of info. randomly off the top of my head.

Keep throwing Indy. :)