What the Outcasts think about ROTK

[Niirewen]

Some of us have been posting about it in the Rantings thread.. so I thought it might be a good idea to start a new thread where we can talk about ROTK (since no one else has). I already gave my opinion for the most part in the Rantings thread, so I'll let some one else take this over now.. just thought I'd get it started ;)

[Sarah]

haven't seen it yet. I plan to on saturday.

[MacAddict]

It sucked, plain and simple. It is a film worthy only of being spoofed and made fun of, it sucked. All the great lines from the book are replaced with stupid **** that the 'Unaware-that-there-is-a-book' audience loves and the book fans get angry at. Me and my friends had a wonderful time making fun of it.


~MacAddict

[Sarah]

I'm going to say this once, and only once for the ppl who keep saying it sucked:

I'd like to see you do better.

[Turin]

Originally posted by MacAddict
It sucked, plain and simple. It is a film worthy only of being spoofed and made fun of, it sucked. All the great lines from the book are replaced with stupid **** that the 'Unaware-that-there-is-a-book' audience loves and the book fans get angry at. Me and my friends had a wonderful time making fun of it.


~MacAddict

My thoughts exactly, I was there with you to help make fun of it. I'm not a purist but it almost made me one. I will still buy the dvd and enjoy watching the movies, but not as an interpretation of the book, just as some story PJ made up. I know I probably couldn't have done a better job but PJ could have, he had every thing that he needed.

[Arebeth]

Awesome movie. As a movie. Maybe it's not exactly faithful to the book... But as a movie it's great. No Arwen scene every five minutes. Incredible actors/music/photography. And well, of course there is this thing with Frodo telling Sam to go home. Nothing can be perfect. I enjoyed it anyway- in fact I watched it as a movie in itself, not as an adaptation from the book, which is a good thing.

[Gandalf White]

Originally posted by Turin
My thoughts exactly, I was there with you to help make fun of it. I'm not a purist but it almost made me one. I will still buy the dvd and enjoy watching the movies, but not as an interpretation of the book, just as some story PJ made up. I know I probably couldn't have done a better job but PJ could have, he had every thing that he needed.

Explain to me how you thought PJ was making a good adaptation after coming out of FotR? :confused: How, after TTT, did you hold any hope that RotK would be a faithful adaptation? Wake up and smell the coffee. Better yet, read the professional reviews...:rolleyes:

The movie rocked, plain and simple. It is a film worthy of adoration and awards, it was great. The lines were no longer jarring or out of place, as they were on occasion in TTT. My friends and I had a wonderful time watching it.

BTW, were you guys comments audible to the theatre in general?

[Turin]

PJ didn't mess up FotR or TTT as much, at least not enough to make me not like them. My sister already went to see RotK again, she's like 'oh its such a good movie', and she claims to have read the books:rolleyes:. We even got the row behind us laughing in the movie. I'll probably see it again in the theatres, I've got to take one of my friends sometime.

[Gandalf White]

Originally posted by Turin
PJ didn't mess up FotR or TTT as much, at least not enough to make me not like them. My sister already went to see RotK again, she's like 'oh its such a good movie', and she claims to have read the books:rolleyes:. We even got the row behind us laughing in the movie. I'll probably see it again in the theatres, I've got to take one of my friends sometime.

Lol, all I can say is that's strange taste. TTT was absolutely slaughtered, RotK was much better comparatively.

-Aragorn still all wrong
-Gimli the clown
-Stupid Ents
-Helm's Deep expanded
-Theoden massacred
-Frodo, Sam, Gollum already messed up
-Faramir massacred
-Trip to Osgiliath
-Frodo offering Ring
-No Shelob
...

Explain how someone who has read the books can't like the movie. I didn't think you could. I've read them multiple times, and RotK is my favorite movie ever.

Well hurrah for you. :rolleyes: You managed to let your immaturity no doubt ruin others enjoyment of good cinema. I'm glad I wasn't there. (For your sake) ;) :D

[Rhiannon]

I didn't like it at all- and please tell me I'm not going to get flamed here, in the Outcasts, for not liking a movie!

I did talk during the movie, but really quietly and Rai and I stuck our heads close together for it (I'm notorious for talking during movies anyway). And I didn't do it much, but sometimes I just couldn't help it.

Here are my thoughts on the film, from else-thread- and they are scathing. I'm not afraid to be scathing. I was not happy with the film. DISCLAIMER: This does not mean I think all of you people who loved the film are idiots. I'm really happy for you that you enjoyed the film. But I didn't, and I wanted to, and I am most displeased because I feel like I've been giving Peter Jackson a lot of slack. After TTT I pinned all my hopes on RotK being good.

I thought it was awful. It didn't have the scope, it didn't have the majesty, it didn't have the sheer nobility portrayed by the book- it was a couple of dumb stunts and a lot of special effects. The most wrenching moments in the book came off as cheesy on the screen, largely because of the (I thought) filming, minor alterations of lines to make them sound 'modern' (gag), etc. It was most definitely not what I wanted to see- and I didn't even like it just as an action film. There is so much character development that's supposed to happen, and they traded it in for a few fight sequences that we could get for a dime a dozen in the action section of the video store. It was completely lacking in the kind of stuff that appeals to me, even apart from the alterations from the text.

So, in summary, I thought it sucked. But I looked awesome in my costume.

I'm growing more irritated as I type.

I didn't like the use of the opening sequence about Smeagol. Sure, it's good to have it, but I don't like it as the opening, and I found the murder sequence to be extremely horrific- I need to call home and warn my dad before he takes my younger siblings.

The plot was incoherent. The jumps from thing to thing don't make sense, nothing seques- one minute Theoden is whining because Gondor didn't come to their aid, and in his next scene he's rallying Rohan to because some pretty fires got lit- and because Aragorn guilted him in to it. We never see why he changes his mind.

The palantir looked like one of those electric balls you can get from novelty stores, which took away from a scene that might otherwise have been very effective.

Denethor was disgusting. As much as I hate the character's slimy nasty guts, even I recognize that he still has shreds of nobility and dignity- he isn't completely nutzo from the get-go. The pyre scene had every chance of being excellent...until Denethor hops off the table and goes running away to jump off the wall. What the hell was that? I'm still hoping I dreamed that part.

The Battle of Pelennor was 1) broken up because they kept stopping the action to have Theoden shout orders and 2) totally and annoyingly dominated by those freaking stupid elephants. Okay, they're big, they have tusks, they're stomping on people, but can we get a shot of something ELSE maybe? Just a little? If they were trying to be realistic by having Theoden keep control of the attack, they shouldn't have bothered. It just broke up the scene. And by focusing on the elephants the battle was transformed in to a flashback to Star Wars. Where's an X-wing fighter when you need one? Also, Legolas' stunt with the elephant was absolutely ridiculous. I only thought his jumping up on the horse in an absolutely physically impossible way was bad, but the jumping all over the mumakil's legs was too much. What was he supposed to be holding on to? Arrows stuck in the elephant's skin? um....no.

And the clencher. My scene. MY SCENE. My scene that had every chance of completely dominating the screen because it's the coolest thing ever. It could have been. So. Much. More. The dialogue was altered- which I was expecting, but I wasn't expecting to have it completely robbed of its power. And not only was it altered, but it was out of sync. Eowyn doesn't remove her helmet until after Merry has stabbed the Nazgul, what is with that? It ruins the entire premise of the scene, that she's doing this because she's a woman. And the elephant corpse kind of ruined things for me, too. And where was the cloud of darkness? And WHY DIDN'T THE NAZGUL'S FREAKING HEAD COME OFF? WHERE WERE THE FLAMES FOR EYES? WHY DID THE NAZGUL LOOK LIKE BLOODY EVIL EMPEROR ZURG JUNIOR?
Rhi is Not Happy. It just felt all wrong. Of course, I know the scene backwards and forwards, but all of us here agree that her taking off her helm at the wrong moment ruins everything. It's like an afterthought. No pause of sudden doubt, no shrill wailing that fades away, no deadly gleam of fiery eyes...the Nazgul was totally not scary, and Eowyn's valor was equally diminished. This doesn't mean that I didn't whoop at the top of my lungs, but I know with absolute certainty that with reptition the scene being wrong is going to drive me crazy.

And following that, Eowyn just gets left at Pelennor at we skip to Aragorn in Minas Tirith. Eh? Where was Eomer's big scene? So Aragorn (who, now that he's king, is suddenly not-sexy; I'm not sure how this happened. Maybe it was the beard. He should totally have stuck witht he sexy stubble) takes his army to the Black Gate(s), they stand in a little group in front of it and...let the bad guys come out and surround them. Oh yeah, that's bloody brilliant. Good move, Aragorn.

And, of course, there is no mention of the fact that Eowyn and Faramir fall in love except they smile at each other during the coronation (which featured Aragorn's corny touchy-feely speech- yawn- and Arwen hiding behind a banner in an icky seafoam green colored dress). Other travesties include Elrond showing up in Rohan and the bizarre close up as he whips Aragorn's brand-spanking new sword out- a cinematic mistake if I ever saw one- no sign whatsoever of Saruman, and the Paths of the Dead.

The Paths of the Dead REALLY sucked. They were freaking green. And glowy. And the entire sequence gave me Indiana Jones flashbacks crossed with the Haunted House ride at Disneyland. Eeeeew. They sucked rocks. They sucked dead bears. They seriously and deeply sucked.

And, of course, we were introduced to a few new Middle Earth Products- In addition to the Gandalf Top (not for children under three), the Dark Lord Eye Drops (Are your eyes inflamed? Are they constantly red? Do they look evil and sinister?), and the Lembas Bread (as seen on TV, endorsed by Orlando Bloom!), we have Galadriel's Insect Repellant and the Sauron Spotlight. The phial was cool, however, while the Sauron Spotlight was...not. It was one of the most gruesome travesties of a special effect ever.


THINGS I LIKED-

Yes, I did like some things. I liked Eowyn's scene with Theoden before they left Rohan. I liked the the film's upping of the relationship between Theoden and Eowyn- I just wish they'd given some of that to her relationship with Eomer as well. I think as far as the film goes, Merry speaking to Theoden would have been less effective because we never see him and Theoden interact like they do in the book. No 'as a father you shall be to me'. I liked Faramir- it was a huge relief to be able to be on Faramir's side. Not being able to root for Faramir was one of the worst things about the last movie. And (since Aragorn wasn't even hot in this movie), my affections are totally transferred to Wenham. My favorite part of the movie was- you guessed it- the five seconds of Eowyn and Faramir standing next to each other. And (I'm a purist, but not purist enough to be incensed over the lack of the Scouring, because frankly I don't like that part of the book. I can appreciate it, but I don't like it because it's painful and sad and I don't read it as often as the rest of it) I loved the scenes in the Shire. At least we got one wedding! And the Havens were excellent, except for Celeborn- where the heck do you think you're going?

[Gandalf White]

No worries, my code of honor doesn't allow me to flame anyone here in the Outcasts.

About 1/4th of the way through your post I realized that I'd read it before. ;)

I myself found it grand and epic, while it had all the awesome character interaction/development of FotR. It was the most intense movie I've ever seen, not simply because of the huge battles and special effects, but mostly because of the characters; Frodo and Sam, Gandalf and Pippin, Legolas and Gimli.

Gah, I simply cannot wait to see it again!

[Ice Man]

I haven't seen it yet.
I'm going insane.

[Rhiannon]

Originally posted by Gandalf White
No worries, my code of honor doesn't allow me to flame anyone here in the Outcasts.

About 1/4th of the way through your post I realized that I'd read it before. ;)


Yeah- I just copied my earlier comments, instead of re-writing them. Waste not...;)

[Dragon]

my opinions echo arebeth. that's pretty much it....:rolleyes: :o :)

[Niirewen]

I saw it for the second time today. I liked it better this time.:)

[Gandalf White]

*is jealous*

Christmas and the holidays keeps getting in the way of a second viewing for me... :mad:

Oh, to have a license... :rolleyes:

[Ice Man]

I still think TFOTR was the best, but ROTK was definitely better than TTT in all aspects. The figth scenes were very well done, although it is no fun to watch Legolas do all that stuff without ever being caught in trouble or harmed.

Basically, it's what I expected, exciting, full of fight scenes, with Frodo and Sam acting boderline gay, and happy ending with a slight sweet and sour taste. It was always obvious that ROTK, or any of the other movies, was not going to be entirely faithful to the books, but only a fool would have expected that.

[e.Blackstar]

My sister and I decided that PJ ought to get all pay and praise for, say, three years, then he ought to be disemboweled and shot.

BTW, I've seen it thrice

[Kailita]

Oh. My. Gosh.

I just spent an HOUR writing out my reply. And the computer erased it right as I clicked Submit. *Bangs head against wall repeatedly*

Urghhhhhhhhh. I have some of it saved. But not even half. *Wails*. I. Hate. This. Computer.

Okay. Here we go again. *Sigh*

There are some things I need to say before I start giving my take on the movie. One, you should know that I haven't read Return of the King yet. I know, I know, it's horrible, inexcusable...*flinches as rotten fruit is pelted her way*. I didn't know that much about Lord of the Rings when the first movie came out. I had read The Hobbit once, but didn't really get much out of it. But the movie looked good, so I went to see it. LOVED it. Became fascinated with it. Attempted to read the first book. For someone who isn't used to Tolkien's style, it can be really hard to get through the first book...the beginning is almost suffocating. But once I got past that first part, I did finish the book. Went to see Two Towers. Loved it. Read the book. Was surprised with how many differences there were...really mad at the difference in Faramir's character (but forgave PJ after seeing the extended version, which made up for most of it). I have to say that now, after reading the book, I think the extended version of Two Towers was what redeemed it from my displeasure. So I looked forward with much anticipation to Return of the King, planning on reading the book after seeing the movie like I had done with the others.

I liked it. One of my best friends - who has read the books, didn't like TTT (meaning that he's not willing to give slack where slack isn't deserved), and loves Eowyn - liked it. But now I come in here and find that Rhiannon, who I very much respect, hated it, which puts me on very shaky ground. But after reading her post, I understand some of the reasons why. I'm not going to flame anyone. There are some things I liked about the movie and some that I didn't, and that might change after I've read the book. But here is some of my reasoning.

Things I didn't like: I agree with Rhiannon about the opening scene with Smeagol. It was an important scene, but it shouldn't have been at the beginning. The opening scene sets the tone for the rest of the movie, and it was just way too morbid and eerie to go at the beginning. Where was Saruman? We never find out what happened to him. They took out the battle of words between him and Gandalf, and that was disappointing. I did not like the part where Frodo told Sam to go home. It was wrenching and unneccessary.

I hope this doesn't sound morbid, but I laughed when Denethor jumped off the wall. Not because of some twisted pleasure in his death (even though he was downright revolting), but just because it took me by surprise and seemed so incredibly random and pointless. It was kind of like a shocked laugh. Again, unneccessary. The scene would have been fine without it.

The scene with Eowyn was probably the most disappointing for me. Not because I didn't enjoy it...but because it could have been even better. I haven't read the book, so I don't know anything about flaming eyes or heads coming off...but I do know what Eowyn is supposed to say. Anyone who's paid attention to Rhiannon's past avatar knows!

"No living man may hinder me!"
"No living man am I!"

Even writing it sends thrills through me. I understand them changing the language in some places, I guess...but come on! Please...just that one line! It has so much power and strength in it, and they stripped a lot of that simply by changing it to...what is it?..."Well, I'm not a man," or something of that sort. Agh! And now that I think about it, taking the helmet off at a different point would definitely have added to the scene. And don't even get me started on the Houses of Healing. Lack of togetherness of Eowyn and Faramir irked me too. (Any hope for reparation of that in the extended version...?)

But despite the things that bugged me, I feel like I was able to transcend them and grasp the real essence and majesty of the story. It didn't feel like a cheesy action movie to me...the strength and depth of the characters was so moving. I inadvertently screamed at the top of my lungs when Gollum came up behind Sam on Mount Doom. And when he got the Ring...gasp...that's like something out of my worst nightmares. I kept wondering if I dreamed it. But I couldn't help feeling a pang of sorrow when Gollum fell into the fire. He was a nasty little thing...but so pitiable that I couldn't help feeling sorry for him. And the split-personality scene and the expression on his face when Sam is giving his speech in TT made me want to believe that there was some good in him. I cried when Merry and Pippin were separated, when Pippin sang, when Sam carried Frodo up the mountain. And I shrieked in fury and shock when Denethor went into his pyre-craze with Faramir. (I knew Faramir had to live to get with Eowyn...but still.)

I was satisfied with the way they did Shelob. Tolkien described her as so utterly repulsing in the books...the way she was "vast and bloated with the blood of her victims"...*shudder*...and I think they did a good job making her icky for the movie. When my mom came home from seeing it for the first time, she promptly went to clean out the bathroom and stomped on every single spider she could find.

Overall, I don't think the little (and not so little) things were able to block out the encompassing epic feeling of the story. I want to see it again. But by the time I do, I will probably have read the book, so then I'll let you know if my opinions have changed.

[Rhiannon]

Evil, evil, evil Kaia's computer!

But now I come in here and find that Rhiannon, who I very much respect, hated it, which puts me on very shaky ground.
No it doesn't! You can respect me and disagree all at once, it's that cool diversity thing we love so much...

I think I will enjoy the EE of RotK more. By then I will probably be less annoyed with the things they messed up.

And just think how much you're going to enjoy the book now!

[Niirewen]

I think my feelings about the movie are about the same as yours, Kailita. There were some parts of it that really disappointed me, but overall I was able to enjoy it.


I think I will enjoy the EE of RotK more.
Me too, I'm really looking forward to it, I think the EE will be so much better.

[HobbitGirl]

Time to give my eight dollars! :D

And yes, I am back from the dead! *walks around like a Resident Evil zombie*

Uhhhhh....

*snaps out of it*

Anyway.

Return of the King...oh my. If it doesn't win Best Picture I am going to pitch one heck of a fit.

Where to start...Ah yes. The beggining, naturally.

Merry and Pippin greeting Gandalf & Co. as they ride into Isengard: *chortles* 'Twas just how I imagined it.

Pippin finding the Palantir: *squeals with glee* That was EXACTLY how I pictured it in the book. And knowing full well that it's only Billy Boyd, after seeing that scene he'll always be Poor Little Pippin in my mind. It was so powerful. So...intense. So groovy. One thing I didn't like, however, was that Grima didn't chuck the thing out the window in the first place. That would've been fun to see. I was hoping to see that in the movie...imagining the look on Wormtounge's face as he lobs this stone out the window, trying to hit either Gandalf or Saruman or both...heh heh.

The Paths of the Dead: *grins* P.J. blew anything either myself or even Tolkien imagined of those ghosts right out of the water. And they weren't just your average dead dudes; they were rotting and translucent, they were all uniquely different from one another, they were very genuinely creepy, and they were GREEN. *Puckish personality votes for anything green* Even though I'd already read the book and knew what was going to happen, the suspense in that scene made me want to bite my nails (something I absolutly never do). I loved the way Viggo made the kingly aspect of Aragorn's personality shine through (for the first time in a great amount; yay for character development!) like a beacon in that scene. It was maavelous. :D

Shelob: *gasps* I was not dissapointed there. The scene with Samwise taking on Shelob armed with nothing but a little dagger was nothing short of incredible. Hobbit power! :D

Battle of Pelennor Feilds: Cool. Imense. Vast. The part when the Rohirrim charged in was, for some reason, far more dramatic and moving than in the book. The whole time the oliphaunts were squishing the Rohirrim, I wanted to shout out, "Not the legs, you idiots, go for the eyes! The eyes!" which proves the suspense of the moment. I didn't dig the thing with Legolas taking out a whole oliphaunt full of men plus the oliphaunt. Elves may be extremely savvy when it comes to fighting, but no Elf (living in the Third Age, anyway) is that savvy. I thought that particular bit was kinda lame. However, I split my sides when Gimli said, "That still only counts as one!" *giggles*

Denethor's Pyromania: I hated Denethor with a fiery passion the first time I read the book, and the movie made me hate him even more. P.J. did a great job of portraying how INSANE that tard muffin is. I cheered when Gandalf whacked Denethor with his staff. I also cheered when Denethor fell in flaming glory off the Tower of Ecthelion. However, I was really dissapointed that they never said in the movie how Denethor knew all the stuff about Sauron that he did...cause he's got a Palantir. I hope they include that in the extended version.

Eowyn at Pelennor Feilds: *growls in frustration* P.J. was WAY too skimpy on that scene. He cut down the "No mortal man am I" line, which I found highly irritating. He also made Eowyn look like somewhat of a wuss. *makes loud raging noise of frustration* THAT IS SIMPLY NOT COOL!! She shouldn't have had ANY vestige of fear on her face. She was suicidal at the time. Suicidal people don't usually fear for thier lives. Duh.

Another note about the Battle of Pelennor Fields: WHERE WAS THE SCENE WHERE GANDALF AND THE WITCH KING DUKE IT OUT AT THE GATES TO MINAS TIRITH?!?! ARG! That was one of my all-time favorite scenes in the book, and it's completely NON-EXISTANT in the movie! GRRRRR! They didn't even take off the Witch-King's helm to expose his fiery red mug. That was the scariest, most suspenseful part of the books for me! Of the entire books! I honestly thought Gandalf was going to kick the bucket again! *crosses all available fingers and toes that at least some vestige of that scene makes it into the extended version*

Frodo and Sam at Mount Doom: This one is an up-and-down for me, mostly an up because Gollum goes out in all the proper, necessary, flaming glory. :D ("Preciouuuuuuuussss!" Even though he didn't say it, he might as well have been. :D ) Even though I knew what was going to happen, I gasped and let out a loud squeal (to the rest of the theatre's annoyance) when Gollum whacked Sam with a rock. I also yelled out when Frodo and Gollum both fell off the cliff. "You can't kill Frodo, you twit!" I said. (Or something like it. :D) The part where Gollum jumps on Frodo's back and wrestles him for the Ring when Frodo was invisible I was dissapointed with. That could have been done far better. (The squirting blood was a nice touch, though. ;) ) I LOVED how the screen went dark after Frodo said, "This is the end of all things, Sam." It made one think the movie was going to end right there! It was a great touch.

The Coronation: Um...what happened to the Fields of Cormallen, pray tell? Oh well. The part where Arwen appears out of the woodwork and Aragorn tackles her is cute, but...WHAT ABOUT EOWYN AND FARMAIR?!? EH? EH? WHAT ABOUT THAT, EH?! The only affectionate interaction they had was that they SMILED at each other! They're supposed to FALL IN LOVE! They're supposed to GET MARRIED! AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGG!

Lack of the Scouring of the Shire: When I first heard that this part was going to be taken out I was greatly crestfallen. That was one of my favorite parts of the books, and one I kept reading over and over again. But I realized that it wouldn't do too well in a movie; the climax has already taken place, so to bring in a second one would make the movie seem...garrulous. So perhaps it was for the best to cut it out of the movie, but it still remains one of my favorite parts.

The Grey Havens: Wow. That's the best word for it. Wow. If I hadn't read the book already, I honestly would have cried. I was about to cry as it was. It was beautiful. I actually wish I wouldn't have read the book before hand, just so I could have enjoyed that part even more. Good job, P.J.

And now, for my biggest ROTK rant....
What. About. NARYA?!?!?!
Why, oh why, did they cut out the part where Gandalf shows his ring?! Was it really so hard for them to add three FREAKIN seconds to the movie for Gandalf to say, "Oh by the way, small people, check out my pretty ring." IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN!! When Gandalf shows his ring, you finally find out who he really is! (Besides the fact that he's a Maia; you'd have to read the Sil to know that.) He's a ringbearer! That explains an INSANELY LARGE amount of things that Gandalf did during the course of The Hobbit and all of LOTR. How many times did he just run off without an explaination? The excuse that he was in the Council of the Wise wasn't nearly good enough for me. Gandalf is a ring bearer; that explains a lot. It doesn't really seem like it would reveal very much, but if DOES if you think about it. For instance, it explains why Gandalf was such a pyro, why he was so good at fireworks, and why he had such incredible skill with wielding fire (as seen in the goblin caves in The Hobbit, sitting in the trees with the wargs surrounding them in The Hobbit, and the battle with the wargs at the foot of Caradhras in Fellowship). *prays and crosses fingers and does candle vigils in hope that part is included in extended edition*

There. That's probably a bit more than eight dollars. :D

One more thing. A ton of people complained that ROTK was too long. I thought it was too short.

:D

[mr underhill]

I thought it lost it's pacing somewhere near the end . However thisis by far my 7th favourite film of all time . I loved it . Memorable moments :


When Sam was told to go home i was in tears .
Old Bilbo ... hehe .
Sam carrying Frodo .
The nazgul owning the men of gondor with their winged steeds .
Denethors acrobatics .

[Kailita]

Oh my gosh, a Resident Evil zombie! *Runs about*

It's about time you checked back in here, HG! *Tackles*

Let's see, let's see...
I liked the part with Pippin and the Palantir, too. That's pretty much how I imagined it. (Except I always imagined them sleeping outdoors...but minor detail, offtopic...)

Okay guys, I have a confession. I was cheering and clapping while Legolas was climbing all over the oliphaunt. :D Even though I was half-fearing for his life at some parts, despite knowing that he had to end up going over the sea with Gimli. Go on, toss me with the preppy screaming fan girls (though I'm not that extreme). What can I say, I love Legolas. (NOT Orlando Bloom. Legolas.) *Holds out hands for manacles to be put on*.

Denethor and a Palantir...Gandalf and the Witch King...Gandalf and a ring of power? Wow. Now I want to read the book even more! Must slither out from all this schoolwork and find some free time to read!

There were a lot of multiple endings. I can understand how some people would think it was too long. But for me, it was like coming to the end of a very beloved book...you start dying a little as the pages left to read decrease. And with every fade-out I would hold my breath...and then let it out when I saw a new scene, excited that there was just a little more to enjoy.

[Niirewen]

What can I say, I love Legolas. (NOT Orlando Bloom. Legolas.)
Well, Kailita, I might as well join in your confessing.. because I love Legolas too. Although, like you, not to the extreme some other girls do. And the part with the oliphaunt wasn't my favorite, but I tolerated it. I mean, it's not very realistic, but he's an elf, and it was cool.

But as for the palantir.. I really didn't like this scene. I thought it was ridiculous- it looked like Pippin was wrestling with the globe, or it was electricuting him or something. That was not how it was described in the book anyway, which was how I have always (obviously) imagined it. In the book Pippin had the palantir between his legs, with his head bent over it and eyes glued onto it the whole time. But I can get over it- as far as trying not to let it get to me too much- but I can't help grimacing a little whenever I see this ridiculous scene.

Just my little thoughts. :)

[Sador]

Having been away from this forum for a while I have some catching up to do, but I thought I would add my two cents worth to the ROTK debate.
I agree totally with Rhiannon. What a dismally disappointing film. I've only seen it once and found it nearly impossible to fathom why PJ chose to make it the way he did. Is he just giving us a sub-standard film so we can all go buy the EE DVD on the promise that it will be better?
Very very disappointing.

[e.Blackstar]

I loved it!

before you disembowel me...I loved it...as a movie!

As a translation from the book...well...Eeeeeeeew!

Although, anything that he did correctly, he did really well.

I've seen it thrice, and got new insights each time.