Council of War [Archive] - THE TOLKIEN FORUM

Aerin

01-01-2002, 03:48 AM

Since it seems that the forum is heading toward war, why don't we specify which side we shall ally ourselves with?

At the moment, I am neutral. I will not support nor attack either side until I have chosen.

Ciryaher and Elessar - I gather that you are the heads of the opposing parties.
If you would post your views on the forthcoming war, that would be much appreciated!

Beorn

01-01-2002, 06:53 AM

With Ciryaher I stand.

Dengen-Goroth

01-01-2002, 03:14 PM

I as of now still stand on no one's sid, though I do have an alliance of sorts with Ciryaher. But, as the judge for what may turn this into less of a war, I am still Nuetral in my lands stretching from Harad to Mirkwood.

Tar-Ancalime

01-01-2002, 07:56 PM

And I agree with Dengen!

Reoko

01-01-2002, 09:15 PM

i stand on the side on which my queen stands. for i pledge my sword to her.

Tar-Ancalime

01-01-2002, 11:33 PM

Reoko,Isn't mordor Neutral,Dengen awhile ago swore no orc or troop shall fall in battle unless mordor is attacked.By doing what you did on Court of Arnor, that may jepardize your position

Talierin

01-01-2002, 11:46 PM

I am with whoever Mike is with.

Tar-Ancalime

01-01-2002, 11:51 PM

This war is going to have a disastoruous affect on the forum,the balance of power, the very delicate balance.

Chippy

01-02-2002, 03:06 AM

I agree with Mike....Ciryaher....

Tar-Ancalime

01-02-2002, 03:07 AM

is there a point to this???

Mithrandir

01-02-2002, 06:51 AM

Elessar is having trouble w/ his comp. so he can no really respond to this. So since this is the case and since I am really just as much a leader in this war as he(considering the war was declared on the White Council, not directly @ Elessar) I will state the case of the Wizards Side for Aerin.

The White Council is fighting in this war to rid the earth of the tyrany of Ciryaher. We have been watching him very carefully and are not pleased. To be quite honest we did not want it to be led to war, but little by little Ciryaher pushed us, until HE finally declared war against us, and not us against him. Ciryaher will rule his countries with an iron fist, like the tyrant he is. All he cares about is being entitled to a land so he may rule.

As well as this he has offended my council countless times. From charging a member of the White council, when he had done no real crime, to countlessly degrading my council w/ insults.

We will not stand for it, and we will now show our true power in the matter.

Elessar has his own reason's for war, and has had for a while, and will probably state his reasons as soon as he can. He also has many allies that are willing to die for him.

Aerin, other than the aforementioned, I pray that you join our side merely because you yourself are a White Wizard, and,therefore, have had war declared on YOU, by Ciryaher.

That is all I will say on the matter for now. Sicerely,
~Mithers

Eomer Dinmention

01-02-2002, 07:55 AM

As Being the King of Rohan i stand Neutral i only seek peace but if war ever occurs i shall stand with Ellesar as with the White Council i shall stand with Mith

Ciryaher

01-02-2002, 04:09 PM

Do not surmise to put words into the head of my Knight. I have given her permission to go to the side of her choosing, thus proving again that I am no tyrant.

Eomer, do not hide behind the veil of neutrality to stay out of conflict. You have already given the Council and its allies weapons and supplies, so you are obviously not neutral.

Kementari

01-02-2002, 04:55 PM

*sigh* I'm with Cirry i guess

Telchar

01-02-2002, 08:15 PM

The Dwarves of the Blue Mountains and the Misty Mountains have, as Dengen, an alliance of sorts with Ciryaher.. ..and will at his bidding close alle the mountain passes into Eriador.. ..but we wil not attack until we are attacked..

Dengen-Goroth

01-02-2002, 10:56 PM

I shall state things like this. A pledge of alliance I have with Arnor, though our past ha been bitter, but i throw away the dagger, Ciryaher is a great ally and friend. You speak bold words Mithrandir, very bold words, and I do not see where you power is, or your land. You are one of the Istari that are now here, are you not, a Maiar, as am I. Do not be so foolish as to bring forth war on Ciryaher, for who truly is your ally? Gondor, Mordor, and the great Dwarves are not with you, we have alliances with Arnor, and you have made no steps in speaking with me, for which the time long passed. These are the might of Middle Earth. Who do you have as allies? Rohan, the Shire shall not devote all of her power to this. I warn you to surrender or retreat over the Seas, for if not the result fr you, my fellow Maia, shall be horiffic.

Beorn

01-02-2002, 11:17 PM

Did anyone notice that Elessar hasn't posted since the 28th?

Dengen-Goroth

01-02-2002, 11:19 PM

Yes, he's been having Comp. problems like me back last week. When he arrives things will really heat up.

Tar-Ancalime

01-03-2002, 12:01 AM

Well said dengen...it is quiet without elessars constant whining.

Ciryaher

01-03-2002, 02:42 AM

Yes, it would be most unsatisfying to have to crush our enemies one at a time rather than all at once...

Tar-Ancalime

01-03-2002, 02:44 AM

I don't like war

Aerin

01-03-2002, 06:05 AM

*thinks about which side I shall join*

I am thinking, thinking...thinking! ;)

Tar-Ancalime

01-03-2002, 06:11 AM

Dark times theese are! I still think with Negotiations we could get the same exact things done!

Mithrandir

01-04-2002, 10:27 PM

Dengen, it was not me who brought war upon Ciryaher, but him who declared war on the White Council. We need no land and Elessar's allies are our allies. I fight on the side of Elessar and therefore will fight to protect his land, and my White Council. You state that you are my brethren, yet when the White Council, a group of the most powerful, well respected, and important Mair ever has been declared war upon you tell me, the leader and most powerful of them all to Reatreat!!!!!!! How could you??? I WILL NEVER RETREAT OR SURRENDER!!!!!! My power is not in land or allies, alone I could take out countless armies, you not not the power I possess, and when the White Council is put together in one place to fight, the power that will be present is unpresedented. Beware Ciryaher has no idea what he has unleashed this day.
~Mithers

Ciryaher

01-04-2002, 10:43 PM

Ha! You presume far too much. Your magic will not protect you forever, and your "big talk" will avail you less.

Dengen-Goroth

01-04-2002, 10:46 PM

Mithrandir, you surely can not claim to be the most powerful Maiar. Well respected? I know full well the powers of the Maia, and hold their powers myself. Yet our powers may be drained as well, and we are not as powerful as the Vala. How respected you are by Men may only show you spen your strengths upon them, though I may be mistaken. A show of power may garner their respect. Your powers may indeed be great, but the may be spent as well as mine...

Ciryaher

01-04-2002, 10:50 PM

Yes, don't presume that you are all-powerful in magic, because you have to remain in your area of practice. Don't think you are invincible because you happen to be the color White.

Mithrandir

01-04-2002, 10:59 PM

Ok, you guys are basing our powers on the powers of the wizards in the third age. This is the fourth as has been constantly proven by you. I created the wizards guild, thus deciding their powers. I am not invincible, but I am the leader of the wizards and thus the most powerful. Also we are allowed to show our full strength now in this world, the fourth age. I am not saying we are invincible, just really really strong.
~Mithers

Dengen-Goroth

01-04-2002, 11:05 PM

Ah, Indeed you may. But do you wish to? By doing so you shall be binging to death Men, and other such creatres, peraps even the first born. And as a Dark Lord, and a Maiar, I know it may seem like I don't really care, but I really wouldn't want to see my Fellow Maia "picking" on others. Come now, not all in the Wizards guild may claim to be Maia.

Mithrandir

01-04-2002, 11:37 PM

Not all my wizards are Mair. But ALL my White Wizards are. We will show are full power, even if we do not want to because war has been broiught upon US. It is what must be done, we can not help it. Some will die, but that can not be helped in war. Life is tough my friend.
~Mithers

Ness

01-04-2002, 11:49 PM

Mith i think you may be over exagerating...just a little. As a grey wizard, my allegance is with mith and elessar. But do not be to cocky Cir, you may think that "It would be verry disapointing to crush our enemys one at a time, rather than all at once..." but i assure you it will be much harder than you think. Just remember, the bigger army dosn't always win.

Kit Baggins

01-07-2002, 11:23 PM

I again pledge alliegance to Elessar, and I hope any other hobbits planning to take sides have the sense to join me.

~Kit :)

Ciryaher

01-08-2002, 12:34 AM

*sneers at that last pledge of alliegance*

My army is not the largest, but it consists of the best human soldiers (or perhaps any others, lest it be the Naugrim or the Elves tha no longer dwell in Middle-Earth). I claim that it would be a pity to singly crush our opponents one by one, and that it would be.

¤-Elessar-¤

01-08-2002, 01:26 AM

A pitty, but your joy.

AND, elves do yet live in middle earth, just not the Noldor.

Ciryaher

01-08-2002, 01:32 AM

Yes, and no. I would be a joy to me to slay my foes, but a pity that I would have to drag it out.

Few elves remain, even so. The silvan and sindar that remain keep mostly to themselves in their forests and are no longer soldiers as they were when there were many.

Kit Baggins

01-08-2002, 04:57 PM

.: :mad: glares at Cir, who is nearly twice his height :mad: :.
I side with who I like. I'm not scared of you! Just because I'm a hobbit doesn't mean I can't fight when I feel like it.

Elessar, do you think that counts as a threat?
(remember Ciryaher, the hobbits are still under Elessar's protection)

~Kit, the angry and offended hobbit :mad:

¤-Elessar-¤

01-08-2002, 05:26 PM

*smiles and pats the stout hobbit on the top of his head.

"good for you, kit, it seems that we are some of the only ones not afraid to stand up to a menace like him" *Turns to Ciryaher and glares at him, he wisperes something inaudiable to the rest of the people in the forum.

Tar-Ancalime

01-08-2002, 08:46 PM

what was that...you called kem a what!
that's just as bad as striking a lady

Ness

01-09-2002, 02:13 AM

Hey, no low blows, if this war ever ends, i do want Kem to come back and join my wizards guild, she was once a part of it...until we went to war...but she'll be back. Hey Elessar, what about me? im not afraid to stand up to Cir...of course, if you listed everyone, the post would proably never end...:D

Kit Baggins

01-09-2002, 01:41 PM

.:Kit is encouraged by his earlier effort in standing up to Cir:.

If he ever threatens me again, I'll... I'll... I'll stand on a chair and give him the nose-punching of a lifetime :D !!!!

~Kit :p

Khamul

01-09-2002, 02:56 PM

I side with Mith and the rest of my fellow wizards in this war against the wretched filthy creatures that Mordor controls and dont diss on hobbits anyone who eats like 5 meals a day rocks

Ciryaher

01-09-2002, 04:17 PM

*looks venerably at the young hobbit*

Although the Shire is under my protection, you still follow Elessar...but I hold nothing against you or your kindred. I have given all of those that head Arnorian provinces (Aerin, Aredhel, and my Lady Kementari, and my friend Talierin) freedom to choose with whom they might side, and all have pledged to follow me. You still think me a tyrant? Look at deeds, and do not heed what others may tell you; for a one who is wise perceives with his own eyes and not those of others.

Jahrdur

01-10-2002, 03:10 AM

Greetings to all in these times of Chaos!

I was considering joining the Rohirrim--not because I like them, though, I like a desperate fight--in this war, but their leader is too timid (Eo[r]mer I believe?). Elessar is very crude, even by my standards, and even though I like an unfair fight, I won't side with someone who has odds THAT low. The White Council would be an option if a lot of the weak rabble were thrown out, but (seeing as they are there) I refuse that option.

I will stick with what I know (that being victory and ripping the hearts out of my enemies without worrying about being chastised) and side with Dengen-Goroth and his allies.

Mithrandir

01-10-2002, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by Jahrdur
The White Council would be an option if a lot of the weak rabble were thrown out, but (seeing as they are there) I refuse that option.
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What the heck are you trying to say by that man, I would like to no seeing as you have never even talked w/ me or any of my Council.
~Mithers

Eomer Dinmention

01-10-2002, 09:08 AM

I am not scared of anything i will fight if Rohan are attacked I only wish that this wars doesn't start for alot of men shall die and other races

and I agree with Mith you haven't even talked with me i didn't even know you exist

Ciryaher

01-10-2002, 04:03 PM

Seeing as Jahrdur is not able to get on very often, he is perfectly capable of reading all of your (and my) posts. Don't get mad because he doesn't see things your way.

And, he's been around since not too long after this forum was created, FYI.

¤-Elessar-¤

01-10-2002, 04:29 PM

Good for you, Jahrdur, way to admit your shallowness. I wish everyone else would, those of us with valor, honor, and principle fight still and always for the side of good, remember that! Ciryaher makes war upon me, and me alone, for personal injuries, and I would apoligise for them if he would let up, but if he wants a battle of the minds i shall give him one! Fools die by folly!

Ciryaher

01-10-2002, 11:54 PM

Battle of minds? I wish for no "Battle of Minds". I much prefer a battle of weapons and strategems, not one of thought.

Do not point out anyone's shallowness until you point out your own. Ever since you attempted to incite a rebellion against me, you have always been quick to call others false. Hasty have you been to call others fools. You gather allies to yourself by lies and twisted truths, and then you run away with your tail between your legs, acting hurt and downtrodden. Much do you remind me of Grima son of Galmod, the cunning liar long ago, and you should adjust your mask ere it is torn from your serpentine visage.

¤-Elessar-¤

01-11-2002, 02:14 AM

I have done naught save start a rebellion out of stupidity, of which I have claimed many a time. I established a realm, in peace, and you come over and act all big and bad with your "arnorian empire" army. My allies receive full truth and honesty, and, as for the only one I have ever had leave, you were in his ear also, were you not? I point it out now, I am a bit shallow, and am quick to jump to a brawl, especially if one of my friends is in dire need. And have I not proved myself often when I call false, it isnt my fault if you are the "picture male" and think yourself always right. My tail is where it is simply to protect things I hold dear (not such a literal interpritation on the preceding). You make a mistake every time you insult me, and a bigger one every time you doubt me.

oh, and a battle of "strategems" is the same as a battle of the minds, it is just harder to spell. Weapons will avail not at your monitor, and I wish only that once you could taste some of the seven foot of steel of my scottish breadcutter, then the real man would be decided. Mighty you hold yourself to be at a pittiful forum, but how does that twist to form your real self?

So tell me, Ciryaher, what are you saying in the above post. Are you calling me coward? Hypocrite? or Liar? For in my mind they all three fit your hide.

Kementari

01-11-2002, 02:36 AM

ELESSAR GO TO HE**
*gasp* i swore :rolleyes:

Ciryaher

01-11-2002, 02:39 AM

No, I do not call you a hypocrite, but I do call you a coward. The liar part can wait.

Perhaps I was misinterpreting your Battle of Minds (which to me sounds like mere tongue lashing), so that is a given.

I will not pretend to like you, and I care little for your thoughts of me. Thus, I care little of your Scottish weapons, and more so since I will never be able to crush you with a maul, either.

¤-Elessar-¤

01-11-2002, 03:52 PM

coward, I was not the one who ordered my army to settle a personal dispute. And I have never asked you to pretend to like me, as I would have to vomit all day due to bad acting. You would never get close enough to use a frail mace on me, i would have to suggest you use a bow- the weapon of one afraid to get their hands dirty.

Ciryaher

01-11-2002, 04:00 PM

Afraid to get my hands dirty? I could kill you and not think twice about it! Get my hands dirty...Ha! And I said maul, not mace.

Call me coward all you want, but I'm not the one who constantly whines when things don't go your way (which is always, so you always whine).

I bring an army to fight a war; I bring myself to settle the dispute.

¤-Elessar-¤

01-11-2002, 04:43 PM

a maul...oh wait, isnt that a fancy name for a wood-splitter/ sledge hammer type thing? We have one of those out in the back yard. and that still wouldnt reach me, so there isnt really much difference. Do I whine now? no, I dont. And I'll admit, I whine sometimes, but I did get RP8 restarted, didnt I? I saw you come not to settle a dispute, which we clearly have. Dont twist your words, Ciryaher, 'cause I shall continue to untwist them, for those people who prefer them that way.

Ciryaher

01-12-2002, 04:21 AM

Yes, a maul is an iron wedge on the end of a rod.

I tire of the insolence that surrounds me. Be gone, and sail away on your little boat, or travel wherever you please, but not in Arnor or the lands of my Allies. I will find you if ever you do, and you will live in pain until I tire of hearing your beastial screams of agony.

*OOC: You are on the edge of a razor, you have engraged me in-character. Step out of line and get me p***ed off out of character and I guarantee you WILL suffer the consequences.*

Kit Baggins

01-13-2002, 07:16 PM

Too late, Cir- I already told Elessar he was welcome in the Shire.
*And I will fight to protect him if I have to*

~Kit :mad:

Ciryaher

01-14-2002, 03:32 AM

You may tell Elessar he is welcome in your land if you please, but if he is found there, those who hide him will be dealt with as traitors; for not only has he caused great disorder about Middle-Earth, he has convinced you that he is worth protecting (which he is not).

Kit Baggins

01-14-2002, 10:57 PM

I would rather fight for his cause than yours!

~Kit

Ciryaher

01-15-2002, 04:10 PM

I have no cause other than Arnor, and Elessar's so-called "cause" is nothing more than an attempt to cause chaos throughout the lands.

What is his cause, my good hobbit? What is his purpose? What does he hope to obtain? Answer me that, and perhaps I will give more consideration to such "causes".

Mithrandir

01-15-2002, 08:13 PM

Ciryaher I have an issue here. I am now a member of your council you know, so I am not against you any longer, but you say that I can not have Elessar abode w/ me w/out being declared a traitor. You see Elessar is still my friend and one of my Wizards in the Wizards Guild, and by our law, one of his homes is in Rohan @ the House of Wizards. So you see where my issues lie, now I don't want you to think that I am just here to betray you, because my intentions are for peace alone. To be quite honest I would love to see you and Elessar come to a peace, but I know it will never happen, you both feel to strongly on destrying one another. Basicly I want permission to house Elessar, if he is w/ me or one of my White Council. Will you grant this?
~Mithers

¤-Elessar-¤

01-15-2002, 09:03 PM

What's that, Ciryaher? You want my cause? Well, I have previously stated that the rebellion was born out of Stupidity, and its cause died with the coming of my knowledge.
Then I established Arandor, just to get out of everyones way, that is when you declaired war upon the council, and my cause became to defend and protect my friends and colligues(sp).
You then declaired war upon me, and for what reason? You say it is because of havoc I have caused, but what is that? My cause as of now and of late has been defending myself and friends from you and your obsession with power. My cause is self defence, and with it I plan to fulfil old oaths. Do not badger my friends for their beleifs, because they made them of their own accord, I only served to counter your sweet tounge.

Tar-Ancalime

01-15-2002, 09:34 PM

Cant we just be friends!

¤-Elessar-¤

01-15-2002, 11:57 PM

No, we can't!
Especially if he is going to come here and post about me lying (which is a lie) when I am not here to reply, the fu.....

*cools off

Ok, here is the deal, if no one replys to my thread about my journies than I shall consider your consent given. If you dont have anything to say then you dont have an oppinion on the subject.

Ciryaher

01-16-2002, 02:25 AM

I do not permit Elessar to be housed in Arnor. Those elsewhere may do what they please with him...

*pauses in consideration*

Take that back. I am tired of this bickering, though I admit much blame lies on my shoulders. I will 'bury the hatchet' for now, Elessar. You are free to move about my lands, but you must first report to Annuminas to receive my official pardon.

I will promise to stop being belligerent.