Happenings in the Guild-archive

[gate7ole]

For everyone interested, the new debate will eventually start after the holidays, since many of us may want to pass their time with their families.
But the invitation still holds and everyone who wants to participate should post here. Soon after the New Year's Day, the debate will start.

[Lhunithiliel]

Originally posted by Hirila
A new debate? I'm in, if you let me join.

I'm sorry I didn't appear oftener in the Guild, but I didn't even have the time to take a look at the forum itself. So, please excuse my absence. I am sure I will come here everyday after New Year when I should learn for my exams. It's a bad thing hanging around here when I should learn but that's me.

I hope I'm not too late or did miss too much.

BTW: Lhun: I'm sure with you we have a great deputy Guild Master. You are definitely one of those who contribute most. Not quantitavely but qualitatively. Congrats to Gate7ole, too.
Gee, Hirila, thank you! :D
This coming from an expert!!!!!
I was wondering where you have been lately!
It would be great to have you in a debate or and any other activity!

[Mrs. Maggott]

I should certainly like to be considered as a possible debater if there is room. I have done a little debating but I'm sure not on the level that will take place here in the Guild. Indeed, it would be prudent of me to remain silently on the sidelines and see what my betters do.

Of course, I will let you know about my final involvement when the topic is decided. There are parts of Tolkien's writings with which I am only superficially familiar so if the topic is not that well known to me, I will step aside in favor of someone who will do it more justice.

Still, I'd like to let the moderators and judges know I am interested. :)

[Lhunithiliel]

As I have been missing the presence of the Guild-Master, I e-mailed him.

Here is what he wanted me to tell you that he's very much busy and unfortunately his father is not well again.
He will be back in the Forum probably in January.
He also wished us all Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

[Mrs. Maggott]

Just in case my brain slips into "neutral" again, I would like to take this opportunity to wish all my fellow Guild member (and everyone on the forum) a blessed Holiday Season - past and present - a most blessed Christmas and a healthy, prosperous and joyous New Year to all!

In this little corner of the universe, we are the priviledged witnesses to what mankind is supposed to do with the intellect God has given us: appreciate, discuss, debate and befriend.

God bless! :)

[Walter]

Originally posted by Mrs. Maggott
Just in case my brain slips into "neutral" again, I would like to take this opportunity to wish all my fellow Guild member (and everyone on the forum) a blessed Holiday Season - past and present - a most blessed Christmas and a healthy, prosperous and joyous New Year to all!

In this little corner of the universe, we are the priviledged witnesses to what mankind is supposed to do with the intellect God has given us: appreciate, discuss, debate and befriend.

God bless! :) My sincerest thanks, Mrs. Maggott, I'd like to wish you and everyone from the "Maggott's family" as well as everyone else at this guild and TTF a Merry Christmas.

Wise words you spoke: "appreciate, discuss, debate and befriend", I could only add: "and enjoy it..."

[Elennainie]

Just in case my brain slips into "neutral" again, I would like to take this opportunity to wish all my fellow Guild member (and everyone on the forum) a blessed Holiday Season - past and present - a most blessed Christmas and a healthy, prosperous and joyous New Year to all!
Thank you very much, Mrs. M! Merry Christmas to you and to the rest of the guild and forum as well! :) And come celebrate Christmas in the Hall of Creative endeavors - we're swapping recipes! :)

[Nenya Evenstar]

To everyone in the Guild of Tolkienology! Please make a stop by the Tolkienologist's Hall for Creative Endeavors and help us celebrate Christmas and the New Year! There will be plenty of food, laughter, and song to satisfy all kinds, and I can assure you that it will be an experience well worth your time. I hope to see you there! :)

[Lhunithiliel]

I WISH YOU A MERRY CHRISTMAS,
I WISH YOU A MERRY CHRISTMAS,
I WISH YOU A MERRY CHRISTMAS
AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!

I most sincerely wish ALL MY GUILD-MATES a lot of happiness and let for all of you the new year be luckier, better and more successful than ever ! :D

Lhun

[Nenya Evenstar]

And may the same wish be your's, my dearest Lhun! A merry Christmas to you as well, and may the cheer that you spread never end! :)

[pohuist]

Merry Christamas and Happy New Year, everybody. May you and your families leave in the old year all you want to leave behind and bring to the new year only what you want to have.

[gate7ole]

Merry Chirstmas to all of you!
Many wishes for the holidays.
Guys and girls, I'm glad that I'm part of this wonderful group.

[Lhunithiliel]

Soon there will be a system for assigning ranks within the Guild. Gate7ole and I are working on it and as soon as it is ready (sooner than you think ;) :p !) we will offer it to ALL of you - present, former and newest members:
> to the newcommers - in order to get a respective rank
> to the present members - in order to get a higher rank, if they wish
> to the former members - in case some of them decide to come back ;)

Lhun

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
Soon there will be a system for assigning ranks within the Guild. Gate7ole and I are working on it and as soon as it is ready (sooner than you think ;) :p !) we will offer it to ALL of you - present, former and newest members:
> to the newcommers - in order to get a respective rank
> to the present members - in order to get a higher rank, if they wish
> to the former members - in case some of them decide to come back ;)

Lhun
This sound very interesting cause I want to higher my rank to an expert level.When are you going to post some more info about the new system?

[Lhunithiliel]

For this we should wait for the Guild-Master to return :)

[gate7ole]

ATTENTION
From behalf of the Deputy Masters of the Guild, I announce the beginning of the PROBATION PERIOD. It will last a month (until the end of January).
During this probation period every guild member shall prove his/her willingness to seriously and productively contribute for the Guild's work. Replying to this post isn’t necessary. What is necessary is the participation in some of the activities of the guild. After the end of it, the members that didn’t show such a willingness will unfortunately lose their membership.
The reason for the probation period is to free some spots for new members who will be more eager to contribute. Besides, the inactive members probably won’t care about their removal. Most members are known to us and they won’t have any problem at all to show their active involvement. To the few that have not been heard for months, this is their chance to return.
This probation period (but much shorter) will be also used for every new applicant in the future.
Thank you for your attention.

[Grond]

I want to apologize to everyone in the guild for my continued absence. My father has been extremely ill and passed away early this morning of congestive heart failure. I will appreciate everyone's prayers and thoughts during this time of loss.

I've missed everyone and hope to soon be back in full participation. Special thanks to Gate and Lhun for taking charge in my absence. I wish all of you a happy new year and take solace in knowing that my father is now with my mother.

Peace to all.

[FoolOfATook]

You have both my thoughts and prayers. I'm deeply sorry for your loss.

[Mrs. Maggott]

My dear Grond:

My prayers are with you and your family in this time of loss. Nothing anyone can say can console you, so I won't try. I just want you to know that you are in our prayers as is your Dad. May God bless and keep you all.

[Lhunithiliel]

Master, I am so deeply sorry for your father and you!
So, sorry!!!!!

[Húrin Thalion]

I feel very sorry for you and your family.

Húrin Thalion

[Elennainie]

Grond,

You have my prayers as well.

[gate7ole]

Grond, we are all very sorry for your loss. It is sad that you lost your father this holy days. May he rest in peace.

[Ceorl]

My apologies, for my recent absence, I have not posted at all for several weeks I think, since I have been on holiday, however I am now back for about a week during which time I will be active, before going away again for another five days before the school term starts again for me. Just to let you all know that I haven't deserted you.

My sincerest condolances to you and your family Grond. You will all be in my prayers.

"Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted" Matthew 5:4

"Who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God"
2 Corinthians 1:4

[gate7ole]

At the guild of the Scholars a discussion about the Book of Lost Tales (HOME I) is about to start. It will probably follow the form of the Silmarillion discussions (chapter by chapter).
Everyone is welcome.
I will personally participate since it will enhance my knowledge about these early "gems" written by the professor. I advise anyone who owns a copy of this book to participate too.

For more info follow the link (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7559&pagenumber=2)

[Mithlond]

I'm very sorry for the loss of your father, Grond. I myself had a very traumatic christmas season this year, with my father nearly dying in a terrible situation that im not really comfortable speaking of at the moment. Fortunatly he is in hospital now and is alive and well.
Anyway, my thoughts and prayers go out to you Grond.

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by Mithlond
I'm very sorry for the loss of your father, Grond. I myself had a very traumatic christmas season this year, with my father nearly dying in a terrible situation that im not really comfortable speaking of at the moment. Fortunatly he is in hospital now and is alive and well.
Anyway, my thoughts and prayers go out to you Grond.

Mithlond, my prayers are with you and your dad and the rest of your family. Hopefully, he will make a full recovery. And, of course, my dear Grond, I will continue to pray for you and your family on your tragic loss. This is an especially hard time of the year for such things to occur. May God grant you the consolation of His Peace.

God bless.

[Elennainie]

I myself had a very traumatic christmas season this year, with my father nearly dying in a terrible situation that im not really comfortable speaking of at the moment. Fortunatly he is in hospital now and is alive and well.
I am very sorry to hear of this, Mithlond. Your father and you and your family will be in my thoughts and prayers.

[pohuist]

Dear Grond,

Please receive my sincere condolences. I am thinking of you. I also lost my father during holiday season, just a few years ago, so for me this time of year will always be bittersweet. May you father rest in peace.

[Lhunithiliel]

Boys, please, don't get gloomy!
We are but mortals! Noone can escape this fate!

I am so sorry from the bottom of my heart for your relatives!
My parents are still alive and thank goodness their health is for the moment all right.... But when I think about the years to come and that one day I will loose them.... It HURTS!!! It hurts so sharply!
That's why I ..... think I can understand your pain!
And I am so very much sorry that you had to "drink" this bitter "cup" of life!

Please, accept my deepest simpathy!

But let's not allow sorrow overcome us! We have to live on. One day we're going to leave this world too. I only wish I knew where do people's souls go after that!

Would it be silly to think that this energy, we call "soul", goes back to its origins.....wherever and whatever those might be?.....
Silly.... Perhaps....But it helps me overcome the pain that I feel when I hear of a good person that has left this world.... I'd like to think that the most important part of a person - his/her essence, goes on living.... somewhere....in some form.....
*************

Pohuist, it's strange but I have been just thinking of you and that I haven't "seen" you for a long time........And the next moment I saw your post! Amazing!
I am glad that you are back!

[Mrs. Maggott]

I have lost both my parents; my dad in 1986, my mom in 1993. This last September, I lost my only sibling, my sister who was four years older than I. Of course, at my age, these things are considered "natural", but it doesn't make it hurt any the less, especially during the Christmas season which was always a big family time for us.

As for going on, well that has been promised to us, hasn't it. Furthermore, I am rather of the opinion of Alfred Lunt, the male partner in the famous theatrical couple, Lunt and Fontaine. The two were appearing in a play in a European capital when war broke out and their hotel was involved in shelling. Lynne Fontaine, grabbed her husband in fear as glass and plaster showered them during the bombardment and begged him to comfort her that should they die that very night, they would be together "in a better world".

"Frankly, my dear", he said, "I simply cannot imagine 'closing' here and not 'opening' someplace else!"

God bless.

[Lhunithiliel]

YES!!!!!

I have just returned from the theatre where I FINALLY watched the film!!!

FANTASTIC!!!

For the moment this perhaps is all I can say, for I feel so excited and the pictures are so vivid in my mind, that I shall need a few days to “digest” all and share my opinion.

Besides, it was a very special day for me! First, one of the biggest newspapers in North-Western Bulgaria published my article on a WHOLE PAGE! This is the second time my TTT-movie dedicated article is being published. First time it was on December 19-th in a newspaper for culture, literature and art. But they took a much shorter version. Now, I had a WHOLE PAGE!!!!!
Am I not proud!!!!! ;)

And then I went to see the movie….

FANTASTIC !!!!

Perhaps I’m being too emotional, too immodest, too excited….
But… Hey! I deserve it, don’t I!!!!

Just wanted to share this with you! :)

A very excited and happy Lhun

[Elennainie]

A big congratulations on getting your articles published, Lhun - that's wonderful!!!! You should be proud!

[gate7ole]

Originally posted by Elennainie
A big congratulations on getting your articles published, Lhun - that's wonderful!!!! You should be proud!
Congratulations! Can you share with us your article?

And by the way, I didn't like the movie. I believe Tolkien's atmosphere was destroyed in favor of impressionism.

[Lhunithiliel]

Thank you very much!
Share the article with you? With pleasure.......though what will you understand? It's in Bulgarian! :D

And gate7ole, you..... you.......
Well, I DID!
It is a FILM, for Christ sake! 3 hours can NEVER be able to tell the true story!
I don't say I liked everything, but...
Oh! I'm sorry! This is not the place for such discussions!:eek:

[Lhunithiliel]

As I've been asked, here how it looks like in the newspaper.
I've circled my name ;)

[Finduilas]

Hey,that's great Lhun.
Tell me when didi the newspaper come out,because I want to read that article.:)
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Taka e nii balgarite sme nai-pe4eni;) :p

[Húrin Thalion]

Great Lhun! Would you care to translate it to English sometimes, I would very much like to read it. :)

I just wanted to say that I am sorry that I have not been able to participate as much in this guild as I would like the last week, I have been doing some writing and it feels like it sucks my soul out, even if I am not happy with the little I have written. Though I will maybe not be so exhausted by it in a short time as I usually do after writing a while it has been tiresome, I apologize once again.

Húrin Thalion

[Lhunithiliel]

The Title is: ""The Two Towers" is not just an action movie, but a deep philosophy" and the second title runs "We shall watch a great battle between Rohan and Saruman"
Now, I can of course translate it, but it will not be of any value to you, my Guild-mates, YOU - Experts and Masters in Tolkien, who know so much about the events.
The reason I wrote the article was that Tolkien is not widely known here. People go to see the movie and they have not the slightest idea who is who, what is what, why are things happening...... The day I went to see the movie, right next to me was sitting a man, who had never heard of Tolkien AND!!! who had not even seen the first installment of the screen version!!!!!!
So, I actually wrote what I wrote in order to let people know what they were going to see when they go to the thratres - the main events in the TTT, the main characters....Well there was of course some analyses, but just a little. There was a shorter article, the first published in the other newspaper, that dealt more with analyses.

Well, enough of this, or I'm starting to feel as if I'm occupying your attention with personal matters....

Thanks for the attention, however!!!! :D

Oh, Finduilas, to answer your question, it is a dayly newspaper and it came out right on January 10-th.

[Mrs. Maggott]

My dear Lhun, how can you think you are "taking our time" with "personal" matters? Your article sounds fascinating (and it's too bad that Mr. Jackson didn't have a chance to read it before he began "fleshing out" his plot theme for TTT, it might have assisted him greatly).

It would be wonderful if you could at least translate the "themes" you developed even if the entire thing is too long for you to do.

Thanks again for sharing.

[Nóm]

All of you Tolkienologists are invited to the chapter by chapter discussion of The Book of Lost Tales! :D

It's just starting wth a discussion of the Foreword, over in the guild of Scholars.

I hope to see some of you guys over there!

Maybe even all of you? ;)

[Lhunithiliel]

It's splendid, Nom!
Thank you for the invittation!!! :)

[FoolOfATook]

And it was Nom the fair and wise who offered forth the olive branch between the rival factions, and so there came to be peace between the Guilds of Tolkienology and Scholars... ;)

[Lhunithiliel]

Yes, friends,
I've received news from Grond and he asked me to tell you all that he is back and that he would be so hppy to "see" us again!
He'll be "active" starting Monday.

Welcome, Master! :)

I'm so glad that you're back!

[Mrs. Maggott]

We must all have a dish of mushrooms and a glass of wine (or beer - or cider for you youngsters) in honor of the return of the Guild Master. May 2003 be a better year for him and his family. God bless. :)

[Lhunithiliel]

Yeah! :D
But... while you're having your drinks would you mind reading and answering to this (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8974) ?
Please??????

[Gil-Galad]

Cider?!!?!?!?
Hey our master is back.So we should celebrate it with something stronger!Let's drink some vodka or at least some rakia(bulgarian national drink,one of the strongest in the whole world)!!!!!

WELCOME MASTER!!!!! :)

[Finduilas]

Hey our master is back.So we should celebrate it with something stronger!Let's drink some vodka or at least some rakia(bulgarian national drink,one of the strongest in the whole world)!!!!!

Rakia!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey you don't want to make the Master drunk on the first day?:p

Welcome Master!

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Finduilas
Rakia!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey you don't want to make the Master drunk on the first day?:p

Welcome Master!
Not he,I'll drink it!:cool:

[Finduilas]

Come down,Gil.
Soon you are having a namesday!;) ...:p

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Finduilas
Come down,Gil.
Soon you are having a namesday!;) ...:p
Only 4 days!I can't calm down.......:mad: :mad: :mad: ...it is coming!It will be a long expected great party!

[Finduilas]

And there will be so much,much,much rakia!!:p :p :p
But actually you have the trainning.:p

[gate7ole]

I opened three threads in the books section. Everyone who is interested, is welcome to participate:
Are the Silvan Elves Avari? (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9097)
King Bladorthin (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9095)
Uniqueness of perfection (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9096)

[pohuist]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
Pohuist, it's strange but I have been just thinking of you and that I haven't "seen" you for a long time........And the next moment I saw your post! Amazing!
I am glad that you are back!

I was never per se away, but I am working 2 jobs now and its hard to find time to post.

Being mortal is a gift from Iluvatar to men; when you come too close to death you understand the value of life much better and start thinking of whether you use yours the way you should have.

About the movie, don't even start me with Legolas on snowboard and deletion of Huorns. I basically concur with Mrs. Maggot, only I am bitter (I usually am -- see TTT reviews in the movie section if interested)

Welcome back master, I've really missed you.

[gate7ole]

DEBATE

I announce the topic of the new debate of our guild:

What would the situation in the Shire have been if Saruman hadn't come there?

Team A: Situation would have been much the same as described in the “Scouring of Shire.
Team B: Situation would have been as normal as hobbit life can be.

Everyone who is interested should PM me (except those who have already accepted to participate). By Sunday I will have formed the two Teams and the debate will start on Wednesday

PS. I forgot to say that the topic was proposed by Hirila.

[Elennainie]

:confused: This will be my very first debate, so forgive the stupid question, but what do we do now? I assume we research the topic? Also, do the team members PM each other and decide their argument together or does everyone just work solo and post solo?

[Anamatar IV]

Wait, I have a question concerning this debate:

Is this really a suitable debate? Is team A suggesting that the southrons would come without Saruman? Please, do explain because I think I am at a bit of a loss here.

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by Anamatar IV
Wait, I have a question concerning this debate:

Is this really a suitable debate? Is team A suggesting that the southrons would come without Saruman? Please, do explain because I think I am at a bit of a loss here.

I may misunderstand it myself, but I believe the question concerned Saruman's actual presence in the Shire rather than the presence of his minions. The argument therefore would center around whether his minions would have been able to do what they did (or would they have even bothered to do so) without his presence - or was his presence necessary.

If I am incorrect in this translation of the question, it would be deeply appreciated if the correct premise were stated beyond all possibility of error.

Thanks!

[gate7ole]

by Mrs. Maggott
I may misunderstand it myself, but I believe the question concerned Saruman's actual presence in the Shire rather than the presence of his minions. The argument therefore would center around whether his minions would have been able to do what they did (or would they have even bothered to do so) without his presence - or was his presence necessary.
This is exactly the topic of the debate. Along with whether the hobbits would resist more if Saruman was absent.

by Elennainie
This will be my very first debate, so forgive the stupid question, but what do we do now? I assume we research the topic? Also, do the team members PM each other and decide their argument together or does everyone just work solo and post solo?

Before searching, you should wait to see to which Team you will belong (which I will post by Sunday). The debate will be move to start on Wednesday, to give you more time to prepare.
During (and before) the debate, the members of each team usually PM each other to have a common course of arguments. But it is not mandatory.

[Hirila]

I believe the question concerned Saruman's actual presence in the Shire rather than the presence of his minions. The argument therefore would center around whether his minions would have been able to do what they did (or would they have even bothered to do so) without his presence - or was his presence necessary.
Yes, that is what I intended in presenting such a topic.
Use your imagination: What had happened in the Shire, what would have happened if the facts had been different. If Saruman hadn't come there.

Debates rely on the participants belonging to a team representing one idea on the topic. This idea is not necessarily your own opinion, it may be the very reversed. But as a member of that team you are meant to post arguments for your side not your opinion .

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by Hirila
Yes, that is what I intended in presenting such a topic.
Use your imagination: What had happened in the Shire, what would have happened if the facts had been different. If Saruman hadn't come there.

Debates rely on the participants belonging to a team representing one idea on the topic. This idea is not necessarily your own opinion, it may be the very reversed. But as a member of that team you are meant to post arguments for your side not your opinion .

Absolutely. One posts arguments to support whatever side one is on even if one holds beliefs diametric to that side. It is very important that the members of a team get together and divide the response so that the same points aren't made several times while some other points are missed. Furthermore, the team members making the opening and closing statements should also be chosen; the closing statement should be a summary of all the points made by the team. There should also be a moderator on the thread to be sure everyone posts in order and that mistakes are quickly addressed (a person posting too soon, too late, out of order or some other problem).

Also, judging is done the same way. It is not for the judge to decide which side is right, but rather, which side presented its argument most convincingly. Therefore, judges should not enter the thread until the debate is completed and all sides have posted, nor should the judge do any "research" on the topic in order to ascertain which side is, as noted, "correct". Of course, this is a very subjective debate, so the possibility of there being a factual answer which would preclude one side or the other is moot.

[gate7ole]

The Teams of the debate are the following:

Team A: Celebrien , Elennainie, Gil-Galad, Húrin Thalion, Melian
Team B: Anamatar VI, Finduilas, FoolOfAtook, Mrs. Maggott

If someone else shows interest in participating until Wednesday, s/he will be put in Team B.

The debate starts on Wednesday and will last almost two weeks until the next Sunday (February 9th).
The judges of the debate are: Hirila, Lhunithiliel and myself.

On Wednesday I will open the thread of the debate. Until then, the teams can organize their arguments. The only books that can be used in the debate are the Lotr books.

Have fun!

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by gate7ole
The Teams of the debate are the following:

Team A: Celebrien , Elennainie, Gil-Galad, Húrin Thalion, Melian
Team B: Anamatar VI, Finduilas, FoolOfAtook, Mrs. Maggott

If someone else shows interest in participating until Wednesday, s/he will be put in Team B.

The debate starts on Wednesday and will last almost two weeks until the next Sunday (February 9th).
The judges of the debate are: Hirila, Lhunithiliel and myself.

On Wednesday I will open the thread of the debate. Until then, the teams can organize their arguments. The only books that can be used in the debate are the Lotr books.

Have fun!
I'm sorry, but my mind is on "neutral" at the moment. Which side of the debate does each team take? I'd really like to know before I begin to think about my responses (obviously!). Also, will we post according to a set schedule or will it be up to the teams as to who does what? I assume that the team defending the premise will post first, followed by the opposition and then back and forth until the final post, but if I'm wrong, please let me know. Thanks.

[FoolOfATook]

Mrs. Maggot: I believe that our team is arguing the position
"Situation would have been as normal as hobbit life can be." At least, that's what Team "B" is given the issue assignment.

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by FoolOfATook
Mrs. Maggot: I believe that our team is arguing the position
"Situation would have been as normal as hobbit life can be." At least, that's what Team "B" is given the issue assignment.

Thank you. I don't know what you and the other team members wish to do; just let me know and I will comply with the wishes of the team.

[gate7ole]

Sorry for the teams, I thought you knew the sides. Well, here they are:

Team A: Situation would have been much the same as described in the “Scouring of Shire".
Team B: Situation would have been as normal as hobbit life can be.

As for the way that each Team will act, it is up to the members of the team. Someone may feel to post more frequently than other members. It is not that important.

But I will fill you in with the tules of the debate when I open the thread. For now, it should be sufficient to know which side you are.

[FoolOfATook]

I'd like to go ahead and offer forth a resolution that both sides refer to years using Shire-Reckoning during the debate, for reasons that I would imagine are quite clear to all parties involved. These are what I'm already using in my notes for the debate, and I can't imagine that anyone has any objections.

Eagerly awaiting a stimulating intellectual confrontation,

[Hirila]

Many thanks to gate7ole for starting this debate.

I hope the teams have a fine and fair debate. May the best team win!

See you there.

[Finduilas]

Ok, I want to ask something:
Should I pm the members of our team?:confused:

[Hirila]

If the members of the groups want to make up a strategy and collect arguments, of course. PM each other and look what you can find for your position. Do everything that may help you become a team and finally win the debate.

[Grond]

Okay.... the ghost of Christmas Past has returned. I intend to slowly get some of the administrative things done that only a moderator can do. First and foremost is to get the membership list corrected. During my absence, due to my father's illness and death, I have been sorely remiss in keeping our guild members list updated.

I request that every active member please post to this thread and identify yourself. This is especially important to those who have applied for membership in my absence and have been left hanging. I'm very excited to be back and hope that all my guild mates will forgive my extended absence. My personal tragedies have made the end of 2002 and the beginning of 2003 quite a trying time for me and I look forward to things getting better as the year progresses.

[FoolOfATook]

Foolofatook- active member in good standing, although I joined during Grond's absence.

[Anamatar IV]

Anamatar IV-active and awaiting orders SIR YES SIR;)

[Lhunithiliel]

Lhunithiliel - active and awaiting orders SIR YES SIR !!!

[Finduilas]

Finduilas-active and awaiting orders. SIR YES SIR!!!
(is this a motto or what:p )

[gate7ole]

gate7ole-active and awaiting orders. SIR YES SIR!!!

[Elennainie]

Welcome back Grond! Elennainie is another active member here.

[Melian]

I join the actve ones! Any orders,SIR?

[Hirila]

Hirila - definitely active

But do we have to adapt this military drill? It's not that I dislike guys in uniform, most men actually gain from wearing one. :D

"What are your wishes, your ideas about the future of the Guild, dear Guild Master? Could we possibly assist you with something?"
Doesn't that sound much friendlier?

[Finduilas]

Doesn't that sound much friendlier?

:p :p
How about this:
'Holla Master! May your name be sainted! We are your slaves for ever! What would you, holy name, order us to do?'
:D

[Mrs. Maggott]

Mrs. M. here:

Glad to have you back. May this year be as delightful as last year was sorrowful. Didn't think it necessary to note active status as I am on the "b" team for the debate which begins when again? and have a lecture coming up at the end of next month (I think).

A mind is a terrible thing to lose.... here mindy, mindy mindy.... where did that dratted thing to anyway! Come to mama....... drat and double dratt!

can't find a **** thing around here.....

[Elennainie]

Mrs. M., I believe it starts tomorrow, Wednesday.

Hey Team A people: who is our group leader? Someone experienced in debates, please decide to be the leader of our team and PM the rest of us about our arguments. It's my first debate, and I do not want to be the leader.

[Anamatar IV]

Originally posted by Hirila
But do we have to adapt this military drill? It's not that I dislike guys in uniform, most men actually gain from wearing one. :D


I had no idea it was going to catch on.;)

Is there a leader for team B, either? Like wise, I don't wish to be leader as I am not as experienced in the art of debating as some others.:)

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by Elennainie
Mrs. M., I believe it starts tomorrow, Wednesday.

Hey Team A people: who is our group leader? Someone experienced in debates, please decide to be the leader of our team and PM the rest of us about our arguments. It's my first debate, and I do not want to be the leader.

I am sorry, I don't think there was enough time for me between the posting of teams and premise and the start of the debate. I was out of town most of last week and now I have the flu. Would anyone - especially the admins - mind if we adjourned the debate for say a week so that maybe I can find that brain of mine which I think I coughed out a few hours ago?

Of course, if that's not possible, I will carry on as best I can, but I did really want to "do it right" rather than simply doing it Wednesday.

Thanks.

[gate7ole]

If more people ask that the debate is moved forward s few days, I will do so. Unfortunately I can't do this if only you, Mrs. Maggott request it.
But even if this doesn't happen, don't worry. You can stay out of the debate for the first 2-3 days, until you regain your spirit and then participate.

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by gate7ole
If more people ask that the debate is moved forward s few days, I will do so. Unfortunately I can't do this if only you, Mrs. Maggott request it.
But even if this doesn't happen, don't worry. You can stay out of the debate for the first 2-3 days, until you regain your spirit and then participate.

I appreciate your kindness no matter what happens. And whatever happens, I'll do my best.

Again, thanks.

[Finduilas]

If more people ask that the debate is moved forward s few days, I will do so. Unfortunately I can't do this if only you, Mrs. Maggott request it.

I want to ask that too. I think we din't have enough time to 'gather' and arrange our thoughts. Moreover, it is the end of the first term and I really do not have much time to post and work on every theme on the forum. So please give us some time to speculate.

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by Finduilas
I want to ask that too. I think we din't have enough time to 'gather' and arrange our thoughts. Moreover, it is the end of the first term and I really do not have much time to post and work on every theme on the forum. So please give us some time to speculate.

Amen! Cough, hack, choke, gasp, moan.................:rolleyes:

[Elennainie]

It's fine with me also, if we move the date up a bit. Hope you feel better soon, Mrs. M.! :)

[FoolOfATook]

If two of my teammates are in favor of moving the debate back a bit, I will show proper Solidarity and request such a move as well.

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by FoolOfATook
If two of my teammates are in favor of moving the debate back a bit, I will show proper Solidarity and request such a move as well.

Bless you, my son...hack, gurgle, choke....sniff, sneeze...blaaaa.....(liquid sounds....)..... Drat and double drat! :mad:

[Grond]

effective 01/29/03

Grond - Guildmaster and Master Tolkienologist
Ciryaher - Assistant Guildmaster and Master Tolkienologist
Gate7ole - Deputy Guildmaster and Journeyman Tolkienologist
Lhunithiliel - Deputy Guildmaster and Journeyman Tolkienologist
Mithlond - Charter Member and Expert Tolkienologist
Hirila - Charter Member and Expert Tolkienologist
Ceorl - Charter Member and Expert Tolkienologist
Elu Thingol - Charter Member and Expert Tolkienologist
pohuist - Charter Member and Expert Tolkienologist
Nevavarein - Charter Member and Journeyman Tolkienologist
Mormegil - Charter Member and Expert Tolkienologist
Gil-Galad - Charter Member and Journeyman Tolkienologist
Eledhwen - Charter Member and Journeyman Tolkienologist
Anamatar IV - Charter Member and Apprentice Tolkienologist
Samwise_hero - Charter Member and Journeyman Tolkienologist
Millena - Charter Member and Apprentice Tolkienologist
Muffinly - Charter Member and Journeyman Tolkienologist
Beleg - Charter Member and Journeyman Tolkienologist
Anduril - Charter Member and Expert Tolkienologist
Kementari - Charter Member and Expert Tolkienologist
Valinorean - Charter Member and Expert Tolkienologist
Celebrien - Charter Member and Journeyman Tolkienologist
Thomas Baggins - Charter Member and Apprentice Tolkienologist
Elennainie - Charter Member and Journeyman Tolkienologist
Húrin Thalion - Charter Member and Expert Tolkienologist
Melian - Charter Member and Expert Tolkienologist
Mrs. Maggott - Charter Member and Expert Tolkienologist
entbabe - Charter Member and Journeyman Tolkienologist
Proudfoots - Charter Member and (rank to be determined)
gandalfthegrey - Member and (rank to be determined)
Glorfindel1187 - Member and (rank to be deterimined)
ravenbrand - Member and (rank to be determined)
dark ifrit - Member and (rank to be determined)
Flame - Member and (rank to be determined)
Fimbrethil - Member and (rank to be determined)
Froggum - Member and (rank to be determined)
Calimehtar - Member and (rank to be determined)
Zale - Member and (rank to be determined)
Finduilas - Member and (rank to be determined)
Celebithil - Member and (rank to be determined)
Morgoth - Member and (rank to be determined)
Gandalfthegreat - Member and (rank to be determined)
FoolOfATook - Member and (rank to be determined)
Elvish-gueen - Member and (rank to be determined)
Elros Halfelven - Member and (rank to be determined)
Dáin Ironfoot I - Member and (rank to be determined)
Goldmare - Member and (rank to be determined)
JMacEye - Member and (rank to be determined)
Beleg_Strongbow - Member and (rank to be determined)
gilgalad - Member and (rank to be determined)

Inactive members::(
Dwimmerlaik - Charter Member and Expert Tolkienologist
Winged Elf - Charter Member and Apprentice Tolkienologist
Iron Maiden - Charter Member and Journeyman Tolkienologist
Vicerous Daydark - Charter Member and Journeyman Tolkienologist
kazren - Charter Member and Journeyman Tolkienologist
Alcfalath - Member and Journeyman Tolkienologist
Elenaelin - Member and Journeyman Tolkienologist
dgoof911 - Member and Apprentice Tolkienologist
Tom - Member and Apprentice Tolkienologist

Transferred members to Scholars::(
Maedhros
Elfarmari
Nom
Nenya Evenstar
ithrynluin
Sting
Isildur

Active members = 50

Inactive members = 9

Transferred members = 7

[Grond]

We again have reached our pre-set limit of 50 active members. I have moved some to the inactive list and others have transferred to the reorganized Scholars Guild under Maedhros' leadership.

I encourage new forum members to look into the Scholars guild as it is up and coming and in need of new members to help it grow. As we have more inactive members, we will again place them inactive and have space for more members. If you are set on joining our guild, please post in the apply here thread and I will place your name on our membership waiting list.

Thanks to all and it's good to be back.

[Mrs. Maggott]

It's good to have you back! ;)

[Finduilas]

Certainly it is ,Master!:)

[gate7ole]

DEBATE
After the request of some of the members, the debate is moving ahead a few days. That will give the opportunity to all of you to prepare better and organize your arguments. I hope that this doesn’t cause any problems to the others.

So, the debate will start on Sunday


Sorry for not posting earlier, I coulnd't login

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by gate7ole
DEBATE
After the request of some of the members, the debate is moving ahead a few days. That will give the opportunity to all of you to prepare better and organize your arguments. I hope that this doesn’t cause any problems to the others.

So, the debate will start on Sunday


Sorry for not posting earlier, I coulnd't login

Thank you and thank all those who were kind enough to accept a postponement in response to my health situation. I seem to be getting worse, not better, but maybe by Sunday I at least will be able to sleep for more than 10 minutes at a time!

[Finduilas]

Thank you and thank all those who were kind enough to accept a postponement in response to my health situation. I seem to be getting worse, not better, but maybe by Sunday I at least will be able to sleep for more than 10 minutes at a time!

We thank you too. Now please rest, Mrs. Maggott, so that you be in good condition on Sunday.;)

[Grond]

If Mrs. Maggott is unable to participate due to illness, I will fill in for her for the first few days, if that is acceptable. Of course, I hope she is 100% better and that I won't be needed. :)

[pohuist]

I don't think that would be fair to the other team, but who am I to deny our Guildmaster the opportunity to debate, especially since he hasn't one for so long, especially since I unfortunately will not be able to participate due to time constraints. Happy debating, folks.

[gate7ole]

Originally posted by Grond
If Mrs. Maggott is unable to participate due to illness, I will fill in for her for the first few days, if that is acceptable. Of course, I hope she is 100% better and that I won't be needed. :)
Since I already moved the debate, I can't take it back now. Besides, it will soon start (on Sunday).
But if you want Grond, you can join Team B which is one person less. Just don't use all your powers because it won't be easy for Team A to counter you. But just reply here if you want to join the team.

[Grond]

I'll sit back for now and see how things go. If Mrs. Maggott is better, the team should do fine.

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by Grond
I'll sit back for now and see how things go. If Mrs. Maggott is better, the team should do fine.

I thought we were one down in the number category? Of course, Grond is worth any two (and probably five of me), so I hesitate to "grab" him, but I do know we were four to the other group's five (I think, but I could be wrong - again!). God, this thing is getting to me!

Again, thanks for the delay and I'm sorry to have had to ask. Sooch a pain, as me mother was wont to say! :rolleyes:

[Lhunithiliel]

Mrs. Maggot, Grond,
Please, don't deprive us from the pleasure of seeing you two debating one against the other! ;)

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
Mrs. Maggot, Grond,
Please, don't deprive us from the pleasure of seeing you two debating one against the other! ;)

Grond, I get this very "gladiatorial" feeling. Do you see any lions yet? :eek:

[Lhunithiliel]

the crowd is ready!
Thumbs - DOWN!!!!
KILL!!!! NO MERCY!!!:p

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
the crowd is ready!
Thumbs - DOWN!!!!
KILL!!!! NO MERCY!!!:p

(very small voice) Isn't someone supposed to win? :eek:

Have to see physician today; haven't slept in over a week. Hope he'll be able to give me something to stop this cough so I can breathe. (That's why I'm on this site at this ungodly hour of the morning!) :mad:

[Finduilas]

I think that our team would be very pleased to have you, Master.;) :)

[Lhunithiliel]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
the crowd is ready!
Thumbs - DOWN!!!!
KILL!!!! NO MERCY!!!:p
:eek: :eek: :eek:
This was only to make the "gladiatorial" picture more vivid! I hope I was not misunderstaood ?!?

[Hirila]

As it is still quite impossible to actually kill someone via internet noone could have taken you serious, dear Lhun.

And my best wishes to Mrs. Maggot who seems really ill, but still finds time, will and strength to come and tell us how she's doing. Get well soon!

[Grond]

Barring an outcry from the other team... Grond would love to participate in the debate. :)

[gate7ole]

Grond, I don’t think that the other team had anything to do with the outcry. It was Lhunithiliel, who belonging to the judges wants to raise the tension.
Anyway, I will put you in Team B.

[Mithlond]

Hey all, i've returned back to the guild after quite some time.
A few weeks ago i mentioned my fathers health was in very bad condition, but im glad to say that he was finally released from Hospital just the other day after a month of being in there, and all is fine and well.
So i guess less trips to the hospital every night equals more time for the guild, heh.

I know i have been posting in other parts of the forum during this time, i was doing so while at work, but nowhere near enough time to invest into the guild activities.

Anyways, its good to see debates are happening again and stuff.
Now its time to catch up, carry on!

[Elennainie]

I'm so glad your father is better, Mithlond. :) Welcome back!

[Mrs. Maggott]

I'm sorry. I'm having lots of problems (like not being able to see well) and I can't find where our delayed Saruman in the box/out of the box debate is being posted. I am ready to post, but I don't know where to go (and no saucy suggestions there, folks!)

Thanks for the info.

(Irish diplomacy: telling a man to go to h-e-l-l in such a way that he looks forward to the trip!)

[gilgalad]

A scolaire dhil ,mrs maggot,

You don't seem to like Irish people very much, do you? I say this considering another statement on Heren Istarion. Maybe I'm wronging you and its just an unhappy coincidence that i saw both posts.
The first time I thought it was only a joke but now that i see another derogatory post i wonder.
Forgive me if im over-reacting but im sure everyone can appreciate how angry it makes you when you here people who are not from your country telling jokes about it.
I appreciate that you were probably only making the joke in good fun but it's a funny kind of patriotism Irish people have:
We've only been our own masters for 80 years after being horribly oppressed for the preceding 700. We've doone a damn good job too. We came from nothing to being one of the largest economies in europe in just 80 years!
We are all very proud of our achievements since gaining our independance from the British over here, and (again i'm sorry if i'm overreacting) it really gets under my skin to hear people talking about my nation as the backwater bog of the 19th century. It and its people have come a very long way since then and would appreciate if people remembered that the next time they think of ireland as a place with leprechauns sitting on toadstools singing out "top o' the mornin' to ya".

Give us a break, lay into another country instead.

Yours Without Wax
Still do chara buan (your good friend)
gilgalad

[Grond]

Actually, I wish I could tell someone to "Go to hell" and make him look forward to the trip. I took Mrs. Maggott's comments as a compliment to the Irish skills of diplomacy and persuasiveness. But, I'll let her answer your protest on her own.

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by gilgalad
A scolaire dhil ,mrs maggot,

You don't seem to like Irish people very much, do you? I say this considering another statement on Heren Istarion. Maybe I'm wronging you and its just an unhappy coincidence that i saw both posts.
The first time I thought it was only a joke but now that i see another derogatory post i wonder.
Forgive me if im over-reacting but im sure everyone can appreciate how angry it makes you when you here people who are not from your country telling jokes about it.
I appreciate that you were probably only making the joke in good fun but it's a funny kind of patriotism Irish people have:
We've only been our own masters for 80 years after being horribly oppressed for the preceding 700. We've doone a damn good job too. We came from nothing to being one of the largest economies in europe in just 80 years!
We are all very proud of our achievements since gaining our independance from the British over here, and (again i'm sorry if i'm overreacting) it really gets under my skin to hear people talking about my nation as the backwater bog of the 19th century. It and its people have come a very long way since then and would appreciate if people remembered that the next time they think of ireland as a place with leprechauns sitting on toadstools singing out "top o' the mornin' to ya".

Give us a break, lay into another country instead.

Yours Without Wax
Still do chara buan (your good friend)
gilgalad

Oh dear! I had no idea that my (very) little Irish wit (and, yes, I am Irish and Scottish and a few quiet other things that "snuck" in) would be so misunderstood!

The "Irish diplomacy" thing is in fact a compliment. I saw it hanging in the house of an Irish friend of mine who wears a shirt that says, "Tis Herself!" Another of my favorites is the Irish Prayer: "O Lord, bless those who love us and for those who hate us, turn their hearts! (And if You can't turn their hearts, then turn their ankles so we'll know them by their limpin'!)"

One of me favorite Scottish jokes involves an English lecturer who gives a presentation in Edinborough. He is very well received by his large audience and the entire lecture goes very well. At the end, after much applause, he looks benignly out over his audience of Scots and says in that wonderful low key, English way, "Dear friends, Scotland is a wonderful country and its people are of the very best! However, I was born and Englishman, I have lived as an Englishman and I shall die as an Englishman!" And from way in the back comes this gruff voice saying, "Och, man! Hae ye no ambition?!"

The truth is, my dear Gilgilad, if one were to make "funny" remarks about someone else's nationality (although I have quite a few good Italian and Polish jokes!), then it could be considered insulting. That's why I only make fun of myself! (But then, there's so much material to draw on there!) But you must admit that the Irish do a lot of self-deprecating humor. The only people who do more of it that I know of are the Jews.

Anyway, I hope this sets your mind at rest concerning my "feelings" about the Irish (and the Celts in general)! If I offended you, please understand that that was the very last thing I intended to do! God bless!

[gilgalad]

A scolaire dhil, Mrs Maggot

"O Lord, bless those who love us and for those who hate us, turn their hearts! (And if You can't turn their hearts, then turn their ankles so we'll know them by their limpin'!)"
You won me over with that one, i was in knots laughing. Since last night i've looked at that post of mine and realised just how grumpy i was. Sorry.

I hope I didn't show myself up to be the cranky old **** i am. I withdraw all comments showing enmity and hope (in the words of Faramir in ttt) we finally understand each other (at least i think he says that).

HOWEVER! My big long convoluted boring and patriotic speech on the success of my(our) beautiful nation STANDS. I meant every word and would never retract that pride in my country(except during the Roy Keane fiasco - We would have won the world cup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

Yours without wax
Do chara buan
gilgalad

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by gilgalad
A scolaire dhil, Mrs Maggot

"O Lord, bless those who love us and for those who hate us, turn their hearts! (And if You can't turn their hearts, then turn their ankles so we'll know them by their limpin'!)"
You won me over with that one, i was in knots laughing. Since last night i've looked at that post of mine and realised just how grumpy i was. Sorry.

I hope I didn't show myself up to be the cranky old **** i am. I withdraw all comments showing enmity and hope (in the words of Faramir in ttt) we finally understand each other (at least i think he says that).

HOWEVER! My big long convoluted boring and patriotic speech on the success of my(our) beautiful nation STANDS. I meant every word and would never retract that pride in my country(except during the Roy Keane fiasco - We would have won the world cup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

Yours without wax
Do chara buan
gilgalad

Well, of course you were grumpy! You see, it's one thing to make fun of one's own, but don't let anyone else do it! And since you didn't know what I was, you had a right to be protective of the Irish. (By the way, have you read the book about how the Irish saved civilization? It's about the old monks and it's grand!)

The above is one of the reasons I don't "do" Italian or Polish jokes (although I love the one my Italian friend told me: How can you tell where flamingos live? By the plastic Italians on their lawns! Of course, to get that, you'd have to live in the USA and see all the Italian homes in Florida filled with pink plastic flamingos on their front lawns!)

Fear not! I took no offense and I have every sympathy for the tragic (and triumphant!) history of Ireland. Never has such a small land brought forth such greatness in the face of such misery, suffering and want. Your pride is well justified! However, I will say this in warning!! Never!!! put your nation's pride in the hands of her athletes! They'll tear your heart out and jump up and down on it!! Sigh......... just when you thought it would all come together...... it all comes apart!

[gilgalad]

A scolaire dhil, Mrs maggot,

Your simple but apt description of ireland's history, "tragic (and triumphant!)",
had me absolutely beaming with pride, i felt like jumping up and down for joy: SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE DID!!!
Of course the Irish saved the world, more than once i might add. Sure it was St. Brendan, a monk who's monestary was literally 5minutes back the road from me who discovered America hundreds of years before that wannabe discoverer Columbus.

It is also a well known fact that God (who we are very close friends with on the fair isle) created whiskey to stop us from ruling the world.

We also have the 2 best sports in the world in Gaelic football and Hurling, as well as the world's greatest soccer player in Roy Keane.

Seamus Heaney is the world's greatest poet, guess where he's from. What about James Joyce the second best writer in history?

In fairness though, we do have the world's worst weather and its funniest accent. I swear, if you could here the Kerry (South west) accent i am endowed you would wet yourself. Oh yeah, and our neighbours arn't the best either.

Yours without wax
Do chara buan
gilgalad

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by gilgalad
A scolaire dhil, Mrs maggot,

Your simple but apt description of ireland's history, "tragic (and triumphant!)",
had me absolutely beaming with pride, i felt like jumping up and down for joy: SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE DID!!!
Of course the Irish saved the world, more than once i might add. Sure it was St. Brendan, a monk who's monestary was literally 5minutes back the road from me who discovered America hundreds of years before that wannabe discoverer Columbus.

It is also a well known fact that God (who we are very close friends with on the fair isle) created whiskey to stop us from ruling the world.

We also have the 2 best sports in the world in Gaelic football and Hurling, as well as the world's greatest soccer player in Roy Keane.

Seamus Heaney is the world's greatest poet, guess where he's from. What about James Joyce the second best writer in history?

In fairness though, we do have the world's worst weather and its funniest accent. I swear, if you could here the Kerry (South west) accent i am endowed you would wet yourself. Oh yeah, and our neighbours arn't the best either.

Yours without wax
Do chara buan
gilgalad

Me dear child! Before ye start takin' bows for the world's worst weather, a winter (and even a summer) weekend in Siberia might cause you to rethink! You know, most people believe that biting insects are terrible in the tropics! Don't you believe it! They are far worse in the sub-arctic regions because the dreadful wee beasties have to eat enough for a whole year in a few weeks! Did you know that the birds nesting on the ground in the tundra regions don't have to seek food for their nestlings? The wee birdies simply eat the tons of mosquitoes and other blood suckers that come to feed on them! In fact (horrible as it is to contemplate), one of the ways the poor sods of the gulag were put to death was to hang them naked outside and in a few days, they would be virtually bled to death!

No, Ireland has many a 'soft' day, but it also has glorious sunshine and the best horses in the world which feed on the grass that grows so lush and green in that "awful" weather!

[gilgalad]

A scolaire dhil,

Okay slight exaggeration. Maybe it's not the WORST weather in the world but its still bloody ****! Don't argue with me on this one, i feel too strongly to lose!!!

Oh yeah, thanks foor reminding me: we also have the best horses in the world.

Yours without wax
Do chara
gilgalad

[Finduilas]

Hehehehehhe...:p
Nice conversation you two.:p

[FoolOfATook]

Originally posted by gilgalad
Seamus Heaney is the world's greatest poet, guess where he's from. What about James Joyce the second best writer in history?


Joyce I'll give you, but Heaney? Come on, you could have said Shaw or Wilde, but you say Heaney? Bah! ;)

[gilgalad]

A scolaire dhil, finduilas,

Thanks for the compliment. Let it be a lesson to you: DONT DISS IRELAND GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yours Without Wax
Do chara buan
gilgalad

[Finduilas]

A scolaire dhil, finduilas,

Thanks for the compliment. Let it be a lesson to you: DONT DISS IRELAND GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yours Without Wax
Do chara buan
gilgalad

Heheh, I won't unless I'm in the good mood of argueing...:p

[gilgalad]

It would want to be a pretty good/crazy mood.

[Maedhros]

Hello people, just saying hello to my former Guild. Good luck in your endeveours and hopefully we will see us in a debate in the horizon.;)

[gate7ole]

Originally posted by Maedhros
Hello people, just saying hello to my former Guild. Good luck in your endeveours and hopefully we will see us in a debate in the horizon.;)
Thank's Maedhros. We miss you and the great members that followed you. I hope too that we'll meet soon in a debate and remember the old times

[Lhunithiliel]

So, you've made it ! :D

I am really glad you stopped by!

You know you have true friends here, don't you!

[Elennainie]

I just found out about some test we are all supposed to be taking. There are so many threads in this guild now that it's very hard to find things! :( I wonder why something so big and apparently required of all members was not posted here, in the "Happenings in the Guild" section? Perhaps that is why so many have not responded to the test time thing. It would be very helpful if we really used this thread as a first-stop on TTF for Guild of Tolk. activities. I think the last post before mine on this thread was from the 7th, and it's the 12th now. Any thoughts on how we can keep our guild space a bit cleaner and more organized?

[gate7ole]

True Elennainie. Some announcements are lost in the large number of thread in the guild. With the current format of the forum, there isn't much to do, except to use this forum to announce everything that may interest the guild-members, even if it is also announced in the appropriate thread.

[Grond]

I'm going to open a closed thread for announcements. The only one able to post will be myself. Anyone who has announcements which need to be made may PM me and I'll post them there.

Also.... everyone in the guild will need to subscribe to that thread. You can do this in your user cp section of the forum even to subscribe to a closed thread.

My life is still a mess and I am trying to juggle professional, personal and family committments to allow me to again devote more time to my favorite people.... you guys and gals. Sorry for my extended absence and hope to be back here in a more significant way in the next few weeks. I'll keep you informed. :)

[Lhunithiliel]

IMPORTANT & URGENT

Concerning the debate with the Schollars' Guild, here is their team:
From Scholars we have:
Inderjit S
Elfarmari
Nóm
ithrynluin/Nenya Evenstar

So, WHEN are we to form OUR team ?

[Lhunithiliel]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY HIRILA!!! :D :D :D

For you're a jolly GOOD fellow!
And we ALL GLADLY congratulate you on this HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY!:D :D :D

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by Grond
I'm going to open a closed thread for announcements. The only one able to post will be myself. Anyone who has announcements which need to be made may PM me and I'll post them there.

Also.... everyone in the guild will need to subscribe to that thread. You can do this in your user cp section of the forum even to subscribe to a closed thread.

My life is still a mess and I am trying to juggle professional, personal and family committments to allow me to again devote more time to my favorite people.... you guys and gals. Sorry for my extended absence and hope to be back here in a more significant way in the next few weeks. I'll keep you informed. :)

I'm sorry. Head technoboob here wishes to know how one "suscribes" to a "closed" thread? :confused:

[Elennainie]

Happy Birthday, Hirila!!! Hope your day is splendid!!!! :D

[Grond]

Originally posted by Mrs. Maggott
I'm sorry. Head technoboob here wishes to know how one "suscribes" to a "closed" thread? :confused: I gave the wrong instructions anyway.

The proper way to subscribe to a thread (other than posting in it) is to go to that thread and go to the bottom of any page. At the bottom of the page on the right hand side is a highlighter subscribe to this thread. Click on this phrase and, voila!!... you are subscribed. :)

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by Grond
I gave the wrong instructions anyway.

The proper way to subscribe to a thread (other than posting in it) is to go to that thread and go to the bottom of any page. At the bottom of the page on the right hand side is a highlighter subscribe to this thread. Click on this phrase and, voila!!... you are subscribed. :)
Ah! I thought it was different with a "closed" thread! Sorry for the doofusism! Digging out here from TONS of snow! Going to spend today working on my lecture....such as it will be.

[Hirila]

Thanks very much, Lhun and Elen.
My day really was great and it is going to end even better.

I know I do not contribute as much as I should and perhaps could to this Guild but nonetheless I enjoy the time here. I'm glad to have you here.

[FoolOfATook]

Okay, I'm glad to announce that this evening, I'll be doing the first rounds of testing. Scheduling is first come, first serve- whoever responds talks to me over MSN Messenger first gets to test first. I should be on pretty much non-stop after 8:00 PM EST, and I expect to be on most of the time between now and then. Tonight, I'll only be doing tests over MSN Messenger, and I'll only be doing tests for Sr. Journeymen and lower. Since I can only think of one member who has their eyes set on Expert right now, I don't think that this will be too much of an issue. I'll hopefully have time to test five or six Guildmembers tonight, and that's a conservative estimate.

Thanks for your cooperation and good luck on the tests.

-FoolofATook

[gate7ole]

Sorry to post sth irrelevant, but it's too good:
Follow the link:
http://home.attbi.com/~n9ivo/whatswrong.swf
Concentrate on the space between the two windows and try to understand what’s wrong. Also raise the volume of your speakers enough to hear the mumbling. Wait a little and try to figure it out…

[Lhunithiliel]

Boy! :D :D
That was sooooo.......WAKENING early in the morning! :D

[Finduilas]

Oh My God!!!!! What was that?!!:eek:
No seriously was it an alien or something:eek:

[Anamatar IV]

oh my god! Oh my god! oh my god! That scared me. That absolutely made me jump. Oh my god. Oh my god. That was scary. I couldn't hear anything at first so I turned my volume up ALL The way:eek:

[gate7ole]

Originally posted by Anamatar IV
oh my god! Oh my god! oh my god! That scared me. That absolutely made me jump. Oh my god. Oh my god. That was scary. I couldn't hear anything at first so I turned my volume up ALL The way:eek:
Common mistake. I myself also did it. I turned my stereo full and listened carefully!

[Tuilin]

eeeeeeeeeeek::eek:
haha...my speakers were turned up by someone else---eeek

[Ecthelion]

Man am I lucky I've already seen that . That wierd thing that yells is freaky.

[Mrs. Maggott]

Alright, I must ask. I'm afraid my computer's "speech" is limited to "You have mail". I couldn't get the thing to make noise unless I dropped it on the ground. I checked out the picture which was entirely benign from what I can see, but I certainly can't hear anything.

It would be deeply appreciated if someone can tell me WHAT'S GOING ON??!! It's impossible for me to "get the joke" or whatever, so I'd like it explained to me if that's at all possible.

Thank you.

[Anamatar IV]

You are supposed to concentrate really hard on the picture and then suddenly out of the blue this horrific and LOUD scream sounds.

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by Anamatar IV
You are supposed to concentrate really hard on the picture and then suddenly out of the blue this horrific and LOUD scream sounds.
And this is funny...............? (shrug)

[Ecthelion]

No, its supposed to freak you out, or possibly make you pee your pants or scream really loud:)

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
No, its supposed to freak you out, or possibly make you pee your pants or scream really loud:)

Ah! I understand now. The sort of thing you do to someone you don't particularly care for and who is the nervous sort. I remember once when I was about 8 and my dad brought home his truck (he was with a company that used to deliver milk and cream to all the A&P supermarkets in New York City and he drove the biggest truck there is before they have to have a separate trailer).

Well, I was sitting on the front fender when one of my dad's "friends" leaned in and blew the horn. I can still remember it and it happened over 50 years ago. The guy thought it was funny. I didn't. I hit him with a rock. I thought that was funny. He didn't. Humor is a very subjective thing.

[MATTMAN]

I have started to read the similarillions today and find it very interesting. I look forward to reading and trying to stay up with the discusion.

[gate7ole]

Good MATTMAN. If you have any questions at all, be free to ask us. Just open a new thread with your question and the most experienced members of the guild will be happy to help you.

[Ecthelion]

Originally posted by MATTMAN
I have started to read the similarillions today and find it very interesting. I look forward to reading and trying to stay up with the discusion.

Thats pretty cool MATTMAN becuase I just started reading the Sil as well:)

[Beleg]

Cool! I have got one more of this type but its more scary and lasts longer. it really gives you the creeps!

[Ecthelion]

Originally posted by Beleg_strongbow
Cool! I have got one more of this type but its more scary and lasts longer. it really gives you the creeps!

Would you be talking about the thing that Gate posted? If not you lost me:confused: :confused:

[Beleg]

No need to get puzzled oh mighty Captain! I sure was talking 'bout the thing that Gate posted.

[Eöl]

Hmm, not sure where to post this so I thought I may as well post it here! I have a new name, so is you could edit the member list, gate7ole, that would be great.

[Húrin Thalion]

Huh? I am back! Hooray

I ahve been inactive for very long but I ahve returned, at least to this guild. I can only blame laziness, flue and skiing. Soory everybody!

Húrin Thalion

[Elennainie]

Welcome back, Hurin!!! :D So glad to see you! :D :) :D

[Beleg]

Welcome Back Oh Great Fighter! ;) hope to see you soon on other guilds also and the sister site..:d:d

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Húrin Thalion
Huh? I am back! Hooray

I ahve been inactive for very long but I ahve returned, at least to this guild. I can only blame laziness, flue and skiing. Soory everybody!

Húrin Thalion
Well............and we are waiting for the next part of your lecture.........in The Hall of Lectures.
And if you want you can participate in The Hall of Essays too.!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool: :cool:

[Húrin Thalion]

Oh **** don't say that I didn't post the rest of the lecture? I am so sorry, all of you. I will do that as soon as I get the time.

Húrin

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Húrin Thalion
Oh **** don't say that I didn't post the rest of the lecture? I am so sorry, all of you. I will do that as soon as I get the time.

Húrin
.........hehehe,we will be waiting for it.........;)

[Húrin Thalion]

I will now regretfully withdraw from the guild but still post my lecture. Check my thread in the member announcements thread.

Húrin Thalion

[Lhunithiliel]

Dearest Guild-fellows, I address to you all.... How many, BTW?:confused: :eek: to tell you how worried I am once again!

The activity of this place has reached total 'ZERO"! :(

The only two threads that still try to survive and keep the image of the Guild are the Quenya Lessons and the Study.
But in them only NO MORE than two or three people show activity!
FOR THIS I THINK WE HAVE TO THANK THEM!

I have tried a lot of means - I opened the "Round Table" - "hall" where I invited ALL of you to discuss the matter of activities. I asked you to come up with suggestions and opinions what can the Guild of Tolkienology do to go deeper into Tolkien and what its members are called Tolkienologists for!
Even friends from "afar" ( ;) :D) came and shared their opinion with us in order to and with the best intention to help this Guild restore its proud image and name!

ALL IN VAIN!!!

Some new ideas are being born and very good ones, indeed!
But their "parents" soon totally forget about them! And when the "parent"doesn't care why shall the "baby"?!

I once again ( perhaps for the last time) invite you to sit at the Round Table and show not ONLY your presence but your creativity and willingness to revive the life of this place.

PROVE YOURSELF TRUE TOLKIENOLOGISTS!

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
Dearest Guild-fellows, I address to you all.... How many, BTW?:confused: :eek: to tell you how worried I am once again!

The activity of this place has reached total 'ZERO"! :(

The only two threads that still try to survive and keep the image of the Guild are the Quenya Lessons and the Study.
But in them only NO MORE than two or three people show activity!
FOR THIS I THINK WE HAVE TO THANK THEM!

I have tried a lot of means - I opened the "Round Table" - "hall" where I invited ALL of you to discuss the matter of activities. I asked you to come up with suggestions and opinions what can the Guild of Tolkienology do to go deeper into Tolkien and what its members are called Tolkienologists for!
Even friends from "afar" ( ;) :D) came and shared their opinion with us in order to and with the best intention to help this Guild restore its proud image and name!

ALL IN VAIN!!!

Some new ideas are being born and very good ones, indeed!
But their "parents" soon totally forget about them! And when the "parent"doesn't care why shall the "baby"?!

I once again ( perhaps for the last time) invite you to sit at the Round Table and show not ONLY your presence but your creativity and willingness to revive the life of this place.

PROVE YOURSELF TRUE TOLKIENOLOGISTS!
I am sorry I haven't been more active, but I am still recovering from giving "birth" to my own "baby" on the lecture thread and now a new lecture is there for the digesting - and commenting.

I also wanted to get into that pride essay contest (a fascinating subject and one that demands thought, not just an "off the top of one's head" response) - but I have had to keep putting it off because of commitments here. Sometimes it is not that there is nothing to do, but there is too much to do that one can't participate in everything or one is just overwhelmed and in the end does little or nothing.

I really do not wish to "rest on my laurels" with the lecture, but sometimes the days just fly by with other commitments and I am only able to make a comment or two on something rather than sitting down and putting the kind of effort in something as I did the lecture. I will say, though at the moment, I am trying to procure Richard Blackwelder's, Tolkien's Thesaurus, so I am not exactly idle - just tired out!

[Elennainie]

I'm very sorry Lhun. I've been devoting most of my time to the Quenya study, and neglecting the rest of the forum (and Guild). I also agree with Mrs. Maggott that the threads in here have become too overwhelming. It was much nicer when we all put happenings in the guild in the ....what else!? "Happenings in the Guild" thread, and there were just a few threads to check and keep track of. Lets delete some of these old threads (vote which ones to keep), and clean up our forum space, and set better guidelines on where to post.

Let's concentrate our efforts on better quality and participation on a few threads, rather than scant activity on numerous threads!!! -- that's my opinion.

Also, I do want to say a huge thank you to Lhun and gate7ole for keeping our guild together in Grond's absence.

And Hurin Thalion, what on earth happened? You've resigned from the Guild? And you're banished to the Halls of Mandos? What does that mean? :confused: And we can't PM you anymore! Email me!

[Eöl]

I like the Study a lot, it's probably my favorite thread in this Guild! Also I am planning to post an essay soon, so just know that not everyone is dead, so to speak!

[Lhunithiliel]

Originally posted by Eöl
I like the Study a lot, it's probably my favorite thread in this Guild! Also I am planning to post an essay soon, so just know that not everyone is dead, so to speak!
:) I know, my friend and I thank you!
Let's take good care of that "baby"!

Gals, I never meant that anyone should apologize or anything of the kind....
Please, try to understand that I'm worried about the lack of creativity much more than activity itself.

As for some of the threads, I don't thunk they should be deleted, but just un-made "sticky". But we need a Mod for this and in the absence of Grond, who is one of them, I find it difficultt to bother other Mods for that....
Although... why not! I'll do it.

Let me hear your suggestions:

WHAT THREADS should be UN-made "sticky"?

*****

If anyone from the Guild would like to discuss further the matters I appealed to here, please, do it in the 'Round Table"-thread. I'll be teher waiting for you :)

[Beleg]

I suggest we should unite the application/instruction and Joining thread. There are many Sticky threads of Lectures too. Can't we combine them? And Hurin Thalion, what on earth happened? You've resigned from the Guild? And you're banished to the Halls of Mandos? What does that mean? And we can't PM you anymore!


that would probably mean banned?

[Walter]

Yes, it seems Hurin has been - temporary, at the moment - banned...

I just read that Hirila won't be around for a while either...

vBulletin - the software used for TTF - allows setting up moderators for guilds, meaning that such a moderator can merge, delete threads etc, but only within the guild he has moderator rights in. I suggest one of the "deputies" contacts WM and asks if it would be possible to set this up here. I'm pretty sure Maedhros would want that too for his guild.

[Finduilas]

Since there seemed to be less participation in the Guild and the firum as well, I think we should immediately do something about it. First of all, I would like to appolagise for not participating a lot too but I had a lot of work in school.
I suggest that we could make a course where we would study letter writing. I mean since Tolkien had been an unbelievable writer of letters shouldn't we learn too. I want to ask the people who had read the Letters of Tolkien to tell us their opinion since it seems that they would be the teachers.:)
However, anybody with a great experience in that sphere could help us develop our communication skills.

[gilgalad]

The guild certainly needs an injection of new threads. A lot of the long standing ones have stagnated and little has been added to many in a long time. Perhaps, as was suggested, a streamlining of the guild should take place, whereby the old threads with little interest be removed if not deleted, and some of the similar ones merged.

[Mrs. Maggott]

Yes, I agree. I would also suggest that we find "outside" topics to investigate more fully - that is, things that address Tolkien's work in general rather than simply focusing on a small aspect of one work.

For instance, there is a book out about Tolkien's use of time (Verlyn Flieger, "A Question of Time, J.R.R. Tolkien's Road to Faerie"). It is a fascinating subject and takes into account "immortality" as Tolkien presents it in his work (a burden in the end) and his religious understanding of immortality in Christ (eternal bliss). There are some references to "the Second Music of the Ainur" in which the Children of Illuvatar will participate and so on. Something like this would help very much in understanding Tolkien rather than merely another in-depth investigation into some part of the stories and attempting to learn about Tolkien's vision from that.

Of course, I'm sure this has already been done and I am just unaware of it, but there are so many books out which examine these various aspects of Tolkien's work (some better than others certainly), that it might be worthwhile to look into some of them. They may provide considerable useful food for thought.

[Gil-Galad]

I agree with gilgalad,but I also would like to add that many of the members who participated actively in the forum are no longer in it.Take for example Eonwe,I haven't seen him for more than 6 months,and Milena from Serbia,I haven't seen her for about 4 months.
I think we need some new,ambitious and curious members who will participate actively in the forum.:rolleyes:

[Eöl]

I like the Study a lot, it's probably my favorite thread in this Guild! Also I am planning to post an essay soon, so just know that not everyone is dead, so to speak!

That was probably a little innapropriate, I didn't mean to say that the rest of the guild was not participating! My apologies everyone.

Of course, I'm sure this has already been done and I am just unaware of it, but there are so many books out which examine these various aspects of Tolkien's work (some better than others certainly), that it might be worthwhile to look into some of them. They may provide considerable useful food for thought.

Definitely a good idea, if you asked me! Although, I do wonder if we would even have participation in that...I don't know about the rest of you, but I still have hardly any grasp on the geography of Middle Earth, and I would like to learn the Silmarillion better before I attempt anything that doesn't directly relate to Middle Earth. I am still trying to grasp what he wrote about Middle Earth, so I'm sure if I can handle branching off into another "field" so to speak, of Tolkien. I would certainly be willing to try though!

[Lhunithiliel]

Now, a few things here to address:

1/ To Walt: I didn't know about this option, so THANK YOU ! :) ....Make that ... [i]Thank you BIG BRO! ;) :D

Gate? Took? Will you?

2/ To my Guild-fellows: I think that there is a common mistake that I constantly witness - MIS-using threads (those dedicated to Guild-matters especially).
Look now here - this thread has been created ONLY for the purpose of announcing things to the Guild and NOT for dscussion of Guild-matters. BUT!!! most of the members keep on using it precisely for discussing! Now I'm dragged to continue the discussion here and not in the right-for-discussion-thread....

Because, there IS a thread created particularly for discussing Guild-matters (Round Table) ... BUT!!! People go there and ask questions... I have just seen questions about the long expected debate....

BUT!!! There is a "Debate Work book" for this purpose!

There is a thread for asking questions - only a few (except me ;) ) have used it....

You see???? We OURSELVES make a chaos! It's NOT that there are many threads! Each one of The existing ones has its purpose (the threads that need URGENTLY to be merged, hoever, are the several dedicated to the ranking-testing-application matters). We shall just have to learn to use them properly!

Oh! And I was NOT right to say that only two threads were alive (the Quenya Course and the Study)! The Lecture Hall is going very well! I hope you find the lectures posted so far not only interesting but also educative! I do!

3/ New discussion threads: Yes! But don't abandon them later! Of course, if there is a poor interest towards the topic of the discussion offered the thread will soon go to the second-third page... Natural way of selection ;) :D But I don't expect any of you to suggest a dull topic! The only care will be to keep the interest "hot" ;)

Don't ever forget that we have the "Round Table" thread created ESPECIALLY and PARTICULARLY to be at the Guild-members' disposal when they wish to throw in a new idea of a new discussion or comment on the activities going on in the Guild.

Whole this post should NOT have been here BUT at the "Round Table"!
Therefore, I'll make a copy of it there and whatever comments you have, please come there :)

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel

2/ To my Guild-fellows: I think that there is a common mistake that I constantly witness - MIS-using threads (those dedicated to Guild-matters especially).
Look now here - this thread has been created ONLY for the purpose of announcing things to the Guild and NOT for dscussion of Guild-matters. BUT!!! most of the members keep on using it precisely for discussing! Now I'm dragged to continue the discussion here and not in the right-for-discussion-thread....

Because, there IS a thread created particularly for discussing Guild-matters (Round Table) ... BUT!!! People go there and ask questions... I have just seen questions about the long expected debate....

BUT!!! There is a "Debate Work book" for this purpose!

There is a thread for asking questions - only a few (except me ;) ) have used it....

You see???? We OURSELVES make a chaos! It's NOT that there are many threads! Each one of The existing ones has its purpose (the threads that need URGENTLY to be merged, hoever, are the several dedicated to the ranking-testing-application matters). We shall just have to learn to use them properly!

Oh! And I was NOT right to say that only two threads were alive (the Quenya Course and the Study)! The Lecture Hall is going very well! I hope you find the lectures posted so far not only interesting but also educative! I do!

3/ New discussion threads: Yes! But don't abandon them later! Of course, if there is a poor interest towards the topic of the discussion offered the thread will soon go to the second-third page... Natural way of selection ;) :D But I don't expect any of you to suggest a dull topic! The only care will be to keep the interest "hot" ;)

Don't ever forget that we have the "Round Table" thread created ESPECIALLY and PARTICULARLY to be at the Guild-members' disposal when they wish to throw in a new idea of a new discussion or comment on the activities going on in the Guild.

Whole this post should NOT have been here BUT at the "Round Table"!
Therefore, I'll make a copy of it there and whatever comments you have, please come there :)
Yet, as I am doing here, the common reaction is to respond to something on the thread in which it appears - and so discussions grow where there should only be announcements etc. Perhaps when this happens, the posting should be moved to the appropriate thread and notification on the first thread left for those commenting to go to the new location. It may take a while doing this and it's a pain, but eventually we may all learn where we should be doing what. I know this comment should not be made here, but without the above comments to which I am responding, my post in another more appropriate thread would be nonsense and viewed as same.

[Lhunithiliel]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR GATE7OLE ! ! !

I wish you all the luck and happiness you could wish for yourself! :D
Have a most happy and successful life and let's all your dreams come true!!!!!!!!!

[gate7ole]

Thanks a lot!

[my head is still spining from last night, so you'll excuse me for not finding something better to say]

[Maedhros]

I just wanted to congratulate gate7ole, and to congratulate him and Lhun for doing a great job in this Guild.

[Lhunithiliel]

Hey! Thank you, Maedhros! :)

I am very glad to see you around! I'd be happy if our two guilds establish much more solid and beneficial relations!

[Lhunithiliel]

MEMBERS OF THE GUILD,

I am sure all of you have witnessed the lately on-going discussions in the Forum and have understood that they have lead to the revival of the old good idea of forming the C-9 Council.
Please read the respective threads in the News and Announcement forum and then vote.
Because you are one of the most active and contributing members of this whole community! :)
*****

[Beleg]

Aready Voted:) Allready Nominated.:D

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5688

I guess this is thread and this too is the thread.

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5690

And this thread is also helpful.

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10766

[gilgalad]

When you say "already voted already nominated" do you mean that the nominations have taken place? You must do(duh!), where are they? I cant find them!!!!

[Lhunithiliel]

Originally posted by gilgalad
When you say "already voted already nominated" do you mean that the nominations have taken place? You must do(duh!), where are they? I cant find them!!!!
Check this (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/announcement.php?s=&forumid=41) :)******

Why are the 2 Warning points ? !!!!!!! :eek:

[Beleg]

Oops that was a bit confusing. What i meant to say was that i had voted there and also nominated someone. But the Webmaster has asked to wait a bit so that procedure might be finaled.

Why are the 2 Warning points ? !!!!!!!


Err, i dont understand?:rolleyes: :confused:

[gate7ole]

Fellow Tolkienologists, I wanted to inform you that I resign from Deputy Master.
I will stay though as a member and contribute as much as my free time lets me to the activities of the guild.
I'm sure Lhunithiliel and FoolOfATook as Deputy Masters will handle the guild perfectly.
Thank you.

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by gate7ole
Fellow Tolkienologists, I wanted to inform you that I resign from Deputy Master.
I will stay though as a member and contribute as much as my free time lets me to the activities of the guild.
I'm sure Lhunithiliel and FoolOfATook as Deputy Masters will handle the guild perfectly.
Thank you.
If your decision is based upon external commitments and obligations, then I can only say that your efforts will be missed.

Given what has happened before on the forum, I can only hope that the above is in fact the reason for your resignation. I really quail at the thought of yet another contretemps!

God bless.

[Elennainie]

Thank you for all you've done for us, gate7ole!!!! I'm so relieved you are not leaving the forum entirely.

Anwavë, núravë,
Elennainië

[Lhunithiliel]

My dear Guild-fellows,

I would like to officially announce my resignation from being a Deputy and from my membership in this wonderful Guild.

I will miss you all! :(

Lhunithiliel

[Beleg]

But why Lhun? Why Gate? You too have done so much for the guild and finally when the time has come for you to claim the credit you are resigning? And Lhun why are you leaving the Guild! Don't tell me it is due to any squabble within the forum? We will miss you too Lhun! But please, do reconsider your choice. :eek: :eek: :confused:

Both of you will really be missed and i deem the guild wont be the same without you. This is an honest truth which I am replaying for Lhun's energy was the main thing that kept this guild running and putting forward New Ideas. Please both of you, do re-consider your decisions?

[Mrs. Maggott]

Originally posted by Beleg_strongbow
But why Lhun? Why Gate? You too have done so much for the guild and finally when the time has come for you to claim the credit you are resigning? And Lhun why are you leaving the Guild! Don't tell me it is due to any squabble within the forum? We will miss you too Lhun! But please, do reconsider your choice. :eek: :eek: :confused:

Both of you will really be missed and i deem the guild wont be the same without you. This is an honest truth which I am replaying for Lhun's energy was the main thing that kept this guild running and putting forward New Ideas. Please both of you, do re-consider your decisions?

Perhaps Lhun felt that her enthusiasm was not being responded to by others in the Guild or that she was not "good enough" to inspire the type of response among the members that she believed was itself worthy of the Guild. If that is the case, then it's sad. The Guild is doing wonderful things - the lecture series is certainly a worthy endeavor and it's merely a "first time" for that type of thing. Already the Tolkienwiki has gained some very valuable input which would not have come to pass otherwise.

There are many things going on in the Guild. Indeed, perhaps there are too many things going on and our resources as a limited group are being stretched too thin. But whatever the case, as it says in Ecclesiastes, there is a "time" for all things. The Guild cannot be "