Lhunithiliel
09-24-2003, 07:37 AM
The following is the excellent work of Eriol the Mariner ;) :) - his interpretation on the same topic - "War in Tolkien's works"
I am more than pleased to submit it to everybody's attention! :)
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Justifying Wars in Tolkien’s Mythology
Our esteemed Guild-Mistress asked me to write an essay about “War”, as part of a long-standing harassment campaign to get me more involved with Guild activities. I asked her: “War? What can I write about war? I am not a military historian, and my opinions on the many battles of Arda would be close to useless. I would say something like ‘stupid Gwindor!’, or ‘stupid Ulfang!’ – not too enlightening for our fellow guild-members.” Perhaps, I said, I could write something about how I think that wars are justifiable in Arda, even though I am completely opposed to wars in our world. “Fine!”, she said – and here I am.
So, this essay is a product of my personal opinions about war and killing in general, and therefore I think I should explain them briefly before the essay proper. It won’t take too much time, they are simply: I am against it. Against war, and against killing in general. In all cases. With no exceptions. I don’t agree with the vaunted distinction between “murder” and “killing” that people use to justify the death penalty and war; to me, “Thou shalt not kill” covers all of that. I know that my position is extreme, and probably Tolkien would not agree with it; but even so, Tolkien abhorred war, as I will show in the following quotes, and much of the argument I will develop applies to what I view as “the Tolkien position” about war -- as well as to my own.
Letter 61
How stupid everything is!, and war multiplies the stupidity by 3 and its power by itself: so one’s precious days are ruled by (3x)2 when x=normal human crassitude (and that’s bad enough)
Letter 64
The utter stupid waste of war, not only material but moral and spiritual, is so staggering to those who have to endure it. And always was (despite the poets), and always will be (despite the propagandists) – not of course that it has not been and will be necessary to face it in an evil world.
The problem is this, then – how can Tolkien glorify war and warriors in his myth while abhorring war? An easy answer is that Tolkien was doing the business of a writer, writing about a story in which wars actually occurred; and that he could not but glorify war in that setting, or else he would be condemning the “good guys”. That Aragorn and Éowyn and Faramir (and Fingolfin and Fingon and Húrin as well) demand a sympathetic view of war. In effect, this easy answer says that Tolkien is to be counted among the “poets” quoted in Letter 64; that he was showing what is fundamentally a false (glorified) image of war for literary effect.
I don’t dispute that this is part of the answer, but I don’t think it tells the whole story. I don’t think Tolkien viewed his wars as something despicable and stupid; he saw an essential difference between his mythological wars and the “real life” wars. A strong hint to that effect is his inability to write a sequel to LotR – an inability that seems to be grounded in moral scruples, perhaps:
Letter 256
I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall [of Mordor], but it proved sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice, and prosperity, would become discontented and restless – while the dynasts descended from Aragorn would become just kings and governors – like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going round doing damage. I could have written a ‘thriller’ about the plot and its Discovery and overthrow – but it would be just that. Not worth doing.
Letter 338
I have written nothing beyond the first few years of the Fourth Age. (Except the beginning of a tale supposed to refer to the end of the reign of Eldaron about 100 years after the death of Aragorn. Then I of course discovered that the King’s Peace would contain no tales worth recounting; and his wars would have little interest after the overthrow of Sauron; but that almost certainly a restlessness would appear about then, owing to the (it seems) inevitable boredom of Men with the good: there would be secret societies practising dark cults, and ‘orc-cults’ among adolescents).
tbc
I am more than pleased to submit it to everybody's attention! :)
************************************************** *
Justifying Wars in Tolkien’s Mythology
Our esteemed Guild-Mistress asked me to write an essay about “War”, as part of a long-standing harassment campaign to get me more involved with Guild activities. I asked her: “War? What can I write about war? I am not a military historian, and my opinions on the many battles of Arda would be close to useless. I would say something like ‘stupid Gwindor!’, or ‘stupid Ulfang!’ – not too enlightening for our fellow guild-members.” Perhaps, I said, I could write something about how I think that wars are justifiable in Arda, even though I am completely opposed to wars in our world. “Fine!”, she said – and here I am.
So, this essay is a product of my personal opinions about war and killing in general, and therefore I think I should explain them briefly before the essay proper. It won’t take too much time, they are simply: I am against it. Against war, and against killing in general. In all cases. With no exceptions. I don’t agree with the vaunted distinction between “murder” and “killing” that people use to justify the death penalty and war; to me, “Thou shalt not kill” covers all of that. I know that my position is extreme, and probably Tolkien would not agree with it; but even so, Tolkien abhorred war, as I will show in the following quotes, and much of the argument I will develop applies to what I view as “the Tolkien position” about war -- as well as to my own.
Letter 61
How stupid everything is!, and war multiplies the stupidity by 3 and its power by itself: so one’s precious days are ruled by (3x)2 when x=normal human crassitude (and that’s bad enough)
Letter 64
The utter stupid waste of war, not only material but moral and spiritual, is so staggering to those who have to endure it. And always was (despite the poets), and always will be (despite the propagandists) – not of course that it has not been and will be necessary to face it in an evil world.
The problem is this, then – how can Tolkien glorify war and warriors in his myth while abhorring war? An easy answer is that Tolkien was doing the business of a writer, writing about a story in which wars actually occurred; and that he could not but glorify war in that setting, or else he would be condemning the “good guys”. That Aragorn and Éowyn and Faramir (and Fingolfin and Fingon and Húrin as well) demand a sympathetic view of war. In effect, this easy answer says that Tolkien is to be counted among the “poets” quoted in Letter 64; that he was showing what is fundamentally a false (glorified) image of war for literary effect.
I don’t dispute that this is part of the answer, but I don’t think it tells the whole story. I don’t think Tolkien viewed his wars as something despicable and stupid; he saw an essential difference between his mythological wars and the “real life” wars. A strong hint to that effect is his inability to write a sequel to LotR – an inability that seems to be grounded in moral scruples, perhaps:
Letter 256
I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall [of Mordor], but it proved sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice, and prosperity, would become discontented and restless – while the dynasts descended from Aragorn would become just kings and governors – like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going round doing damage. I could have written a ‘thriller’ about the plot and its Discovery and overthrow – but it would be just that. Not worth doing.
Letter 338
I have written nothing beyond the first few years of the Fourth Age. (Except the beginning of a tale supposed to refer to the end of the reign of Eldaron about 100 years after the death of Aragorn. Then I of course discovered that the King’s Peace would contain no tales worth recounting; and his wars would have little interest after the overthrow of Sauron; but that almost certainly a restlessness would appear about then, owing to the (it seems) inevitable boredom of Men with the good: there would be secret societies practising dark cults, and ‘orc-cults’ among adolescents).
tbc