Kings of Arnor catalogue

[Astaldo]

I am trying to collect as many information about chronologie etc. and I would like you to help me. First I will start with the Kings of Arnor. What I found so far is this:


Elendil (Ruled for 121 years to 3441 SA)
Isildur (Ruled for 2 years to 2 TA)
Valandil (Ruled for 239 years to 249 TA)
Eldacar
Arantar
Tarcil (Ruled for 80 years)
Tarondor
Valandur (Ruled for 50 years)
Elendur (Ruled for 125 years)
Earendur
If anyone knows something more than, or if you find something wrong this please tell me.

[Valandil]

I am trying to collect as many information about chronologie etc. and I would like you to help me. First I will start with the Kings of Arnor. What I found so far is this:


Elendil (Ruled for 121 years to 3441 SA)
Isildur (Ruled for 2 years to 2 TA)
Valandil (Ruled for 239 years to 249 TA)
Eldacar
Arantar
Tarcil (Ruled for 80 years)
Tarondor
Valandur (Ruled for 50 years)
Elendur (Ruled for 125 years)
Earendur
If anyone knows something more than, or if you find something wrong this please tell me.

Yes Astaldo, the beginning of Appendix A gives the year each of them ended their reign (and presumably, their lives). You have the first 3, so picking it up from there:

4. Eldacar - to TA 339
5. Arantar - to TA 435
6. Tarcil - TA 515
7. Tarondor - TA 602
8. Valandur - TA 652 (with a note that he died before his time - we might assume in battle)
9. Elendur - TA 777
10. Earendur - TA 861

Chapter VII, "The Heirs of Elendil" - in The Peoples of Middle-Earth, gives the following as dates of birth, and years lived, for each of them:

1. Elendil - SA 3119 (322)
2. Isildur - SA 3209 (232)
3. Valandil - SA 3430 (260)
4. Eldacar - TA 87 (252)
5. Arantar - TA 185 (250)
6. Tarcil - TA 280 (235)
7. Tarondor - TA 372 (230)
8. Valandur - TA 462 (190)
9. Elendur - TA 552 (225)
10. Earendur - TA 640 (221)

HOWEVER, as I stated in a thread I recently started up at 'The Noldorin Forge', I think we can take some of those dates with a grain of salt. Some of them tie in with older versions of other parts of the history (later-modified information on kings and the Akallabeth, for instance), which were changed fairly substantially from those early notes to later published versions. I wonder if JRRT would have revised some of the above accordingly, if he'd had the chance.

For instance, I really think Elendil's father Amandil would have ended up as the contemporary of Ar-Pharazon, instead of Elendil himself (while the date given for Elendil is one year after Ar-Pharazon's birth)... so I might wonder about the years shown for births of Elendil and Isildur. However, once we get to Valandil, we have to stick with his date of birth to make the story work, so we might as well go on from there.

Incidentally, Tolkien made one out-and-out mistake a little further down this list (in PoMe). He gives 1938 as the year that Aranarth was born - but his parents, Arvedui and Firiel, were not wed until 1940, when Gondor and Arthedain/Arnor re-established ties. :eek:

;)

[Astaldo]

Thank you Valandil. Soon I will post more catalogues that i don't know some things.

[Astaldo]

Now it's time for the Kings of Arthedain.

11. Arvegil (Ruled for 73 years to TA 1743
12. Arveleg II (?)
13. Araval (Ruled for 78 years to ?)
14. Araphant (Ruled for 73 years to ?)
15. Arvendui (Ruled for ? years to TA 1975)

KINGS OF ROHAN


Eorl the Young (?)
Brego (?)
Aldor (Ruled for ? years to TA 2645)
Frea (Ruled for 14 years to TA 2659)
Freawine (Ruled for 21 years to TA 2680)
Goldwine (Ruled for 19 years to Ta 2699)
Deor (Ruled for 19 years to TA 2718)
Gram (?)
Helm Hammerhand (?)
Frealaf Hildeson (Ruled for 39 years to ?)
Brytta Leofa (Ruled for 44 years to ?)
Walda (?)
Folca (?)
Folcwine (?)
Fengel (?)
Thengel (Ruled for ? years to TA 2980)
Theoden (Ruled for 39 years to TA 3019)
Eomen Eadig (Ruled for 65 years to FA 63)
Elfwine (Ruled from FA 63)
Anyone who knows please help.

[Valandil]

Astaldo, do you not have a copy of LOTR? Appendix A would have most of the information you're looking for. It just goes right through the lists of kings.

If you don't have it, where are you getting the information that you do post above?

[Astaldo]

Of course I have the book but it only says.

Appendix A
The Chronicles of Kings and Rulers.

Then below this title it sais the parts of the Appendix:
First Part
a) The King of Numenor
b) Kingdoms in exile
c) Short story of Eriador, Arnor and the Heirs of Isildur
d) Story of Gondor and the Heirs of Anarion
e) the story of Aragorn and Arwen

Second part says about the story of the House of Eorl

Third part: Story about Durin.

But after all these it has only a little expert of the story of Aragorn and Arwen. Isn't your book like this?

[Valandil]

Wow - I wonder if your translation cut something out. My 'b' is labeled 'ii' and begins with lists of 'Northern Line' (listing all Kings of Arnor, Kings of Arthedain and Chieftains) and 'Southern Line' (listing all Kings of Gondor and Ruling Stewards). Those lists show when they reigned until. Mine also has a list of all 'Kings of the Mark' in the section on Rohan, broken in to 'First Line' (which starts with Earl and goes to Helm). 'Second Line' (Frealaf to Theoden) and 'Third Line' (only Eomer). It's really a shame if you don't have that. Especially since, like me, you seem to have an interest in it.

Try checking a library for a more complete version if you can.

Meanwhile, I will oblige with the Kings of Arthedain... I will number beginning at #11 but that will be the first king there, following the #10 of King Earendur, who was last king of Arnor... so in a sense, it's really a list of Elendil's descendents. I will show #, name, (year born, years lived - from 'The Peoples of Middle-Earth'), and year reign ended (all Third Age).

Kings of Arthedain:
11. Amlaith, (726/220) 946
12. Beleg, (811/218) 1029
13. Mallor, (895/215) 1110
14. Celepharn, (979/212) 1191
15. Celebrindor, (1062/210) 1272
16. Malvegil, (1144/205) 1349
17. +Argeleb I, (1226/130) 1356
18. +Arveleg I, (1309/100) 1409
19. Araphor, (1391/198) 1589
20. Argeleb II, (1473/197) 1670
21. Arvegil, (1553/190) 1743
22. Arveleg II, (1633/180) 1813
23. Araval, (1711/180) 1891
24. Araphant, (1789/175) 1964
25. +Arvedui, (1864/110) 1974*

+ - signifies premature death. All three of those in this list attributable to Angmar.
* - Arvedui actually dies in early 1975, but his kingdom was crushed in late 1974

I will leave it to someone else to list the Kings of Rohan for you. :)

PS: How DID you glean the information you did know?? Was it from other things mentioned in your appendix? Or did you read something else that gave you some of the information??

[Aulë]

This is pretty much directly out of the Appendices:

THE KINGS OF THE MARK

First Line
Year
2485-2545 (Reigned for 35 years)
1. Eorl the Young. He was so named because he succeeded his father in youth and remained yellow-haired and ruddy to the end of his days. These were shortened by a renewed attack of the Easterlings. Eorl fell in battle in the Wold, and the first mound was raised. Felaróf was laid there also.

2512-70 (Reigned for 35 years)
2. Brego. He drove the enemy out of the Wold, and Rohan was not attacked again for many years. In 2569 he completed the great hall of Meduseld. At the feast his son Baldor vowed that he would tread 'the Paths of the Dead' and did not return. Brego died of grief the next year.

2544-2645 (Reigned for 75 years)
3. Aldor the Old. He was Brego's second son. He became known as the Old, since he lived to a great age, and was king for 75 years. In his time the Rohirrim increased, and drove out or subdued the last of the Dunlendish people that lingered east of Isen. Harrowdale and other mountain-valleys were settled. Of the next three kings little is said, for Rohan had peace and prospered in their time.

2570-2659 (Reigned for 14 years)
4. Fréa. Eldest son, but fourth child of Aldor; he was already old when he became king.

2594-2680 (Reigned for 21 years)
5. Fréawine.

2619-99 (Reigned for 19 years)
6. Goldwine.

2644-2718 (Reigned for 19 years)
7. Déor. In his time the Dunlendings raided often over the Isen. In 2710 they occupied the deserted ring of Isengard, and could not be dislodged.

2668-2741 (Reigned for 23 years)
8. Gram.

2691-2759 (Reigned for 18 years)
9. Helm Hammerhand. At the end of his reign Rohan suffered great loss, by invasion and the Long Winter. Helm and his sons Haleth and Háma perished. Fréaláf, Helm's sister's son, became king.


Second line
Year
2726-2798 (Reigned for 39 years)
10. Fréaláf Hildeson. In his time Saruman came to Isengard, from which the Dunlendings had been driven. The Rohirrim at first profited by his friendship in the days of dearth and weakness that followed.

2752-2842 (Reigned for 44 years)
11. Brytta. He was called by his people Léofa, for he was loved by all; he was openhanded and a help to all the needy. In his time there was war with Orcs that, driven from the North, sought refuges in the White Mountains. When he died it was thought that they had all been hunted out; but it was not so.

2780-2851 (Reigned for 9 years)
12. Walda. He was king only nine years. He was slain with all his companions when they were trapped by Orcs, as they rode by mountain-paths from Dunharrow.

2804-64 (Reigned for 13 years)
13. Folca. He was a great hunter, but he vowed to chase no wild beast while there was an Orc left in Rohan. When the last orc-hold was found and destroyed, he went to hunt the great boar of Everholt in the Firien Wood. He slew the boar but died of the tusk-wounds that it gave him.

2830-2903 (Reigned for 29 years)
14. Folcwine. When he became king the Rohirrim had recovered their strength. He reconquered the west-march (between Adorn and Isen) that Dunlendings had occupied. Rohan had received great help from Gondor in the evil days. When, therefore, he heard that the Haradrim were assailing Gondor with great strength, he sent many men to the help of the Steward. He wished to lead them himself, but was dissuaded, and his twin sons Folcred and Fastred (born 2858) went in his stead. They fell side by side in battle in Ithilien (2885). Turin II of Gondor sent to Folcwine a rich weregild of gold.

2870-2953 (Reigned for 50 years)
15. Fengel. He was the third son and fourth child of Folcwine. He is not remembered with praise. He was greedy of food and of gold, and at strife with his marshals, and with his children. Thengel, his third child and only son, left Rohan when he came to manhood and lived long in Gondor, and won honour in the service of Turgon.

2905-80 (Reigned for 27 years)
16. Thengel. He took no wife until late, but in 2943 he wedded Morwen of Lossarnach in Gondor, though she was seventeen years the younger. She bore him three children in Gondor, of whom Théoden, the second, was his only son. When Fengel died the Rohirrim recalled him, and he returned unwillingly. But he proved a good and wise king; though the speech of Gondor was used in his house, and not all men thought that good. Morwen bore him two more daughters in Rohan; and the last, Théodwyn, was the fairest, though she came late (2963), the child of his age. Her brother loved her dearly.
It was soon after Thengel's return that Saruman declared himself Lord of Isengard and began to give trouble to Rohan, encroaching on its borders and supporting its enemies.

2948-3019 (Reigned for 39 years)
17. Théoden. He is called Théoden Ednew in the lore of Rohan, for he fell into a decline under the spells of Saruman, but was healed by Gandalf, and in the last year of his life arose and led his men to victory at the Hornburg, and soon after to the Fields of Pelennor, the greatest battle of the Age. He fell before the gates of Mundburg. For a while he rested in the land of his birth, among the dead Kings of Gondor, but was brought back and laid in the eighth mound of his line at Edoras. Then a new line was begun.

Third Line
Year
2991-F.A. 63 (3084) (Reigned for 65 years)
18. Éomer Éadig. When still young he became a Marshal of the Mark (3017) and was given his father's charge in the east marches. In the War of the Ring Théodred fell in battle with Saruman at the Crossings of Isen. Therefore before he died on the Fields of the Pelennor Théoden named Éomer his heir and called him king. In that day Éowyn also won renown, for she fought in that battle, riding in disguise; and was known after in the Mark as the Lady of the Shield-arm.
Éomer became a great king, and being young when he succeeded Théoden he reigned for sixty-five years, longer than all their kings before him save Aldor the Old. In the War of the Ring he made the friendship of King Elessar, and of Imrahil of Dol Amroth; and he rode often to Gondor. In the last year of the Third Age he wedded Lothíriel, daughter of Imrahil. Their son Elfwine the Fair ruled after him.
In Éomer's day in the Mark men had peace who wished for it, and the people increased both in the dales and the plains, and their horses multiplied. In Gondor the King Elessar now ruled, and in Arnor also. In all the lands of those realms of old he was king, save in Rohan only; for he renewed to Éomer the gift of Cirion, and Éomer took again the Oath of Eorl. Often he fulfilled it. For though Sauron had passed, the hatreds and evils that he bred had not died, and the King of the West had many enemies to subdue before the White Tree could grow in peace. And wherever King Elessar went with war King Éomer went with him; and beyond the Sea of Rhûn and on the far fields of the South the thunder of the cavalry of the Mark was heard, and the White Horse upon Green flew in many winds until Éomer grew old.

19. Elfwine the Fair

[Astaldo]

Thank you both Valandil and Aule for your great help. And yes maybe the translator cutted a lot of things unfortunately. I will try to find another book more "complete".

Now about the rest information most of them I took them from the Encyclopedia of Arda. (very useful site :) ) But it took me a lot of time to ather all this stuff.

[Halasían]

Some translations do not have the full appendices in them. I have a German copy that only has a couple of the stories in it.

Good effort folks! :)