Snape? Innocent or guilty.

[spirit]

Hey HP Freaks! (I mean that is a good way ;) )

This is one of the most debateful topic which had been swirling in my mind for ages, and I though I'd go ahead and creat a topic.

I want your views, is he innocent, or not? (No member bashing, and more importantly, no Spirit or Snape bashing. Please. We're fragile.)

Despite his insecurities Snape is not a bad individual. He is actually intelligent, and when he is not being pompous he is able to lend his wisdom and expertise to Dumbledore for good and not evil. I truly believe that the animosity will continue between Snape and Harry, and Harry will end up saving Snape’s life like his father did years before.

As for that incident with Dumbledore's death and promise to Draco's mother, it was the only way to remain inconspicious without questioning the fact he's a spy. Or shall I say "spy" for I still have some doubt.

Okay, call me obsessed or whatever - I've read the Half Blooded Prince once as a whole book, but there are snips ofthe book, and the scene where Snape Aveda's Dumbledore which I've read over and done some anylysing... sad? And I actually think Dunbledore was alsomt pleading for Snape to "finish him off". He was weak as it were from their earlier task.
I think Dumbledore believes that there is still hope for Malfoy to come to the side of the light, and that's another reason he wanted Snape to kill him rather than Draco to become a murderer. Draco was hesitating...

And....well, in the last book, there is a possibility that Draco's mother may meet her end, which may cause Draco to re-eavaluate his position on which his he stands.... (If you know what I mean) and may ask for sanctuary from the other side...

Besides, there is no wat that Dumbledore would not know about the promise which Snape made. Snape would have told him if he truely was on Dumbledore's side. And don't forget that Dumbledore is a powerful at Occulemens so he would know the thuth...

Sorry to not provide quotes... I've not got my book...

[VioletFalcon129]

Wowzer.

We already covered this in the official thread, but we can take it here, if you want. (You want the exact pages? Tell me and I'll figure it out.)

There was a good snape vs bad snape in Entertainmnet Weekly, i think. (My mother grabed the mag a soon as she saw a pic of Dan as harry on the front, and babbled on [no offense mum] about Snape, as she is obsessed with him. And Alan Rickman. But that is not the point.)

To the question of Innocent or Guilty?

INNOCNET, DUH!!!

I love Sev very much. I probably would have gotten the same treatment from the Marauders that he did. (which would suck, as I love M.W.P.&P.)

I think he's innocent. Or perhaps out for no one but himself.
But I'm hoping for innocent.

It would be really ick of Rowling to make him evil. I mean, come on, Harry thought he was evil so many times, he HAS to be good. He's so snippy and saracstic and nasty (in a good way. no, I'm actually serious. Sev rules), he MUST be good, or he will be a rubbish character. Well, not really, but it would really take away from his character if he was evil.

SLYTHERIN RULES!!!

-Vi

[spirit]

Wowzer.
In a good way or a bad way? :p

And Alan Rickman.God, he's got a voice to die for. God, why couldn't he be my chemistry teacher in school? ...But you're right, that's not the point, before we get carried away...

It would be really ick of Rowling to make him evil. Oh, Rowling [10mins of profound swearing] is a ICK!! because she already got rid of Sirrius at the end of the 5th book. THAT, was utterly MEAN!!
And then she does this to Dumbledore, though it was a HUGE surprise that Snape actually DID it! I mean.... Snape... killed the only person in the world who had faith in him... :eek: (Although partially because Dumbledore may have known this would happen and may have ??encouraged?? Snape.)

SLYTHERIN RULES!!!

http://fanart.lionking.org/Artists/Kira617/ThatCantBeGood6.jpg

[Wolfshead]

Ah, you beat me to it spirit. I was going to start a Snape: Friend or Foe? thread eventually :)

I reckon he is indeed a bad guy, but...

I do have some other theories :D

It could be that the only way he could keep his cover was to swear the Unbreakable Vow with Narcissa. Had he refused, Bellatrix might have reported her suspicions to Voldemort and he might have uncovered the truth. Snape may or may not have known that Malfoy's task was to kill Dumbledore, or perhaps that task was added to Malfoy's list later in the year, and Snape was still tied by the vow.

My other idea is that perhaps Snape is not really on anybody's side. Maybe he's chasing his own ends? Perhaps driven by personal vendettas or a desire to replace the Dark Lord with himself :cool:

[spirit]

Snape may or may not have known that Malfoy's task was to kill Dumbledore, or perhaps that task was added to Malfoy's list later in the year, and Snape was still tied by the vow.
FOr some reason, I think Snape did know what he was getting himself into. Besides, what do you take Snape for? Some sort of idiot? He would not just make a vow without fully knowing his task. Right? I hope so.


Your second theory made me laugh! It's possible, but it's just as silly as my other theory... :o which I was to... embaressed to mention earlier...
Snape is on no one's side, but when at the end there IS a winning side, that's the side he'ss say he was working for. And I don't really want to believe that.. incase the bad side wins. Though it's not going to be possible... BECAUSE WE HAVE HARRY, HERMIONE, AND RON... oh, and PHAWKES!

[VioletFalcon129]

Snape out for himself? That's not stupid! Didn't I already say that?.... *confusation*

about Sirius: TOTALLY!!! But he's comming back. (OR ELSE, ROWLING, OR ELSE!!!!!)

Fawkes.

haaaa....

Wowzer = impressed. Definately good way.

WEASSLY IS OUR KIIIING

-Vi

[spirit]

about Sirius: TOTALLY!!! But he's comming back. (OR ELSE, ROWLING, OR ELSE!!!!!) Otherwise, can we go egg her house? :)

[VioletFalcon129]

:confused: Egg her house?

I was thinking something a little more brutal.

-Vi

:D

[Wolfshead]

I'm certain Sirius won't be coming back - Rowling said at the time that she cried whilst writing that scene. If he was going to come back then she wouldn't have been as emotional.

Sorry... :rolleyes:

[Wonko The Sane]

In regards to Sirius returning the nature of his death does sort of lend itself to his return.
And just because JK cried while writing it doesn't mean he won't come back. Sometimes when people write something really sad, beautiful, etc. it makes them cry, but also such things can stir your emotions because you can identify with the characters.
I felt really bad for Harry, the way he refused to believe that Sirius was dead...it was heartbreaking. *tear*
I doubt Sirius will come back, but I wouldn't be surprised.

As for Snape being innocent or guilty let's just say that, at least in one respect, he is guilty. He is guilty of killing Dumbledore. No question.

Is he a traitor to the OotP?

That is deliberatley left unanswered. That whole scene is ambiguous.

Let us consider Dumbledore's commitment to his cause.
He would, I believe, sacrifice himself if he felt it would help the others survive, and they desperately need an agent on their side who Voldemort trusts.
I personally believe that Dumbledore and Snape had an agreement. Snape would, no matter how difficult, kill Dumbledore if it came to it if that was the only way to remain under cover. Snape already had Voldemort's trust, but now he has Bellatrix and Narcissa's trust as well. He is, to those on Voldemort's side, undoubtedly Voldemort's staunchest supporter. He killed he whom nobody else dared to kill.

The wording in that scene is very ambiguous. You could take it either way. Dumbledore is, as Harry perceives, pleading with Snape. But is he pleading with Snape to spare him or to have the courage to kill him and do what's right to save the world? Snape looks on Dumbledore with loathing. But is it loathing for the man, or loathing for what he must do to the only man who ever trusted him after the mistakes he made in his youth, the only reputable man who was still on his side after so many years?

I prefer to believe that Snape, though he does hate Harry, would not have killed Dumbledore if Dumbledore hadn't asked him to through prior arrangement, but that's just what I want to believe.

There's not really enough information to figure it out either way. I prefer to believe he's good, if a bit bitter and sad.

[VioletFalcon129]

Good angle: that he's guilty of killing Dumbly no matter how you look at it.

Sirius muuussst come baaaaack!!!!

(I know some of you think not. This is my way of wishful thinking/imploring/praying.)

The whole "oooh, is Snape a baddie or gooddie?" thing was of course, intened by J.K. She wants us to torture ourselves thinking over it.

So in all logic, we go ahead and do that.

yep...

I think we covered most of the angles... any new ones, peeps?

-Vi

[Wonko The Sane]

Good angle: that he's guilty of killing Dumbly no matter how you look at it.


It's true, and that guilt could be used in more ambiguous situations in the next book.

His guilt and feelings of guilt could be used to make us believe that he did it out of malice and hatred and loyalty to Voldemort until all is revealed to Harry later in the book. :)


Sirius muuussst come baaaaack!!!!


I hope he does too, but I think he probably won't.

[VioletFalcon129]

I hope he does too, but I think he probably won't.

*pout*

blah...:(

-Vi

[AraCelebEarwen]

*reading only the thread title, Ara runs in and starts without looking around*

He's both I tell you! He did it cuz he had to and cuz it was already done! He may have killed D but it wasn't because of that that D died. He didn't start it and there's no way that he finished it. Not like it would look at least. He... It... They... WHEN?! WHY?!! AAAAAHHH!

I don't claim to have 'studied' much of anything but I know someone that enjoys to spend some of her free time working over things... She has a lot of thoughts and hopes and things she knows will just have to happen and likes to talk them out.

I'll have to read the thread now that I've said anything. Just to see how big a fool I just made myself look. :o

:D

[VioletFalcon129]

Aaaaack.

Confusation.

He didn't start it or finish it? Finish WHAT? :confused:

I think i miiight get the gist. Might. But, man. Confuuusing.

Soooo... you say that Sev may have killed D, but it was going to happen and Sev was jsut the fool who did it? Or something like that?

.... @__@

-Vi

[Wonko The Sane]

C'mon, Ara.

We get enough ambiguity and head-messing from JKR. This thread is supposed to be one where we talk out our theories, not try to confuse, keep secrets, and play mind games.

Tell us what you think is going to happen or Snape's reasons were etc. or just read and don't mess with us.

Is not nice. :(

[AraCelebEarwen]

er... yeah... hehe. Sorry 'bout that. :D

*clears throat*

Alright. I guess I tend to think the Sev did actually finish D off. But only because he was already as good as dead. I mean, he was at least suffering! And I would have to agree the Sev and D didn't want Malfoy to scar himself by taking a life and diving head on into the dark side.

Sev is innocent because he didn't do anything that wasn't already happening. In fact he was of great service because he stopped D's suffering and kept Malfoy from doing anything.

He's guilty because there may still have been something of a chance to save D but he didn't do anything to that effect. (In my own mind anyway...)

I wasn't implying that Sev was 'the fool that did it' but more that he's made himself more of a hated hero.

=*_*=

Sorry if that doesn't clear anything up a bit... I can leave...

[Erestor Arcamen]

Snape is innocent.

First off, him and Dumbledore were arguing. You know why? because he is true to Dumbledore. Dumbledore trusted him and was like a father to him and he knew it. He was always a jerk to anyone other than Slytherins and Dumbledore. If he were truly serving the Dark lord (which he's not, he's only working for Dumbledore and all) why would he show Fudge his tattoo and convince him that voldy was back, why wouldnt he kill Harry and become a hero among the death eaters? why? because Dumbledore told him the prophecy and he knows that the only way voldy will ever get beat for good is through Harry. Dumbledore was the greatest wizard of all time, and he was right in trusting snape. Snape said something about "not wanting to do it anymore" and Dumbledore told him that "he had agreed to do it and that was all there was to it". My guess is that Dumbledore knew about the unbreakable vow that Snape made. I also think that Snape, being the potion guy that he is knew from Dumbledore's symptoms after drinking the horucrux liquid that he was a goner anyway. I think Snape had to make a choice and it wasn't a popular one, but he killed a dying man to fulfill his oath and to remain undercover.

[Barliman Butterbur]

Hey HP Freaks! (I mean that in a good way ;) )

... is he innocent, or not? (No member bashing, and more importantly, no Spirit or Snape bashing. Please. We're fragile.)

It's clear you know your HP! However, since the final book hasn't been published yet, the jury's still out. We'll know eventually!

Barley

[Noldor_returned]

Yeah, but he isn't innocent of killing Dumbledore. There is no way Dumbledore is alive, seeing as he was hit with Avada Kedavra, fell out of a really tall building and got buried undergound.

[AraCelebEarwen]

Erestor A, I would think that Snape would indeed have a very good chance of knowing the potion by the reaction. I would think he'd know enough that, even if he didn't know exactly what it was, he would know if there was anything that could be done.

seeing as he was hit with Avada Kedavra, fell out of a really tall building and got buried undergound.
Was that really AK though? After all, some can think one thing and say another...

Tall building? I'll give ya that one. *shudders*

Buried under ground?! Try again. It was a not only above ground (the marble coffin) but what was with that fire? Anyone else tend to think cremation..? Grifendor's element is fire after all... I can't remember what I was going to say though... *slinks back into shadows*

[Erestor Arcamen]

see Snape is like a high powered wizard, what if he said avada kedavra but did something else (a non verbal spell). he knew what Dumbledore wanted and he did it, he knew that potion. after the fall, no one ever sees Dumbledore's body. at the funeral its covered by a cloth (as Hagrid carries it in), when its on the ground its covered with a cloth. Possibly a spell that makes the bearer of it unable/undersireable to look underneathe. And a hard fall, Dumbledore die from that? the greatest wizard of all times die from falling off a building? i think not, he oviously could stop himself from falling, i mean he fought voldy and all.

[Noldor_returned]

I stand by what I say! Snape killed Dubly-dore.

[Erestor Arcamen]

itd be nice if you had some like you know arguments to help support your theory nr, thats what a good debate is about after all...

[Noldor_returned]

I don't care about debating with facts or anything. I mean, all this is just speculation and circumstantial evidence at the moment anyway. But...
if you want fact, I'll give you fact:

Malfoy was sent to kill Dumbledore
Snape had sworn with the Unbreakable Vow to kill him if Malfoy failed
Snape spoke the words 'Avada Kedavra' and a jet of green light hit Dumbledore
Somebody who looked like Dumbledore fell out of the tower
A funeral for Dumbledore was held
Dumbledore has a brotherSo, if Dumbledore has a brother, is it possible they are twins, and are also identical? Snape would be 'fulfilling his duty'. That is the only possible way I see Snape being innocent. Otherwise, all the other facts point towards Snape being guilty.

[Erestor Arcamen]

see now thats what i was lookin for lol ;) anyways heres what i got to say, the unbreakable vow says that Snape would kill Dumbledore, and there's no way to undo or fool this vow oviously. So anyways, there's a scene where Dumbledore and Snape are arguing. My theory is this, Dumbledore of course knew about the Malfoy's and their ties with Voldemort(i mean the malfoy parents that is), and he most likely had the ideas and inclinations that young master Malfoy also was getting himself intertwined. Dumbledore also would do anything to protect his students. He oviously knew that Snape took this unbreakable vow, and in doing this is protecting a student and doing what Dumbledore would want of him, to do whatever it takes to prove that he is faithful to Voldemort and have his trust so that he would be able to learn what is happening. So anyways, Dumbledore and Snape were aruging profusely. Dumbledore as previously stated knew about Snape's vowel. He knew what Snape had to do, and Snape also knew what he had to do, and he didnt want to do it. Snape does not want to kill Dumbledore. Dumbledore is like a father to him, and he loves him. Dumbledore trusted Snape when no one else would, Dumbledore gave Snape a job at Hogwarts and everything, Snape owed him big time. Dumbledore being the powerful wizard he is, would oviously know if Snape were going to betray him. The argument they were having is on whether Snape will through with his vowel. Oviously he doesn't want to kill Dumbledore, but he has to and Dumbledore wants him to. Dumbledor will do anything to protect his students. Besides, like he said, "there are things far worse than death." If Snape were evil, woudlnt he kill Harry? He hated Harry and his parents so much, but he never did anything about it. He could have easily killed Harry at any time, heck he even saved Harry's life at his first Quidditch match, doesn't sound like something that someone true to Voldemort would do. So yes Snape could have very well killed Dumbledore, but thios doesn't mean he is true to Voldemort fully, he's just working undercover, workin for the good guys.

[Majimaune]

Sorry NR but I think that Dumbledores brother was younger and I think he was dead before that (couldnt be sure though). Unless theres a potion or spell that can make some one look like another (I know theres the pollijuice potion but thats a bit crude) it was Dumbledore that was

Killed by the Avada Kederva killing curse
Fell out of a very tall tower
Harry sees his dead body
Covered in marble
Buried or something like that SNAPE IS GUILTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[33Peregrin]

My friends and I have discussed this so many times. Snape did kill Dumbledore, but I think he had no choice in the position he was in. I think Dumbledore knew this, it was unfortinate but unavoidable. By not killing Dumbledore, Snape would have destroyed everything that everyone had been working so hard for. Though Snape is not always an admirable character, I don't believe that he is "evil". To doubt Snape's goodness is to doubt Dumbledore's judgement. This is the main reason why I believe that Snape is not evil, or at least did not do anything that he did not have any choice in. I think that if Snape were evil, we (the readers) would have been told why Dumbledore was so adamant in his trust of Snape, and why in the end his trust was faulty. But that is something we do not know yet, so we have to keep trusting Snape without Dumbledore there telling us to.

Everyone I've also talked with has wondered if Dumbledore will come back again, returning in a similar way to Gandalf. I don't think he will. I think that if anyone will return, it will be Sirius. That was books ago, and we've had time to live with his death. Also, again, Sirius' death and the veil were not explained to us. I think that we will understand some of this in the final book, whether Sirius returns or not.

[Noldor_returned]

Dumbledore said no spell can reawaken the dead, and that death is just another great journey we must all take, so he was accepting death. Seeing as how it's been a few months since I read half-blood prince, the deatails are a bit sketchy.
Even if Snape was still working for the good guys, he's still guilty. Nothing can change that. Considering his record, and what he did, the Order of the Phoenix won't let him back in. As far as he's concerned, he has to disappear, and the easiest place for him to go to is Voldemort. Otherwise Voldemort will kill him.

[Majimaune]

Name one good thing Snapes done other then protect Harry in the first year at Hogwarts? Some one please

[spirit]

see Snape is like a high powered wizard, what if he said avada kedavra but did something else (a non verbal spell). he knew what Dumbledore wanted and he did it, he knew that potion. after the fall, no one ever sees Dumbledore's body. at the funeral its covered by a cloth (as Hagrid carries it in), when its on the ground its covered with a cloth. Possibly a spell that makes the bearer of it unable/undersireable to look underneathe. And a hard fall, Dumbledore die from that? the greatest wizard of all times die from falling off a building? i think not, he oviously could stop himself from falling, i mean he fought voldy and all.
Talk about far-fetched!! :eek: Truely now...
In the forth book, Moody says that no one in the past has been able to save themselves from the Killing Curse - 'cept Harry because he's just weird. ;)

And for real, I truely doubt that the Killing Curse was a dud. It was real - the green flash - and there was no escaping.
And the part about "the greatest wizard of all times die from falling off a building" - it's sad. Very sad.

::Has an image of Dumbledore Accio-ing Harry's Firebolt and flying off into the sunset...::

I don't care about debating with facts or anything. I mean, all this is just speculation and circumstantial evidence at the moment anyway. But...
if you want fact, I'll give you fact:

Malfoy was sent to kill Dumbledore
Snape had sworn with the Unbreakable Vow to kill him if Malfoy failed
Snape spoke the words 'Avada Kedavra' and a jet of green light hit Dumbledore
Somebody who looked like Dumbledore fell out of the tower
A funeral for Dumbledore was held
Dumbledore has a brother
So, if Dumbledore has a brother, is it possible they are twins, and are also identical? Snape would be 'fulfilling his duty'. That is the only possible way I see Snape being innocent. Otherwise, all the other facts point towards Snape being guilty.

Oh, I like the point about the "identical" twins part. We've not been told that's they're not iddentical. Though, it confuddeles me if the Vow would allow that trechery? And when would the Real Dumbledore and Brother Dumblefore have swapped positions?
And in the one of the books, does it not mention that the brother couldn't do magic? Or was that he couldn't read? Argh. I need the books!! [Scene when Hagrid was... sulking? Might be the 4th book?]
Also - there's another point to consider: would Dumbledore really sacrifice his own brother's life to save his own?
::Has doubts about that::


To doubt Snape's goodness is to doubt Dumbledore's judgement. This is the main reason why I believe that Snape is not evil, or at least did not do anything that he did not have any choice in.
We must consider some of Dumbledore's other choices. Yes, he is wise (and all) but he has made some silly choices in the past - and he admites one of them himself. Quotes would be nice at the time like this.
5th book, he should have told Harry about the prophect rather than fretting about it and "waiting" for the right time.
An old fool's mistake.

Name one good thing Snapes done other then protect Harry in the first year at Hogwarts? Some one please
Mmm, good things he's done?
- Well, he's a good teacher. So he may be biased, but he's much better than [sorry] Hagrid, Umbrige, Lockhart. He's up in the list with McGonagall and Flitwick.
- He helped Harry with his Occulumency [sp?] skills. Before Harry went spying on him... Idiot.
- He's helped Madam Promfrey with the Mandrakes in the second year - that helped Hermione.
- [Debatable] He also came to the rescue when he though they'd been taken alive by Sirrus. Though he's never admit that. He's just say that he wanted to kill black. Muahaha!
- He's working for the order - spying.
- In Umbrige's office, when Harry did yell - they've got Padfoot, he ignored him at first, but he did check to see that Sirrus was still there.

[Erestor Arcamen]

remember also, he saved harry in his first quidditch match when dear old Quirrel(sp?) goofed around with harry's broom. Also, if Snape was workin for Voldy fully and truly, why would he confront Quirrel like he did in the first book, when Quirrel was trying to get Voldemort the Sorcerer's Stone, i mean if Snape were loyal to Voldemort, wouldnt he want Quirrel to be able to get the Sorcer's Stone? Heck, Snape had a pretty nice trap thing down in that dungeon protecting the Stone, if he really wanted it to be captured he woulda made the test easier or completely fake.

[Wolfshead]

Also, if Snape was workin for Voldy fully and truly, why would he confront Quirrel like he did in the first book, when Quirrel was trying to get Voldemort the Sorcerer's Stone, i mean if Snape were loyal to Voldemort, wouldnt he want Quirrel to be able to get the Sorcer's Stone?
I recall Snape explaining this in HBP (I think it when he was speaking to Bellatrix) by saying he was unaware Quirrell was doing it on behalf of Voldemort and assumed Quirrell wanted it for himself.

[Noldor_returned]

remember also, he saved harry in his first quidditch match when dear old Quirrel(sp?) goofed around with harry's broom. Also, if Snape was workin for Voldy fully and truly, why would he confront Quirrel like he did in the first book, when Quirrel was trying to get Voldemort the Sorcerer's Stone, i mean if Snape were loyal to Voldemort, wouldnt he want Quirrel to be able to get the Sorcer's Stone? Heck, Snape had a pretty nice trap thing down in that dungeon protecting the Stone, if he really wanted it to be captured he woulda made the test easier or completely fake.

I thought Majimaune said apart from that? Anywho...

Snape is guilty. Why? He has reasons for everything he's done. Good things, that is. Bad things, we don't know why sometimes. And does anyone know the effects of breaking the Unbreakable Vow thing? Or does it say in HBP?

[Erestor Arcamen]

Wolfshead, Snape was working undercover for Dumbledore and all and in explaining to bellatrix he was attempting to uphold his loyalty to the Dark Lord. He may not have known that quirrel and voldy were workin together, but even if he did, the Snape that Dumbledore knows and loves would have done all in his power to stop him, VOldy or no Voldy. He like I said was just proviin allegiance to voldy.

[Noldor_returned]

Yes, but if he was really good, he wouldn't have taken the Unbreakable Vow. He would have made some excuse not to have to take it.

[Erestor Arcamen]

Servants of the Dark Lord are expected to do anything and everything possible to make Him more powerful/dominant. If Snape found some lame excuse(or any excuse) to not take the vow, then his fellow death eaters wouldn't trust him and the entire plan would go down the drain anyways. By Snape taking that vow, he was proving his loyalty to the Dark Lord that he would do anything for him(of course we know he woudlnt because he was working for Dumbledore).

[Noldor_returned]

Yes, but we're assuming he isn't. The first time you read HBP, you assume he is working for Dumbledore supposedly, but is a double-crosser for Voldemort. I think, if he was really good, he has to do something special like help Harry destroy the Horcruxes. That would be good.
Now, as Dumbledore's dead, does that mean Voldemort is the most powerful wizard in the world?

[Erestor Arcamen]

we? whos the we thats assuming? because im not assuming that

[Noldor_returned]

The we would be those of us who agree on Snape being guilty.

[Wolfshead]

Now, as Dumbledore's dead, does that mean Voldemort is the most powerful wizard in the world?
I do believe it's Harry Potter ;)

[Erestor Arcamen]

Well I'm not part of that we oviously. Anyways yeah Harry is the most powerful wizard.

[Noldor_returned]

I doubt it. Harry isn't all that powerful (I think), it's just he's a quick thinker and has luck on his side. Hermione is more powerful than him, and obviously Voldemort would beat Hermione in a duel.

[Majimaune]

As NR said Harry just has luck so he isnt the most powerful wizard yet

[Erestor Arcamen]

Hermione isnt powerful, she just studies and knows her stuff, and Harry doesn't just have luck. It wasn't luck that he got through the Triwizard Tournament, he knew the charm to summon his broom and to stun stuff and all. He didnt need luck to stun all those guys in the Ministry of Magic in Book 5. Harry is real powerful, we just haven't seen his full pwer yet thats all.

[Majimaune]

You sure EA because everyone (or most) could do the summoning charm in Harrys year its nothing special

[Noldor_returned]

I suppose. After I posted, I even thought, Harry is powerful. I think though, Neville will be a major part of the last book, seeing as how he was almost the Chosen One. Malfoy too, will be important, and Snape will come out of hiding to do one final deed, whether evil or good.
Yes, I said it, he may do some good. But to prove his allegiance to Voldemort, he is guilty of murdering Dumbledore. Good for other things, but guilty.

[VioletFalcon129]

Harry the most powerful wizard in the world?

Harry? As in Harry Potter?

As in Rotter? As in Harry Pot-head?

as in scarhead? As in St potter friend of the mugggles?

As in POTTY?!?!

Surely not.

He will be.

Emphasis on the will.

But he sure ain't now. Noooooooooo.

He's a good wizard. A great one. A wonderful (if sappy) guy. A great person. A brave person. He loves, he gives, he's nearly selfness, and a selfsacrificing little sod. (er, is that swearing...?) But he ain't as powerful as Voldy. He doesn't have the experience. The knowledge. The practice. He could deffinately beat Tommy-poo with what he's got right now. But that don't make him a more powerful wizard. Maybe just a stronger person. If that makes sense. At any rate, Harry has love. Something old Moldybutt will never have.(don't look at me like that. it's from a cartoon with an episode that makes fun of HP. I said do not LOOK at me in that manner. okay, now i'm getting paranoid.)

Oh, now i've been reminded of the character of Voldy/tom...

go look in the HP society thread.

thank you

-Vi

ps: this wasn't even about snape... oh well, it was sort of relative. Kind of.