Final book? Death and Survivors...

[spirit]

Okay, this thread does not have far to go buy. It mainly requires opinions. No member bashing please! Thanks!

So, I want to know who you think will die? Mainly, the big depabe that's currently been "happenning" on the bus...
Voldermort and Harry? Who dies? Will Harry Survive?


And more importantly, it depends on whether Harry himself is a horcusx If he is, he surely will be dead. The term "Horcrux" is used to refer to any object in which a person has concealed a part of his or her soul. The object need not be inanimate; according to Dumbledore, a living creature can be used as a Horcrux, although it is risky to do so since the Horcrux in such a case is something that can move and think for itself, independently of the implanted fragment of soul.
So we know that it's possible to hurn a human onto a horcrux. No questions about that? But is Harry a horcrux?

If yes, why would Voldermort want to kill him when he was a baby. Surely that would bring damage to Voldermort himself (which Harry did, but due to other powers taking effect...)

And if not, will it be likely Harry will survive. So Dumbledore is gone, and Harry stands on his own. I admit Harry is powerful, but wise? That's debatable.

Also, the other two characters from the Goldern Trio. I do think they will survive, but I'm not so sure about Hagrid. I think (and desperately hope) Malfoy will survive.

You all?

[Maeglin]

I think Harry will die, along with Hagrid in an attempt to try to protect Harry. Ron and Hermione? That's up in the air, but if I had to pick just one to survive I'd say its more likely that Hermione will. Draco? It's highly possible that he will be dead by the start of book 7.

[Majimaune]

hey guys its a good vs evil book who wins.... good harrys going to live and voldemort die
by the wayi dont think harry is a horcrux because why would vol want to kill him then?

[Noldor_returned]

Good question...
I think that a robot will just appear for no reason and will stab Voldemort, Harry, Ron, Hermione and that annoying potions guy who eats and breathes.


No, really, I think that: Harry will die, and his death will cause Voldemort's death. Harry will be killed by Ginny, who breaks up with him and during this huge fight between the two accidentally kills him. So therefore, Harry is a Horcrux, and he destroys the other ones. Snape will die, Malfoy live, Ron die, Hermoine live, Hagrid die, and Bob live.

What? There's no-one called Bob? That sucks.

[spirit]

Harry will be killed by GinnyThey already broke up in the last book published...

[VioletFalcon129]

*Fairly genuine irkedness*

Didn't we already go over this in the All HP thread? EH?????

*peace and calm*

Okay:

THE POSSIBILIRY OF A PERSON BEING A HORCRUX!!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!:eek:

I bet you Snape is a Horcrux! (okay, maybe not...)

Hagrid die? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

For Harry: either he lives, and V. dies, or he dies and take V. with him.

Haven't you considered what I think is very possible for Draco: He will become good, and this shall be proven by his heroic death to help/save Harry and/or the good cause?

I dearly hope that Draco will live (for my own enjoyment, and for my sanity. My Draco obsessed friend will probably take her anger out on me if he dies.)
But that seems like a possibilty.

Ron and Hermione both must live. End of argument. I will personally murder Rowling if she kills off either one. (or either of the twins. or Ginny. or Bill.)

The hagrid dying in the attempt to sace is a good idea. (good as in possible. HAGRID MUST LIIIIIIIIVE!!!!!!!!!) I would be complete poo if Snape died.

Bellatrix will probably die. Either killed by Harry, or dieing for her Master.

Someone seems to think that REMUS is doomed, due to the fact that all the other (good) marauders were killed. I think that he MUST live, for the exact same reason. She has to keep ONE good one alive, for good balance. And because Remus is my buddy. *gets defensive of Remus*

How about Peter? Wormtail? He might die! He owes Harry his life. He might die in an attempt to save himself. Killed by VOldemort! (okay, high hopes).

Cho, Luna, Neville, and other cool but rather side character might die to accumulate a death toll! And then again, Rowling said that she would make some side characters become more prominent!

Aslo: there are so many Weasleys, it would be a miracle if they all survied. Percy looks pretty iffy to me. As do either one (but not both) of the twins. (HEAVEN AND ALL FORBID IT!!!) Or Charlie or something. (I DO NOT WANT ANY OF THE WEASLEYS TO DIE!!!!!! But it seems likely.)

And : think of all the really great characters that may not be important, but that you love very much. They may become important and/or die. Think of them and list them.

CHEW ON THAT FO A WHILE!!!

-Vi

[Erestor Arcamen]

i dont think Harry will die, but I do have to say, what about Wormtongue? could he be a horocrux? i mean look at him, he hid for what 14 years from Voldemort and all the other death eaters and finally comes back. Voldemort knows hes a coward and all, so why doesn't he just kill him? i mean Malfoy is more trusting than wormtongue, and even Snape is, wormtongue would easily betray anyone if it means he doesnt get killed or hurt or whatever.

[Noldor_returned]

I don't think Wormtongue is a Horcrux. I think Wormtongue will die to save Harry, and Harry will kill Voldemort somehow.

[ingolmo]

First time I've been to the HP subfora here, and its nice to take a break from LotR.

Anyway, getting to the point.

Deaths:

Harry- Doesn't matter how he does, but he has to. Because if he doesn't, we fans will keep begging Rowling for more HP books.

Voldemort - Cuz he's the bad guy.

Malfoy - That worthless piece of slime will be finished of by Voldemort, because he couldn't accomplish his task.

Neville - While fighting for the good guys.

Snape- Gut feeling

Lupin- Now, Lupin's a werewolf. Wormtail recieved a silver hand from Voldemort. Wormtail would be forced to kill his old friends by Voldemort, because that's how he likes it; betrayal and seperation and mistrust among friends. Silver is considered to be the metal that kills werewolves. two and two make four.

Survivors:

Ron
Hermione
Hagrid
and RAB

[Noldor_returned]

RAB? I thought he was dead already!

[Majimaune]

It doesnt say that he will be dead, it says that he will most likely be dead.

[Noldor_returned]

Good point. I will read the 6th book in a few weeks, just to refresh.

[spirit]

I though Voldermort had finished him off. [Once again, assuming R.A.B is Sirrius' brother.]

[Noldor_returned]

That's what I meant. Before, that is.

[ingolmo]

RAB was powerful enough to destroy one of the horcruxes, so he could, with a bit of luck and help, manage to stay alive with Voldemort trying to kill him too. And it seems correct in a story; that the warrior (and betrayer) fighting alone and supportless against the main villain stays alive at the end to tell the tale.

[Noldor_returned]

Harry would have been dead also, if Voldemort hadn't been controlled by revenge. In book 4, Voldemort tells the Death Eaters to leave Harry, as he has to kill him.

[VioletFalcon129]

Deaths:

Harry- Doesn't matter how he does, but he has to. Because if he doesn't, we fans will keep begging Rowling for more HP books.

Voldemort - Cuz he's the bad guy.

Malfoy - That worthless piece of slime will be finished of by Voldemort, because he couldn't accomplish his task.

Neville - While fighting for the good guys.

Snape- Gut feeling

Lupin- Now, Lupin's a werewolf. Wormtail recieved a silver hand from Voldemort. Wormtail would be forced to kill his old friends by Voldemort, because that's how he likes it; betrayal and seperation and mistrust among friends. Silver is considered to be the metal that kills werewolves. two and two make four.

Survivors:

Ron
Hermione
Hagrid
and RAB

SILENCE MORTAL YOU KNOW NOT OF WHICH YOU SPEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay. Calm. Deep breaths.

Dude. (or is it chick. oh well, dude applys to both.) That is NOT cool. That is BAD. Why would you kill off Potty-poo just so the fans don't get annoying? WE ALREADY ARE ANNOYING!!!!! (yeah, yeah, I know, speak for myself.)

What in thine right mind give thou the idea that thou canst take the name of the Draco in vain? THOU ART A FOOL!!! Now, personally, I don't think the brat is any great shakes, but he's cute. And he a good character. And he's been around for so long, he's a constant. And you do not want to see his fangirls at the mention of the possibility of his death. I mean, yeah, he could and mgiht die. But useless piece of slime? Honestly! And are you speaking form a Gryffindorian point of view or from the Dark Side? (Star Wars not intened.) He is useless in the mind of a Gryff, and no good to the evils. But he's NOT, I tell you! He gives Harry somone to bounce off. He keeps the story goind. (just look at all the books- he plays a key role in getting harry in to something. ) he's great for the story!

Neville- hope apon hope not, but possible. Not very. Put possible.

Snape- my gut say no, big man. (or would that be woman?...teenager...thingie....person...shaddup)

Remus- the hand peter's got is not real silver. i don't think. and even if it is it means nothing.

And do you realise you all have been talking about WormTOUNGE? It's WormTAILLLLLLL!!!!! Jease, guys, don't confuse LOTR with HP. THAT'S not cool. *shakes finger in mock reproach*

(no offense meant ingolmo. at least, not to your personal being... or something...)

-Vi

[Saucy]

Iam nearly certain Harry Potter wont die, if he does iam sure many people will be immensly traumatized.

I on the other had would not mind, as long as she brings good ol padfoot from the dead.

I belive the final battle will come down to Malofoy and Harry, Malofy will die in that.
:D

[Majimaune]

Iam nearly certain Harry Potter wont die, if he does iam sure many people will be immensly traumatized.
I on the other had would not mind, as long as she brings good ol padfoot from the dead.
I belive the final battle will come down to Malfoy and Harry, Malfoy will die in that.
The final battle will be between Vol and Harry not Malfoy. Malfoy's going to be dead going into the next book.

If Harry does die it will be to silence people from crying out for more books.

I can't think of any possible way Padfoot could come back to life unless theres a spell or potion (which I highly doubt) that we do not know about.

[Noldor_returned]

Padfoot won't be back. Dumbledore himself said no spell or potion can bring back the dead. Nearly Headless Nick also said Sirius had chosen to go on past the physical realm, and I think he would be happy to be with Lily and James. I think Harry and Voldemort will die, mostly because I want Harry to die, and Voldemort has to. Malfoy will be killed early on by Voldemort.

[spirit]

Iam nearly certain Harry Potter wont die, if he does iam sure many people will be immensly traumatized.

I on the other had would not mind, as long as she brings good ol padfoot from the dead.

I belive the final battle will come down to Malofoy and Harry, Malofy will die in that.
:D


Malfoy will not die! He can't die!! Nor will Snape!

All you need is a little bitta faith! Oh! Oh! Yeah!!

But if you want them to die, that a different matter.

And the Return of the Padfoot would be awesome!

:D

Here's an idea - she could have short tales about the Maradurs and so.... ::Sigh::

[Noldor_returned]

Just reading HBP again, and something got me wondering about 2 of the funniest characters. Fred and George Weasley-survivors for a few reasons:

The fans would kill her if they died
It would be one less place for Rowling to take humour from
They aren't a high enough prioritySo that's good. I don't think Snape will die, but McGonagall might. She was fairly close to Dumbledore, and might be one of the next on the hit list. Rufus Scrimgeour, that new Minister guy I think and hope will die. Then our dear friend Lupin will be killed by Wormtail, and Harry is witness, Wormtail is about to kill Harry but can't because Harry saved his life in Book 3. Harry will then make Wormtail help him destroy all the remaining Horcruxes, Wormtail will die and then the 4 best friends are reunited.

[Majimaune]

...die and then the 4 best friends are reunited.
I like it. that the 4 will be reunited

[Wolfshead]

Just reading HBP again, and something got me wondering about 2 of the funniest characters. Fred and George Weasley-survivors for a few reasons:

The fans would kill her if they died
It would be one less place for Rowling to take humour from
They aren't a high enough prioritySo that's good. I don't think Snape will die, but McGonagall might. She was fairly close to Dumbledore, and might be one of the next on the hit list. Rufus Scrimgeour, that new Minister guy I think and hope will die. Then our dear friend Lupin will be killed by Wormtail, and Harry is witness, Wormtail is about to kill Harry but can't because Harry saved his life in Book 3. Harry will then make Wormtail help him destroy all the remaining Horcruxes, Wormtail will die and then the 4 best friends are reunited.
Do you ever wonder if you spend too much time thinking about what'll happen next in HP? ;)

[Majimaune]

No I dont think he does think about it too much... He's a bit like me when he reads them he'll post.

[VioletFalcon129]

YOU ARE HOPELESS.

Sirius didn't REALLY die. It was a CURTAIIIINNNN.

and remus cannot die. reunited in death. PAHHHHH!!!! there must remain one on principle. and then paddy comes back. (and while I'm at it, i'll teach the Pittsburghers to hate the steelers [for those of you who don't know IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. and no i do not really want my people to hate the best team in the ... okay i'll stop] and fish to fly. and elephants to fly. and i want a pony. cause you guys will never belive me). Good points on F&G.

this is my final attempt. unless you REALLY get me.
you are all lost causes. or maybe it's just me who's lost...

-VI

(no capitol letters were harmed in the writing of this post.)

[Lorien]

1.Harry might die but Voldie's gonna go down we all know that.

2. Wormtail will die, Remus is probably gonna get 'im, revenge and all that. Remus won't die, especially after a pretty clear 'hope' for Remus in the last book in the form of Tonks.

3. Snape, if there isn't some shady underhanded reason Rowling has for making him AK Dumbledore then he's gonna get slaughtered by Harry or if he genuinely had good reasons for doing what he did he's gonna die fighting for redemption.

4. Some Weasley's are going to have to go...I don't know who but I sincerely hope it isnt the twins or Bill/Charlie. Anyone else is welcome to bite the bullet by me.

5. Assorted DE's (thats death eaters), Bella, Dolohov etc...

[Majimaune]

2. Wormtail will die, Remus is probably gonna get 'im, revenge and all that. Remus won't die, especially after a pretty clear 'hope' for Remus in the last book in the form of Tonks.

You've got to remember that Wormtail blew up half a street, so Remus might go with him. As well as Tonks.

4. Some Weasley's are going to have to go...I don't know who but I sincerely hope it isnt the twins or Bill/Charlie. Anyone else is welcome to bite the bullet by me.

I reckon Arthur might go. Not sure about Molly though. and Ginny can't go because of the last book. I Harry lives they'll hook up again.

[Lorien]

Oh, Remus is like a DADA expert and I always got the idea that Wormtail was a bit of a cowardly weakling. plus I kinda like Remmy-chan's character and Tonks' as well so I'm rooting for them to live.

Same reasons as above for not wanting Arthur to go, Molly I don't give a damn about. And although I don't care whether Ginny survives or not I sincerely hope she and Harry don't hook up again (I mean I thought it was like the worst pairing JKR could come up with....I have no clue, maybe I'm a nut, but I always got the vibe that Harry would gun for Hermione and I always thought that would work...Ginny/Harry seems wrong to me)

Originally Posted by Noldor_returned
...die and then the 4 best friends are reunited.

I mean thats not happening...Prongs/Padfoot/Moony would slaughter Wormtail ( and I don't think them being dead will stop them). Plus as it has been pointed in the book that everyone thinks Wormtail is an idiot (including Voldie) so I doubt Wormtail has too much information to bargain for his life if he does get caught by the good guys.

[Wolfshead]

I have no clue, maybe I'm a nut, but I always got the vibe that Harry would gun for Hermione and I always thought that would work...Ginny/Harry seems wrong to me)
It was always going to be Hermione and Ron. Infact, they hooked up didn't they? I've forgotten :eek: That'd been on the cards since at least GoF.

[Lorien]

They did and unfortunately in my opinion. The only 'thing' between Hermione and Ron was that they argued like crazy and like *once* during Yule Ball Ron saw Hermione dressed up and made like a fish. That in my opinion isn't enough to merit a relationship. I know everyone says opposites attract but they were simply too weird to have ever happened.

[VioletFalcon129]

Hm, Lorien, I don't like your oppinion on pairings, but I'll forgive you becaume you called Remus Remmy-chan. :D

The thing about Peter blowing up a street : I forgot about that! Fair point...

GinnyXHarry is something I had always had at the back of my mind, but the front of my mind said "Surely not". (The same thing happened about Sev. beccoming DADA teacher... which is another shoe entirely).

-Vi

PS: RonXHermione has been in the making since book one. I personally loath the HarryXHermione pairing. But, think what you like.

[Lorien]

Ack! I absolutely never had any idea that Ron/Hermione would ever work. And doesn't it seem that Ginny's 'thing' with Harry is more driven by his fame or whatever rather than 'true' love (if such a thing exists)...I've always personally believed in Harry/Hermione rather than the other. Maybe I read too much into things instead of taking face value...but Bleh! :eek: to the Ron/Hermione fans....

P.S.VioletFalcon129: Remmy-chan is kinda cool isn't it....:D

[Kristaline]

Somebody important has to die in the sacrifice of the Dark Lord's demise.

Somebody from the "Order of the Pheonix" will probably die. Maybe two or three minor characters that we have liked and gotten used to like Lupin or Tonks. Gotta give our heros a reason to panic.

I think Neville is going to "save the day" and be a hero in his own right. Think about his progress in the defence against the dark arts. He has been chosen for Griffindor, not Hufflepuff, afterall. So after all this growing up, he probably won't die.

Malfoy will probably not survive, even if he turns back to Harry's side. I don't see this happening. His hatred is too deep and I am not sure he is smart enough to ever see the wrong of his ways and repent by making a sacrifice. He just gets killed early to get him out of the way as Harry's lead nemisis (repeated conflict for a storyline keeps it going). So far he has served to keep give us something to actively hate and now since Voldemort is out in the open, Harry will be focused there.

IF we entertain the idea that Dumbledore is not dead, but it was a ruse to be able to work more behind the scenes, then we have to think that he won't be killed of after being "brought back to life". (This also makes Snape still on the "other" side of Voldemort--I have a hard time of thinking of him really being on anyone's side but his own).

Can't see Snape getting killed off. The world needs someone to stir up trouble.

I think Ron will find the fame that alludes him in death. It will be the one thing that none of the others have done (putting down a Dark Lord) before him. So here is my sacrificial pawn.

Hermonie survives as a friend to Harry and mourns Ron but is able to put her own life back together.

Ginny and Harry remember Ron together. He isn't going to get rid of her as easily as breaking up with her because of the "danger". She will probably be in our main group of heroes, too.

I am hoping Percy gets killed in a un-heroic way that everybody covers up so that Mr. and Mrs. Weasley don't have to face the fact that he wasn't really "a very good boy".

[Sangahyando]

If Ms. Rowling kills dear Bella off, I won't be happy. Although, I think Malfoy will go for not killing Albus himself and hopefully Sevvie won't go either. I bet Harry is a horcrux after the strange Priori Incatatem and once he destroys Voldie he'll go too. But we mustn't forget that probably none of the good guys will die during the first five chapters because of the build up to Bill and Mademoiselle Delacour's wedding.

[Noldor_returned]

I bet Harry is a horcrux after the strange Priori Incatatem and once he destroys Voldie he'll go too.

Umm...how does that work? Voldie can only be killed once all the horcruxes are destroyed. So Harry would have to somehow destroy the Horcrux inside him, then survive to finish Voldemort off. Somehow, I think that would be too magical.

[Sangahyando]

Maybe, maybe...

Sangahyando, great-grandson of Castamir the Usurper

[Narya]

My theories as to who will die?

THOSE WHO WILL NEVER SEE ANOTHER BOOK SERIES AGAIN:

Harry for sure
Voldemort for sure
Ron
One of the Twins
HagridI also suspect that the student JK hinted would end up being a teacher at Hogwarts is Neville and he'll teach Herbology. Hermione will be the next McGonagall -- spinster -- and Ginny will eventually marry Neville.

[Arvedui]

I think that the following people will die:
* Harry - as with Frodo, we will see another hero who won't live to enjoy the fruits of his labor, which is killing Tom Riddle
* Voldemort - however, Harry will need help from Wormtail to accomplish this.
* Snape - will probably also be killed by Harry
* Malfoy - yes, I believe that Voldemort will get rid of him.

Possibly killed:
* Hagrid - when trying to defend Harry against Snape
* Ginny - I don't know why, just a gut-feeling as Snape will definately have told Voldemort about her relationship with Harry

And I seriously hope that I am wrong on all except from three of them.:(

[Noldor_returned]

I think Voldemort will kidnap Ginny and use her as bait. But I always thought she would make a good first female Minister for Magic. However, I wouldn't say she will die.

[Narya]

I think that the following people will die:
* Harry - as with Frodo, we will see another hero who won't live to enjoy the fruits of his labor, which is killing Tom Riddle


Correct! It is a tried and tested formula in fantasy stories so why go against the tide, right? Plus, JK also said in her latest interview regarding the last installment of the Harry Potter series that she doesn't want anyone writing a spinoff of her books (and making a fortune from it :rolleyes: ) so she's really killing Harry in book 7.


* Voldemort - however, Harry will need help from Wormtail to accomplish this.


Nice theory! I also suspect some kind of redemption from Peter.


* Snape - will probably also be killed by Harry


I also hope it will be revealed in Book 7 that Severus actually fell in love with Lily.:rolleyes:


* Malfoy - yes, I believe that Voldemort will get rid of him.


the father or the son?


Possibly killed:
* Hagrid - when trying to defend Harry against Snape
* Ginny - I don't know why, just a gut-feeling as Snape will definately have told Voldemort about her relationship with Harry

And I seriously hope that I am wrong on all except from three of them.:(

I hope Ginny dies. She was being such a Mary-Sue in HBP I gag everytime she was mentioned! Honestly, of all the characters Rowling created, Ginny is the worse.

[Ermundo]

Remember people, don't let personal opinions interfere with the facts when debating the outcome of what is yet to be. In this case, those who die and survive the 7th book. And as for who I pick who'll never see the light of day
again.


Voldemort: If he doesn't go, I'll eat my socks.
Harry: He's GONNA die, I think. I believe J.K Rowling confirmed so.
Weasly's: One of them's got to go with the duo.
Death Eaters: If Voldie dies, than problably most if not all the Death Eaters
shall go.

[Narya]

Remember people, don't let personal opinions interfere with the facts when debating the outcome of what is yet to be.


But asking the outcome of what is yet to be is, in fact, a personal opinion, is it not?



In this case, those who die and survive the 7th book. And as for who I pick who'll never see the light of day again.

Voldemort: If he doesn't go, I'll eat my socks.
Harry: He's GONNA die, I think. I believe J.K Rowling confirmed so.
Weasly's: One of them's got to go with the duo.
Death Eaters: If Voldie dies, than problably most if not all the Death Eaters
shall go.

I agree. Especially with the Weasleys. I believe Ron will die (foreshadowed by the Chess Game in PS/SS), and Ginny (foreshadowed by her possession and near-death in COS -- also I hope she goes), and probably ONE of the twins.

[Arvedui]

Correct! It is a tried and tested formula in fantasy stories so why go against the tide, right? Plus, JK also said in her latest interview regarding the last installment of the Harry Potter series that she doesn't want anyone writing a spinoff of her books (and making a fortune from it :rolleyes: ) so she's really killing Harry in book 7.
The only way to be sure that there won't be any spin-off is to kill everyone. There is nothing stopping anyone writing abook about Neville's career as Minister of Magic, or any other topic, as long as some characters survive.

Nice theory! I also suspect some kind of redemption from Peter. And Dumbledore gave some rather strong hints to that effect towards the end of the POA.

the father or the son? I was actually thinking about jr., but now that you mentioned it, I think that there is a possibility that both will go down.

[Narya]

The only way to be sure that there won't be any spin-off is to kill everyone. There is nothing stopping anyone writing abook about Neville's career as Minister of Magic, or any other topic, as long as some characters survive.


Oh thank gawd! Someone who understands!!!

I was actually thinking about jr., but now that you mentioned it, I think that there is a possibility that both will go down.

Me too. I think the house of Malfoy will fall, fall and crumble, crumble.

[Maeglin]

Actually there is plenty stopping someone writing a spinoff about Neville or any other character for that matter, as the whole series is copyrighted. :rolleyes:

[Narya]

I think the copyright laws have provisions for such things; like maybe a mention of the character or even event would not actually be against copyright law.

Dan Brown won his case against Baigent and co. even though he used many things from their book Holy Blood, Holy Grail in writing the Da Vinci Code and even mentioned it. There are also other books that make use of characters that are from another book series and they get away with it.

[Majimaune]

Me too. I think the house of Malfoy will fall, fall and crumble, crumble.Do you mean by that: the family of Malfoy will fall, fall and crumble, crumble. Or Slytherin will fall, fall and crumble, crumble. I'm just not too clear on what you mean.

[Maeglin]

Do you mean by that: the family of Malfoy will fall, fall and crumble, crumble. Or Slytherin will fall, fall and crumble, crumble. I'm just not too clear on what you mean.

I think she means the Malfoy family.

[Narya]

Do you mean by that: the family of Malfoy will fall, fall and crumble, crumble. Or Slytherin will fall, fall and crumble, crumble. I'm just not too clear on what you mean.

Have you seen Hudson Hawk? That was a line in that film done by Minerva Mayflower (played by andra Bernhard). I just thought it would be a nice joke.

And yes, I meant the Malfoy Family.