Horcruxes -- Warning --- LOTSA SPOILERS!

[Narya]

My theories on the location of the remaining Horcruxes:


Hufflepuff's Cup
Ravenclaw item (might be with Luna Lovegood)
Slytherin's Locket (which is according to OotP, with one of the Weasley's)
Gryffindor item which I suspect is Harry's scar.
The Ring (which Dumbledore destroyed)
The Diary (which Harry destroyed)
and of course Voldemort himselfWhat are yours?

[Maeglin]

I agree with all of those, though I'm not sure why you think the Ravenclaw item might be with Luna? :confused:

[Arvedui]

I think that the gryffindor item cannot be Harry's scar. I mean, why would Voldemort want to kill Harry if he would have to kill one of his horcruxes at the same time?????
And when should he have had the opportunity to make it an Horcrux?

[Narya]

I think that the gryffindor item cannot be Harry's scar. I mean, why would Voldemort want to kill Harry if he would have to kill one of his horcruxes at the same time?????
And when should he have had the opportunity to make it an Horcrux?
answering thisw would be a long tale...but I'll tell it anyway :D

Many people have speculated that Harry is a Horcrux, while many rejected the idea saying simply that it is irrational for him to be a Horcrux because Voldemort has been adamant to end his life. Well here's a few theories I'd like to share to everyone...

Dumbledore said that Voldemort was short of 1 when he went in search of the Potters intending to use Harry's death for the spell necessary to create a Horcrux.

Although HBP made it appear that Dumbledore had so many question marks, I think his take on the Horcruxes are more or less accurate because he had been sitting on this issue since Voldemort disappeared. So considering there really are 7 Horcruxes, how do we justify Harry being one?

first, let's try to analyze what really happened in Godric's Hollow that fateful night.

Voldemort found the Potters at home. He killed James. He then tried to kill Harry, but Lily tricked him into a magical bargain: "My life for harry's!" He agreed. He killed her. Then, thinking he didn't have to honor his contract (or not realizing he had made one), he tried to kill Harry - Now it gets complicated. Voldemort might have already conjured the spell necessary to create a Horcrux intending Harry's death to seal or complete the spell, then something happens and the whole thing got sideswiped BUT the spell to encase a part of soul went through because, technically, the Killing Curse was able to kill someone --- Voldemort's own body!

His body dies, his soul splits in half, one encased in Harry's scar (proof that this is possible would be Quirrell, or Quirrellmort), another, the last division wanders off.

That completes Voldemort's 7 Horcruxes and would even complete his collection from the four founders - Harry might be Godric Gryffindor's heir.

So why is he still trying to do Harry in? Shouldn't Voldemort be taking care of Harry rather than trying to kill him?

The answer to this is very simple - BACK UP! Voldemort has how many Horcruxes? 7, well technically 6 because He is the 7th Horcrux.

Since only two of the 7 have been destroyed, Voldemort can go after Harry without fear because even if Harry dies, he'll still have 3 Horcruxes left. However, if Harry continues to live, the Prophecy which is Voldemort's undoing hangs in the balance, and no Horcrux will save him from that.

He has no choice, it's either one part of his shattered soul or total death. If you were Voldemort, what would you chose?

So must Harry die to get rid of Voldemort? Not necessarily. There is another way to rid Harry's body of Voldemort soul without him dying in the process - THE DEMENTOR'S KISS. Harry needs to be kissed by a Dementor to suck out Voldemort's soul.

Anyway, it's a theory...

[Majimaune]

Mine would be:

Slytherins Locket (destroyed by R.A.B.).
Hufflepuffs Cup.
Slytherins Ring (destroyed by Dumbledore).
Something of Ravenclaws.
The Diary (Destroyed by Harry).
The Snake of Voldemort.
Voldemort himself It says in the Half-blood Prince that the only known suviving thing of Griffindor's is the sword in Dumblebore's office. And another reason to why there would be no thing of Griffindor's is cause Slytherin and Griffindor are enemies and Voldie being a decendent of S. wouldnt want a thing of G's.

[Noldor_returned]

Well I'm pretty sure Harry isn't Griffindor's heir. Surely we would have found out by now.

My seven:

Hufflepuff's Cup
Voldemort
The ring (destroyed)
The locket (please explain why this is with one of the Weasleys)
The diary (destroyed)
Ravenclaw's something (my guess is it's a book/artifact of some sort)
Griffindor's something (the sword? His grave?)Well Voldy will be the last to go, and I think Harry will eliminate the cup fairly early on.

[Durin's Bane]

So we have Voldemort, The Ring, The Locket, The Snake and The Diary that are Horcruxes for sure. Only two remaining... And personaly I think that there is nothing Griffindor's transformed into a Horcrux.

Ok, what if Voldemort had realized he had to honour the contract and instead of killing Harry He used Lily's death to seal the spell and thus making him the last horcrux? And Harry being one of Voldemort's Horcruxes would explain why ha has part of Voldemort's powers.

[Narya]

It says in the Half-blood Prince that the only known suviving thing of Griffindor's is the sword in Dumblebore's office. And another reason to why there would be no thing of Griffindor's is cause Slytherin and Griffindor are enemies and Voldie being a decendent of S. wouldnt want a thing of G's.

Not true. There is also the sorting hat, which by the way, Voldie wanted to get, as you remember when he tried to get a job as DADA in Hogwarts and Dumbledore would not accept his application.

I thought about Nagini too, and even Dumbledore suspects Nagini to be a horcrux. But it wouldn't be as dramatic (nor as twisted) as when Harry is the last Horcrux.

But those are good guesses. :)

[Narya]

Well I'm pretty sure Harry isn't Griffindor's heir. Surely we would have found out by now.

There are clues that he is. In COS, Dumbledore told him that only a TRUE Gryffindor would have pulled the Sword from the Sorting hat. He may be just saying that he really belongs in the Gryffindor house, or maybe he's giving Harry (and us as well) a hint that Harry's lineage is more than what he (and we) think. Because, why else would the Potters live in Godric's Hollow? Also, I believe that Voldemort knows this too, another reason why he sought Harry, and not Neville, out in the first place.



My seven:
Hufflepuff's Cup
Voldemort
The ring (destroyed)
The locket (please explain why this is with one of the Weasleys)
The diary (destroyed)
Ravenclaw's something (my guess is it's a book/artifact of some sort)
Griffindor's something (the sword? His grave?)

Good guess. As far as the locket is concerned, remember when they were cleaning Grimauld Place in OotP? They found a locket. I can't remember who took it but that person is a Weasley. I also think that this would be the reason why the Weasleys would die one by one. Remember Molly's visions when she tried to conjure the ridikulus spell on the bogart? She saw her children and her husband dead! Maybe the two that JK killed off that she didn't plan to, are the twins.

Well Voldy will be the last to go, and I think Harry will eliminate the cup fairly early on.

I agree.

Good guesses though.

[Narya]

So we have Voldemort, The Ring, The Locket, The Snake and The Diary that are Horcruxes for sure.
Not for sure. Nagini has not been established as a Horcrux yet. ;)

Only two remaining... And personaly I think that there is nothing Griffindor's transformed into a Horcrux.
Again, this is all guess work. Dumbledore suggested that it may be 1 thing from all four houses of Hogwarts.

Ok, what if Voldemort had realized he had to honour the contract and instead of killing Harry He used Lily's death to seal the spell and thus making him the last horcrux? And Harry being one of Voldemort's Horcruxes would explain why ha has part of Voldemort's powers.
That is possible. Then again, Dumbledore said in HBP that Voldemort planned to use Harry's death in creating the last Horcrux. To use the boy's death, the one chosen to bring his demise, to seal his immortality, is more dramatic than using a mudblood.

[Durin's Bane]

Either way he had the item in himself that was to be the last Horcrux... so what is it? His wand? In a strange way that would actually make some scence since it has a phoenix feather in it and making it a Horcrux he may tie his last piece of soul to the never-ending resurrection cycle of the phoenixes... But that's all mere speculation...
And when he went to the Potters he had only one Horcrux left to create... So which is the other (supposedly Nagini is)?

[Narya]

Either way he had the item in himself that was to be the last Horcrux... so what is it? His wand? In a strange way that would actually make some scence since it has a phoenix feather in it and making it a Horcrux he may tie his last piece of soul to the never-ending resurrection cycle of the phoenixes... But that's all mere speculation...
And when he went to the Potters he had only one Horcrux left to create... So which is the other (supposedly Nagini is)?

That is also a good guess.

Yes, according to Dumbledore he already made five before he went in search of Harry. Dumbledore also guessed Nagini could be a Horcrux. She could be.

[Majimaune]

I never thought of the hat. And I never thought of Godric's Hollow either, seeing as Gryffindor's first name was Godric.

There are two characters to be killed off in the last book. Harry and Voldie.
If Harry is really a horcrux (which I think is impossible) then he will kill Voldie and then realise that he's not dead and then discover that he is the last horcrux and kill himself. NOT HAPPENING.

If a horcrux is in his wand then Harry has to first kill Voldie then destroy the Phoenix feather. Again NOT HAPPENING.

Ah with the thing with the locket being with one of the Weasley's. It was Molly and she through it into a bag of rubbish. Kreatcher might have it for all we know because he could have come in and taken the locket from the bag for "safe keeping".

[Firawyn]

Could one not speculate that a holocrux would be in the Pheonix itself? His life never ends so it was sure to live on, Voldy would have known that Dumbledore would have never kill that stupid bird...

Another one I've thought of is that mirror of Dumbledores (I can't remember what it's called at the moment). I really think that Voldy, being the spiteful idiot he is, would have planted one right under Dumbledore's nose.

When Voldy realized that Dumbledore was searching for the holocruxes, it would make sence that that would be the time frame he would begin to plan his headmaster's death. If Voldy knew Dumbledore was looking for them, it is kinda obvious that he'd want to kill him, esp if there was one (or more) right under his nose...that also does not rule out the sword of Gryffindor, another prime object under his nose.

[Durin's Bane]

Erm... if a person is a Horcrux then trough the part of the soul he would have a connection to the one that made him such... or atleast I am seing things that way. And Harry does have the connection with Voldemort. So that's why I think Harry is the last one.
About that mirror thing. If you are talking about the mirror that shows your desires I think it wasn't at Hogwarts at that time (Dumbledore brought it to hide the stone). And the Phoenix it self? I don't think he could have done it.
And about the locket... it actually couldn't still be a Horcrux if R.A.B truly destryed it as such.

[Narya]

There are two characters to be killed off in the last book. Harry and Voldie.


No, that is already a given that Voldemort "should" die in the end, and JK already hinted that she was going to kill off Harry in the last book because she didn't want anyone to revive his character after the 7th book of Harry Potter (you can't make another Harry Potter book without Harry), so the two new deaths that she did not anticipate she'd do are not Harry and Voldemort. It's someone else. And many suspect it's one of the main characters -- "...we're talking about pure evil here..." she was quoted saying.

So I think it could be one of the trio -- Possibly, Ron Weasley -- Hagrid is another possibility, or one of the Weasleys.


If Harry is really a horcrux (which I think is impossible)


well, I never said Harry is a horcrux, now did I? I said his scar is a horcrux, and yes it is possible. Because two souls can occupy one body without actual possession in the Potter universe. Remember professor Quirrell? So it is a POSSIBILITY.


...then he will kill Voldie and then realise that he's not dead and then discover that he is the last horcrux and kill himself. NOT HAPPENING.



Why not? Self-sacrifice has always been a heroic trait and one that Harry is very well-known for. He would gladly sacrifice his life in exchange for those he loves. So IT MIGHT BE HAPPENING.


Ah with the thing with the locket being with one of the Weasley's. It was Molly and she through it into a bag of rubbish. Kreatcher might have it for all we know because he could have come in and taken the locket from the bag for "safe keeping".


Now, this is POSSIBLE. I think Kreacher may have the Locket they seek. Good guess! :)

[Narya]

Could one not speculate that a holocrux would be in the Pheonix itself? His life never ends so it was sure to live on, Voldy would have known that Dumbledore would have never kill that stupid bird...


Nope. Fawkes could never BE a Horcrux because that Phoenix is Dumbledore's pet -- Fawkes will only respond to Dumbledore, and to those LOYAL to him -- no one else can control that bird. So, Fawkes is NOT a possibility.


Another one I've thought of is that mirror of Dumbledores (I can't remember what it's called at the moment). I really think that Voldy, being the spiteful idiot he is, would have planted one right under Dumbledore's nose.


The Mirror of Erised is it's name. And many speculated that Voldemort might have turned it into a Horcrux right after he made the Diary. However, I disagree, because in the Sorcerer's Stone, it was used to protect the stone, if it was a Horcrux, the soul that was inside it would know what Dumbledore did and what the other soul outside needed to do to obtain it. But Voldemort (and Quirrell, as well as Harry himself) were all clueless. So, nope, there's no possibility.


When Voldy realized that Dumbledore was searching for the holocruxes, it would make sence that that would be the time frame he would begin to plan his headmaster's death. If Voldy knew Dumbledore was looking for them, it is kinda obvious that he'd want to kill him, esp if there was one (or more) right under his nose...that also does not rule out the sword of Gryffindor, another prime object under his nose.

The Sword is already out of the possible Horcruxes because Voldemort never had the chance to even take hold of it. Like the sorting hat, it is always under the protective watch of Dumbledore's office -- a place he was only to visit once, after he left school.

Voldemort wants to Kill Dumbledore not because Albus was looking for the Horcruxes. He wanted to kill Dumbledore because he was the only one he thought was powerful enough to destroy him. In OotP, it was evident, THE ONLY ONE HE FEARED, the title said. Besides, according to HBP, Dumbledore only suspected Voldemort making Horcruxes after he learned of the Diary in COS. And Voldemort had been adamant to kill Dumbledore long before that time.

[Narya]

Erm... if a person is a Horcrux then trough the part of the soul he would have a connection to the one that made him such... or atleast I am seing things that way. And Harry does have the connection with Voldemort. So that's why I think Harry is the last one.



Correct! Although, we could be wrong. But isn't it quite logical?


About that mirror thing. If you are talking about the mirror that shows your desires I think it wasn't at Hogwarts at that time (Dumbledore brought it to hide the stone). And the Phoenix it self? I don't think he could have done it.
And about the locket... it actually couldn't still be a Horcrux if R.A.B truly destryed it as such.

Now, there's another question. Did RAB really destroy it? Maybe it's a bluff.

[Maeglin]

concerning the locket....has it occurred to anyone else that it may be with whatshisface (I'm drawing a complete blank here for some reason).....the guy in the Order that had stolen a bunch of stuff from the Black house and ran into Harry in book 6, only to later be sent to Azkaban? Just a thought....

[Noldor_returned]

Well, I have a bit to correct people on, and a few guesses. First of all, Voldemort can't turn Harry's scar into a Horcrux, seeing as it is Harry. Unless of course he somehow made a scar not on anyone, turned that into a Horcrux and stuck it on Harry. Which, isn't happening because Dumbly-dor himself said it was a curse scar, and that would be too complicated to include into the final book.

Well Voldemort may have since made another Horcrux, which is unlikely but possible. Remember Frank whatsisface in Goblet of Fire? Well, he might have returned to Godric's Hollow and made that a Horcrux. Or, if what Narya suggested and it is Griffindor's, then he may have done that anyway.

One other thing Rowling won't do: go back on what Dumbledore said. She wanted him to appear all powerful and wise, so why would she disprove his logic. This would make it almost definite that two of the remaining Horcruxes are Hufflepuff's and Griffindor's.

With the sword, Dumbledore never had possession of it really. What's the likelihood that Tom Riddle managed to steal it and switch it with another one, and when he came in for the interview replace it? That would make him a young killer, but it's not beyond the realms of possiblity.

[Narya]

concerning the locket....has it occurred to anyone else that it may be with whatshisface (I'm drawing a complete blank here for some reason).....the guy in the Order that had stolen a bunch of stuff from the Black house and ran into Harry in book 6, only to later be sent to Azkaban? Just a thought....


WOW! I haven't really thought of that. But he is a suspect! :eek: His name is Mundungus Fletcher and he is not an original member of the Order of the Phoenix. He's a crook by nature --- and yeah, he has been stealing from Grimauld Place!

Hmmmmm.....

[Narya]

Well, I have a bit to correct people on, and a few guesses. First of all, Voldemort can't turn Harry's scar into a Horcrux, seeing as it is Harry. Unless of course he somehow made a scar not on anyone, turned that into a Horcrux and stuck it on Harry. Which, isn't happening because Dumbly-dor himself said it was a curse scar, and that would be too complicated to include into the final book.

Voldemort never intended to give Harry a scar. His intention that night was to kill him. The scar was the effect of the bent Avada Kedavra curse which by the way he intended to use to make his final Horcrux --- which is also an UNKNOWN object. So as for your correction I'm afraid it, too, is incorrect. :)

Plus Rowling was able to explain the Horcrux thing which in my opinion was also complicated. Before that time, no one knew why the Avada Kedavra curse didn't kill Voldemort entirely.


Well Voldemort may have since made another Horcrux, which is unlikely but possible. Remember Frank whatsisface in Goblet of Fire? Well, he might have returned to Godric's Hollow and made that a Horcrux.

Incorrect. Dumbledore said in HBP that Voldemort was short of one Horcrux when he went to Godric's hollow. That is a fact. Which means he has not made his Horcrux yet.

Frank cannot be turned into a Horcrux, because he does not live in Godric's hollow, he was the keeper of the Riddle house -- far away from Godric's Hollow, also he killed him in GOF. It would be irrational for Voldemort to kill a rather irrelevant muggle who he has turned into a Horcrux (a vessel for a piece of his soul). He should have preserved Frank, seeing as he is no immediate threat and went on with his plans. The fact that he killed him without thinking twice means, he does not have anything important for Voldemort to keep him alive. I'm sorry, but Frank is also out of the list of possibilities.


One other thing Rowling won't do: go back on what Dumbledore said. She wanted him to appear all powerful and wise, so why would she disprove his logic.

In OotP, Rowling wrote that Dumbledore admitted making many mistakes along the way. In HBP, he again appears to have made many mistakes --- he was beginning to be careless. No, Rowling did not create an infallable character in Dumbledore.


This would make it almost definite that two of the remaining Horcruxes are Hufflepuff's and Griffindor's.

There are actually four remaining Horcruxes left to find, and Dumbledore himself suspected Voldemort made these four from four items that are related or directly connected with the four founders of Hogwarts.


With the sword, Dumbledore never had possession of it really.


Ahhh...yes, he did.


What's the likelihood that Tom Riddle managed to steal it and switch it with another one, and when he came in for the interview replace it? That would make him a young killer, but it's not beyond the realms of possiblity.

Not possible, as Dumbledore pointed out in HBP.

[Majimaune]

With the sword... Dumbledore never had it until COS and tha was like 30 years after Voldie had been to Hogwarts for the last time to reapply for the DADA job.

In my opion there is nothing of Griffindors as a horcrux but of RAVENCLAWS whom all of you seem to be forgeting.

As you said Narya, Voldemort didnt intend of giving Harry the scar so how could he have made it a horcrux at the same time as he "dies"?

[Narya]

As you said Narya, Voldemort didnt intend of giving Harry the scar so how could he have made it a horcrux at the same time as he "dies"?

He didn't. Just like he did not intend to die that night. The Killing Spell and the Horcrux were both "bent" that night. So, technically, he did not make the scar into a Horcrux but it became one just the same.

Well, that's my theory. :)

[Sangahyando]

You know the bottle at Grimmauld Place with the opal stopper? Maybe it has Voldie's blood inside, thus a Horcrux. Only specualtion though...

Sangahyando, great-grandson of Castamir the Usurper

[Narya]

You know the bottle at Grimmauld Place with the opal stopper? Maybe it has Voldie's blood inside, thus a Horcrux. Only specualtion though...

Sangahyando, great-grandson of Castamir the Usurper

Well, that bottle might be a possible Horcrux. But you don't need to put blood in an object to do that.

Nice guess though. :)

[Durin's Bane]

Technicaly Voldemort might just be one Horcrux short. Harry's death was intended to be the binder of the spell, only that he didn't die... so he might have not made the last Horcrux concidering the fact that he was as close to powerless as one could be. But if the spell is already running that would explain why Voldie is so intent on killing Harry.
And I've just got hte idea that he might be one Horcrux short in another way. If Harry is a Horcrux than what happened when Voldie used his blood to resurrect himself? I mean he might have gotten that piece of soul back...
But then again that gives me another idea. Voldie died when trying to kill Harry, or atleast his body died, meaningly a Horcrux was destroyed...

[Arvedui]

I just got this inspired thought: I'll wait until next year and read the book!
With all the speculations here, you've lost me!;)

Narya, you are one of the most stubborn debators I ever saw. But you do have some thought-provocing arguments.:)

[Maeglin]

next year is too far away though, and we need something to fill our time until the release of book 7. Now, we could go and read other books, but thats a just plain silly thought....so we'll debate for the next year or so. Today is (well its 12:03 am right now, maybe when I started typing this it was still yesterday so the post won't show up as today) exactly one year since the release of HBP, exactly one year ago today I was at Borders standing in line for my book, and now I think I'll go start reading it again until I fall asleep, but if I come up with any big ideas whilst I read tonight, I'll be sure to post them. :D

[Arvedui]

I know how you feel: I just read all the books during the first week of the summer-holiday.
I wish that mrs. Rowling could hurry up a bit, but I guess it is all a part of the marketing-plot.

[Narya]

I just got this inspired thought: I'll wait until next year and read the book!
With all the speculations here, you've lost me!;)

Narya, you are one of the most stubborn debators I ever saw. But you do have some thought-provocing arguments.:)


Oh I know! :p

Well, what's the point of posting a thread like this if you're just gonna sit in a corner and watch? Right?

Anyhoo...on with the discussion.

[Arvedui]

OK!
You still haven't convinced me on how it would be possible for Voldemort to make Harry's scar a horcrux. I think that your explanations are a bit too far-fetched.
And if Loony possesses one of the horcruxed objects, it can't have been at Hogwarts. In that case, Dumbledore would have recognized it pretty quick. But she can of course have such an object at home.

[Narya]

OK!
You still haven't convinced me on how it would be possible for Voldemort to make Harry's scar a horcrux. I think that your explanations are a bit too far-fetched.



And you (as well as everyone who don't agree with moi ) haven't convinced me either that my theories are wrong ;) so I guess, we're even.


And if Loony possesses one of the horcruxed objects, it can't have been at Hogwarts. In that case, Dumbledore would have recognized it pretty quick. But she can of course have such an object at home.

The rationale for that is she is the only non-gryffindor student who's been with the main heroes through the toughest times. And Dumbledore does not know everything; he's no even sure if Nagini is a Horcrux or not. And Yes, Luna may have the said item at home, or within her family.

[Arvedui]

Ok, the reason I believe that your theory on Harry's scar is wrong, is that Voldemort hadn't killed Harry at the moment he threw the killing curse. IMO, the killing of harry's parents was not important enough for Voldemort to split his soul once more over it. He had most likely planned to do so after the successful killing of Harry, which didn't happen.
This is of course based on the fact that I don't know anything about a horcrux is made. It may be that he was mentally preparred to make one when he uttered the Avada Kedavra, and that it happen because of that, but I find that rather unlikely.
The only hint that you may have a point, is the repeated statements that Harry's scar is not just any scar. But don't you think that the existance of an horcrux inside Harry's scar would have been bound to be discovered by someone?

[Noldor_returned]

As Durins Bane said, Voldemort may not have made the seventh Horcrux yet. If he wanted Harry as a victim, then maybe he's waiting to kill Harry and after that he'll make it just so he finishes his set. I know that Rowling probably won't make Voldemort win, but maybe that's what the plan is.

[Narya]

Ok, the reason I believe that your theory on Harry's scar is wrong, is that Voldemort hadn't killed Harry at the moment he threw the killing curse. IMO, the killing of harry's parents was not important enough for Voldemort to split his soul once more over it. He had most likely planned to do so after the successful killing of Harry, which didn't happen.


I think I've answered this already. Please check previous posts.
Just a review, I never said that Voldemort used the death of either of Harry's parents to make his final Horcrux.


This is of course based on the fact that I don't know anything about a horcrux is made. It may be that he was mentally preparred to make one when he uttered the Avada Kedavra, and that it happen because of that, but I find that rather unlikely.


Ahhh, well then that's where the problem is...you see it is clear in HBP how a horcrux is made; There is a spell and to seal the spell the conjurer has to kill someone using the Avada Kedavra curse. It is not a "mental" thing. Again, check my previous posts to see my lengthy explanation for this.


The only hint that you may have a point, is the repeated statements that Harry's scar is not just any scar. But don't you think that the existance of an Horcrux inside Harry's scar would have been bound to be discovered by someone?

The fact that nobody knows why he has the scar and why it won't heal is already a clue that it could be. Also, in OotP the possession of Harry and in COS the ability to use parseltongue...Dead giveaways.

[Arvedui]

I've read your previous posts. My reply is based on the fact that you haven't convinced me yet.
And I don't agree with you on the issue of making horcruxes. In your point of view, the spell is made first, then the killing. That is not how I read it. What Slughorn said was this:
'By an act of evil - the supreme act of evil. By committing murder. Killing rips the soul apart. The wizard intent upon creating a Horcrux would use the damage to his advantage: he would encase the torn portion -'
'Encase? But how-?'
There is a spell, do not ask me, I don't know!' said Slughor,....
I understand this to be read that you have to split your soul first, then throw the spell. And even if Voldemort used the Killing Curse, it didn't cause his soul to split, as it didn't kill Harry, but backfired and killed Voldemort himself instead.
The only remaining option is that Voldemort created a Horcrux because his soul split when he killed himself! But then things would have had to happen in unprecedented quick succession to accomplish a Horcrux, wouldn't it?

Your points on Harry's scar are strong hints, yes. But I wouldn't go as far as to call them dead giveaways.;)

[Narya]

I've read your previous posts. My reply is based on the fact that you haven't convinced me yet.

And I don't agree with you on the issue of making horcruxes. In your point of view, the spell is made first, then the killing. That is not how I read it.

I understand this to be read that you have to split your soul first, then throw the spell. And even if Voldemort used the Killing Curse, it didn't cause his soul to split, as it didn't kill Harry, but backfired and killed Voldemort himself instead.

The only remaining option is that Voldemort created a Horcrux because his soul split when he killed himself! But then things would have had to happen in unprecedented quick succession to accomplish a Horcrux, wouldn't it?

Your points on Harry's scar are strong hints, yes. But I wouldn't go as far as to call them dead giveaways.;)


It should have occured to you that Slughorn may have gotten it wrong, (He couldn't even remember Ron's name properly), because Voldemort was still able to make a 6th horcrux and no he did not use any one else's death except Harry's. Why? Because that was what he set out to do, and no one and nothing was going to convince him to do otherwise, he is Lord Voldemort. He set out to use Harry's death to seal the Horcrux spell and that was exactly what was going to happen.

Of course he did not expect the spell to backfire, right? So he sealed the spell with someone's death and the bent spell placed the 6th portion of Tom's soul in Harry's scar.

The 7th book will still reveal how a Horcrux is made exactly and only then shall we know for sure. So no, your rationale still falls too short I'm afraid.

[Durin's Bane]

That 7th book thing kind of finalises the question so let's not use it...
What if Voldemort was about to make the seventh Horcrux in the graveyard in GoF when he revived himself. If he hadn't made the Horcrux at Goldric's Hollow and still hadn't made it that's an option, and he faild once more.
As whole that's my theory- he hasn't made the seventh, he lost himself as sixth when he tried, the locket (5) is supposedly destroyed and the ring (4) is, so that's only 3 more. Or Harry is 7 and that's 4, Harry destroys all and kills himself in the end or destroys all and marries Hermione since Ron is dead.
And my favoirite conspiracy theoty!!! Someone at the ministry has the last Horcrux, Voldie gets inside him and becomes a Minister for Magic and rules the world! Mwahahahahahahaha...

[Majimaune]

And my favoirite conspiracy theoty!!! Someone at the ministry has the last Horcrux, Voldie gets inside him and becomes a Minister for Magic and rules the world! Mwahahahahahahaha... Go back to where you came from. Thats crazy (but be pretty cool if it happened).

[Narya]

What if Voldemort was about to make the seventh Horcrux in the graveyard in GoF when he revived himself.


not possible. It is already a fact that he made all his Horcruxes before his body got destroyed.


If he hadn't made the Horcrux at Goldric's Hollow and still hadn't made it that's an option, and he faild once more.

As whole that's my theory- he hasn't made the seventh, he lost himself as sixth when he tried, the locket (5) is supposedly destroyed and the ring (4) is, so that's only 3 more. Or Harry is 7 and that's 4, Harry destroys all and kills himself in the end or destroys all and marries Hermione since Ron is dead.


The 7th piece of Voldemort cannot be encased in a Horcrux because that is Voldemort himself.

Why would Harry want to marry Hermione? He's gay. He'd want to marry one the twins I expect. He has a thing for redheads, you know ;)


And my favoirite conspiracy theoty!!! Someone at the ministry has the last Horcrux, Voldie gets inside him and becomes a Minister for Magic and rules the world! Mwahahahahahahaha...

How about the new Minister? Who appears to be a vampire. That would be a good twist.