On genealogy and hobbits

[Anáwiel]

The long and complex branches of the genealogy of families like Tooks and Brandybucks is mentioned everywhere, but all the big families belong to the Fallohides. Are there famous examples of the Stoors and Harfoots and what distinguishes them?
The Stoors are more sturdy and were the last to come to the Shire, and the Harfoots are of darker skin, but that's about everything I remember right now.

P.S. My apologies if I picked the wrong board. Didn't know where exactly this belongs.

[Barliman Butterbur]

The long and complex branches of the genealogy of families like Tooks and Brandybucks is mentioned everywhere, but all the big families belong to the Fallohides. Are there famous examples of the Stoors and Harfoots and what distinguishes them?
The Stoors are more sturdy and were the last to come to the Shire, and the Harfoots are of darker skin, but that's about everything I remember right now.

P.S. My apologies if I picked the wrong board. Didn't know where exactly this belongs.

Ah my friend, you have the makings of a true Tolkien Scholar! I predict much of your joy is going to come from digging "behind the scenes" as it were, in the endless footnotes and 3rd-party books about Middle-earth. Unfortunately I have gotten too old and mentally wobbly to do much more now than to read the stories for their entertainment value, and enjoy the fruits of the labors of other Tolkien academicians, of which I say again, I predict you becoming! :)

Barley

[Starbrow]

IIRC, the Stoors were more comfortable around water and I figured that they probably settled along the Brandywine. Could Farmer Maggot have been a Stoor?

[Barliman Butterbur]

Here's something to get you started in your research:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=stoors+harfoots+fallohides&btnG=Google+Search

By the way, one of the sources is that venerable website, The Encyclopedia of Arda (http://www.glyphweb.com/ARDA/) (the first site listed), which has been entirely updated and redesigned, and which you will find both fun and valuable. And, if you are unfortunate enough to own one of those computers that operates on Windoze :eek: , you'll be able to buy their interactive encyclopedia on DVD (http://www.axiomtoolworks.com/encarda.htm) and use it at home! :D :p

Barley

[Firawyn]

IIRC, the Stoors were more comfortable around water and I figured that they probably settled along the Brandywine. Could Farmer Maggot have been a Stoor?

Add to that question: Could Smeagol have been a Stoor?

Do we ever really nail down what he is? Aside from him being dubbed "one of the Riverfolk"?

[Barliman Butterbur]

To Fir: Your CSL quote about pain reminds me of this samurai saying: "When you awake each morning, refresh your mind with the thought of death." And another one (not sure of the source): "There's nothing that so clears the mind as the prospect of the gallows." Evidently the approaching end of one's life brings profound mental clarity...:eek:

We lost a very close good friend to cancer a couple of weeks ago. We happened to visit her in the hospital on what proved to be the last day of her life, and I have never seen or experienced anyone so serene or clear-minded and fearless of what was to come. Her absolute faith in the teachings of her spiritual path (its objective truth or non-truth irrelevant) had prepared her for her journey beyond this life. I envy anyone with that sort of faith! (Read the last three lines of my signature...)

Barley

[Turgon]

I think Maggot may well have been of Stoor origins, and Smeagol too. My books are downstairs, though, so I'm not in a position to check at the minute. Some little bell is going off in my head and it's getting me thinking that the Marish had a few hobbits of Stoor stock too. Of course it could be the tea bell, or maybe the sharp blow I took to the head earlier.

[Firawyn]

:eek: Turgon, what happened?!

Barley, great quotes, thanks, they have been added to my quote collection. (I'm serious! I have a file on my computer that is all the quotes I've collected over the last four years or so!) :D

Back to Turgon - do let us know what your books can tell us when you are able.

[Turgon]

Well a quick look reveals that the hobbits of the Marish and indeed the Eastfarthing in general were 'well known to be stoors in a large part of their blood'. So we're are a little bit wiser now...:)

And yay Firawen! 1000+ posts!

*waves a flag*

:cool:

[Firawyn]

And yay Firawen! 1000+ posts!

*waves a flag*

:cool:


You know for some odd reason, this event is very momentous for me. I doing my best not to cry. :o Thank you. :D