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Aiwendil
01-15-2002, 11:35 PM
Here's an interesting question, what happened to the Blue Wizards when they were sent to the far east?

For those who haven't read the Lost Tales, the Blue Wizards were among the Maiar sent to Middle Earth, their names escape me but oh well...nothing is mentioned of them that I have read, so any help who be well...helpful.

Bucky
01-16-2002, 07:44 AM
Actually, it's in 'Unfinished Tales'.

Tolkien himself says he doesn't know for sure, but he expects that they failed, being sent as it were as 'missionaries into enemy territory, and were the founders of 'magic' cults that far outlived Sauron.

Curufinwe
01-16-2002, 11:17 AM
No No No, They didn't fail. I think Cian wrote about this one, In POME HOME book 12 it says that they were Both involved in the war with sauron and helped the Easternling men (and or elves it does not say who the really helped but i presume it is men). But at any rate they were very central and key figures in the East in the downfall of Mordor.

Cian
01-16-2002, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by Curufinwe
I think Cian wrote about this one, In POME HOME book 12 it says that they were Both involved in the war with sauron and helped the Easternling men ...

I usually try to post not specifically the PoMe quote as "answer", but just whatever version (for simple comparison, ie Letters version for example) may not have been posted before I got there ~ although there's usually not much left to say on this by the time I arrive ;)

Khamul
01-18-2002, 08:27 PM
Just so you know, they are Alatar and Pallando. Those are the only names given other than Ithryn Luin which means "Blue Wizards." BTW, those names are their names in Valinor; they aren't given names in Middle-earth. Gandalf, Saruman, and Radagast's valinor names are Olorin, Curumo, and Aiwendil; respectively.

Cian
01-18-2002, 09:05 PM
Tolkien also toyed with two other Blue Wizard Quenya names Morinehtar and Rómestámo (Róme(n)star also appears, and Morinehtar may be a misreading of Morinahtar)

Dagorlad
01-20-2002, 12:52 AM
Yes, yes, very well. But due to my muddled mind (and laziness preventing me from doing the research to answer a question I should already know the answer to), there's a member of the white council that I can't recall. Saruman, Gandalf, Galadriel, Rhadagast, and - who? Elrond? Celeborn? Or were there only four and I'm just being a confused idiot?
Help.

Lord Aragorn
01-20-2002, 06:00 AM
I'm fairly sure Elrond was in the counsil, and I think that there were others as well, and that Tolkien didn't specify the exact make up of the Council.

Bucky
01-22-2002, 06:26 AM
As I just posted in 'who's stronger' in TLOR section (book), Glorfindel was a member....

Bucky
01-23-2002, 08:42 AM
Walter, Here's Glorfindel's comment:

Speaking of Saruman, Glorfindel says:
"For it is clear now that even at the Council his feet were on a crooked
path. He knew that the ring was not lost for ever; but wished US to think
so..."

Why would he say 'US' if he wasn't part of the Council?

Bucky
01-23-2002, 04:20 PM
Walter, where does it ever say that Glorfindel is the 2nd most important 'man' of Imladris?

Bucky
01-23-2002, 11:16 PM
Yeah, but Glorfindel is a man in the masculine sense of the word.....

So, we're at least agreed that Glorfindel may or probably was on the Council?

What about Celeborn?
It doesn't mention him either, but he must've been on there too. No?

Harry_Potter
01-24-2002, 04:03 AM
they went to the kebab shop

Beleg Strongbow
01-25-2002, 06:37 AM
What about Arwen? She was the 2nd person to leave the table. Elrond had Glorfindel on his left and Gandalf on his right! Or maybe the other way round.