Timeline, Armies, and the Like

[Dengen-Goroth]

Now then, I believe we must keep adequate track of our armies and prhaps a timeline of events to make it easy or any newbies to understand what's going on quickly, and to be able to join in without havingto read throught endless posts. So let's just get the armies straightened out and the lands, just to merge them. And please keep the number of armies reasonable to the land you hold. If you hold just Rivendell don't say 10,000, much less 2,000 archers or whatever you desire. Keep it reasonable, so we can retain having the mirth we find here on a usual basis (most of the time;) )

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Ok, well, I am the ruler (of sorts) of Himling.

We have a good 50 Dunadan knights that came with me from the Anduin, and about 50 more men who hold garrison and town guard postiions and stuff. Not much of an army, but Arathin has a small amount of rangers, I think.

Timeline sounds good, could outline major parts of forum RP history.

[Ciryaher]

Emperor of Eriador, King of Arnor

I have about 8000 infantry garrisoned at key cities and outposts in Eriador. 2000 chariots are kept in Arthedain.

[Beorn]

Beorn & Chippy (Where are you???) have 10000 soldiers waiting at a moments notice, each with his horse. 2000 of which are archers. 2,500 are swordsmen, armed with blades that are light, yet strong. 500 are Beornings, one of which being myself. 3000 bear spears, and are specialized infantry, which have been trained in wilderness, tracking, and all the important stuff...

[Adrastea]

I am right here Mike....:D sitting at my computer desk.looking at the monitor reading your post :D ..umm..Back to the subject...What he said...

[Mithrandir]

Mithrandir High Counciler and Second in Command of Rohan, Wizard of Cardolan, and Leader of the White Council

Ok, I am not really sure the forces that I hold in Rohan and Arnor, so i will get back to you on that one.

I have my 6 White Wizards, and the Wizards under them.

I can make a timeline of the White Council if you would like me to.
~Mithers

[Eomer Dinmention]

Rohan has 8000 men. 3000 archers, 3000 Calvary and 2000 swordsman

[Ciryaher]

Ah yes, Mithrandir. Each of the provinces of Arnor/Eriador (Cardolan, Rhudaur, Angmar, the Shire, Lindon, Minnhriath; except Arthedain, which is in my previous post) have a garrison of 1000 well trained militia. Depending on the province, they may be archers or infantry, or a mix of the two.

[Dengen-Goroth]

My vast Empire is far to great to hold ever 10,000. Stationed in my northern reaches, Souhern Mirkwood to the Brown Lands I have stationed some 1,500 easternlings. In Mordor herself I have deposited 5,534 men/creatures. Harad/Umbar, and the rest holds some 4,000 Haradrim, of varried armament. Rhun and Khand hold some 6,000 Easternlings. The Rest of the East to the very coast of the east, being about as large as the lands between the Misty Mts. and the Grey Havens, holds some 8,000-9,000 armies of varied species and sorts. This is all quite well justified, as my territory to protect s immense, and in all it adds to 25(6),034 total armies. Because of such a large mass I shall not mvoe any of them past their allotted lands unless need be great. Remember, I have about thrce gondor's realm, about twice Arnor's. It is quite fair in my opinion. If anyone has major problems I will dissarm some.

[Cygnus]

Angmar consists of 2000 undead minions and 500 orc archers *reasonable i think*

[¤-Elessar-¤]

horray, everyone has a reasonable army!
Much better than RP8, I must say.
*Claps for everyone

[Cygnus]

Isn't Dengen's massive realm cabable of holding more then Rohan?

[Arathin]

I have about 200 loose Ranger forces, but since we are spread out through all of the Wilderness, I think that might be under doing it. They can all be summoned at a moments notice by pet eagles. Not the huge ones; normal sized ones. About a quarter of them now reside in Himling with Elessar's people.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

no, no sarcasm. I am pleased with the numbers

[Eomer Dinmention]

I've changed mine to 9500 men because before i thought i couldn't have more then 8000 ok



9500: 3500 swordsman, 3500 calvary and 2500 archers

[Arathin]

Can I change that to 300 Dunedain Rangers? They are spread through out the Wilderness, so I think that is still resonable. What do you think?

[Dengen-Goroth]

We're sticking to original numbers. There can be an increase to your forces, total about 500 a week or so, and still that greatly depends upon your and size and the like.

[Arathin]

um...explain please Dengen.

[Dengen-Goroth]

Fine! I'll make a nice little chart so that there won't be any more complications. Your land=how much you can have in the way of forces. For instance, Arnor has a very large amount of land, so it has some 10,000 soldiers. However, Lothlorein has a smaller amount and so therefor must have only some 1,000 or so. HImling has some 100, because it is quite a small land itself. You can't have 10,000 in Lothlorein, and it would be folly to have 1,000 in Arnor. Now of course there must be some wayfor an increase in forces if need be. So we can increase perhaps every week or every other week. But we can't all increase by the same amount because of the same reason. Arnor should be able to call in a bit more then Lothlorein, because Arnor has more resources (land). I hop that cleared it up. The chart i'll work on. It will sa how much each land can call in. Arathin, that is why you can't really have 300, because I do not yet know what land, if any, you possess, and 300 is a great deal of forces. :)

[Arathin]

I don't posses any land, but we live in all of the Wilderness. I am like Aragorn Elessar, my half-brother. I own no lands, but the people follow me. We are Rangers. Nothing more, and nothing less.

[Ecthelion]

I am Nain Prince of the Iron Hills.
My father and I have any army made of 4,000 tall dwarfs.
1,000 dwarf archers, 1,000 rider dwarves, and 2,000 dwarf
knights.All armies are armed with mithrel weapons provided
by me Nain Silver Ranger

[Arathin]

My people will not wear armor. It doesn't even seem to protect anymore. Each wears a thin chain and pendant around their neck. This is prove that they are one of my people. Only if it is the true symbol are they one of my people. That way spys are impossible, since the instant they die the chain and pendant vanish. They all have a sword, long, boot knife, and bow and arrow. But they only use the bow and arrows when needed. They all prefer the sword.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

oh yay, I have quite a little treasure trove of swords and stuff

Anduril- Flame of the West, given to me by Ciryaher, my kinsman.
Aranruth- sword of Thingol
Durist- sword given to me by Mithrandir
(no name)- ancient relec of a blade that I used to kill my first man
Axe- the great axe of Tuor
Bow- Bow of Bregor
Bill- Me old horse (w/ a bit of an attitude)
A full set of golden armor (not very protective, only for show)
Steel Armor- my own blend, stronger than Mithril, for use in battle
Horn- a small horn I found on my jouries in the east
Book/scrolls of Feanor/Himring- writings on the making of magic stones
Palantir- Of Amon Sul, the other Arnorian stone was given to Eomer
Mysterious white gem- ah ha! this one is still a secret

that is all I can think of now, But if more are remembered I shall post of 'em!

[Eomer Dinmention]

Amm are we mean to claim them??? Ellesar

Because if we are then i would like to claim the sword of Thingol
and my Palantir

[Arathin]

I think that those are his relics that he has in his possetion right now.

[Ciryaher]

Eomer has the second stone of Arnor?! What madness is this? Why was I not told? I demand it be returned to me, whomever possesses it!

[¤-Elessar-¤]

aye, I found them, with the help of the icemen of the north, in the bay of Forochel, and I gave what I would guess was the Annuminas stone to Rohan, for he was my ally, and the one I took was smaller, and easier for my journies. You were buisy declairing your want to see me dead at the time. So lets see...
Dengen has one of the stones that Sauron stole, Tar found it near the ruins of Barad-Dur

I have one of the three Arnor Stones, probably from Weathertop

Eomer has one, which I presume was either kept in Annuminas or Fornost

Mike has the Orthanc stone, which was given to Aragorn in the WoTR.

The stone of Denthor is unusable.

The other of Gondor, which was either of Minas Ithil or Osigiath, was destroyed in the fall of Barad Dur.

Thus they are all claimed, and I presume that none of us will try to rival the skill of the Elves of Aman and try to make more.

[Arathin]

To try to make more would be folly. But the Stone of Denthor is not unusable. If you will look back the book says something along the lines of, and I don't have in front of me, 'unless the man was of strong enough will to turn the stone to his own uses, all he would see upon looking into it was the withered, burnt, old hands that had clasped to it tight' I know that is not correct, but it is close. I think. Feel free to look it up and prove me wrong. That is only what I think it said, and I read it a while ago.

[Eomer Dinmention]

Cir i officially give back the Palanir of Amon Sul the Second Arnorian Stone back to you. I find it wise not to use it so thats why i'm giving it back to you.


I also Claim Thingol's sword, it mine all mine lol

[Ciryaher]

Many thanks, Eomer. Now I have both the stone of Annuminas AND Amon Sul... *rubs hands*

You should put all that stuff in your RP Profile, Elessar. That way you don't have to worry about losing track of it.

[Arathin]

Profiles and notes are a good idea. To bad I don't take notes at school. I might know what my teacher was talking about. Well...ok...no I still wouldn't know.

[Dengen-Goroth]

Anyone care to begin a timeline of events here?

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Cir, I have the stone of Amon Sul.

Eomer, the sword of Thingol is mine, by right of blood I claimed all that I found in the box.

[Ciryaher]

Eomer said he just gave it to me, but ok...

Where was the other one at? Amon Sul, Annuminas...whichever was the third one is the one Eomer gave, I guess.

[Eomer Dinmention]

Really you claimed it ****

you should have told me before i put it on my sig looks like i have to change it.

Do you have anyone elses sword.

[Arathin]

Cir I think that you only got one pallanter, not two.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Ok, of the three that came by Elendil's hands to Arnor
One was set in a high tower(cant remember the name at the moment) and it was the one that Elendil used to spy the top of the holy mountain of Numenor, which was still above the waves. This one was taken by Elrond when he went across the seas. The other two were lost with the last king of Arnor at Forochel, these I discovered and gave the larger to Eomer, and kept the smaller to myself. I assumed that the larger would had been the stone of Annuminas, and the smaller that of Amon Sul.

[Ciryaher]

Hmm...alright. I shall be content with just having the stone of Annuminas.

[Lorien]

Since Naz so graciously let me move into Angmar, i feel the absurd need to tell you what army i have stationed there.
I have 500 undead orcs, 1000 undead men, and 1500 variety of assorted undead creatures. If anyone thinks this is too much i'll reduce it.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Three thousand sounds about right, it is fine by me.

[Arathin]

They're undead. How can one argue with that?

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Announcement-

The Isle of Himring, due to recent and not so recent events, is now limiting its admitance.

As of now, anyone who holds an authoritive position in any of the following countries is blocked from entrance to the isle.
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Arnor- for wrongs done in the battles to save lothlorien

Gondor- which still holds decree that I will be arrested upon entrance to its lands.
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This decree also states the first list of people who will be allowed indifference to the rule:

Mithrandir- My Leader in the Guild of Wizards, and a good friend

Kit Baggins, and whichever hobbits he deems trustworthy- Loyalty beyond count, and many of them are my good friends.

[Ciryaher]

Well, if you wish to be that way, your vessels are prohibited from entering any port or river mouth along the shore of the Arnorian Empire. I shall see to it that Gondor does the same, and you shall be forced to do your trade (if any) with Umbar.

[Arathin]

Are you two going to start another war?

[Beorn]

ELESSAR, I hereby decree you an enemy of Gondor.

If you are ever sighted near the lands of Gondor, you shall immeadietly taken prisoner and brought before me for your judgement.

If you ever commit any act harmful or degrading to anyone who I am in line with, you will be sought out by all my powers, taken prisoner and brought before me for your judgement.

If any word comes to me of any wrong doing by any of those in line with you, you will be taken prisoner and brought before me for your judgement.


Gondor- which still holds decree that I will be arrested upon entrance to its lands.
And, might I remind you that I NEVER said you would be arrested if you entered. Ciryaher forbode that, not I, but NOW I DO!

I shall immeadietly send out scouts for the hunting down of you for attempting to control an area that I currently govern.

You will be caught.

[Ciryaher]

With my brother in Gondor I concur, and his law shall be mine as well.

[Lorien]

Is everyone here against Elessar?

[Eomer Dinmention]

Ellesar are you saying that I'm am not alloud in Himring. I demand you to speak now.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Lords,

First off, I would like to say that there was a comment made in the heat of anger by Mike B. In it he claimed to stand with Arnor on some petty point and decreed that I was forbade from his lands, as did Ciryaher of Arnor. Ciryaher and I made our peace in the Silver Dragon, and my first ban from Arnor was lifted, I had yet to hear from Gondor and considered us still on hostile grounds. And I must say that I haven't the slightest idea what you mean by taking lands that you rule, Enedwaith is yours, and I have not entered it since I gave you power there.

Eomer, you are not of the realms of Gondor or Arnor, however your alliances stand, and you are always welcome anywhere that I can help it.

Lorien- they have always been against me, and they never fail to agrivate my temper.

[Arathin]

Elessar I told you this decree would start a war.

Look everyone. Why don't you all just go kill each other and be done with it. If a war is what you want Ciryaher, a war is what you shall get. But be warned my rangers will not fall as easily as you may think.

[Ciryaher]

A war is exactly what I want, but, as I hae stated elsewhere, the Prefect of Himling is not a worthy opponent of the Arnorian Empire. I do not fight wars in which my victory is assured beyond a doubt, and regardless of the skill of your rangers, they are no match for the best-trained soldiers in all of Arda. You are used to fighting mindless orcs by the hundreds, but valiant Men are a completely different story.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

and you really think taking Himling would be that easy, eh? Maybe you havent considered the construction that has been happening there. The dunedain are stout people, and fortifying a small island is not much of a task for them, I have serious doubts on whether the ship king would ever take the cliffs which surround the island, for it is like a giant plateau that rises from the waves below(there is of course a pass that leads to the top) And never underestimate people who are defending their homes, the ammount of courage that differs in a paid soldier and a homeland warrior is great.

[Ciryaher]

Elessar, as wonderfully as I deem Himling has been made, I do not desire to take it. And as stout as your defences may be, I have devised various weapons of siegecraft (acquired during my brief command of the Haradrim army) that could wear you away.

I pay my soldiers since they have children to feed at home, and if your island was hemmed in and surrounded, your courage would eventually turn to starvation. I doubt the Umbarians are willing to sell you much grain, anyways.

But I shall not make war against you, Comrade Elessar.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

You may say that we are at peace, but comrades we are not. Picture us as the US and Cuba, we could kill each other at a whim, but we choose to argue instead.

[Ciryaher]

Alright, Fidel. We won't be comrades. Don't count on any Soviet Union to back you up if I invade the Bay of Pigs, though.

[Beorn]

First off, I would like to say that there was a comment made in the heat of anger by Mike B. In it he claimed to stand with Arnor on some petty point and decreed that I was forbade from his lands, as did Ciryaher of Arnor.

Find the quote for me and the source, and I'll believe you. I do not ever remember saying such a thing.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

*sigh

Yes, I looked for it to quote it there. It was in the RP8 discussion and that has since been deleted.

*Ciryaher points out to extend the list so that it shows all posts from "The Beginning" and that RP#8 is about halfway down the second page*

[Beorn]

The closest thing to that was:

Originally posted by Beorn
*Gives Elessar a good kick in the butt for the sake of the people*


All Beorn's forces will be unleased on Elessar, Grand High pain in the butt of Arandor. They go not to injure, but to utterly defeat for his immature and derogatory remarks to Ciryaher, for his attack on Kementari, for his continuing insult to those who join with Mordor, for his insults to Mordor, for nailing Kem to the wall, for disrupting the peace of the forum, for continually cursing (or using @#$%^&*, which still conveys the lack of knowledge), and finally, for in general causing trouble.


All those who are getting very ****ed off at Elessar, Announce your standing!!!

If you are getting ****ed off with Dain, Announce your standing!

Now you will feel the consequences

[¤-Elessar-¤]

*smiles with fond memories

Yes, that very well could had been it, and I felt a bit threatened with the entire Gondorian Army aiming anything they have at my poor little head. :)

[Arathin]

I could make a wonderfully snide remark at this point, but I refuse to completely.

[Eomer Dinmention]

Ellesar I am not sure whether to be one of your ally. if Mithrandir will be your ally then i will be too

[¤-Elessar-¤]

*kicks Arathin

Feel no pressure, Lord of the Mark. I know that you have conflicting priorities, and the White Council comes only after your kingdom.
*bows

[Arathin]

*smiles innocently at Elessar* What did I do?

Does Mithrandir know about this thread?

[Eomer Dinmention]

Kings and Queens, Lords and Govenors. Could you all post the population of your army and the population of your Kingdom.

Because theres been a sudden change. I hear lord saying they have 42 500 men or 33 000 troops. Where the last battles there were. Was that nearly al of the Kingdoms had at the max of 15 000.

Could you all post, so that other people and I can get an idea to see how big our population should be

Eomer

[Snaga]

BTW The recent examples (Cir and Dain) are showing 1 in 8 of the population in the military. IMO that's very high, and only sustainable in wartime, but if you want a rule of thumb that might be one to use.

[Arathin]

Well Snaga, if you take it all into consideration. 1 in 4 is elderly, 1 in 4 is young, 2 in 4 is female and 2 in 4 male. So 1 in 8 for military personel is really very low due to the %'s. But Ciryaher's population goes against everything that was said earlier on this very thread.