Treatises, Construction, Etc.

[Dengen-Goroth]

To make it simpler for all during Rp's we should post all laws/treaties, etc. which are of importance here, so as to set the guidlines for our nations, and to keep all orderly and easily found by new members or others. This would be much simpler then directing attention to a numberof posts at once. I shall issue these two proclomations now:
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Henceforth all lands which are under the Control of Dengen-Goroth shall be known as provinces. The Following are henceforth provinces of Goroth:Mordor,Rhun, Harad, Khand, Southern Mirkwood, all lands eastward of Rhun, South Gondor, and the Brown Lands. The Boundries now srand as from The Eastern Shore to the Anduin and from the Southernmost land of Harad to the conjunction of the Celduin and Carnen. There may be a diagonal drawn from the Southern tip of the East Bight to the Dimril Dale. All of Mirkwood and lands south of the line up to the Anduin are also within the borders of Goroth. All of these Provinces are of the Mornclaur Federation . This shall now be the universal titles of all the affermentioned provinces.
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Henceforth none shall be allowed enterence within the Brown Lands least under approval. A great undertaking known as the reforestation shall occur where the Brown Lands shall be replanted with the things of beauty as in the Great Dells of Middle Earth. This Project shall take some time to complete, and when done the Brown Lands will be a rich and abundant fertile Land. To prevent damage to this undertaking and to not hamper the soil least what be planted wither this is enacted.

[Dengen-Goroth]

I, Dengen-Goroth Dark Lord of the Mornclaur Federation and all of her provinces make henceforth this decree. A Winged Nazgul shall be now the High Council of Mornclaur, and in that title shall be highest within rank before the Dark Lord.

[Talierin]

So my lands of Ithilien, which I govern for my lords Beorn and Dengen, are half under this Mornclaur Federation?

[Eomer Dinmention]

OMG

How much land does a Dark Lord need gees.

Thats alot of land

[Dengen-Goroth]

Keep in mind it's not all fair and beautiful. I'm working my best on replanting and beautifying the lands.

[7doubles]

dark lord i beg to service you as a duke to a small relm in your vast province. i vow to serve only your comand. and marshal with your leave.

"the enamy of your enamy is your ally"

[Eomer Dinmention]

Dengen if i were you. I wouldn't give any land to 7doubles.
His been a little anoying pest.
He will only form a small army and try to kill us ( Which he will fail)

It will just start a war between you and who ever he attacked

[7doubles]

hold your filthy toung, king of straw if you want me you post me; not campaign me against mine allys. are you fool, your words overthrow your attitude, you curd!

if it pleases my lord Dengen, allow me to set fire to the fields of rohan so as to starve their little ponys.

[Cygnus]

Lord Dengen. Allow my council once again. I would not give 7doubles land. I speak this for he has done nothing to deserve such lands as of the current time. That is all.

~Naz

[Dain Ironfoot]

I second that motion!! here here, I offer peace treaties between the Mornclaur Federation and My lands which will now be called "The Kazum Kingdoms". The land that this consists of are the Iron Hills, The Lonley Mountain, The White Mountains, The Grey Mountains, and Gabil-dum. I humbley offer this as a sighn of peace. *Dain hands Dengen a glowing sphere* "Do you know what it is? I'll give you a clue there were seven..." Dain replys with a smirk.

[Lorien]

shouldn't Cir and Beorn post here about how they all outlawed Elessar?
7doubles get a grip on yourself....

[7doubles]

lies and trickery, ironbreath gives freely that wich he can not posess and if elessar proves otherwise; then he serves your will my lord. in wich case a palenteir is delivered, service enough to prove my worth. alas i sence conspircy.

nas i will not argue with you, i can only prove my loyalty. and my abilty to endever to persavere against the obstickles of those who melest me and mine.

[Ecthelion]

I guess I am part of my Dad's Khazad Kingdom because I own the Lonely Mounatain and the Grey Mts. I also pray that you do not give 7doubles any land Dengen.

[7doubles]

all the more reason to give me land! even a portion of waist land would be greatly prized my lord Dengen. or perhaps a swamp? i could do you great service as a marsh warden, at your comand.

so speaks 7doubles

[Beorn]

Land? What do you need with land?

All the lands have been claimed by rulers.

I've been elected to be the King.

Dengen claimed the lands because no one had them. Ciryaher claimed Arnor because I was King of Gondor.

Prove your worth ere you think of begging.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

I am Elessar Elfstone II. I am the direct decendent of Aragorn II. I hereby establish my claim as lord of the nations in exile. No other being in the forum has the claim to them that I do. I will also distill my location now, I am dwelling upon the hill Amon Anwar. This hill, by the tradition of Isildur is banned from all save myself and those whom I appoint.

The tradition of Isildur:
This is a tomb and memorial of Elendil the Faithful. Here it shall stand at the mid-point of the Kingdom of the south in the keeping of the Valar, while the Kingdom endures; and this place shall be a hallow that none shall profane. Let no man disturb its scilence and peace, enless he be an heir of Elendil.

And it also says
Up this stair let no man climb, save the King, and those that he brings with him, if he bids them follow him.

The tradition of Isildur has stood since the end of the Last Alliance, and will continue to stand. No man, be he Beorn or Ciryaher, can transverse that stair, or come to that clearing at the top of the hill. Breaking this code is treason against the nations in Exile, and would break any of their claims to royalty in that land.

[Ciryaher]

Elessar, you forget that I too am an Heir of Elendil (although not quite the direct descent that you claim).

And, furthermore, I am a servant of the Valar and a disciple of Eru. If it is willed by the Ainur or He Himself, then I may go where I will at the grace of Eru Iluvatar and his Children.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Decent of Elendil, but heir refers to the bloodline of the kings. And as far as I know I am the closest to that line that exists. And if you claim yourself a servant of the Valar, as I do, than I trust that you will not tread upon grounds under their protection unless the rules provide.

[Dengen-Goroth]

The realm of Rohan and the Mornclaur Federation are now as allies, and shall not raise blade least they assault the other. Let this proclomation be known through the lands. Perchance we shouldhold a great court, to settle at last these disputes before us.

[Ciryaher]

And you with half the blood of the Noldor? You are not a descendant of Elendil by your own claim. Even if your mother were completely of Elendil's blood, we of Westernesse trace our lineage through the father, and your claim is void since your father was a Noldo and NOT an heir of Elendil.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

No, the Numenorian were the first to honor the equality of Women, as is the case with Tar-Ancalime. Not to mention that the line of the kings has changed. No longer is your line included, the line of Strider is now in rule. And the line of Strider is mine.
And, while we are at it....


I hereby decree to choose the race of Men. The race of the Numenorians is the race that I choose.

[Telchar]

The lands that are under the control of Telchar are Ered Luin, Belegost, Nogrod, Hithlaegir (from Carn Dûm to Methedras) and Khazad-dûm. These lands shall from now on be called Zirak Khazad. The Zirak Khazad are allies of the Mornclaur Federation.

[Dengen-Goroth]

Hail Lord Telchar! I am most pleased, and deeply honoured to be an ally of such hardy a folk and power. As Token of the undying alliance of the East and the Dwarves I shall construct a great avenue to Khazad-Dum from Barad-Gostannen! May the Mornclaur Federation and the Zirak Khazad be as allies till the world be broken! :)

[Ciryaher]

You cannot ostracize a full line of Numenorean blood. BOTH sides of my descent are of Westernesse, and my father was of direct royal blood. Mother was of a lesser royal house (not of the monarchs, but of royalty nonetheless).

[Eomer Dinmention]

Yes Rohan and the Mornclaur Federation are allies.
I would also like to pledge allegiance with the Zirak Khazad.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

which makes you even less the rightful king. Westernesse is no longer the bloodline of the kings. Aragorn wedded Arwen, and the race of Dunedian kings was ended, and the house of Strider was made. You are not of that house.

[Snaga]

I put on notice that all the following lands are fated to be considered in RPG35. No claim to them can be made, while RPG 35 continues:
- Vale of Anduin north of Lothlorien, from the Misty Mts to Mirkwood
- The Withered Heath
- Forodwaith

[Telchar]

Snaga; Hithlaegir, also known as the Misty Mountains, is already Claimed & Ruled by the Dwarves of Zirak Khazad. btw, PM me.

[Ciryaher]

Are you trying to say the the High King Aragorn of old was not of Westernesse? He indeed was descended of the line of the Kings of Arnor, the very line from which I also am descended.

[Dain Ironfoot]

Lord Dengen, do you not exept my gift? Do you refuse my alliance? I would be unhapppy if that is so...

~dain

[Dengen-Goroth]

What gift do you present Dain? I know of no such thing.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Snaga- Lord Telchar is one of the two Dark Lords of Arda, he and Dengen head the dark legion. I suggest you do not talk back to one who is probably your master.

Ciryaher- Somewhere...in one of the darned books, it says that the line of the kings of numenore was ended, or something to that effect... I'll look for it when I have time. btw- his decendents, the house of strider, became the new rulers at the beginning of the fourth age. The other blood of westernese was dimmed compared to the new line created by Aragorn and Arwen. Their line makes up the rulers, not the line of their far off relatives.

[Lorien]

And Snaga Dol Guldur in Mirkwood is already under the govern of a Necromancer.

[Snaga]

Heard that.

[Cygnus]

Would you all be quiet and stop your argueing? You argue about utterly pointless things. Ellessar. I suggest you let the Dark Lords handle their underlings

[Dengen-Goroth]

Mornclaur Mandate #3342245
From the Throne of the Dark Lord of the Mornclaur Federation
By order of the Lord Dengen-Goroth the armed forces of the Mornclaur Federation are now to undergo extensive training of six months per soldier, shall be equiped with armour forged in the Lands of Rhun, and shall be provided with a stead per man. The Lands of South Gondor shall now befall the same reconstruction as the Brown Lands have succesfully undergone.Brown Lands are now once again open, yet South Gondor is sealed least by order of the Governor. The Capitol of the Mornclaur federation shall from this point foward be known as Osclaur, Citadel of Glory, and shall be located in the Ered Lithui, nigh on the Land of Barad-Gostannen, which shall serve henceforth as the Palace of Goroth. A road of fine craft shall be constructed betwixt Dol Goldur and Osclaur. Also, there shalt be a Senate of the Mornclaur Fedeartion, which shall convene when the Lord announce. This shall not be an acting body, yet as a gathering of the Governors, Mayors, and Councils of the Federation for an adress by the Dark Lord on the State of the Federation. Construction on the Grand Senate Building shall begun now and it shall be known as Beraid-Rhun, Towers of the East, for they shall consist of 10 Towers of great heights. For the Federation!

[Eomer Dinmention]

So the Monclaur federation are strengthening there army.
What is this. Is Dengen preparing for a war.
Surely the Monclaur Federation does not need the help of Rohan

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Well done, Dengen. You have been buisy lately, glad to see that you have not lost your head...

[Dengen-Goroth]

Announcment from Osclaur
The Lord Dengen-Goroth of Barad-Gostannen has christened the first, second, fourth,sixth, and seventh fleets of Mornclaur in Umbar. They consist of newly constructed ships from sturdy woods and iron. Also the Second, Fifth, and Eighth fleets are finishing construction, and shall be now outfitted with durable long range catapults. They shall soon be prepared. The Lord Goroth has commisioned construction of the greatest line of towers ever envisioned, stretching from Harad to the eves of Mirkwood, east to the eastern sea covering the fringe of all of Mornclaur's Lands. Great Bastiones shall be built at a certain space between and shall garrison a formadable amount of defence. Also as the construction of Osclaur draws ever closer to completion the first Senate Shall be held in the new Beraid-Rhun. It shall convene in five days time. All Governors and officials within the Mornclaur Federation are hoped to attend. Lord Telchar is invited, as are any other heads of state from the nations allied with the Mornclaur Federation.
**Any whom wish to attend the Beraid-Rhun Senate must PM me by or before Wednesday**

[Eomer Dinmention]

As Dengen says Allies, Eomer's face lights up.

He thinks to himself. "What is Dengen up to, who is he attacking"

**I will anounce that two high towers will be built on each gate of Rohan's wall. To secure a good steady defence line.***

[Telchar]

Announcment from Khazad-dûm
After the orders of the Dark Lord Telchar there has lately been a massive building prosses along the borders of the Zirak Khazad Empire.All passes over the mountain will be closed, except for those who have the Procounsuls premission to pass. At every pass there are beeing built stongholds and forts. And along the boarders there are beeing built Bastions, and here there shall be Trebuchets and Catapults for defence. And an enormous system of caves are dug out for trop transport to and from the defencive strongholds, and these underground roads will, when finished, connect all the provinces of Zirak Khazad, except the Blue Mountains.

All armed forces are to report for duty. New weapons and armour forged in Khazad-dûm and the Blue Mountains shall be given to all.

At Methedras the building of a new city is under progress, and the foundation for the Towers of Metherdras is under costruction. These Towes will rais high above Nan Curunir. These Seven towers represent the 7 Provinces of Zirak Khazad. The Senate is under construction and will be located in Metherdas. The Senate shall not be an acting body, it's for discussion of important matters tha concerns the Empire.

[Ecthelion]

Nain feeling he needs to protect his land as well begins to make a wall around his land. The walls resemble the strength of Gondor's past walls. Every 1/2 a mile within his walls Nain starts to make towers going twice as high the walls. In each tower will be 5 archers each equipped with a bow and 30 arrows. By each gate (3 one on the South, East, and West sides) there is always 10 dwarven warriors patroling it. Each warrior will be equipped with a helm, sheild, throwing axe or knife, battle axe or sword, and metal boots. dwarves dont like chest armor. Being also built are houses so people can GET OUT OF MY TOWER! There is also soon to be a mess room for eating. My blacksmiths work in a deep part of The Lonely Mountain. Nain is also giving daily lessons to some of his men on cavalry. Nain will feel a little more protected when everything is finished.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Just to make sure that everyone knows, nothing comes without consequences, these are my suggestions for the taxation upon each countries resources. This can be translated into 1 forum year = 6 weeks. And manpower resources differ on forien help.

Arnor- Great Cathedral- 1.5 years taxes for the perfect stone and valuable wood required for a temple to the Valar. I will go with 10,000 good men to finish it in 2 years), which will be at least a 6th of the Arnorian Army.

Mornclaur- great wall w/towers, reconstruction- 4 years tax from the entire federation and 200,000 men for the walls (3 years, 1/4 of Federation's manpower). And reconstruction of a 100km*100km (10000 sq. Kilometers) will run 1/2 year of tax and 1,000 men over a 10 year period (nature takes a while, and reletively works for itself).

Zirak Khazad- Towers and defence preparations, city- 1 year tax (expensive stuff and difficult to build weapons) and 5,000 dwarves can finish in 1/2 a year (dwarves are tough and good builders). City will take 3 years and 1.5 years tax, it will probably take a good 10,000 people, depending on size.

Rohan- Wall and towers- 2 years tax and 10,000 workers for 1.5 years (really big space for a wall and bastions)

Lonely Mountain- Towers & army buildings- A good 1/2 years tax, mostly for the housing, the towers won't cost too much. 1,000 dwarves in 1 year.

I do realize that most of you will probably claim otherwise, but this seems fair to myself.
Rohan- Wall and towers- 2 years tax and 10,000 workers for 1.5 years (really big space for a wall and bastions)

[Ecthelion]

That was close I thought I might have had to pay something. Also Ellesar once my best dwarf craftsmen finish my walls and towers I will send you half of them(roughly 100). And that will suit you for every dwarf works as long and as good as 5 men workers and 10 elven workers.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

whoops, sorry nain, you must had posted that while I was posting mine, all better now though!

[Dengen-Goroth]

Ellesar, I believe that the year for the forum in actual days is far to long. Perhaps minimum of two or maximum of four weeks. (Week per Season).

[¤-Elessar-¤]

now, we don't want Ciryaher getting old and bald on us now, do we?
I was actually thinking it to be a bit to short, but if this is all of the input I get on it...

[Snaga]

Trouble is ... the actual RPGs themselves go way slower. If you're in an RPG, an RPG day can last a real world week sometimes...

[Ecthelion]

Why am I being taxed? Most of the people I thought you should tax are the people who desrtoyed your original land. Is it really fair that people who didn't help in destroying your land help you in your new one? Actually I really don't mind the tax because you are my friend and I would help you anyway. My other 900 workers will arrive when my plans have finished.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

no, I the tax isn't paid to me, it is payed to the queriers, treechoppers, merchants, laborers, ect. that must work to build those monuments. Most countries income runs on taxes, so I used that as a term for how much it would cost them.

[Ecthelion]

Oh ok. Well since I am 1/4 done I will send 300 more workers to you. That now leaves me in owing you 500 workers.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Dengen, upon reading your post again I cought something I missed the first time. The fact that you are making the wall stretch all of the way to the eastern sea, that made my calculations a little too nice, sorry.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Announcement:
The Control of Northern Mirkwood (all lands above the northernmost section eastern blight, hereafter refered to as Greenwood, or more properly- Eryn Lasgalen) has been handed on to myself, seeing as I am decendent of Thingol Greycloak, kinsman of the lord Thranduil. I have also claimed the unclaimed lands between Greenwood and the Misty Mountains, which is often refered to as the vales of the Anduin. (which is indeed the place of old Beorn's Kinsman and decendents) These lands are one nation, and this nation shall be known as Dor-Taur-Sir, the land of forest and river. It has 4 provinces, the southernmost (from the eastern blight to the Old Forest Road) is Harorod, the next(northward, from road to elven path) is Taurhar, and the northernmost is Edhel. The western province, everything that isn't woodland, is called Rhunorod. The Dor-Taur-Sir extends its hands in friendship and in hopeful alliance to The Kazum Kingdoms, Rohan, the Mornclaur Federation, and the Zirak Khazad. Good day to you all.

[Snaga]

Originally posted by snaga1
I put on notice that all the following lands are fated to be considered in RPG35. No claim to them can be made, while RPG 35 continues:
- Vale of Anduin north of Lothlorien, from the Misty Mts to Mirkwood
- The Withered Heath
- Forodwaith

Elessar can I point out this post previously on this thread. If you want to rule the Vale of Anduin, you will have to play for them! Just as well you've joined RPG 35!

[Ciryaher]

All of the land which you claim is that which the Lord Pontifex already controls. You are a Noldo, and NOT a Sindar. You cannot be related to every royal house on the whole of Arda.

[Snaga]

Can I also say on a completely seperate note that it makes no sense to the overall RP that an established character, whose past history movements and armed forces are well established could suddenly lay claim to vast tracts of territory, and that that claim should be credible.

Can I suggest that we put a stop to this, and let some other characters take charge of some land? Eg The Elves have no land and N. Mirkwood would be suitable.

This is my suggestion for consideration by the mods. Glad to hear other views.

On the other hand, in case this sort of claim is legitimate, I hearby claim Enedwaith, bounded by the Greyflood, Glanduin, Misty Mountains and the Isen, down to the coast.

Easily done isn't it!:)

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Snagga- I will not use it in any way that has to do with RP35, I promise

Ciryaher- We both have the blood of Thingol, through Dior, through Elwing, through Elros and so on, and if you would like I can foreward you the PM where Pontifex gave me that control. And, through clever use of the tables in the back of the sil, have made it clear to myself that I am quite related to most of those ancient bloodlines.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

and, snagga, the elves are slow and I claimed it first and foremost. It is mine and there is nothing you can do about it.
Oh yes, Edenwaith was restored by none other than myself, and was renamed Arandor. I forefited it in war with Ciryaher and Mike, it is now a province of Gondor.

[Ciryaher]

I do not like this at all. I will trust that the honorable Pontifex hath given these lands to you, but I will say right now that he was a fool for doing so.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

well then, scarface (which I judge to be the source of your strange little name), it wasn't supposed to make you happy, you weren't supposed to like it. I am just sorry it took him a month to answer my request, as to prolong your happiness and contentment with my state of less power.

[Dengen-Goroth]

Let it be known. On the morrow at 7:00 PM Eastern Standard Time the Senate of Mornclaur shall convene within the Laurëamard of the Beraid-Rhûn. As of now the all of the officers of Mornclaur shall be of attendance (as in Governors, the High Council, military leaders, etc.)as well as :
Lord Telchar of the Zirak Khazad Empire
Emporer Ciryaher of the Lands of Arnor
Empress Kementari of the Lands of Arnor
King Eomer of the Lands of Rhun
Lord Beorn of the Lands of Gondor

Any others must PM me by 5:00 PM Eastern Standard Time Tomorrow.

[Snaga]

Originally posted by ¤-Elessar-¤
and, snagga, the elves are slow and I claimed it first and foremost. It is mine and there is nothing you can do about it.
Oh yes, Edenwaith was restored by none other than myself, and was renamed Arandor. I forefited it in war with Ciryaher and Mike, it is now a province of Gondor.

Thank you Elessar that's useful to know. I take it you will be posting this on the list of Realms thread. I just find it kinda surprising that a claim like this has suddenly come to light, but no doubt you had other things on your mind. Anyway being an orc I wholeheartedly respect your 'will to power'. And I thought that the heirs of Ar-Pharazon were gone!

I foresee interesting times.

[Mormegil]

Mormegil would like to announce the building of a new city in the White Mountains. It will be the new capital city of the White Mountains and will be named Aldamar. It will be situated to the North-West of Helm's Deep, with rising towers to protect both The Kazum Kingdoms and Rohan from any attack through the Gap of Rohan.
I have set my dwarves on task and hope the city will be finished soon.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

If the Ar-Pharazon comment was to the fact that the name I put to my old country was that of a Numenorian Province I will tell you that I was still a bit ignorant when I created it, and didn't bother to check extensively for originality of the name. And if that was meant as an insult to me for wishing for power I will tell you, kindly, that I am not the only, nor the most, power hungry person in the forum, this was planned long ago, and is a step to keep myself on the playing field of my adversaries.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Mormegil, what is the size of the city? And will it be built of stone or wood?

I would like to proclaim that the Artisians will be headquartered in the realm of Dor-Taur-Sir before too long. I am currently ruling from a camp set up near the ruins of Thranduil's city of the elves, a restoration project for the city will come shortly. I have marshaled an army there, some 6 thousands so far, mostly of Elves who have been living in the woods, and the remanent of the army of Thranduil (and I dont even know what happened there, just that something happened, so dont ask!). I have equiped them with weapons borrowed from the dwarves and most of them are beginning to clear the realm, of those nasty giant spiders and all other evil things. This will take a while. The smaller portion (1-2 thousands) is beginning to clear a place for a perminant resedence in a new province, one that shares boundries with the other four. This province shall not have a governor(like D.C.) and doesn't have a name yet. Here a place of defence shall be built. I am constructing a tower in the mountains of Mirkwood, this shall be a center of learning, and I hope to create a library there. There will also be a place built in the lower province, but that is still being drawn up.

[Mormegil]

The city of Aldamar will be home to about 10,000 Dwarves. It will be made of stone mined from the White Mountains. There will be extensive underground caverns beneath the main towers of the city.

The City would be an ideal place for meetings, councils, summits etc.

[Cygnus]

The hall of the Lord of the Necromancers is now closed to all outside of the Dark Lord and my fellow necromancers. If you want to know the reason why i'm doing this, be creative. Use your imagination because i'm not going to tell why i'm doing this percisely.

[Eomer Dinmention]

Anyone who wishes to enter into the land of Rohan. Will have to be:
*Identified

And asked these Questions

*Where you came from?
*Your name?
*What connections you have with me?
*Why you want to enter my land?
*What trouble do you bring ?

If you do not answer these Questions you may not enter.
This goes for everyone with the exception of the White Council members.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

alright then, Mormegil. I will judge that to be 5,000 dwarves, and since you are mining the stone yourself(that will save some money) I will say 1 year of tax, and 2 years for the city. And 1 year for every 5 miles of underground passages, if you wish them safe.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Construction in each Province that is being, or is to be, done.

Edhelerin- Rebuilding the halls of the wood elves, old elven path will be upgraded to a road, road built to Lonely Mountain from elven palace.

Taurorod- Building of a single, great tower on the eastern edge of the Mountains of Mirkwood. A cave is being fortified on the western side of the Mirkwood Mountains, this is rather large and will serve to hold the giant spiders, which shall be fed stray orcs periodically. Road from great tower to old forest road.

Rhunorod- A fort upon the isle of Corrock, reconstruction of old ford road (which crosses the mountain and goes to Rivendel), building of road from old ford road to the old elf path, this will for the most part follow the river, and will cross over into Corrock.

Taurhar- A capitol building is being built in the cheif woodman village, and a road upon the western fringe of the wood, that will enter the wood to connect that village, this road will go to connect to the new road in Rhunorod.

Also, projects to capture the giant spiders, and other magical (and for the most part evil) creatures of the wood continue. These will all have protective habitats at different parts of the wood, but will be kept in caverns in the mountains until those can be established and fortified. (ooc: does anyone know of any other creatures in Mirkwood that are not the spiders, if you do I would appriciate the PM...it has been a long time since I read the Hobbit.)

The map attached outlines the borders of my country. It is bordered on the east by Mornclaur and the Lonely Mountain, on the east by the misty mountains, on the south by Dol-Guldor and Lorien, on the north by the Grey Mountains.

My hand is still extended in offers of Alliance to Mornclaur, Zirak Khazad, the Kazum Kingdoms, and Rohan. (also to Lorien if Wizdom is still her lord)

[Telchar]

Map? Where? Is it only me or is the map missing?

[Ecthelion]

The wall is finished. Half the towers have been built and 1/4 of the city is done. I send to Rohan 500 dwarves on ponies to be trained by Eomer in the art of Cavalry. Ellesar, another 200 men come to help build. 300 left to owe.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

oooops
*hits himself

[Talierin]

Try this one Cir....

[¤-Elessar-¤]

thanks, Tal. For some weird reason my new comp wont let me save bitmaps as anything but bitmaps...:confused:

[Talierin]

OOC: That's weird... I have a graphics program that lets you convert any type of pic to another, use it all the time....

In the fair tree-covered land of Ithilien, where two roads cross, there lies a ruined and broken city. It was once a fair and great city, but many long years of war and captivity by evil had destroyed it, and the moonlight no longer filled its halls with light. The evil that once lived there had been vanquished, and driven out, but after many long years still no one would live there. But now Minas Ithil’s time had come.

In the spring of the world, when Ithilien’s trees were just budding, great rafts filled with dwarven stone floated down the great river Andúin to Osgiliath, and carted the short 25 miles to the city, which was after so many years filled with people. All sorts of stonemasons, carpenters, smithies, and laborers were busily working among the shells of buildings, tearing down unstable walls, badly broken stones, patching chipped ones, and doing all sorts of other repairs. In the midst of all this great project, was the Lady of Ithilien, Talierin, planning and directing and encouraging.

The labor started at the west end of the city and worked its way eastward. The great bridge leading into the city had long since lost at least half of its stones, and was pulled down. A new one was put up in its place, made of white marble. It seemed to be incredibly delicate, but was in truth strong enough to bear the weight of at least 20 oliphaunts. Next to go was the huge gates and their supporting arch. They were nearly untouched, but such an aura of evil was upon them that Talierin’s wizards, who were carefully purifying all the original stones not to be taken out and the very ground, could not cleanse them. They were replaced by two white pillars and a new gate of dwarven iron, wrought in the form of trees. From there, the walls of the city were slowly replaced section by section, and inside quite a few of the large houses and mansions were taken out to be replaced with parks and tree-filled areas and public courtyards and squares with fountains. The river flowing down from the Morgul Pass was purified and made drinkable, and a clever system of aqueducts was installed to water the entire city. Murals were painted all along the main street, chronicling history. Everywhere there was carvings of trees on the walls. The houses that were not pulled down were refurbished and made grand and beautiful once more. Two of them were transformed into a library and a school for all sorts of artisans. On the roof of the library, a star-gazing platform was built, and an object called a telescope that magnified stars installed.

Outside the walls, ugly and disgusting plants were torn out, smelly meads filled in, the land cleared and cleansed, and gardens and trees planted. Along the road for 15 miles in every direction, Talierin healed the remaining trees, and planted new ones, making grand archways of trees. Lanterns were placed every 50 feet along the road, and every 3 miles there were small houses placed for the use of the lantern-lighters and weary travelers. The great statue of the king, its head fallen off, was restored, along with its fellow statues.

The last, but biggest change of all in the city was the pulling down of the tower in the center of it. Talierin consulted long with her chief craftsmen about it, and it was finally decided to bring it down. Like the gates, it too would never be fully clean. But instead of rebuilding a new tower, Talierin decided to create something special on the site. A great white domed hall began to arise out of the ground, stone by stone. It looked like the tree hall in the Shire, only it was circular, much larger, and made of stone instead of trees. The supporting pillars, however, were cunningly carved to resemble trees, reaching up to the dome. The floor was made out of a golden-colored stone, and leaf shapes were carved into it. At the edge of the cleared area, in the middle of which the hall stood, Talierin carefully planted a double row of trees all the way around, and using her powers, caused them to grow to their full size in a few hours. When all this was finished, so was the city, and there was much rejoicing in its new white halls.

After rebuilding the city, Talierin and the Green Wizards, as asked by her lord Dengen, replanted and grew the Brown Lands, the empty land in front of the Morannon, bits of Mordor, and South Gondor. The eastern parts of Middle-earth were starting to return to what they once were in the youth of the world, fair and green. The shadow of evil that had long lain upon them was being pushed back.
Also, Talierin decided to partially rebuild the halls on Emyn Arnen, the residence of the rulers, princes, and governors of Ithilien ever since the great War of the Ring. Since the tower in Minas Ithil had been pulled down, there was no place to govern the city from inside. So Emyn Arnen would become the governing place of the city. The halls that lay upon the top of the hill were enlarged and made bigger, a whole wing added for the many messengers that would be coming and going between the city and the halls.

There was to be many other rebuilding projects here and there, but nearly everything was finished in time for the great Senate of the Mornclaur Federation.

Note from Talierin
This does not mean that Ithilien will be open more. You must either be on official business or have my personal permission to enter the borders. Violators will be severly punished.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

I have received the serivices of 2,000 dwarves, they, together with the others working in Dor-Taur-Sir, will work to capture the foul creatures that have long lived in the wood, they will be put in a temporary camp at the western side of the mountains of mirkwood. The dwarves will mainly be working on the Minas Vorimakala, the tower of Everlasting Light. This tower will always be lit by natural light (sun or moon) through a system of mirrors that begin at the pinnacle of the tower. The tower will be approximately an eighth of a mile high, and will be 1,000 feet in diameter, it is in the shape of a cylinder with a cone, with a tall, spiraling, peak. All of the documents I have gathered over the years and the contents of the library of Himling will be kept there, of which most precious are the history of the war of the Silmarils and the book of the lesser works of Feanor.
(I have many older books that were survived from Beleriand on Himling, and copies of these I would like to donate to the library of Ithilien, if Talerin agrees.)
This tower will dry up the last of my funds, which includes selling my great suit of golden armour. It will also take 1/2 year of taxes from my small amount of citizens (for indeed, it is an exquisite tower). The space for the tower has been cleared, and it will be put in a cleft between two arms of the easternmost twin mountains of Mirkwood. There is no road to the site yet.

[Talierin]

Aye, any and all books are much welcomed for my library project, as stated in the Senate of the Mornclaur Federation.

[Ecthelion]

The archery towers are finished. Ellesar recives his last 300 dwarves. Am I off your tax now? Nain recieved a rare gift from one of his Ranger friends. It was a man-eating. Nain has traind the plant and has breeded it and is planting them all around his base. Nain is also starting many classes for his dwarves in things they are not so good at. He is teaching them cavalry and archery at the time. Also anyone well trained in the arts of archery who would mine coming to teach please do. Nain is also going on a trip after some of his classes. What he plans to do is make a trip into the deep Misty Mts. There he would like to find as many Mountain Trolls as he can. The Mountain Trolls will not attack me, The Killer Of Gothmog, but will plead for mercy. I will then use them as guards for my base (I would like 2 for each gate, therefore I need 6). Once that is done I will finally have peace and no fear in my mind.

[Dain Ironfoot]

Around all of my providences there are 6 foot wide wall with 4 gates at the Noth, south, East, and West entrances. The walls will be garded by 2 cave trolls at each opening. There will be two watch towers at each gate. these watch towers will be 4 stories tall and 10 feet wide. There will also be a tower at the center of the Mountain. The Entrance to the Mountains themself may not be opened by any other than myself or my demi-rulers. The gates will be made of steel not seen of this earth in 3 ages. This steel will be of the Gates of old in Valinor...

[Ecthelion]

Nain teaches one of his best men the art of archery and cavalry. He then lets that dwarf give the lessons. He then picks his next 10 men and prepare for the journey. He will use his magic to bring back the trolls. Nain and the group begin there journey to The Misty Mts. They will enter through Moria. The group will get to Moria in a day.

[Telchar]

The Gates of Moria are closed for visitors at the moment, as the reast of the cities and passes of the Misty Mountains.. And the city of Khazad dûm is inhabited by dwarves, and it's currently the capitol of Zirak Khazad Empire..

[Ecthelion]

Telchar, you own them correct? With our alliance I ask to be allowed in.

[Eomer Dinmention]

*****The whole Kingdom of Rohan, who is ruled by King Eomer, is
closed for now. If you want to know why, well i'm not telling you. The Rohirrim will stay inside the Kingdom of Rohan for now. Only the King and his captains are aloud to get out*****

Thankyou very much
Éomer Ðinmentioñ

[Telchar]

Nain, you are allowed to enter.

[Ecthelion]

Thank you Telchar. Nain and his group walk in to Moria and start there descent. They find they first one that day.First the cave troll cried for help. To Nain's luck 3 more trolls came. They then saw Nain's face and as he expected pleaded for mrecy. Nain (knowing all tounges of the world) tells them of what they are to do. He then asks if they know any other trolls in the moutain. One of the trolls makes a loud roar noise. Then, 5 more came. Now he already had enough to put 3 at each gate. They obediantly followed Nain to his base. They were all armed with a helmet and a giant piece of rock formed in the size of a club.

[Snaga]

Nain

I think Telchar said you could enter. I do not think he said you could conscript the trolls of the Zirak Khazad into your army. I have loyalty to both Telchar, for I govern Mt Gundabad, and to Dain for I govern the Grey Mountains, so understand that this is awkward.

But you are stealing the military might of Lord Telchar.

I think you should confirm urgently with Telchar that this is permissable, and until you get it I would, as a friend, counsel that you stand down.

[Ecthelion]

Nain has a conversation with the trolls he took. He then sent one letter to snaga and one to Telchar:

Dear Snanga, I have talked to these trolls and they have confirmed me that there are far many more trolls in other places of the Mts. Therefore there are plenty left for Telchar. Also, I don't even think Telchar would want trolls in his army.
Signed,
Nain

P.S.-Thank you for your concern.

To Telchar he wrote:
Dear Telchar, I have taken some trolls from your Mts. The trolls tell me though that if you want them in your army there are many farther South than anywhere.

Signed,
Nain

[Telchar]

Reply to Nain.

Dear Nain
The Trolls, Orcs and Goblins in the Misty Mountains are in my Legions, but Snaga is their commander, so I will not give you promission to take them without Snagas aproval. A leader can't give and take at his own will, then he will loose followers and power, the absolout power lies in his followers. I hope you understand this.

Telchar

[Ecthelion]

Nain sends another letter to Snaga:

I have already told you there are many more, so may I keep these trolls?

Signed,
Nain

[Mormegil]

Nain, please read the 'Senate of the Khazum Kingdoms' thread. This issue has been resolved. Dain is sending Trolls to all his provinces, so you don't need Telchars Trolls.

[Telchar]

The city of Methedras and the Senate of Zirak Khazad is soon finished. It is not decided when it shall be opened yet, due to the political situation in Middle Earth.. B
ut I need to know who will be there, so please pm me. :)

[Eomer Dinmention]

Telchar, i would like to go and have a look, though i'm not sure if you accepted my pledge of allegiance.

[Dain Ironfoot]

I now claim the Bay of Forochel. It will be counted as part of the Kazum-Kingdoms. I will govern it, and creat traid routs and a mailing service for them. The people that live there are cold dwarves. They are miners and great with weaponry.

I would also like to offer treatises to the Morncaulr Fed. and the great kingdom, Zirak Kazad. If you exept than please post so hear or in my senate... Thank you.

~Dain Ironfoot

[¤-Elessar-¤]

I would like to announce the completement of the dehazardination of the top two provinces of Dor-Taur-Sir. The foul creatures have been subdued and now live in controlled environments. The tower of everlasting light is finished, and is sending copies of 50 of it's 100 one of a kind books to Talerin for her library project, they are requesting some books in return. The palace of the elves of northern mirkwood is now completely restored. And there is the current capitol of Dor-Taur-Sir. Ms. Baggins is the new governor of the woodsmen of the southern province of the kingdom.

[Dengen-Goroth]

Dain Ironfoot, as far as I was aware the only ones who lived in those wastes were the Icemen, and I have sent a great expedition of some 1,00 individuals to the tip of the Icebay and Northward. I hope none at all of your men shall interrupt with them. As they are constructing things which I will not disclose, and that land is needed by the Federation currently. You may take south of the tip, and I shall take north. Then we may discuss treaties. *There is a defined reason why I need these lands, it is vital*

[Ciryaher]

I already control the southern part of Forochel (refer to the map in the Senate of Atannore) and furthermore, I protest any further land claims, including your latest.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

*Elessar would like to point out to the lord Ciryaher that it may not be smart to begin war in the north (at forochel) and the south (in Edenwaith). I would suggest to him that he lets this one go.

[Ciryaher]

*Ciryaher would like to suggest to Elessar to take his suggestion and stick it in his nose*

I will back down on no issue. This land-craze is ridiculous and I refuse to allow the lust for "Lebensraum" to go unhindered.

[Snaga]

OK here are where I think the boundaries lie. I might be wrong, but this is an attempt to clarify.

The blue areas are disputed:

(1) Arandor; currently disputed by Gondor and Arnor

(2) Forochel; currently simultaneously claimed by Arnor, Khazum Kingdom and Mornclaur

(3) Small area east of Anduin; currently claimed by Dor-Taur-Sir and Mornclaur.

The yellow area appears to be unclaimed.

I hereby claim it!

If that area has previously been claimed, please post the evidence. It is definitely not part of Dor-Taur-Sir, since I have consulted Elessars map closely. It is not part of 'historic' Gondor or Rohan so no 'by default' claims please!

However, I don't want this land for myself. I will hand it over to any worthy member of the forum who participates often and is not a current ruler and has good ideas for it. If you want it, come and claim it! (Sorry about that!) PM me...

Does anyone disagree with these boundaries? I won't be surprised! Let me know where its wrong, and I'll do another version.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

(where did you find that strange map?)
I can tell you now why that land has not been taken. It is bare and desolate. The only populated areas are claimed, the dale by Moria, and Lothlorien stands with someone or another. Otherwise you have rolling plains that are sparse of vegitation and uninhabited.

[Snaga]

I copied it from here:

Encyclopedia of Arda (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm)

That land has Fangorn... so Ents!

The description of it in RPG35A is that is in uninhabitated and wild, but not without potential. There can be found the Pool of Lorellin, a hot spa with healing properties.

* Meet Snaga the Real Estate Sales-orc! *

[Eomer Dinmention]

Fangorn is full of Ents. And i believe it belongs to ROhan. But Rohan does not fully own Fangorn. There is no leader of the Ents so i hope it will be left alone.

[Snaga]

Well unless you've claimed Fangorn previously it doesn't belong to you. It didn't at the time of LotR, so it doesn't now.

But I will say this KE... I will ask your opinion on the person I am thinking of granting it to. If you have concerns with them then I will listen and take them into account.

The land north of Fangorn/River Limlight (Field of Celebrant) is more suitable for habitation, since noone lives there.

Requests to be allowed this land will be considered on their merits - i.e some outline of your plans for it are needed. BTW, this can be for both parts or Fangorn or Field of Celebrant seperately.

[Telchar]

Fangorn don't belong to Rohan, in LoTR Fangon belonged to none.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Ok then, But I beleive that the ents also told that they had no certain leader, did they not? No-one could govern the ents, the ents are an unwarlike race and would not harm anyone. And Lorien is claimed, PM Mirina about it if you want more information, for I have none to give.

[Snaga]

I agree completely Elessar. That's why I'd want to know exactly what the owner had in store for Fangorn. I certainly won't be raising any Ent armies and I don't think anyone else should! (Of course if some wizard starts chopping the trees down... well who knows eh?!)

Yes Lorien is seperate. Lorien belongs to Wizdom I think. I don't know if he passed it onto anyone, since apparently he's gone??

[¤-Elessar-¤]

(That is why I said PM Mirina, she is the daughter of the king and queen, I think they are Arina and Beleg or something like that.)

Dor-Taur-Sir would like to announce that a military force is leaving it's borders, and is on it's way to Rohan, to celebrate it's new Alliance with the great nation.

Peace of some sort has been had in the eaves of Mirkwood, the Silivan elves there have, as in times of old, have grown in numbers. This is in much thanks to the long absense of a dark lord, and the fact that the current dark lord is not as evil as the name implies. The elves have reconstructed their old home in the northeastern parts of the great forest and have begun to migrate from around the forest back to that ancestral place. There were some twenty thousand elves that were counted as citizens of the elven province of Dor-Taur-Sir. Some thirteen thousands of them were male, and twelve thousands of them were inlisted into the province's army. This well armed force is headed by a system of twelve generals, each of which served in the War of the Last Alliance, and three of them migrated eastward from the land of Doriath, where they were under the command of lord Thingol. Each of these generals has ten captains, these captains serve to the particular needs of their one hundred men, and consult their Generals.

There is a force of some four thousand Beornings that have also marshaled, and they have joined the elven army from the north. They are under a similar structure to the rest, only the four generals are of Dunedian lineage, and are the kin to lord Elessar.

The peoples of the middle and lower eastern provinces have attributed another thousand skilled bowmen and trackers who will join the army.

Thus the entire force of Dor-Taur-Sir is some seventeen thousands-

10 thousand mounted cavalry (elven)
4 thousand booted infantry (Beornings)
3 thousand specialists (Elven and Woodsmen)

Six thousand elven women have been sent to Rhunorod, and are working on government owned farm operations. They produce, by elven craft, enough food to maintain the army and the rest of the country, but little more. There is another thousand sturdy elven women who are working to produce arrows. They also produce woodcraft that is to be traded to neibors for other military necessities.

[Talierin]

Here's the official map of my lands.

The city farthest south, Hallaorn, is not built yet, but when the war is over I hereby propose to build it. The name means 'Tall Trees'.

I thank everyone who has given or copied books for the library project. Currently they are in storage until they find homes after the war is over, which will be soon I hope.

[Snaga]

Tal

Can I check what I think is shown in the map. Have you rebuilt Minas Ithil, but at the old crossroads, as opposed to further east in the Morgul Vale? If so, I hope you've kept the statues of Frodo, Sam and Gollum that I narrated at the crossroad in RP35! Yaygollum would be very upset if the statue of Gollum was destroyed!

* * * *

I announce that the orcs of north, have tunnelled an underground highway connecting Mt Gundabad with the most western of the three hidden strongholds of the Grey Mountains (Lugbúbhosh, Durbundûm and Carglukang). This achieves a key objective of unifying the orcs of the north, and allowing them to pool their strength.

[Talierin]

Ooopsie..... It's supposed to be on the Minas Morgul site, but I can't read, hehehe.... Don't worry, the statues are still there along with some new ones.

[Mormegil]

I hereby announce that the White Mountains have been declared an independant state, following the collapse of the Khazad Kindoms.
I am the King of Ered Nimrais.

[Snaga]

In the Khazum Kingdom of old it was stated that they had several thousand Eagle-Riders. I hereby propose a total ban on such units. Here is my reasoning.

(1) The Great Eagles (like the Ents) are not answerable to any power of Middle-Earth. They are servants of Manwe alone
(2) The Eagles can be ridden, but not for great distances, and not for the purposes of combat. The Eagles can fight, but encumbered by a person, they turn and move slowly. An armored individual would simply be too heavy
(3) The Great Eagles are not great in numbers: about 100 or so I would think.

Therefore I do not agree with any claiming these as part of their armies, and believe all should agree never to claim them.

Let all the leaders of Middle Earth have their say on this matter.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

I shall have to say that I agree with the main point of the post. The Eagles should not be used by one nation, in great numbers, and should be counted not among the armies anywhere. They are exclusive to the use of those who serve the light of Manwe, and those who counter the deeds of the Dark Lord(s)

[Ciryaher]

I think that only the Children of Eru and Aule should be used by those who serve the West for military purposes; those who serve Morgoth Bauglir should use only Uruks, Ologs, and Wargs.

That is what I think. No dragons, eagles, ents, or cats.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

New count of the forces of Dor-Taur-Sir

The forces have all been combined, and the numbers are based on the growth of other lands near/around/and simmilar to my own.

Elven Warriors- Horsed Elven men, they each have a long spear, and a sword.

Elven Archers- Elves that are armed with elven bows and arrows. They often are sent out in small packs, and tend to walk barefooted and light in the forests. They are nearly impossible to detect or find, and they leave no tracks.

Woodsman Rangers- People of the southern wood. They are excelent hunters, often providing food for the army, and they are very stealth in most types of environments. They usually go as bowmen or assasins, bowmen being the most prominant. They are the equivelent of elves in their marksmenship.

Beornings- No longer the use of Gondor, the Beornings are a part of the Dor-Taur-Sir nation. They often go as booted cavalry, and many retain their shapeshift abilities. They are experts with the wide-open plains and rivers. They have been strengthened by long wars with orcs, and are sturdy in the face of fear and adversity.

-- All of the peoples of Dor-Taur-Sir have profited in being absent from wars. They have not declaired war on an enimy since the first war against Sauron- The war of the last alliance. They were weak then, but have in secret grown. The elves are as strong, and numerous now as they ever were, although they are not as glorious and ambitious as the Noldor were. They are led by Elves who had surved under Thingol Greycloak, and have, in ages past, fought the might of Melkor Morgoth, and thus they fear no enimey. Their numbers are as follows.


Race/Homeland------Number of Total enlisted---Number currently serving
Elven Men----------20,000---------------------10,000
Beornings----------15,000----------------------8,000
Woodsmen-----------10,000----------------------5,000
TOTAL-------45,000---------------------23,000
*The total inlisted makes up 4/5 of the total population of able men

[Valar]

Elessar why arn't the Beorings No longer under Gondors control? Have you asked Beorn?

[¤-Elessar-¤]

The Beornings were never under the rule of Gondor, they have never before been acounted part of a Kingdom. Beorn can speak to me if he wishes it otherwise, I am sure we can work something out.

[Ecthelion]

Nain travels and travels on his horse with 1,000 workers towads the Northern Waste. Finnaly they arrived.Nain looked about the land in disgust. Immediately he gave his men orders and they all took off to different places in the Northern Waste. The dwarves were planting trees, grass, bushes, and all types of wild life all throughout The Northern Waste. This process will take a 3 days in reality. Before night all the dwarves set up tents in which to live in until the dwarves finish planting greens and finish bulding Komnah, a huge castle taking upalmost all of The Northern Waste. Komnah will be done by this Saturday real time.

[Ciryaher]

Umm...there's a reason the Northern Waste is called that.

No plants can grow there; at least not anything but lichens and hardy grasses. Don't be foolish.

[Snaga]

You are right Ciryaher. Tundra and permafrost at best. Just ice and snow further north still.

Oh, and its not unclaimed. Technically its owned by the Mornclaur Federation. The patrol will be passing fairly soon, which you will be greatly relieved about.

You will find your spades cannot penetrate the frozen ground, so you cannot dig foundations for your castle (which sounds a bit large if you don't mind me saying). Your plants won't survive, even if you manage to plant them. You are living in tents. Unless you are very fortunate, you will all be suffering from exposure and possibly frost-bite. Already, white wolves will be circling your camp.

But do not fear, the patrol will chase them off, bring you hot drinks and help you to our borders.

My advice would be to ask someone if there might be some hills you can govern and mine. For instance perhaps King Valar would like someone to mine the hills of Andrast (SW Gondor) for him?

[Ecthelion]

Hhmmmmm........sounds good snaga, I'll ask him.

[Snaga]

Best of luck! BTW - a hope thats a good tip but I don't know... there could be a governor already for all I know.

[Snaga]

In the old days before independence the Grey Mountains had 6,000 orcs enlisted in the army.

Being true orc country now, all the adult males are under arms. All orcs learnt to fight, as soon as they can walk. If they survive to adulthood, its because they are strong and hardy.

The forces are therefore now like this:

6,000 Great orcs (uruks, or hobgoblins as they were described in The Hobbit). These are heavily armoured and armed foot soldiers, and many of them highly proficient archers. They have completed training provided by the Mornclaur Federation as posted previously, and they wear the best dwarven made armour. They are the shock troops of the Grey Mountains.

12,000 Orcs. These are highly mobile forces, stealthy and secretive, using tricks learnt from the Temple of Light, from Gabil-Dum of old. Appart from that knowledge they also have been taught some secrets of battle from the Dol Guldur orcs. Many of them ride on wargs. They are experts at harrassing and destroying forces with hit and run raids.

Needless to say all orcs see in the dark better than the light, and are all but unbeatable in their own tunnels.

In the tunnels there are a large number of trolls, but these rarely venture forth except on the longer winter nights.

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Let it also be known that there is a great need for timber at this time. So a great felling of trees from the north of the forest of Mirkwood is being undertaken. Don't worry its a big forest... what's a few trees amongst so many, eh?

[¤-Elessar-¤]

No person, be he man, elf, or orc, has been given permission to cut trees in Mirkwood. Dor-Taur-Sir has strict trade policies, and the use of it's most valuable resource (lumber) is most restricted and watched. Any of your people, from this hour forth, caught chopping trees in my forest will die immediately.

[Snaga]

Oh really? Well, I value my people above mere trees. Lay a finger on any of my people and it is your folk who will die.

Anyway I've chopped loads already, so as you're so unreasonable, my men will take these for now, and we'll see if its enough.;)

[¤-Elessar-¤]

No, you haven't. I have had patrols watching the norther borders since your little 'rebellion', no trees were cut. If you need wood, I am more than happy to set up trade routs, we could negotiate something, I am sure. (you can't just say that you've cut bunches of wood. That is like me saying that I sealed up all of the entrances to your mountains, save one, and pumped water into that one, killing your people. It just couldn't have happened)

[Snaga]

Well Elessar it is interesting to see how your mind works, and I have to say I don't think that's really the same. Apart from that I am not attempting mass murder... there is the fact that chopping down a tree takes maybe half an hour, whereas the construction required to block entrances to the orc-holds and then flood them would take several weeks. But nevertheless...

I suppose your patrols might have caught up with my axe-bearers before they could get what they wanted. So let us consider a trade.

I need 500 tree trunks, hardwoods (e.g. oaks etc, not pines). If you fell 'em, my boys can drag them away. What would you want in return? I have posted trading commodoties here:

Grey Mts (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=102247#post102247)

[¤-Elessar-¤]

here are some ratios (for lack of a better word)

250 trunks- 8000 pounds of Iron
125 trunks- 600 gallons of Oil
125 trunks- 6000 pounds of amûnenghin

[Snaga]

(This place really needs a clear out when a thread like this disappears off the page so quick...)

Anyway Elessar trade is a sensible idea, as we are neighbours.

I didn't quite get what **** meant in your post.:confused: so I'm not sure if your suggesting a fair price.

However when we agree on a price I will send a raftsman down the forest river with the materials floating in barrels. I seem to remember that's how you do business!:D

[¤-Elessar-¤]

I was trying to get you to offer a price, but it seems you are as reluctant as was I. Here, I'll fill it in.

[Snaga]

Hmmm well I don't know. I think we agree something based on iron for lumber. How about 500 trunks for 11,000 pounds of iron then?

(Well, you have to haggle!)

[¤-Elessar-¤]

lord snaga, if I could direct you to my first post, the one that had the '****', I have filled them in and made an offer. You may barter with it.

[Snaga]

I saw you'd filled it in. I was making a counter-bid.

In particular, I think oil is a lot more valuable than that. Rather than get into an argument over that I thought a iron for timber trade would be more easy to agree.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

I had thought that you were referring to lamp oil, not petrolium oil. My mistake. I can now see how you thought it so valuable. However, Lord Snaga, we have a small supply of Iron, and do not need quite that much. So, dropping the oil, I will suggest 500 lumber for 8,000 pounds of Iron and 6,000 pounds of your special metal.

[Snaga]

OK. You drive a hard bargain. But you have a deal. I will send some orcs to take the trunks away, and rafts will bear the metals to you.

[Eomer Dinmention]

Snaga do you trade Metal

Because Rohan would like some.

[Snaga]

Yes many metals are to be found in the Grey Mountains. Though not mithril, which is only to be found in Moria.

What did you wish for, and what have you to trade?

[Eomer Dinmention]

We need alot of iron.

But Rohan does not have much to offer but some calvary. But not too much we need them.

[Snaga]

I assume that you mean horses, rather than riders as well.

That would be possible. The Grey Mountains do not use horses for riding on, but my friends in Mornclaur will gladly take some of your fine steeds. Especially the black ones.

I have a debt to pay to Dengen for his troops have been training my armies, so this deal will square things up.

I propose this:

I will send you 6,000 pounds of iron in exchange for 200 black horses, which you can send across the Anduin at the new bridge to the north of your land. I will send boats with the metal down the Anduin to you.

[Eomer Dinmention]

Deal. Though I'm not sure if we have that many, black horses, but i will gather all i can and tell you.

[Eomer Dinmention]

OK we have around 180 - 195 black horses is that enough?

[Kyrè]

Sorry for my late post. I didn't discover this thread till recently.

I, Queen Mirina, ruler of the country of Lothorien, claims the throne for myself, and my kin.

I have many trees availible. Their use better for finery than construction and building purposes.

[Snaga]

King Eomer, I am afraid my supplies of iron are low at the moment. Demand is strangely high. I do not reject your offer, but can we delay the trade for a little while, while we mine the necessary metal for you.

Thanks

[Eomer Dinmention]

OK that is ok with me

But i ask you, what other metal is very good for armoury and weapon. THere is talk about a war going on, and I wan't my men ready for it

[Snaga]

Well you can alloy iron to make steel. This we can do. Steels vary in type between those that are hard, but not pliable, to those which have more flexibility but are slightly less tough. An arrow head you might only use once, so a tough steel is good. But a sword must not snap if the sword stroke is turned, so you cannot use the toughest steel. A sword needs just a little flexibility. Most weapons need that.

Other metals tend to be rarer, and therefore more expensive. And most noble metals, like gold, silver or copper are quite soft and so are less useful for weapons.

Of course mithril is a possibility, but there is so little of it, and the price is too high except for very special pieces: for kings and such. There is not enough in middle earth for an entire army.

[Eomer Dinmention]

Hmm Mithril is not what i want. I don't think that I have the money to buy all of Mithril in ME.

But we will wait for the Iron until it arrives, if that is ok with you Snaga. And we can send your black horses now if you want

[Snaga]

OK we have mined some more iron King Eomer. I am sending it down the Great River on barges, and I will let you know when it is nearby.

[Eomer Dinmention]

The deal is over, it is cut

There will be no more trading from any part of the Monclaur or anyone associated to the Monclaur thankyou

[Snaga]

As you may have learnt by now, that was just a cover story.:D

[Eomer Dinmention]

I already knew, before

But I was busy so i could only post things that was important.

But good try lol hehe

[Kyrè]

I also remove myself from any dealings with the Mornclaur Federation.