what would you put in/take out

[Dûndorer]

im not a fast typer so im gonna be as brief as possible:

i think that instead of adding things of their own in the movie, they should have stuck by the book.

i would have told how many days that thier journy realy took, because it might be just me, but in the movie it only seems like it takin them like a week or so to get to the breaking of the fellowship.

i would have takin out the part when they try to travel over the mountain. i would have made them go strait to the mines. i would also take out the part when they battle the orcs and the troll (i dont think this was an important part)

i would have put in farmer maggot('cause in the movie it makes him look meen) and tom B. (well 'cause he isnt mentioned at all in the movie)

and i think that there should have been some singing or at least a poem or something.

[Khamul]

Im, sorry but I really did not like Tom that much in the books. He was a character that seemed a little odd to me, and can you imagine people sitting in waiting to see an action/fantasy movie having to listen to Tom singing alot of his littl songs?

[Hornburg]

I disagree that the orc/troll scuffle in the mines was unimportant. I saw it as a pivotal moment for Frodo and for his Fellows' sense of him.

I can also see why they cut Bombadil -- although it made Bree seem to be right on the border of The Shire. In fact, the time was so compressed, the movie in general seemed to make all of Middle Earth much smaller.

I would have liked to see more flashbacks -- not just lore stuff, but Gandalf's struggle to learn the truth about the One Ring and his alliance with Aragorn.

[DarkLegolas]

Quote FOTR
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l Quote me
Hey dol!merrydol!ring a dong dillo! l----------------------
Ring a dong ! hop along! fal lal the willow! l Hey dol merry dol a
Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bomabadillo. l terry terry dol yo ho
----------------------------------------------- it's me tommy tom Bombadillo


thats my favorite part the "derry dol"


my song speaks for itself

[Nicholas Blake]

Ok, here we go.

It is quite hard to show the realistic passing of time in the movie. The movie would have been cheesy if a narrator told how long the journey lasted, what is happening, etc.

The entire reason they go to the mines, is because they pass over the mountain. You cannot take this out, because it would make no sense why the Fellowship would willfully go to Moria! You have to think before you post!

I wouldn't mind Farmer Maggot in the film, but Bombadil wouldn't work. Tom, The Old Forest, and the Barrow Downs take up about 4 chapters in the book, and would add on an extra hour to the film. Also, audiences could not understand Tom. They can't have a fantasy war epic film, then all of a sudden add in a musical dancing guy. It just doesn't make sense to non-reader audiences.

I know that there is a deleted scene with Aragorn singing one of the songs to himself while watching the sleeping hobbits in Bree. Theoden says a poem in TTT. There are a few things, but again, it wouldn't make much sense to non-reader audiences why everybody is singing all of a sudden...

Finally, Cutting out the Orc battle? Are you insane? If you cut out the Orc battle in Moria, then they would go in and out of the mines, with no problem. Gandalf would not fall, because the Balrog would not have awoken, the Fellowship would continue, and the story would be over soon enough. That is an extremely important part of the book! That is (no offense) the dumbest thing I have ever heard!

:eek:

[Sam_Gamgee]

I would nopt have taken any of the scenes out i like the movie additions but i would fo like bombadil and more of galadriel (alot of my friends thought she was mean, which is not the case at all obviously) but like that one person said i forget who Tom B would ahve probably made the audience impatient and it wasn't really improtant to the development of the story just a good idea tolkien had to give us obsessers soem thigns to ponder and imagine about. but i would definently put the scouring of the shire in the SE dvd of ROTK because i wanna see it on film so bad. but it would make other movie patrons bored most likely

[Dûndorer]

so, Nicholas Blake you think that the movie was PERFECT. i thought it was great but there are little things that have been put in, dont you think so?!?!?!?

[Nicholas Blake]

so, Nicholas Blake you think that the movie was PERFECT. i thought it was great but there are little things that have been put in, dont you think so?!?!?!?

*Sigh*

Pardon this sudden outburst, but I must say it:

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

I never said the movie was perfect, it was far from perfect! I am saying, that all of the things that you said you would have removed/added make NO SENSE, or would turn out to be a bad movie (Bombadil not neccassarily 'bad,' but not able to transmit to film well). Including Farmer Maggot is the only exception. Cutting out Cardraharas and the Orc Battle of Moria would be absurd! Think about it, those changes would hack up the story to bits, and the entire journey of the Fellowship would make no sense!

Also, there are many things I could have changed. Here are a few off the top of my head (And they are sensible changes too): Make Lothlorien more golden, added Sam into Mirror of Galadriel scene, shortened Gandalf/Saruman fight, make Isildur less heroic and put in a real battle of Elendil and Gil Galad vs. Sauron, have Glorfindel AND Arwen meet the Hobbits and Strider before they reach Rivendell.

There, would you like to argue over those changes? They are sensible, and I thought about the consequences of the changes, from either side of an arguement.

Now, are you going to reply with something that actually makes sense and/or relates to my reply?

[Thorin]

What would I put in or take out....hmmmm....Hang on as the purist of old comes out to take center stage again....:D

Taken out or changed:

1) The travesty of Arwen's character doing and saying all those idiotic things at the Fords
2) Saruman acting like Sauron's lieutenant
3) Not spent so much film on Orthanc
4) Orcs coming from pods
5) Cheesy dialogue
6) Made the trip from Shire to Bree more spread out and truer to the book
7) Given Aragorn some decent character development at Bree
8) Made the Council of Aragorn not look like the Jerry Springer show and truer to the book (See my thread on "An Alternate Screenplay/COE"
9) Done the Prancing Pony scene much better (See my old, old, thread of "An Alternate Screenplay/Prancing Pony)
10) Taken out the scene of Boromir fingering the ring on Caradhras
11) Not have edited out so much time in Lorien
12) Not have made Merry and Pippin act like such fools
13) Made the hobbits a little more afraid of the Ringwraiths then what was portrayed. "BACK YOU DEVILS!!" .:rolleyes:

Whew.....

[Sam_Gamgee]

Originally posted by Thorin
What would I put in or take out....hmmmm....Hang on as the purist of old comes out to take center stage again....:D

Taken out or changed:

1) The travesty of Arwen's character doing and saying all those idiotic things at the Fords
2) Saruman acting like Sauron's lieutenant
3) Not spent so much film on Orthanc
4) Orcs coming from pods
5) Cheesy dialogue
6) Made the trip from Shire to Bree more spread out and truer to the book
7) Given Aragorn some decent character development at Bree
8) Made the Council of Aragorn not look like the Jerry Springer show and truer to the book (See my thread on "An Alternate Screenplay/COE"
9) Done the Prancing Pony scene much better (See my old, old, thread of "An Alternate Screenplay/Prancing Pony)
10) Taken out the scene of Boromir fingering the ring on Caradhras
11) Not have edited out so much time in Lorien
12) Not have made Merry and Pippin act like such fools
13) Made the hobbits a little more afraid of the Ringwraiths then what was portrayed. "BACK YOU DEVILS!!" .:rolleyes:

Whew.....


I only agree with 11 and 13 i like the way they protrayed the movie it gives you another view point othe rthan the one you made in your own mind.

[Eomer Dinmention]

One thing i don't like is that:

They didn't show how Merry and Pippin knew about the Ring. So basicly in the Movie Merry and Pippin are going on adventure when they don't even know what there meant to do.

And i would have liked to see all of the characters sing the songs they were meant to in FOTR

[Dûndorer]

when frodo put on the ring at the end of the movie, i think they should have put in the part where he is looking around and he sees fire and smoke. then he thinks about the ars and stuff.

[tom_bombadil]

i would get rid of that arwen rubbish at thefords and i would have glordfindel. i would have tom bombadil. and i really wanted some of the songs etc> they didnt even have all that is gold does not glitter!`

[Goldberry]

I would have loved to see more of Aragorn when they met him at the inn. There was so much more that went on in dialogue between them before Frodo decided to trust him. He also reveals something of himself when he says, "...I hoped you would take to me for my own sake. A hunted man sometimes wearies of distrust and longs for friendship." I thought that line was important. I also loved what Aragorn said to Butterbur when he tried to discredit the Ranger.

I would have loved to see the Barrow-wights. Although that scene is not critical to the story, it does build on the hobbits maturing from their innocence. It also added to the mystery of Middle Earth.

But at Bree I did laugh at the line added for Pippin, "They come in pints? I'm getting one!"

[Eledhwen]

Let's face it, we're all logged into this site because we love JRRT's books, and we're not going to be happy with anything less than the whole show. What I would propose is this:

1. Drop all bits that needed to be added to compress four chapters
into one idea, etc. (especially Arwen tagging along with the
fellowship).

2. Turn FotR into three x three hour films which include every last
detail of the book - songs, poems, flashbacks, the lot.

3. Do the same to the other books.

You could keep people dangling for the next bit of the story every year for about ten years. (You might have trouble getting all the actors to stay in New Zealand!)

[Talimon]

Originally posted by Eledhwen
Let's face it, we're all logged into this site because we love JRRT's books, and we're not going to be happy with anything less than the whole show. What I would propose is this:

1. Drop all bits that needed to be added to compress four chapters
into one idea, etc. (especially Arwen tagging along with the
fellowship).

2. Turn FotR into three x three hour films which include every last
detail of the book - songs, poems, flashbacks, the lot.

3. Do the same to the other books.

You could keep people dangling for the next bit of the story every year for about ten years. (You might have trouble getting all the actors to stay in New Zealand!)

Not only would that be perhaps be the worst selling me movie in history, it would also be incredibly boring. Let me make this clear: the LotR, as it is word for word, does not make a good movie. There would be absolutely no suspense in a movie that long.

Quite frankly, the only thing I'd ask for is to make the movie 1 hour longer, making it 4 hours instead of 3. This wouldn't work in the theatres, but at least for the DVD. In fact, I think once the extended DVD edition comes out half of peoples complaints about the movie will dissappear. If you don't like what's there now then forget it, nothing will please you. But if you liked what was there and thought more of it was needed to tell the full tale, then hold on for November.

[Eledhwen]

It's a shame you couldn't see my tongue in my cheek!

[Talimon]

My bad... too used to whipping out arguments :).

[pohuist]

OK, I pretty much HATE all the changes they made. I understand that something should have been cut, otherwise the movie would have been too long, and I am not going to argue whether right or wrong things were cut -- everybody has their opinion. What I am totally ****ed with -- why did they have to change half of what they show while what actually was written in the book could have been shown in the same amount of time.

[Talimon]

PJ is more then just an editor. He's had to be creator as well, as bad as that may sound to some. It just couldn't work otherwise.

[Theoden]

I think the whole breading those nasty orc things was not needed...
Tolkien seemed to enjoy the nice things about ME... he didn't seem to think it was of great value to dwell on the grose and disgusting things about it. So that's what I would have changed.

[Theoden]

Originally posted by Talimon


Not only would that be perhaps be the worst selling me movie in history, it would also be incredibly boring. Let me make this clear: the LotR, as it is word for word, does not make a good movie. There would be absolutely no suspense in a movie that long.

Quite frankly, the only thing I'd ask for is to make the movie 1 hour longer, making it 4 hours instead of 3. This wouldn't work in the theatres, but at least for the DVD. In fact, I think once the extended DVD edition comes out half of peoples complaints about the movie will dissappear. If you don't like what's there now then forget it, nothing will please you. But if you liked what was there and thought more of it was needed to tell the full tale, then hold on for November.

Right on!