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There are quite a few pictures on this web site:
http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/info.html
Some of them need some explaining. What do you guys make of pictures #27, 31, 34, & 9? (individual links below)
27 (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto27.jpg) 31 (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto31.jpg) 34 (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto34.jpg) 9 (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto9.jpg)
Bragollach
03-10-2002, 11:14 PM
Why is there a picture of one of the strangers from Dark City in there? #31, that's totally Mister Hand. Don't get me wrong, Dark City rules, but... what's he doing there?
What are you talking about? Do you mean #32? Or do you mean that is just the same actor as 'Mr. Hand' in #31?
Bragollach
03-11-2002, 05:31 AM
Woops, I totally meant #32. My mistake.
Those are pretty cool pictures.
nobody has any comments on what we're seeing in these ones?
27 (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto27.jpg) 31 (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto31.jpg) 34 (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto34.jpg) 9 (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto9.jpg)
DGoeij
03-13-2002, 01:33 PM
#27 Theoden(sp?) looking down at something he is about to hit.
#31 an actor from anoter production that got lost.
EDIT: second thought. Maybe one of the human warriors on Sarumans side?
#34 Theoden(another sp?) overlooking hasty construction works in Helms Deep. Because those metal things behind him look like a construction site. (Or maybe it is off stage, but that would be too easy)
#9 People from Rohan (the scenery looks like Edoras of what I've seen before) are looking at somebody that is walking there. The walking person is being filmed (at least I hope that figure in front is a cameraman, because of his outfit).
Else I do not have a clue.
#27 I don't think that's Theoden.
#31 This one perplexes me most.
#34 I don't see Theoden. I'm wondering if that's possibly Eowyn on the front-most horse.
#9 That Edoras is looking like kind of a dump!
Thorin
03-13-2002, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by PRH
#34 I'm wondering if that's possibly Eowyn on the front-most horse.
I was thinking that as well....Since when is Eowyn ever on a horse revealed to all around her without her helmet on? Another one of PJ's great inventions and character alterations for all the FADs to try and justify again?
Notice the pictures of Sam coming and hugging that little child....Is this a possible epilogue at the end of the movie after the war of the ring and Frodo going over the sea?
Originally posted by Thorin
I was thinking that as well....Since when is Eowyn ever on a horse revealed to all around her without her helmet on? Another one of PJ's great inventions and character alterations for all the FADs to try and justify again?
When does Tolkien describe her smoking either for that matter. Let's just hope that she took her (Dern) helmet off between takes or something.
Originally posted by Thorin
Notice the pictures of Sam coming and hugging that little child....Is this a possible epilogue at the end of the movie after the war of the ring and Frodo going over the sea?
Lets hope so. "Well, I'm home." That's Astin's real-life daughter so I hope it wasn't just PJ throwing him a bone which won't actually end up in the film.
Thorin
03-14-2002, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by PRH
When does Tolkien describe her smoking either for that matter. Let's just hope that she took her (Dern) helmet off between takes or something.
:eek: I didn't notice that at all!! Now that I've gone back and looked at it, your interpretation has to be right.....Women who smoke are SO unattractive...Maybe PJ will make Eowyn die from lung cancer...
EverEve
03-14-2002, 01:00 AM
Im thinking number 34 is between takes considering the metal thingie in the background......
anybody got a clue to who the guy with the blue light shining on his face is? Im really bad at connecting pictures to the bool:o
Couple of others that are odd.
35 (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto35.jpg) 36 (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto36.jpg)
Q:
Originally posted by EverEve
anybody got a clue to who the guy with the blue light shining on his face is? Im really bad at connecting pictures to the book
A:
Originally posted by Bragollach
Why is there a picture of one of the strangers from Dark City in there? [#32], that's totally Mister Hand. Don't get me wrong, Dark City rules, but... what's he doing there?
If that one is out of place, maybe some of these others are too.
ANB614
03-14-2002, 04:25 AM
oops
ANB614
03-14-2002, 04:31 AM
Now I can explain number 35. You see, that metal thing is PJ's interpretation of Shelob. Rather than go by what the book says, he decided to just have them burn the statue and move along, leaving extra time for PJ to add new scenes he's written for the movie. Shortening the Shelob scene allowed room for the scene where Eowyn faces her nicotine addiction (pic 34), a game of red rover (pic 9) and special appearances by the Blue Man Group (pic 32) and Chris Kattan (pic 21). There, I explained some of the pictures. :)
ANB, I think you're on to something.
I know it's smaller and farther away, but it seems Gandalf looks cooler here (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto39.jpg) than here (http://www.numenoreen.com/Images/GandalfHelm.jpg). He really looks like a "White Rider" in the first one. It's good to see he's got a sword on his belt (Glamdring still hopefully?)
Thorin
03-14-2002, 05:19 AM
Originally posted by PRH
He really looks like a "White Rider" in the first one. It's good to see he's got a sword on his belt (Glamdring still hopefully?)
You would think that there would be no doubt as to Gandalf holding Glamdring, but with "PJ the king of detail contradiction", you don't really know what he'll stay true to anymore.
If I didn't know what Brad Dourif looked like, I would say that the blue man could be Wormtongue under different lighting...It doesn't look like Brad at all, though it could be make-up.
The only reason I pointed out the sword is because it was conspicuously absent from this (http://www.numenoreen.com/Images/GandalfHelm.jpg) picture.
DGoeij
03-15-2002, 10:04 AM
Well the white shiny robes are really in the way, so maybe that is an explanation. On the other hand, when you plunge into combat, you could have drawn your sword, in case you encounter an enemy.
Or maybe the staff was more than enough?
Personally I thought the spooky guy would be Wormtongue, but since Thorin mentioned he doesn't look like the actor involved, I'm getting confused. Did someone mingle some non-LOTR pictures in the stack?
Originally posted by DGoeij
Personally I thought the spooky guy would be Wormtongue, but since Thorin mentioned he doesn't look like the actor involved, I'm getting confused. Did someone mingle some non-LOTR pictures in the stack?
Again:
Originally posted by Bragollach
Why is there a picture of one of the strangers from Dark City in there? #31, that's totally Mister Hand. Don't get me wrong, Dark City rules, but... what's he doing there?
It certainly isn't Wormtongue
rabbit pitas
03-16-2002, 12:52 PM
No offense, but I don't understand you people. You all whine for a long time about never having a LOtR movie, or atleast a good one. And when you finally get one(three for that matter, for every book), and one that looks promising, you find everything wrong with it and then whine about that. Can't any of you appreciate any of these movies at all? Let's see your scripts for the films.
DGoeij
03-16-2002, 02:25 PM
Mister Hand, Dark City? I'm sorry, but I've never actually heard of anything like that.
I guess I missed the point of the remark because of that. Forget it anyway.:)
Kelkorian
03-16-2002, 04:27 PM
Personally I think The White Rider is sorta The Cream/Off-White Rider in those photos.
rabbit pitas, your comments have really hit home and caused me to take stock. I think if you never make another post to this board you can rest assured that you have made a difference...IF you never make another post.
Kelkorian
03-16-2002, 06:23 PM
I agree with PRH. Also, what is the internet useful for if not to flame movies? I mean, the grand purpose of the internet is to flame anonymously other people's work, isn't it? It doesn't even matter if you like or dislike the thing you're flaming.
Flame, flame, flame away fellas!
EDIT: 'Course, there could be a problem with flaming. Please refer to the movie "Jay and Silent Bob strike back" (which personally I think is kinda lame, but it has it's highlights ;) Kevin Smith RULES!).
Bragollach
03-17-2002, 10:12 AM
Dark City is a wicked good SciFi flick. It's about a group of aliens that are called 'the strangers' and are all pretty much creepy like that guy in the photo (the 'blue faced man'). That guy's named is Mister Hand. Go check it out on imdb.com That movie is when I fell in love with Jennifer Connelly. Oh, how I love her.
rabbit pitas
03-17-2002, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by PRH
rabbit pitas, your comments have really hit home and caused me to take stock. I think if you never make another post to this board you can rest assured that you have made a difference...IF you never make another post.
Hah, you guys are okay. I'm sorry, I guess I got a little carried away. Anyway, continue with your flaming, I just wanted to voice my opinion on it.
gimli_alvevenn
03-17-2002, 05:23 PM
I hope I do not seem stupid, or not updated, but I do not know what picture #32 i supose to be?
rabbit pitas,
I completely agree with you. Some of the guys on this thread (naming no names) seem happy to talk about the movie at great length as long long as they can pick at it.
PRH I fail to understand your criticism of
http://www.numenoreen.com/Images/GandalfHelm.jpg
It is clearly Gandalf on Shadowfax riding through the massed enemy. What is it about this photo that has led you to post it 3 or 4 times?
He has his staff in his hand (albeit a totally straight one). No lance. Not even a sword. And his beard looks quite long to me, merging into the white of his robes.
rabbit pitas
03-17-2002, 10:57 PM
Thanks, Ged.
Hey , I'm sorry for voicing this again, but I think there is a difference between flaming someone's work and complaining for the sake of complaining. You people are just complaining.
Originally posted by Ged
PRH I fail to understand your criticism of
http://www.numenoreen.com/Images/GandalfHelm.jpg
It is clearly Gandalf on Shadowfax riding through the massed enemy. What is it about this photo that has led you to post it 3 or 4 times?
He has his staff in his hand (albeit a totally straight one). No lance. Not even a sword. And his beard looks quite long to me, merging into the white of his robes.
I just think he looks totally lame in that picture. You're the only one so far that has defended how he looks there. The reason I keep posting it is because so many people on this board have such short memories that I have to make it absolutely clear about what I am refering to, so I just figure every time I refer to the picture I'll just post the link to it.
His robes look dumb - like some lightweight curtains. His beard looks completely short (I don't see any length to it at all). I wish he had a sword because Gandalf carries Glamdring to the end. That's why I was encouraged to see a sword in the other picture. I also thought the other picture (however blurry) was a cooler looking "Gandalf the White." I hope he predominately ends up looking like the second picture (sword visable) than the first one (in the midst of Uruk-Hai).
I think we can all safely ignore #32 (the blue guy) by now and call it a mixed-in picture. I still wonder who those guys (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto31.jpg) with the cone/KKK hats are, and what's burning (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto35.jpg) in that other picture, and what Frodo and Sam (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto36.jpg) and standing around, and what Eowyn's doing on that horse (if that is her (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto34.jpg)), and who that red-haired dude (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto27.jpg) is.
I tried a rabbit pita at lunch today. It tasted like hell.
pippin le qer
03-18-2002, 12:17 AM
Frodo and sam are playing an Ithilienian variant of table footbal, while taking a break with Faramir.
I surely hope the second part of the movie will be as thrilling as the first part cause these pictures look a lot like a rippoff from an old Conan movie and Snaketongue I've seen years ago acting as PieterdeVries in Dune. This isn't very promising.
DGoeij
03-18-2002, 02:51 PM
The biggest problem with the picutre of Gandalf IMHO is that he is in motion. Ever seen a picture of yourself in action? It easilly tends to look very lame, as is my experience.
And flaming parts of the movie is because I didn't like some parts of the movie. Other parts I really liked, and those I have hailed. After so many reads of LOTR, I tend to have an opinion about what is being done to that story. May it be a painting or may it be a film.
:)
Kelkorian
03-18-2002, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by Ged
It is clearly Gandalf on Shadowfax riding through the massed enemy. What is it about this photo that has led you to post it 3 or 4 times?
He has his staff in his hand (albeit a totally straight one). No lance. Not even a sword. And his beard looks quite long to me, merging into the white of his robes .
WHITE ROBES?? They are CLEARLY Cream/Off-White! Why do you seem to fail to understand that, O dear Ged?
The NERVE people have, sheesh!
.::.the edit was making the boldness.::.
EverEve
03-18-2002, 10:38 PM
ummmmmmm......I would have to agree. Not to be negative or anything, but the robes are definately cream/off-white.
The Off-White Rider!
Gandalf the Cream!
rabbit pitas
03-19-2002, 12:38 AM
Does it matter if his clothes are creamy white? Jesus, what do you people want?
pippin le qer
03-19-2002, 01:30 AM
nag & whimper
EverEve
03-19-2002, 02:09 AM
ummmmm..........i would just like to state that i wasnt complaining or whining, just agreeing with someone. sorry i if it seemed like whining:rolleyes:
rabbit pitas - as of my post you've made 6 postings. 4 of them are entirely to complain about other members complaints and the other 2 refer to the same. Is this trend going to continue? Just let me know if that's all you're going to contribute so I can go ahead and put you on my ignore list.
Thorin
03-19-2002, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by rabbit pitas
Does it matter if his clothes are creamy white? Jesus, what do you people want?
Ummm.....rabbit, if you care anything at all about the story, you will see that there was a big deal made about Gandalf being white....Pure white was a symbol of righteousness....Saruman the White fell from grace and mocked the color...Gandalf the Grey who remained faithful died and came back to replace Saruman as Gandalf the White as the only righteous Istari..."The White Rider!"....the warriors all shout when he comes...
It wasn't just a color choice he felt like putting on that morning...."Hmmm, I think I'll pass on the red today. Ooh, that white will go nice with Shadowfax! No, let's make it off-white instead."
Read your book again and catch the symbolism that Tolkien put in...PJ changing that to off white negates that whole concept that Tolkien intended to bring out.
Kelkorian
03-19-2002, 08:59 AM
I agree with Thorin, rabbit pitas.
See, it's those little details that make the story so great. The white symbolizes the highest degree of purity in Tolkien's work. If it hadn't, Saruman wouldn't change into Mr. Colorful! Every little detail PJ misses in his movies equals cutting off sevral pages of the book (and in his case, adding some very irrelevant pages).
Hope you come to your senses sooner or later, pita.
Aw, jeez, I just noticed I said almost exactly what Thorin said. Oh well, just to strengthen our point, rabbit.
DGoeij
03-19-2002, 07:42 PM
Nagging and whimpering about nagging and whimpering and now I'm nagging and whimpering about that.:rolleyes:
pippin le qer
03-19-2002, 10:16 PM
Da's nou un goeie
Greenwood
03-20-2002, 06:22 AM
I am thinking of starting a fund to purchase a ten year supply of Miracle White liquid detergent for Gandalf so that his robes can be "Whiter than white!" Anyone care to make a pledge? :)
In the event that the fund is oversubscribed the excess money will be used to purchase a two year supply of Valium for some members of the Forum to help them get through the next two films in the next two years. :D
Sign me up! (for the valium that is)
Re the colour of Gandalf's robes:
Many of the pictures posted in these threads are shots from "the side of the stage", so to speak. That is, they were taken by people with a camera watching the actual filming. You guys really have absolutely NO IDEA AT ALL how Gandalf's robes will appear in the final version. For you to be whining about this already really is quite sad IMHO.
DGoeij
03-20-2002, 12:44 PM
So, in a less whining way you try to say that it is possible that the colour of the robes will be edited for the cinema release? ;)
Is that possible/the usual way of doing that? I mean, if its possible to turn Gandalf outfit into the shiny white it ought to be, I understand why the used a less easilly stainable white for the shooting. But I'm lacking the knowledge to know if that can be done and if it is standard policy when making a movie.
Kelkorian
03-20-2002, 01:37 PM
That picture sure did look like it was taken from the camera's PoV, not from some amateur photographer's PoV. Also, why would the camera show a different color than the camera?
How can you know they were shot from "the side of the stage"? Were you there? Was your best buddy there? Was your dog there? Was a dude from your work there? I don't think so.
So, it's YOU (Ged) who has absolutely NO IDEA AT ALL how Gandalf's robes will appear, because as far as I can see, it seems like those are actual stills from the main camera's PoV. I think most people would agree to that.
Some of these look like they came off the main camera and some look like spy-type photos. However - the one where Gandalf looks white is a spy-photo and the one where he looks off-white is right off the camera.
To be fair, the Nazgul's horses were brown in reality and they made them black in post. (why? - I don't know. Maybe filming them as brown caught more detail. Or maybe it was too hard to round up 9 black horses.)
I have a feeling they will be giving Gandalf an aura of some sort in post-production(at least when he's in action). I will withhold final judgement on this until we see the final product but if he turns out to be Gandalf the Cream, I will be quite disappointed in that choice.
PRH,
Well, I agree that Gandalf the Cream would be a disappointment!
All I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't criticise TTT even before it has come out. For one thing PJ isn't STUPID, and for another shots taken during filming may not reflect what will eventually be seen.
DGoeij,
With respect, anybody who gets involved in filming or even still photography knows that colours vary greatly. Two different cameras can look at the same scene and produce remarkably different results. I'm not disputing the apparent colour of the robes in the (internet) shots PRH gave us. What I am saying is that this may not relate accurately to what we will eventually see in the released film.
Well, in 9 days we'll have a much better idea about Gandalf the White/Cream. If you'll recall that description of the trailer posted on AICN (discussed in this thread (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2571)) they say Gandalf the White is in it.
Thorin
03-21-2002, 01:33 AM
Originally posted by Ged
PRH,
Well, I agree that Gandalf the Cream would be a disappointment!
All I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't criticise TTT even before it has come out. For one thing PJ isn't STUPID, and for another shots taken during filming may not reflect what will eventually be seen.
Oh, really? Are you telling me that:
1) Having Arwen knee deep in the hoopla,
2) Narsil not even being reforged,
3 Aragorn not even really identifying who he was at Bree,
4) Making the black horses brown,
5) Making M&P little, thieving, buffoons,
6) Turning the Council of Elrond into the Jerry Springer show,
7) Having such cheesy dialogue like "Nobody throws a dwarf", "I'll die before I see the ring on an Elf's finger" and "Let's go hunt some orc"..
were not a few of the stupid things PJ did?
Or in the upcoming movies:
1) Having Arwen bring Anduril to Aragorn
2) Having Arwen fight at Helm's Deep
3) Having Elves fighting at Helm's Deep
4) Having Saruman impaled on a wheel
These changes coming up don't seem stupid to you??
What makes you think that changing the shade of white on Gandalf is going to make him lose any sleep?
ANB614
03-21-2002, 02:38 AM
I guess humor is no way to make friends here...
To those who have problems with "complaining"... Do you not notice how most of the "complaints" are light-hearted and not as bad as you are making them out to be. My entire post earlier was a joke. I really had no problem with the movie, I loved it. I just like being funny.
I highly appreciated your earlier post ANB614. Please make more like them in the future.
DGoeij
03-21-2002, 10:03 AM
Agree, obvious mishaps which the average booklover would see in a minute, what's wrong with complaining about that? I mean, if you turn this masterpiece in a movie, knowing there are thousands of fans allready, most of them very deep into the story, one could try to put some effort in getting details right.
Ged, no hard feelings. We seem to agree that the current picture shows a Gandalf in cream out-fit. We both understand that it is all but certain that this will look the same in the actual movie. If it will be changed/shown in shiny white, no one will hear from me about that. I'm just trying to express how I care for this story, and at the same time wish (to myself at first) to keep it a little lighthearted.:)
rabbit pitas
03-21-2002, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by PRH
rabbit pitas - as of my post you've made 6 postings. 4 of them are entirely to complain about other members complaints and the other 2 refer to the same. Is this trend going to continue? Just let me know if that's all you're going to contribute so I can go ahead and put you on my ignore list.
Alright, I'm, sorry, I'll stop.
Thorin, I see what you mean, and I'll agree that you are right. But I didn't mean that for the actual production. These are just movie stills, and as long as they change it for TTT, I don't have a problem with him wearing a cream robe.
I did understand the symbolism. I just thought that this wasn't a direct shot from the film reel, just something shot off from the side.
Originally posted by rabbit pitas
These are just movie stills, and as long as they change it for TTT, I don't have a problem with him wearing a cream robe.
agreed.
rabbit pitas
03-22-2002, 12:17 AM
Okay, I'm glad we're all set now.
Did anyone enjoy the last few seconds on FOTR?
I think it fit perfectly. Frodo and Sam looking over the bleak and hopepless Emyn Muil, with the camera showing everything that me must go through to fulfill the quest. I also though the music playing went along perfectly, too.
I will admit that I'm a bit dissapointed with the way TTT will end. Imagine the events that would take place before it. Sam raising Sting above his head and charging towards Shelob to avenge what he beleives is his fallen friends. And then it ends with the orcs dragging Frodo into Cirith Ungol and Sam alone outside, realizing Frodo lives but currently helpess to save him.
Damn that would've been sweet.
Crumpled Stars
03-22-2002, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by PRH
and what Frodo and Sam (http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/foto36.jpg) and standing around
I'm 99% positive that's a scene from Rivendell that didn't make the final cut in FOTR.
There's a bunch more new ones up there.
http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/info.html
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