Senate of the Mornclaur Federation

[Dengen-Goroth]

The sun was setting nigh in the West, falling into the extended fingers of the Mountains of Ash. Now there were no clouds blocking their beauty, now they were capped with snow, glinting a dull orange from the departing waves of the sun. The city of Osclaur rung with hammers and chisels as it was being put to construction, for even now much was not done in it, and great craftsman from all of Middle Earth found themselves at work in the glorious streets. At that moment there rung a note on uncountable horns, the great tone and blast sounding through the mountains for many fathoms. At that very moment great banners were unfurled and the march of armed feet was prevalent. Their ranks were of the elite guard of Osclaur, men in suits of armor. They marched now to one local, all uniting on a great avenue. The posts on either side flared proudly the banner of the Mornclaur Federation. Now they moved towards a great citadel. It was perched on the highest ground, save the Imperial Palace, in Osclaur that was in the Mountains of Ash. There was a central citadel of great proportions, and about it in a great circle were ten towers, all now proudly flying one flag, one for each of the provinces of Mornclaur. The Central Citadel held but one flag, that of the Mornclaur Federation. This was known as the Beraid-Rhûn, Towers of the East. The Great Entrance was in a classic Eastern Style, and so held more columns of square, not circular, form. Now entered the great leaders of Middle Earth. It was indeed a great sight to behold, the guards from different nations all entering in awe of the glorious event and city. The great avenue before the structure broadened and formed a plaza, in the center a massive pillar known as Tarmabal, the Pillar of Power. This was the center of the Mornclaur state, and it was peaked with a statue that now shone in the last rays of day. Already many had dignitaries and leaders had entered and were proceeding towards two doors. These would open to the Laurëmard, the Golden Hall. It was the center of the Tellumarôm. At nightfall the doors were opened, and another blare of trumpets was heard, but they were soothing to the ear, and many sighed with enjoyment at hearing them. The hall was indeed great, with an arching roof and sloping walls. It was much in a “modern” formats, and not like the senates of nations to the west. Indeed this was quite unique within itself. The seats were of a mahogany color and had dark red leather padding. Soon the many captains of Mornclaur were filing in, and taking seats towards the back. Their black, red, and gray armors glinted in the light of the torches. Yet these were implemented within the roof itself, and were covered by glass, so the light was dulled a bit, and no torch or massive cauldron of flame could be seen nor heard, simply a continuous roof with glass plating now and then which shone. The room was as a semicircle, with one half being flat. This was the area in the hall where the wall was straight and reached highest upward. The roof sloped downwards from that point to the opening doors. That wall was joined by a great stage, which spanned from one corner to the other and was elevated above the chairs. The great crest of Mornclaur was also upon that wall. One either corner was a door. As the lower ranks settled another great blare was heard, last before the speech would be brought forth. In at last came the great heads of state, first of which was Telchar, Dark Lord and Leader of the Zirak Khazad Empire. He entered in great glory then, robed in garbs of sheer majesty flanked by his Dwarven Captains and Councils. Next arrived Lord Ciryaher and Empress Kementari side by side, leaders of the lands of Arnor. Ciryaher entered wearing Armor emblazoned with the crest of Arnor a cape behind. Empress Kementari wore as well a glorious dress with great a jewel. Then came Lord Beorn of Gondor and afterwards King Eomer of Rohan. Both were clad well, and bestowed an air of might unto all that beheld them. Lord Ellesar was there was well, in brilliant and glimmering mail. As was Nain of the Khazum Kingdom. As each entered they were met with applause from the assembly that was great as the roar of the seas. All wore marvelous attire, some wearing garbs resembling togas, to armor plates embellished with great scenes. Gems and hilts of swords shone neath the light from above. Indeed they came with their most prestigious captains and councils. When at last all were seated and most comfortable, for the seats were incredibly welcoming, a silence fell over the hall. The leaders of Middle Earth and their entourage were seated in the front rows. A deep drum role ensued and the two doors to either side of the front wall were opened by guards in the Armor of the Senate, blue with silver. Out came the Governors and Councils of the Mornclaur Federation. Amongst the many the Gonnilclaur and his aids. Then came the last two; from one door was the Governess Talieren, tailored in a great Green dress, all in awe of her beauty. From the other door strode the High Council of the Mornclaur Federation, and indeed did he seem to appear as of the greatest Lords of the First Age. A black cape fluttering behind him with great platinum armor he left the door, for each that would exit paused as they were announced. He was the last to exit and then the doors were shut. These all took seats as well, and the great hall was filled with guests of honor. A few coughs and the sound of leather creaking neath movement were heard, with some brief conversation betwixt councils. Then after an elapsed time of some five minutes the two doors from which all others had come opened again, now by ten guards in Gold a trumpet in each hand. They split five to each door and held up the trumpets in one hand and a salute they made with the right hand. They then blew some notes that resounded and then all went to their feet. In came at last the Dark Lord of the Mornclaur Federation, Dengen-Goroth. The applause was immense, and indeed was it ever said from then that the very foundations of the earth heard the uproar. He came greeting some with a nod of his head, and others with a shake. The guards went behind him. He wore a toga of white streaked with red and black to symbolize the colors of Mornclaur, Dagraharnol, his blade, was at his side sheathed. On his head was Crithabanga, his great crown. Finally he approached and then went upon the stage. Then he came to the podium neath the crest of Mornclaur and motioned for silence, which took some time to come. Yet soon all were seated and he began.
“Hail friends from abroad, and near at home!” Applause again was heard. “I come before you all to state the Current Statues and future initiatives of the Mornclaur Federation, as well as to institute the Discussion which will be the great part of the Senate.” Applause anew at this pause. “We find ourselves now in what appears to be the waning of the Fourth Age, and we ask ourselves what have we done. In the First Age there was the struggle betwixt the Powers of which less then a handful, as the term goes, saw. Then in Second Age was there the Epic of Numenor, and her fall, and the Third the plight of the Ringbearer and the Kingdoms in Exile. Yet what was in the Fourth age to be sung of? Well my friends I am not here to speak as in lecture of bygone eras, but to state the present and future. And the Present makes it well seen that the Fourth Age was not in vain! We have beheld before our eyes the beautification of much which was ruined, the great peace of which many has wished yet could not achieve, and also great bloodshed in many wars. Mordor has been taken from a land of Dread to a land of Glory. The People of the East, long adrift from their brethren in the West now speak with them in peace, and are educated and no longer barbaric or crude. The Plains of the Brown Lands, once broken jagged lands, now bloom with great dells and fens. As is the case in Ithilien, and the lost city of Minas Ithil is again made.” Applause rippled through the crowd and Talierin smiled as Dengen acknowledged her works. “The borders of Mornclaur are held by great towers of powerful workmanship, guarded by some of the best equipped and trained forces in Arda! Great Roads and Aqueducts dot the lands, and we have emerged upon a new zenith of strength. We may have lost for eternity the beauty of Numenor and Beleriand, but we have not lost the beauty of this Middle Earth, and she in herself may be better as the two of those!”

[Dengen-Goroth]

“Yet now even as we encroach upon this zenith we must also discover that not all is well. And so was the purpose of the great armies made for Mornclaur, for I come before you all now to declare another bit of word. Indeed, as many of you have espied, guessed, or believed I must and feel it of the utmost to declare war!” A deep gasp seemed to fill the hall, even from the high commanders of Mornclaur. “Indeed it may seem to you to be rash, if not in all the work of ludicrous proportions. Yet it has come to this, if no other path can be found, for it has not been and has been attempted to be bridged by many an attempt. Though now I say that any more of such attempts would have been at the most in vain. So I shall deliberate no longer, and assure all assembled here that it is of reason, and not of simple folly or lust.” More silence ensued as Dengen paused, and a look of starch terror, anger, or shock was displayed on most all faces within the hall at that very moment. Dengen spoke again. “Now I shall declare the enemy, roads! We here in Middle Earth find transportation, communication, and simple travel in itself poised on the brink of utter mayhem because the roads built by the men of Numenor are now in decay, some gone, covered by lush wildlife. Yet I ask now of the aid of all leaders here to construct one major avenues of trade, branching of into lesser roads, so as to make these lands in our hands glorious to behold. Indeed in the passing of my reign Ostoalcarin, known to others as Dunwain was damaged by the rise of the Blue Wizards. It was a centerpiece of the progress of the East in building a new utopia in the grasp of all and not bent away from us by the seas. We must all unite, and as seen already, construct and plant, harvest to least effect, so as to create a Numenor, a Gondolin, a Valinor!” More applause now of a relieved sort after many felt great disbelief at the prior wording. “We of Middle Earth possess our future in our hands, and I urge us to act as one body, as one land, to rebuild and nurture this new zenith to full fruition. Benighted we shall no longer stand in the pits of the Dark Years. And now I say thus as well, the seas are great and not at all have any successfully mapped them. Many a land remains unknown, islands of size great. Hence why the fleets of Mornclaur have been outfitted and prepared, to sail and explore the last unknowns. And yet as we move to the seas, and over tracks laden through toil we must also not forget our neighbors, of whom much of our lives are aided or abated. The Mornclaur Federation recognizes this, and thus has been forged, neath the great Smithies of Rhûn a line of great blades wrought of the same glorious gems as seen now only in memory, the gems of Ered Lithiu which adorn my crown. These give the sword an Inner Light ever to shine through grim moments and indeed blaze as the unity and kinship between the two lands of which it is a token to stand.” A guard at the feet of the Podium, which was circular, stood and brought before all a great sheath embroidered in on one side Dwarven Runes and on the Other the script of the Tengwar. The hilt was of fine metal, silver to the eye yet when light hit it was gold. Then the blade was drawn and it was glorious. It shone a gold white color, and if it were put in light of day it would glint dark blue or red. Flawless were the edges, and when drawn it made a most interesting noise as of a clear waterfall in Valinor. Many smiled and looked on in awe. “I present this now to Lord Telchar of the Zirak Khazad Empire, and pledge the undying oath of union of my people to him as long as we should stand, for a unity of great might and valor!” Telchar stood and accepted, saying akin words yet directed towards Mornclaur from his won lands. “Now let us look to the future, for accomplishments of the present and the past have been seen. We must in the least stay the felling in the Forests of Rhûn, and also we must make the lands of the South a sight beckoning much respect. And Southern Mirkwood must be ever known as a land with might indeed. Trade routes must be established with some of the remote clans of the east, and lastly must be the construction of a regional capitol for each of the provinces of Mornclaur. Plans which, my friends, we may accomplish with a flicker of an arm, for we are of the children of Eru! Naught is held back before us least something we bring as a barrier. Now let us go forth, calm of mind and resolute, so as to build a great future for all that live in the future, as their lives are in our own hands!” Dengen smiled as he was met with another great row of applause and so he stepped from the podium and exited through the right door amidst great tumult of cheer. Yet this was all but an introduction to the great discussion, as he had said, which would take place in the chamber on the opposite side of the hall. There would be the great talk of what would occur in the Federation and in Middle Earth.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Elessar Comes in with a general crowd, having not been recognized, and instead of sitting down in a chair he goes and stands silently in a corner... When the speech is over with Elessar sighs, he laughes a small laugh. He pulls the weight of his golden Arandorian armour from the walls and picks up his staff. He begins to make his way to the exit of the hall.

[Ciryaher]

Ciryaher rises from his seat and clears his throat.

"Indeed, I praise the Lord Dengen--my friend and Ally--for his concise words..." Ciryaher paused and glanced around the room slowly, "But there are more problems in Middle-Earth than simply transportation. Arnor's road system was completed and rebuilt some months ago, but there is another thought that taxes my mind."

The Emperor of Arnor slowly paced, his hands behind his back. "Many lands which once stood leaderless hath now been claimed, but these states (with their relatively inexperienced governments) I deem unstable. Sure, they pledge alliegances to those they wish, but can they be trusted with the rulership of vast lands? Is there no bar to deem them worthy of power?"

Ciryaher glances at a figure exiting. "And who is this that enters the mighty Dengen-Goroth's halls uninvited?"

[Snaga]

Snaga with a slight movement of his hand signals the guards to detain the departing figure discreetly, until he can be questioned.

Elessar finds himself being ushered away, firmly but politely, to a secure antechamber where his identity and intentions can be determined.

The deliberations of the Senate continue undisturbed.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Elessar turns to see the guards. He raises his voice.
"I am sorry to come late, my lord Dengen, but I came as a counsul to the lord Eomer, I arrived late and will have to leave early, but these things cannot be helped. And if you dont mind, these guards should let me go, or I shall unleash hell reborn upon this room.

[Ciryaher]

Ciryaher heard the familiar voice and shouted back, "You won't dare do any such thing you insolent sack of refuse. Get thee gone from this congregation and do not bring your worthlessness back."

[Dengen-Goroth]

Dengen rubbs his eyes weerily.
"We need no conflict here! It is to be a place of serious discussion."

[Snaga]

One of the guards politely says 'Perhaps you will be good enough to come with me. I will ensure you are properly accredited in no time, and you will be seated in high honour, if everything is in order. Come Lord, we do not wish to create an incident!'

Snaga's men are well trained.

[Ciryaher]

"My apologies for that outburst, Lord Goroth," Ciryaher says bowing. He returns to his seat.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Elessar called, a clear, almost elven voice, over the commotion in the room.
"Speak not, Angolambe! You stick your scarred nose where it is not wanted and does not belong"

[Kementari]

Kem is usually quiet but in rage she stands up and says "For Eru's sake Elessar you wern't invited in the first place. Now shut your face."

[Telchar]

Telchar rises slowly.
"As Lord Ciryaher, I prais the Lord Dengen, my friend, an exelent speach", he pauses and looks at Ciryaher, "those who are worthy will stand out from the crowd, even as a child they will be easy to spot."
"I have seen men corrupted by the mere thought of power, so, beeing wothy may not mean that you can handel the power of rulership."

[Snaga]

Immediately the guards close in. Gently but with strength beyond hope of resistance they lift Elessar off his feet and rush him the few yards out of the hall. The vast doors swing shut silently behind them, closed with a spell of such vast effectiveness that no hope of entry remained to Elessar. Gently again, the guards put him down.

One knelt before him saying: 'My lord, on behalf of the diplomatic guard of Mornclaur we apologise for the necessity this action. Pray, can we offer you some refreshments or anything else you may need, before you depart?'

A golden carriage of great dignity draws up outside ready to speed him on his way.

[Snaga]

ooc - a ludicrous post, worthy of deletion by Cir's hand of moderation! ***Cir nods and complies***

Snaga discreetly apologises to Lord Dengen-Goroth for the guards failure to prevent his entry, although he makes a mental note to honor those affecting the arrest.

Refreshments are served, a refreshing cordial recalling at once the finest Dorwinion wines and the miruvor of Rivendell.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

ooc: that's the way it will be then? you can all quite go to hell! I have never submited to guards and dont intend to now. I will just have to...adapt to your strange rules

IC:
Elessar walks, completely disgruntled, around the outside of the building. He finds what he is looking for, the entrance to the servants quarters. He takes off his bulky armour and places it in a room in the inn he has selected for the night (while there he says hello to Arathin, who chose to stay at the inn). He walks back to the place, dressed in plain cloths, and tries not to be noticed in the buisy servents room. He waits for an opening, and finnaly finds one. He moves in haste up a quick stair, which leads to the upper portions of the room. He pulls a strangely coloured stone from around his neck and whispers to himself (I knew this would come in handy) He removes a piece of a yet to be finished stainglass from the top of the room, and sits there, listening to the counsil below. He looks behind him, out to the mountains, just as the sun sinks behind the peaks. The room below is lit with many fires and such. Elessar jumps down to a ledge, still many stories above the floor below. He raises the stone and whispers a few words. The stone becomes as black as endless night, and looks as though it is a gaping hole in the very fabric of the world. Then a pop is heard, and all light from the room vanished, even though the fires still burn and give heat. The room goes quiet. The only light there now are two glowing orbs in the upper parts of the room, many look in their direction. Elessar's eyes glow with fierce triumph. His voice had not yet finished its stay in the room.
"Lord Goroth, I am sorry, but I had forgoten one thing I had meant to say." Ciryaher moans as he recognizes the voice. "Orc Slave, wherever you be, you will know that I was invited, and had a seat which now stands empty! Lord Ciryaher, Dengen should had known better than to bring us together, for we are fire and water! And lord Dengen, please allow for common curtosies for all of your guests next time, and please, put some security in the Kitchen, it is frantic in there.
I are tulya
Elessar turns and dives out of the building, and into a fountain in the streets below.

[Ciryaher]

Ciryaher raises an eyebrow at the light show. "Are you quite finished, young man?" he turns to Lord Goroth, "Do you see what I convey in my messages, friend?"

The Emperor folds his arms and sits. Refusing to respond to the childish games of Elessar.

[Talierin]

After the outburst, Talierin rose to her feet and spoke in her husky voice, soft, yet loud enough to carry well. "If I may speak, my lord," she paused until receiving Lord Dengen's nod. "Please, let us continue and do not let that foul dwimmerlaik to ruin this glorious council," she glanced at Lord Ciryaher, who she could tell was furious. "I wish to offer my magical services to any here who wish it. As some of you may know, I do not use my powers except at times of greatest need. And since it has been such a long time since one of those times has come up, I have power in plenty to use, perhaps even enough to cover all of Middle-earth in trees. So if you have empty and barren lands that need my touch, feel free to ask while I am being generous with my power."
"On another note, I have traveled far in my day, and in the far, far east once, I had a chance to visit a grand library there. All people were free to use it, and many of the inhabitants of the city were wise and knowledgable from that priviledge. I feel that this would be a great asset to our people, therefore I propose that we divide all inhabited land up into squares 10 leagues by 10 leagues, and build at least one public library in every one."
"One last proposal, and I will be done. On the roof of this eastern library was a object I had never seen the likes of before. It was like one of our sundials, but different. They had built a stream of water, swiftly moving around its set circular track. At one point in this track, it flowed through this machine which was about 6 feet high, turning the machine's gears, which in turn moved weights and pointers attached to a circular piece of metal, painted with the numbers of the hours and dots for minutes around the edges. It was called a clock, and it kept time far better than any sundial. Seeing the value of this machine, I asked if I may have instructions on how to construct one, which the people gave to me, delighted to spread knowledge. It has taken me until now to build a good model, which I would like to show to you." Talierin beckons to her servant to bring forth a large box, which she opens and carefully lifts out a minature model of the clock. Another servant brings a pitcher of water, pouring the water into the water track. Almost immediatly the little gears began to move, and everyone watched the clock face intently to see if the pointers moved. After a little while, the longer pointer moved slowly to the minute dot to the right of it. A gasp of pleasure came from the watchers.
"As you can see, it's quite ingenius. I would like to build one of these in each capital or major city in Middle-earth, with everyone's permission, of course. I will be building one in Minas Ithil soon, and if you wish, when it's done, you may come and see just how well it works, and then make a decision whether to build one or not in your cities." Inclining her head to Lord Dengen, she sat down to listen to the reaction her words brought.

[Ciryaher]

Ciryaher's dark mood faded as Talierin revealed the machination she had brought. He watched the tiny parts moving and looked in wonder. "The great Temple MUST have one of these! Could you design a larger version of this when the Temple is nearer to completion?"

He snapped his attention and stood, "And what of the libraries? Should we perhaps ordain some group to accomplish the task of copying the many tomes throughout Arda?"

[Eomer Dinmention]

*Eomer walks in after Beorn.
He takes a seat at the end.
"Wow Dengen nice place you have here."

*Eomer stands up. " Lord Dengen, I as a Silver Wizard have powers over, well silver. But my powers is not as great as what Tal has now. But my wizards will be glad to help you if you need it."

[Snaga]

Next to speak was Gonniclaur, Commander of the armies of the Mornclaur Federation.

Not tall, but broad and arrayed in shining black mail, with a helm of silver covering his face. A long scarlet cloak hung to the floor behind him.

He spoke, his voice strong, even harsh yet eloquent.

'Lords and ladies gathered here. I wish to address you on the question of peace and the relations between our great nations.

'Many days have passed since the War of the Ring, but not so many that its lessons should not be recalled. In those days there were but two powers in the world: two armed camps of the East and of the West. Each camp had many lords and kings, but all were allied to one side or the other. They stood in opposition, and whenever there was peace it was merely a prelude to war. And for the most time there was war.

'Today we have three great powers: of Atannore, of Zirak Khazad and of the Mornclaur Federation. To be sure there are other proud nations and people, yet these three are the greatest forces in the world. But I say to you that the destiny before us is that between these three might be made a world of order and stability, wherein all that we seek to bring to pass may be accomplished, without warfare. For does not a stool need three legs, and falls over if there are just two? I forsee a great alliance: an eternal triangle of prosperity and order.

'For it comes to my mind that some have mistaken the great new defense of Mornclaur as a threat to their peace. I say to now that this is not so: we merely seek to guard ourselves. Yet if all nations strive to match them, and to build armies of great strength surely this is not wise? For the resources of the small kingdoms cannot match those of the great empires of the world, and in trying so to do they will bring but hardship on their peoples. The other way is for the strong to take care of the weak, and with such protection the smaller nations will flourish! For what resources no longer go merely to building armies and battlements will surely draw forth great accomplishment in sciences and the arts.

'Should this come to pass, then we shall indeed see a world well-ordered and great. And in those times no fear shall be had of the perils of new countries, their leaders not well-used to steering the ship of State. For such a triangle of hope would stay true, and not easily would the o'erturned by the misfortunes of the years.'

[ooc - editted to reflect that although I am ill-informed, high ranking officers of the military would not be!!:D Hope noone minds! Cir thanks for your post following this one... correction made:o ]

[Ciryaher]

"Lord Gonniclaur," said Ciryaher, "I must correct your error. Arnor and Gondor are now one: Atannore."

[Mithrandir]

Mithrandir steps out from behinfd the seat of Rohan and stands next to Talierin,"Phenomonal my dear. In all my days on Middle Earth I have never come across anyone so intelligent as you. Those who have looked over this beautiful machine are indeed missing something." He then lifts his eyes to the council his eyes shining bright and his cloak flying in the wind," Much has been said here today my friends. As some of you may know I came to Middle Earth at the begining of the fourth age in order to guide the actions of men. You have accomplished much and I am very proud, but there is something that is holding all of you back. I have kept silent for a long time and even joined sides on the wars to do with it, a mistake I should have never made." Mithrandir begins to glow and then two giant visions appear in the air. The images, to everyone's suprise are Ciryaher and Elessar. "My friends these two men are your downfall"

The crowd let's out a gasp and Ciryaher stands up in anger" No my friend quite, I mean no offence to you or Elessar. Both these individuals are my friends and I have guided both of them and loved them both as friends. But the constant fighting between the two must come to an end. The constant bickering of these two men have caused more wars in this age then anything that this age has brought forth. No matter what happens these two must come to a peace. Whatever happens I will take responsibility for but something must be done."

"One more thing before I let others speak. For a long time I have pledged my allegiance to Rohan and I still do, except under one circumstance. Talierin and I have found love in one another and wherever she goes I to shall go. I wish for no big celebration or ceremony for this, just let it be known. Wherever she goes I believe I shall go there as well."

"Now I have spoken to much. I beg others tto please remark on my coments.".......

[Ciryaher]

Ciryaher boiled over. "I shall make NO peace with that fool under ANY circumstances," he raised a finger and grinned sinisterly, "Mark my words: I am not the only one who has Elessar in my sights. I will never stoop so low as to think he is capable of being a civilized being, and I will no longer attempt to extend any semblance of friendship."

[Mithrandir]

"Well than what is the world to do. Constantly follow you and him into more and more bloodshed? Constantly lose friends and allies over your petty differences. It is time you both start thinking about the people of Middle Earth, and the effect you both have on it. You are both superpowers and everything you do affects the world. Put this into consideration......

[Ciryaher]

"He is no superpower. Atannore is a superpower. Mornclaur is a superpower. Zirak Khazad is a superpower. Elessar is aught but a terrorist, striking when he may and getting away with it all too often."

[Dengen-Goroth]

Dengen stands after a bit of rest from the speech.
"I am most astonished at this constrution of yours Talierin, and most pleased. The East is a land of intelligence and beauty! I agree with the library initiative as well."

[¤-Elessar-¤]

* I am sorry for the intrusion, but I will not be unallowed to defend myself, especially not in the land of a friend

*A messenger runs in, trying to avoid the eyes that look to the intrudor, he runs up to the lord Dengen and places in his hand a request from lord Elessar to be allowed intrance and his seat at the great table.

[Talierin]

"Then let it be done, as soon as possible, my lords! I will need the help of many scribes to begin copying all of the great works that reside in our current libraries. As for the clocks, I have already made up detailed instructions for you to build yours at will." Talierin beckons a third servant, who goes around the table handing out large, tightly rolled scrolls for those who wish them. "For as complicated as they appear, they are really quite simple to make. Of course, this one here took me longer than a large one would have, for procuring gears of such size is not easy. And lastly, Mithrandir here has long known that my heart lies in Gondor, as well as with him. Where Gondor's loyalties lie, so shall my own."

[Mithrandir]

"Elessar and Ciryaher I care not what your hate for each other is from. I have heard the same arguments from both of you many times over and personally I find you both at fault in different areas. I am asking, no begging, you both to realize what your bickering is doing to Middle Earth. Do you not see that you will both destroy the world with the way you are going. It is utter foolishness.

Lords of Gondor it seems now that I have a new responsibility to you, I am at your service......

[Cygnus]

Once again, as in many other councils, The High Council of Mornclaur speaks not. A great deal of other affairs cloud his thoughts and his concentration is amiss.

[Arathin]

((In Elessar's letter, Arathin requests to come in with him as well.))

[Dengen-Goroth]

Dengen grasp the letter and reads it in haste. Rolling it anew he spoke.
"Lords assembled here. We have just witnessed a bit of a disruption of the senate, and that is not to my liking. Even as I have most specifically stated before that there was to be no violence or interruptons of any kind save if in the gravest of dangers, there were. Elessar has inquired if he may return, even after himself stating that it would be deadly to mix in one room Lord Ciryaher and himself. This has already proven itself. Now here I shall speak. Arathin may enter, yet for now Elessar may not to prevent any more conflicts and hinder the Senate's Progress. This conflict has become deeply intertwined with the policies of Middle Earth, and should not do so. Now, let us discuss what of the foriegn Island Lands in the Great Sea. What is to be done with these, most of which lie still unknown to us."

[¤-Elessar-¤]

ooc: this is an outrage, if I will not be allowed to defend myself do not expect anything in this council to hold to me, none of it.

[Ciryaher]

"Lord Goroth," the Emperor said slowly and quietly, "I was being quite childish before. If Sir Elessar (I am not sure of his title) wishes to speak here, I will raise no outcry and will listen with an open mind. Let him come to speak his piece."

[Dengen-Goroth]

Dengen stands and strides to a gaurd.
"Inform Lord Elessar he may enter." Then He trned bac to the congragated group.
"Now let me be most prudent, I wish for no more conflicts in my halls. Also, there are governor positions within my Federation which remain empty, and any who wish t fill these seas should PM me. Now there is also another issue I wish to discuss with you all." Dengen returns to his seat. All were in a circular chamber and seated before a circular table. Night wrapped her arms about the city beyond their walls, yet withn it was quite warm and not at all dark.
"It appears to me as though we now find ourselves in a point of time were peace is most prevalent. Yet there are always those who wish to bring about anarchy to the lands, against the most fervent attempts of their Emperors and Kings. How do we plan to deal with rebel groups, if they arise, and perchance trade goods should be set up as well so as to bring more life to a very calm trading system."

[Eomer Dinmention]

Yes I agree with Cir.
"Lord Dengen, let Ellesar speak. But if there is an arguement between Cir and Ellesar then i would advise you to remove on of them"

[Snaga]

Lord Gonnilclaur rose again:

To speak to your earlier question Lord Goroth: the lands in the Great Seas. I think this is a point we must consider well.

I see two choices ahead of us: either each nation will, as best it can, send its fleets and its vessels on great perilous journeys to find these new lands. In this case each will make its claims, and yet not sharing any maps who will say which claim is right and which is not? How shall boundaries be made? In time this path might lead only to conflict, and perhaps war.

In this much we might rue the sinking of Numenor, for it is told that the maps of the mariners of Numenor showed many lands that we no longer know.

The other choice is to begin a great journey in concert: where the great of each nation take to the seas together to find these new lands and discover their secrets together. Such a journey (ooc or an RPG?:D) might take many months to complete, but on completing it, would it not be that we, the great of Middle Earth, would find an insight unparalleled in millenia? Such a journey though I deem, should only be undertaken by those most worthy of the task, by appointment of this Senate, and mayhap of all the leaders of the known world. And tirelessness in the journey would be but part of this: but of greater import is the eloquence to record all that befell them in words that would be of benefit to the Wise. To chart the lands, and to bring word of the peoples and the beasts of those lands. And perhaps to bring back such treasures as are to be had?

Let it be said also, that in such a voyage perhaps lies the danger and chance that those who might undermine our peaceful repose crave. For is it not natural that as we peoples of the Middle Earth grow in stature, that perhaps it also seems to lack the heroism of old? For in such an undertaking, I percieve much danger lies.

Did I speak of two choices? Perhaps there is a third. To do nothing and dream only of small things known already, and to squabble about what we have today, or once had. Perhaps this is the greatest danger of all: to confine ourselves to our small corner of the world, and diminuish through a lack of ambition.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Elessar had come in quietly, he and Arathin, arm in arm. Neither wore weapon or armour, and they sat at their pre-appointed seats.Elessar listened attentively to the speech of the Mornclaurian. He raised his hand, wishing to be acnowledged. He received permission to speak after Gonnilclaur.
"My lords, forgive me if this sounds overly foolish, but do you not think that there may be people in the lands of which you speak, and that these people may be content and happy with the lives they lead? These supposed people would not have immunities to our sicknesses. And what of technology differences? These people could be all powerful, and may be hostile, of which both would more than likely leave our brave men dead. Many things must be taken to account before we take such a drastic move, and I suggest you think of them.

[Arathin]

Arathin's smooth almost elven voice follows Elessar's. "He has a point, m'lord Dengen." She rises and turns to see everyone. "We must remember that if the Numenur had maps of these lands, they probably set-up colonies or found natives. We must also remember how advanced Numenur was before the flood. These people may have kept advancing where Numenur stopped. I say be wary if you wish to take on this dangerous task." She resumes her seat, and waits for a reply. They are long in coming.

[Eomer Dinmention]

*Eomer looks around the room. He sees everyone except for one person.
But he can't remember whos not there.
Then it hits him

*Eomer stands up "my Lord Dengen, where is the lady Tar-Ancalime. I have not seen her for a long time"

[Ciryaher]

"What of the vastness of your realm, Lord Goroth? Surely there is some rumour of these lands on the borders of yours if they indeed exist. Perhaps we should consult all local legends and folktales ere we go in search of new lands; for is it not said that even the most extreme of tales may hold some ounce of truth? At least it would be a place to start.

"And also, suppose new, uninhabited lands are found? I suggest we colonize them jointly and grant them sovereign rule with republican systems of self-government.

[Arathin]

That, Ciryaher, is a thought of only land and power. We must look to the possibilty and probability of people in these lands. At the very least think on them before setting anything in motion.

ooc:we now play the role of the Europeans.

[Snaga]

To be cautious is to be wise, forsooth. Such possibilities we must consider and prepare for. But in understanding such possibilities to shun the task and the knowledge of our world it may bring; that would seem to me to be craven.

[Dengen-Goroth]

"Lord Eomer, my Queen has been away for some time, but I assure you she will return. Now then, I agree with Gonnilclaur, to abandon the possibilities of learning of these lands is folly, more so then venturing there. They may be living primative lives, in no technology as were the Men of Middle Earth in the Dark Years. Indeed, it is our duty therein to bring to them knowledge, of such things as medicines, foods, lore, and the Word of the One. We find ourselves now in this hall, in this city of Marble, Gold, and the same with warmth whilst night is indeed wicked and cold. We take our luxuries for granted in all to many cases. Yet perhaps these Islanders live without roof save cave. Or without knowledge of the One. And I say thus, if they are advanced to the degree some may believe, why then have they not ventured here, to this main body of land?"
Dengen paused and turned to face the majority of the assembly.
"Of the myths there are many. Most are now stored in Dunwain ,however, that city took grevious loss and damage in the war with the Wizards. Yet some who live on the coasts of the east spoke of a time, now remembered only in lore, when the earth was, as they put it, "flat". A mariner abode there, on the eastern coast, and in his life-time he built a mighty ship. Great was it to behold, yet upon her maiden voyage the seas were wrent fromunder her and she nigh fell. Yet even as she did so she saw great chains of, as they put it, sand. It fell on one, and was not damaged. The Island was lush with greenery and there lived a strange tribe. He was set free quickly, and returned only in last years of age, finding death not more then a year after. This is but one of many tales which are rarely, if even, remembered to this day and age. What say you all of this?

[Telchar]

"Lord Dengen, The tale you are telling may be true, I've heard one that recemble(sp?) before, but old tales has a tendency to grown as the years pass. But most of them are based on true events.."
Telchar pauses and turns toward Ciryaher.
"But how shall the voiagers behave when they reach unknow shores and havens? Traditions and behavior will be different, and in this I belive there may be danger."

[Dengen-Goroth]

Dengen pauses as he is given a scroll. He moves in his seat and then looks at those assembled anew.
"Have you heard of the second continent my friends?" He spoke. Some shuffled in their seats, other stared on. None spoke. Dengen began
"It was an age of the world which now to man's memory is as distant as the land of the Valar. Yet in that time was cartgrophy of Arda made best, and with the fall of that island did fall our knowledge of the lands about us. Yet the sailors of Numenor mastered the waters and ventured into the inland seas, and saw the gates of the sun, and also they found another. It was known as the baren lands, for it was lush with beast and bird. Yet it was a continent, as much as Middle Earth even. Some say it was pushed back by the One when he delved the great divide between this land and the other realm. Yet perchance some of it, if not all of it, remained. Then in the Dark Years perhaps some moved." He was interrupted as a line of servants entered holding trays with chalices of silver.
"Ah, my friends I treat you now to some Dorwinion wine! One of the best years we have seen in records this is!
"Now, also what of the Icebay of Forochel. As of old he is known as Morgoth held power in the wastes of the North, and now but remain the Northern Wastes and Forochel. If none object I would see to it that it was made a province of Mornclaur and that it was brught to light in our eyes, for long ha it been unknown of. Few have set foot in that cold region, nigh higher then Forodwaith. Perchance if there is another continent it would be easiest to venture there from that northernmost of regions. These are deep enigmas, what say the rest of you?"

[Arathin]

I did now say that we should not venture to these lands. Only that we should exercise great caution in doing so, if we do. These people also might be a thousand times more advanced then us, but be happy and content with simply lives of nomads and farmers; each so content with their own land that none wish to travel to our continent. And Telchar has a very good point. The voyagers may be killed because of the lack of proper island traditions. If we are to undertake this, we must look at all possiblities. And who said that we must share our knowledge with these people. We discovered it on our own and so should they. That way they actually know who to use it on their own. We cannot govern those possible people without their full consent.

[Dengen-Goroth]

"Yes, valid indeed, but we may sit and discuss for an age or more. We know very well that we will be in foreign lands, and therefor in the grave possibility of Danger. I tell you all now, the possibility of the resources, new creatures, and new knowledge is to great to pass down. We must move lest we fall to doubts and questions. The horizon of the sea has beconed to mariners sine time was begun, let us not downplay the possibilies. Arathin, all is plausible, and we, if we encounter any new peoples, must extend hands of friendship and be kind to them. The risks of not going weigh graver then going!"

[Arathin]

I have heard you and agree, Lord Dengen. The risks of not going do outweigh those of going. I say go, but do not be over-rash in going and over-look the possiblities that are to come. We may find nothing, but good land, resouces, and unimhabited islands. Then again we may find somethings other that we never stopped to consider. I vote to undertake this journey as a group effort, but to not over-look the smallest precaution to the safty of our own people as well as their's. I will not allow my people to die needlessly, but neither will I allow them to pass up a chance at new knowledge. I think we should speak with our people before desiding whether or not to go. Our people have as much right to be a part of this choice as we, their leaders, do. I don't know about the rest of you, but I always put any choice of this mounmentous size to my people's desition. It is their right to choose.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Elessar sits, unable to keep up with Arathin and Dengen. He presently sips a bit of wine.

[Ciryaher]

"Lords, let us consider. Why sail through the desolate north, where our explorers would freeze to death or be smashed to bits by the dreaded ice? Now, let us consider simply sailing West."

Hearing a murmur, he spoke slightly louder. "Consider....consider that those mariners of old went in search of Valinor. We would not be seeking Valinor, therefore, I propose that any vessels that go in search of new lands will not be entagled in the 'magical' nets set up so long ago."

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Elessar finnaly spoke, feeling the need to add a bit of information.
"Yes lords, Ciryaher is right. To the north is naught but death and starvation, only the stout people who have lived there for centuries can endure it. To the west we must go, but have no fear of the Valar, for the world is made circular, and in sailing west you find the east. The nets have vanished, and as long as none seek the straight path, the wrath of the Valar will not be upon you.

[Snaga]

Gonniclaur spoke again:

'I have lately been in the land of Khand, and I spoke to men of Far Harad where the sun is hot.

'It is believed by many that if you travel southwards and southwards that at the end the heat is so great the seas boil and the sands are so hot it will melt the feet of all who pass that way.

'Yet I spoke to one who told me this was not so. He was a ship's captain from Umbar of old. He told me that once he had sailed to a southern sea, and was caught in a storm of fearsome strength. At last, when it abated he found himself far to the south and the waters became cold again, and from afar he saw islands of ice. If there were lands there, he could not say. Indeed, he grew insolent and violent and I confined him to the dungeon. Perhaps he is there still! Yet those who sail the seas tell tales longer than their journeys I'll warrant!'

[Eomer Dinmention]

*I agree with all of you.
But my word of advise is that we discuss every single possibilities that could happen when we enter the new lands.
It is then that we will be sure wether to go or not to

[¤-Elessar-¤]

It is my beleif that each country should be responsible for its own exploration. I for one will have little part in it, my concern is with those who look up to me for guidence, my people and my friends, of which neither abide on far off contenents and islands.
*turns to the lord Dengen
"Will General Jahrdur be joining us presently?"

[Arathin]

That is true Lord Eomer. Every possiblity must be examined from every point of view before we act on anything. I also agree with Elessar that for my part I will have little to do with the claiming of lands. Fore although I have a great and unabiding love of advantor(sp) I have no great desire to needlessly expand my land. If need be, my people will live with no land to their names as they have since before the final war of the Ring. My only concerns are for the possible people of these islands, and for my own people.

[Ciryaher]

"I doubt your people will be in harm's way unless they go seeking new lands themselves," commented Ciryaher.

"I make a motion that these new lands can be claimed by no one, and that if found, they shall be colonized and ruled by this Senate of Arda...or be left alone. I feel that any further land-claiming will lead only to jealousy and war."

[Arathin]

I must admit that Ciryaher has a very good point. If any nations gain any more land, problems will arise.

[Eomer Dinmention]

"Yes I agree also with Cir. When Claiming lands, it will only lead to jealousy and war."

[Snaga]

Perhaps it would be wisest to conduct the expedition first to explore and map these lands, and to discover their peoples. Then, when that mission returns we may make a policy based on knowledge. Until that time I suggest a ban may be decreed on claim lordship of new lands.

[Arathin]

That is a very good idea, Snaga.

[Dengen-Goroth]

"Indeed, yet lands are not to be left to the ravens. And what of the Senate of Arda. It has not been in motion for some time my friend, and even there would be disputes. If we move there shall be problems and if we do not there may be ever unanswered questions. I know no whether this ban would be to the best, for it could be broken." An uneasy air seemed to pass into those assembled.

[Ciryaher]

"Lord Goroth, if the Senate of Arda is to be more than a hall of endless banty, then we must allot a task to it. The government of new lands would be an excellent test of how the Nations can work together. I think it is worth the try."

[Eomer Dinmention]

What is the Senate of Arda

I believe i haven't heard of this Senate of Arda.

[Dengen-Goroth]

Yes, you speak truth, but will it govern well? We have not even a clear cut plan for how to make it effective, or for ho the acting body shall conduct it's governership. It came down to a hall of endless banter, how can we change that?

[¤-Elessar-¤]

how did the first senate go? I never read the thread.
(btw- I will not be here again until sunday night, at the earliest)

[Dengen-Goroth]

It was simply a place for the affairs of Arda to be discussed. Now then, we have reached the decision that it would be most prudent to venture forth. When do we do so?

[Arathin]

winter? summer? spring? fall? now?

[Eomer Dinmention]

I will go. But will not claim any land or anything. I'm only here to explore.

Hmm i think Spring would be a good time

[Dengen-Goroth]

Yes, that sounds favorable. However I have already dispatched a small scouting force. So we shall soon hear of their progres and of what is found. They set sail from Dunwain not long ago. Also as this is the Senate of Mornclaur I declare now that which most already knew. Sting is the Governor of Khand. Any other volunteers for such a task?:)

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Come, let the senate not fall! I shall bring up another topic...
Is this senate, made up of the heads of the greatest nations, going to address the purpose of arms and warfare? Many nations have been moving their armies around a bit, and I was wondering wether or not it would be wise to set some standard of peace.

[Eomer Dinmention]

Yes I have been building up my defence lately.
And researching new technology to help with my defence.

But i will now say that Rohan is a free country. All may enter that do not look suspicious.

[Snaga]

Originally posted by King Eomer
But i will now say that Rohan is a free country. All may enter that do not look suspicious. That counts me out then!

As you will know we orcs have a dread of the sea. I will not go on such an expedition. But there are many in my legions who I might assign.

[Dengen-Goroth]

Indeed, and I am sure you are quite busy with the military as it is. But would you be willing to venture southward? Also Mornclaur is now overhauling the entire structure of cities within her boarders, and now for the first time in quite some time Dorwinion Wine may be traded. And may I simply say in these, my halls, that I am grieved with the situation within the forum concerning such councils. We seemingly never get much done. We greatly require how to measure time, ex. 1 forum year=2 weeks, etc. We need rules for war. No one would concede defeat, so we need to have rules by which a winner may be decided. A court must be set up to judge disputes, so in many cases war may be averted. There is much to be discussed and done which has been attempted, but never made. We must move on these isues!

[¤-Elessar-¤]

First, on the order of forum time, I think two weeks is far to short. I will agree to anything over a month, but preferably 6 weeks.

[Dain Ironfoot]

6 weeks sounds good. I believe that a senet of Arda was a good idea. 2 reps from each kingdom.......

[Eomer Dinmention]

Lord Dengen, I ask you if that i may bring my 4 captains along or 3 captain along. For Rohan is ruled by me (of course) but my captains help me rule it. They tell me what they think about different subjects. And they council me. It is then that i will come to a conclusion.

So is that ok? Is there anymore room in the Senate of Arda

[Snaga]

As far as a battle system goes, we need something nice and simple IMO. Perhaps we should adapt what is used in 'Risk'?

We'd need to build in something that takes account of relative skill / training / equipment etc, and if battle is joined you would need to agree the 'board' you were playing on.

I haven't got any better ideas.

[Talierin]

6 weeks is good, that means that every week is equivalent to 2 rp months. Or maybe even 12 weeks, so each week is really a month.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Snaga, we may also need to take into account terrain differences and moral of troops. A group of 50 hired soldiers will often loose a fight to a group of 20 farmers defending their homes.

[Snaga]

Elessar I agree... but how do we keep it simple? Just remembered... Risk uses dice... no good!:confused:

[Dengen-Goroth]

Yes, 6 weeks is fine, though a bit long. I see not why we must "drag" the time period so, though I must confese I am pleased we have reached an agreement. Let it be so! Now as to the battles, this shall be complicated. At this point I have but one solution, find a game that all who hold rank have and have multiplayer battle. yes it is ridiculous, yes it is absurd, yes it will never be. But I must reinforce, I am currently in a state of complete exhaustion so please diregard that one.

[Arathin]

That idea isn't rediculous, Dengen. It is a v. good idea. How about StarCraft? Everyone I know has that game. We could just set up a time and have the opposing people play eachother at some starcraft game.

[Dain Ironfoot]

I have Starcraft!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Arathin]

I told you. Most people do.

[Ciryaher]

Well, I thought I'd seen it all, but this takes the cake. Of all the ridiculous ideas...STARCRAFT?! If that's what this so-called "senate" has degenerated to, then I'll take my leave of absence and go about exploring on my own terms.

*exits the building muttering something derogatory about Starcraft*

[Dengen-Goroth]

Yes, indeed. But perchance a more medieval style of game. But also we can do this as thus: Compile a chart of attributes for every type of beast of war that there is. In a range of 1-10 state its strengths in such as health, damage, etc. Then put into account possible bonus added to those. For instance if an Orc is on a hill and his opponent is below him he would have +1 his health. This would take into account many of what is considered complicated. Though this is where possible Court of Arda would come into play. They could vote on what amount of point to what creature, etc. Or we should create a kind of United Nations or at least one great meeting where all of this would be mapped out. However, to remove the obstacle of consistent banter we would hold a vote a week or so after it convenes to make this all finalized. This would increase the pace of the council and make it much more effective then the many others attempted prior. The main weakness in the Senate of Arda, the Council of Grand Masters, and other such areas was that it all did fall down to pointless talk and banter. Something that can not be allowed to happen again. A "constitution" of sorts should be drafted for this meeting and put into place. We would need without doubt a weekly agenda, and a vote at the end of every week for the issues at hand. An actual, fully functioning system. In this way we would accomplish all that is needed. Also, the Mornclaur Federation has dispatched a party of 1,000 workers/craftsmen and scholars to the Cape of Forochel to enhance the knowledge of all on the Icemen who live there and to investigate claims of Gold and Iron deposits in the region. Also the borders of Mornclaur have been re-written. *Dengen is given a large scroll which he unrolls* As you see the border curves northward from the junction of the River Running and the Redwater to skim some seventy-five miles from the tip of the Iron Hills and so curve northwards. All of the New Lands are the eastern parts of the northern lands. All from that boarder and eastwards are under the reign of the Dark Lord of Mornclaur. The curve is as of a sickle but not as round, more dull. Vague it is, and hopefully soon enough I shall have a map posted here for you all. These lands shall provide much pure water for farming projects I am beginning in the south were the sun is great. Also the production of grains has increased by 130% since five years prior in the lands of the Rhun and about the Lake of Nurnen. The new investments to the north shall hopefully increase production of raw materials in accordance to the openings of many a new mine in the Rhun. Also I plan to make advances in seating arrangements within the government system of Mornclaur, and Umbar is to undergo a major reconstruction project effective immediately to update the docks, which are in a pitiful state, and to be a prelude to my major reconstruction of Mornclaur, which shall take place within no less then half a year. Lastly on my agenda for discussion upon this day is to congratulate my men on their near completion of Osclaur, the completion being with the addition of the capstone unto the Triumphant Arch of the Empire. Perchance some of you noticed upon arrival to the Senate Building that you traveled upon a broad avenue that met in a plaza before this building. The arch was then barely under way, and now it is at the beginning of the mighty avenue of Mornclaur. Now what are your suggestions on the statistics for the troops preposition and the charter for a possible Revised Senate of Arda?

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Here is an idea, Gondor and Mornclaur could both relenquish claims on the isle of Tolfalas, and on that isle we could make a great place for the senate of Arda to meet. The Isle, of course, would be neutral to all conflicts and would be protected in part by every nation that participates in the council.

(If you quite insist on using a strange multiplayer game, I suggest Warcraft II, it is extremely inexpensive, and I do beleive I remember blizzard being sued by the tolkien estate because the game was far to close to the works of tolkien. Plus I am quite sure that you may find a version downloadable from the net, one that only plays on Battle.net)

[Dengen-Goroth]

I must disagree Elessar. Mornclaur will not give away a token of peace between Gondor and Mornclaur. However as New York City is to the United Nations so can Tolfalas be to the Senate. An area may be given to international us and be International Property. I will not give away the entirety of the lands I own there. But I will give a good amount to this preposition.

[Dengen-Goroth]

Due to recent events it is now to be known that all northern provinces are under great vigal, though not banning entrance. One will undergo greater security checks, and most have some economical business.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Thank you for your consideration, lord Goroth. By the way, I have a shipment of trade supplies that set out from Corrock on monday last, they shall probably arrive at your borders shortly. They are on their way to trade products of wood (bows, arrows, wooden things, you know) for products of beauty (pottery, art, and such) in Rhunwain. I beg you to allow them passage.

[Snaga]

Elessar, your trade caravan will be permitted to pass. However we will insist on purchasing all weaponry (ie bows and arrows you mentioned) for the armies of Mornclaur before you proceed. We will pay a reasonable price, which we will name. In addition it is unfortunate but Mornclaur officials will require a thorough search of your trade mission, to ensure everything is in order. We are not singling you out: this is a general security measure. It is not negotiable, for times are tense and we have need of these weapons. Beyond that you may trade freely, and you will be provide you with an small armed escort to ensure your safe passage.

Is this acceptable?

[Snaga]

I wish to report that a full assessment of the military capabilities of the orcs of the Misty Mountains and Grey Mountains has been carried out with extremely heartening conclusions. The orcs there are in great strength.

Recently training exercises with upgraded weaponry has been highly successful, and with permanent military advisors from the armies of the Federation stationed with them, discipline is now guaranteed. This should be welcomed by all neighboring territories and empires, as mutual security can now be achieved.

In the light of recent events, they are on a state of heightened alert, but their posture remains of course defensive.

Classified expeditions northwards have yielded interesting results.

[Telchar]

The borders of Zirak Khazad is now closed forr all, except the people of Mornclaur. There will be kept constant watch over the entire border, and at each pass 2 legions will prevent anyone from crossing.

[Dengen-Goroth]

"May it be known that all in peril. The fleets of Mornclaur are now to remain in a closer ring about her lands. Also, a group of craftsmen have been dispatched to the borders of the Zirak Khazad Empire, and shall not be harmed by any. Also may it be known thus, the Mornclaur Federation’s Northern border with Mirkwood shall be impassable save by word of the High Council, Gonnilclaur, or Dark Lord.” Dengen-Goroth spoke. Then came to him the messenger from the Lady of Ithilien. Dengen bade him take whatever gift he wanted from his halls and to send gracious and mirthful words to the Lady. Then Dengen looked about the Senate, which was now filled with the empty seats of the original night, for these new times meant many returned to their homes, and sighed. Turning he moved into an adjoining room, a council was to be held with inner members, including the Military Generals, Governors, and other such of the high Political ladder in Mornclaur.

[Tar-Ancalime]

and because of his affairs, completely ignores his lovely wife who is currently at a bar! (hint) and knows his lovely wife wants to talk to him.She feels left out...ignored...disregarded...and other various emotions!(hint):D..but may forget this happend if she gets some stuff from elessars caravan.(hint)

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Yes, the terms are quite acceptable. I was planning to sell the bows to the federation in Rhun, but I dont guess the need is in Rhun. And any search is welcome, if it procedes to the safety of your great federation.

[Ciryaher]

Ciryaher strides back into the chamber and slams a heavy object on his assigned desk to draw attention. "I would like to put forward the motion that ALL land claims cease immediately and further claims shall not be recognized by any land and thusly denied," he said quickly, "What does the Senate say to my proposal?"

[¤-Elessar-¤]

I disagree. Any unclaimed land is subject to claim by anyone. If you disagree with me I am quite sure you shall receive similar answers from the rest of the council.

[Snaga]

Originally posted by Ciryaher
Ciryaher strides back into the chamber and slams a heavy object on his assigned desk to draw attention. "I would like to put forward the motion that ALL land claims cease immediately and further claims shall not be recognized by any land and thusly denied," he said quickly, "What does the Senate say to my proposal?"

Gonnilclaur greets the Emperor. 'My lord! I think the Senate has adjourned for the moment. The Lord of Mornclaur is, erm, taking counsel with the Queen I believe. I am sure he will be here soon, when word reaches him of your return.

'Nevertheless your proposal is interesting. Would this include your claim on Arandor?

'By the way, it would be of interest if you could outline the nature of your claim to Arandor. And if King Beorn did likewise, perhaps greater understanding would avail a solution.

'I must comment that of course at present from the point of view of Mornclaur, the war that is alleged is no more than internal troop movements within Annatore. These movements are of course your right, and Mornclaur has no interest in it. But should these movements develop into bloodshed, how shall the world judge what is happening when no cause of war is known?'

Gonnilclaur pauses for a moment, reflecting. 'Of course in the good old days noone worried about the cause of war... we just got on with it! Ah! Those were the days! Still, that was then and this is now!'

[Ciryaher]

Ciryaher addresses Gonniclaur, "We have every right to spar amongst ourselves, and the sparring is over the Gondorian province of Arandor. I am not 'claiming' it, but rather, I am attempting to conquer it. This is between Gondor and Arnor, and I highly warn anyone from foolishly trying to take advantage of our grand little war (which is actually using more forces than Arnor ever has before...) and trying to attack either of us."

[Dengen-Goroth]

Dengen-Goroth, Dark Lord of the Mornclaur Federation, enters. Behind him are gaurds.
"Lord Ciryaher of Arnor, did you not leave my halls prior? I am glad to see you hath returned. With the topic of taking more land, I can not cease it, nor any other. Unclaimed lands are very much just that. I may dissaprove as may any other but I fear that there is no way to end it, because none of use have jurisdiction over those lands. I hope you understand the dilemma in which we have found ourselves. However lands should only be claimed by agreement from a certain amount of other lands, and can not simply be taken by those without the means of support or if they are to be used for such incidents as mass murder or the like. Now that you are here however, may I offer anything? Also, Gonnilclaur, I believe it would be most helpful if you came into council with myself, as would some of the Governors."

[Ciryaher]

"I will diplomatically fight any claims that are adjacent to my own. Why does the Khazad Kingdom need that land anyways? The very least they could do is explain why they want it before they waltz in and take it. I draw a line directly north from Gundabad to the top of Arda, and I shall permit no claim to come east of that line," Ciryaher raised his finger and then lowered back onto his seat.

[Snaga]

East? I guess you mean West of that line?

[Ciryaher]

"Ahh, yes, West...of course. I'm a tad out of my head," Ciryaher smiles and taps his temple.

[Dengen-Goroth]

A certain force of warriors has entered the outpost in Forochel Recently.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Why! Lord Dengen, what could possibly be the meaning of this?

[Snaga]

A great battalion from Rhun crosses the Brown Lands, and over the great road to Khazad Dum, so reinforce the forces of Lord Telchar.

Let it be known, whatever the movements of men near the Gap of Rohan may be for, Zirak Khazad will not be the victim.

[Arathin]

Can I just state two things?
One: My alligences are with my people and Rohan.
Two: What is this whole stupid war thing over.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Let it be known that Rohan is also concerned with the chess moves by the armies of Annatore, and that Rohan will be no victim of their plotting.

[Eomer Dinmention]

Yes I am not to happy with the move of Arnor's men.

But i will now state that, Rohan will not attack. But if we are attacked with a little move, we will be forced to defend ourselves and hold them back.
Thus i apoligise for all those who, wanted to visit Rohan, but it is now fully close. It has been opened, and closed, open and closed. I am getting very sick of these wars, and only want it to stop.

Thankyou Arathin.

[Arathin]

Of course you are my king as well as friend, Eomer. And I always help friends in need or trouble of any kind.

[Snaga]

Yes its all very mysterious isn't it? Lets hope noone dishonours themselves with dirty sneaky underhand attacks. Apart from me of course... I'm an orc so its allowed. But I'd hate to see anyone else stoop to my level.

Just in case, its a good thing that Methedras is now well defended with the extra 10,000 easterlings I sent across, reinforcing the dwarves of Telchar's capital.

I will mention too the small army of orcs, leaving the Morannen to guard the east bank of the Anduin. Having such long borders is a general's nightmare!

[Dengen-Goroth]

Dengen-Goroth enters the great throne room in the Imperial Palace of Mornclaur. Men in Crimson robes and two back strips running do their sides salute from either end and cry out, "Hail Lord Morhir, Dengen-Goroth, Lord of the East, Regent of us all!" Then he makes his way to the throne and sits in it. The Great Monks of Night, tendents of the Dome of Melkor begin to chant versus as he broods in dark thought.
"Ah, if only were life less cruel. Talk of the Moremil and Bragolpaur. Dark times..."

[Khamul]

Drygo, governor of Khand and Ostmor, hastily walks into the council and has a seat, while momentarily greeting those around him.

[Dain Ironfoot]

Oh great lord Dengen, you let your governers atack me? Is this your wish, because I wish no harm on any members of the Morclaur Fed. I believed we were at peace.



~dain

[Ciryaher]

Ciryaher quietly raises his hand, "Arnor has cut all ties with the Kazum Kingdoms. We side with the orcs of the Grey Mountains."

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Lord Dengen, in case Dain's post made little sense to you. We would like to inquire as to what part you played in the General Gonniclaur's disrespect for your allys, and his blatent rebellion against them.
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And also, it is an act of the upmost indignity and filth for you to allow a governor of Mornclaur to send a Mornclaurian regement from Khand to attack an ally, I suggest you and Sting think on this one.

Elessar €

[Snaga]

I am afraid that Lord Dengen has loftier matters to attend to for the moment. So I am in charge of the Mornclaur Federation until his return.

I refute the insinuation that the Mornclaur Federation can be held to blame. Perhaps you will show me where you have been assailed by our forces and I will attend to it. No indiscipline is tolerated within the Mornclaur Federation's army. If not you will withdraw the remark.

Moreover, neither is violation of our borders tolerated.

So let it be known that the illegal occupation of the Ice Bay of Forochel by the 'snow dwarves' (as you describe them) must come to an end. We will escort them to whatever point you request. Please post your preferred location for us to take them to.

[Eomer Dinmention]

*Eomer walks in and sits down next t Dengen's chair.

[Snaga]

I wish to announce this peaceful and bloodless liberation of the Iron Hills and Gabil-Dum from Dain the Usurper. We will disclose more news when the time is ripe.

For now, please consider the Khazum Kingdoms to be dissolved.

[Mormegil]

The White Mountains is now an independant kingdom.
I ask that Mornclaur accepts this and accepts my country's friendship.

[Snaga]

Formal recognition will be granted I have no doubt, upon Lord Dengen's return. For now, I extend the hand of friendship, and pledge military protection to the White Mountains from the Mornclaur Federation.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

No movements of the Mornclaur army will be accepted until I, myself, have heard the direct word of the Lord Dengen-Goroth. Dengen is a honorable man and would never attack an ally. And I suggest you stop this foolishness, there is no way the armies of Mornclaur could have transvered the great distance to the north (has to be well over 700 miles) in anything less than a month. You are at great folly in this, and I suggest you go and buy a calculator and a head that is spun on in an appropriate direction. The RP labeled something along rebellion over the grey mountains is suspended until the return of lord Goroth.

[Snaga]

ooc: You should be grateful for me not reporting that personal attack Elessar. The moment you bring in calculators etc that's an ooc attack. Insult me all you like ic. Try and keep a distance between the RP and reality please.

Furthermore, you have no authority to suspend an RP. You are not a mod!

As for your concerns firstly:
Check this Mornclaur territory (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3002&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)

Your calculations are wrong, and so is your understanding of geography. The Mornclaur Federation borders these territories. And since you just posted a round trip of 300+ miles in 24 hours you are in no position to give a lecture.

ic: I am Commander of the Military of the Mornclaur Federation. I have full authority to move troops. If I have exceeded my authority no doubt Lord Dengen will deal with it then. But the internal chain of command within the Mornclaur Federation is not a matter for public debate.

If you wish for a ceasefire until Lord Dengen returns that is a different matter, and I will consider such an offer. Is that your wish?

[Ecthelion]

I am here to ask Lord Dengen-Goroth for the taking back of Gabil-Dum and Iron Hills. I am the new ruler of The Kazum Kindgom and ask for them back.

[Snaga]

Lord Nain the senate will be back in session in a couple of days. For now you are welcome and I extend to you the hospitality of Beraid-Rhûn.

[Ecthelion]

"Thank you Lord Snaga. I will wait here." Nain walks over to a chair and sits in it. He covers his face with his arms and thinks.

[Snaga]

Yet you did not wait did you? In fact you have sent forces against me. There was no need for such a thing. And indeed no hope: for your small forces will never prevail.

It makes me to despair to see lands of Middle Earth so ill-led.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Do you really feel yourself justified in this, by any means? Do you think that some messenger of a commander of 8 thousand dwarves who insulted two kings, and two races of peoples of the world did not deserve a twig in his shoulder? He was in crime there, against the elves, the dwarves, and Dain and myself, therefor he was punished. Do you think that these new lands of Mornclaur will please one who is lord of so much better things? Sure, the new lands may please him, but there are no men worthy of battle there, for they were all in the armies that were absent when you attacked. And he will, by no means, be pleased with you attacking his ally with his own men, even while the alliance stood.

And I don't know what happened with the post I put there, about the battle near the Anduin, and I would like to know who you had to delete it, and on what grounds.

[Snaga]

I haven't had any posts deleted. I don't remember seeing any post that is now missing either come to that. If you think something funny's happened PM a mod.:)

[Dain Ironfoot]

Ok posts have been deleted, Dengen isn't even here, and you type out the whole battle and how it ends. This is real fair to do to a king that just wanted peace and tried to reason with you.....

[Snaga]

Dain

I honestly know nothing about any posts being deleted. I certainly can't delete anyone else's posts. If you think a mod has done so, ask. Ask one like ReadWryt who doesn't post here if you think Ciryaher / Talierin might have done something underhand, which is what you are implying. But I promise you I've not asked for anything to be deleted, and if something got deleted I don't think I ever saw it.

The only thing I can think is that the forum did have another database problem for a time. Perhaps that caused it? Again don't ask me, ask a mod. But you have my word as an orc (:D) that I responded in good faith to what I saw posted. On every occasion when someone has complained about a post, I have given it serious thought. I am still waiting to hear from Nain about whether he let you into Erebor to take Orcrist for example... if he says the sword wasn't there I will delete the stuff about melting it down.

As for writing out the entire course of battles etc that's just not true. In taking Gabil Dum, the Iron Hills and Erebor I haven't fought anyone.

[Talierin]

I certainly have not deleted anything in this thread. It might have been Cir, but if it was posted yesterday morning it prolly disappeared cause that bloody database error was here again.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

I had a big post, it took me like a half hour to type, where I... oh well, what's it matter? An ally of Mornclaur was defeated by Mornclaur, if that isn't irony I dont know what is.

[Snaga]

Elessar

Your personal opinions on the recent events are well known to all, and need no elaboration.

You have led a military campaign against soldiers of the Grey Mountains, but I note carefully that you appear to have used dwarven soldiers throughout. On the other hand, you as ruler of Dor-Taur-Sir, allowed and conducted this policy within your own borders.

Therefore I ask: what is the diplomatic policy of Dor-Taur-Sir firstly towards the Grey Mountains, and secondly towards the Mornclaur Federation?

[Cygnus]

*arrives in the council after his absense.*

[Eomer Dinmention]

Snaga I would like to know. You said you had authorities of moving troops of Monclaur. And that you are incharge of the troops. I would like to know was the Dark Queen Tar notified. Did she know about this. Did she order you, or did you order the attack by yourself.

For i think when the great Lord Dengen left that Tar Acalime would be in control of the Monclaur.

Nothing offensive, I was just wondering

[Snaga]

Well I keep our beautiful Queen informed of course. She was interested to know if I have found any nice jewelry. And whether all this war was interfering with my love life. * shrugs *

Oh and whether I was washing regularly.

[Eomer Dinmention]

yes lol

That is Tar. Did you find any nice jewels. I need some more.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Dor-Taur-Sir accounts Mornclaur as a friend, if not an ally. And I have ties with the Lord Goroth, if you must know. And the dwarves were part of a plan hatched in my brain, a plan working against an invasion of Arnor. I just wasn't counting on an attack from an ally, that turned my scheme into a trainwreck.

[Snaga]

The Mornclaur Federation is glad to hear of your friendship. There is an immediate act of goodwill and friendship that I would ask of you.

I respectfully request that you do not permit the remnant of the dwarven army to pass east through Mirkwood to assail our troops.

Your cooperation would be greatly welcomed.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

The Mornclaur Federation is on Rocky Ground as it is, and it will be a suspended Friendship until the Lord Dengen-Goroth returns. Until then, faithful allies will receive my help.

Edit-
Sorry if this seems rude. I wish for a league with Mornclaur and you, Gonniclaur. But we have a conflict, and until the lord Goroth returns I see no other way of resolving that conflict.

[Snaga]

Elessar

Rude? No. But you put in fine words what is an outrage.

If Dor-Taur-Sir lets troops gather on its territory to hatch plots against the Mornclaur Federation that is simply unacceptable.

The Mornclaur Federation has done nothing to harm Dor-Taur-Sir, and has enjoyed prosperous and peaceful trade with your land. Is this how you repay us?

Could I allow your enemies (and there are a few I hear) to station forces within the lands of the east in order to launch attacks on you, and still claim to be your friend? I say to you, there is no such thing as a friendship suspended. There is friendship, and there is friendship ended.

Therefore I say to you, in the spirit of peace: reconsider! For much now weighs on the return of the Great Lord of the East. And none had wished to add your fate into that balance.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

I took it as a personal Insult when Mornclaur took it upon itself to venge the shoulder of the orc who insulted not only myself and Dain, but both of our peoples. Especially the fact that he was too much of a coward to insult us in our own language. I will allow any allies into my country who peacefully wish it. They will not hatch plans there to attack you, not if I have anything to do with it, but if you attack them there I will assure you that you will have a hard time of it.

[Snaga]

Very well.

I will expect you then to intervene to prevent Nain bringing dwarves through Mirkwood to join the battle, which is his current intent. If you do this we shall see your good will.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

There are no dwarves on the other side of Mirkwood for him to bring through. My the small army of Gabil-Dum is still loyal to Dain, and are in Dor-Taur-Sir with me.

[Ciryaher]

I have had a change of mind, and all diplomatic and economic ties with the Grey Mountains are hereby cut until further notice. I will not re-establish ties until the orkish hordes cease all conflict with all parties.

[Snaga]

Emperor, that is indeed regrettable. I hope that friendly relations can be restored quickly.

For my part, as Urukgush of the Grey Mountains, I am willing to have peace. Indeed, I have no forces on foreign soil. Indeed I always have been. All will note that this conflict started when the army of the Grey Mountains tried to go home in peace, and was attacked.

However as the Mornclaur Federation is involved, things are more complex. I have on many occasions stated that I cannot negotiate on behalf the Mornclaur Federation to finally resolve this. That is Lord Dengen's right. I am merely a military commander. I can and have offered ceasefires, and they have not been accepted. If Nain brings armies to assail my forces, he is not looking for peace. I would look for a statement from Nain, that he is willing to look for a settlement.

Elessar has shown he is indeed a friend and I thank him.

[Dengen-Goroth]

Dengen-Goroth enters the halls anew, recently arrived from his journey. As he enters a herald cries out "Hail Morhir! Dengen-Goroth, Lord of the East. Raise the voices of the Night in Greeting!" To this again the great Monks of Darkness as they were then known chanted, and their voices spoke of Night and Greeting, accompanied by deep drums. Goroth strode to the throne and sat in it, nodding to the Herald. Beside him stood his High Council Cygnus. "Hail my good friend, it has been far to long and hard a road since your leave. im pleased to find you come." Cygnus nodded and bowed slightly. The Great Hall crowned with albaster and Marble glimmered neath the torch light, and the great banners of Mornclaur hung from each piller of Black Marble. Dengen shifted in his throne and smiled warmly at the Gonnilclaur. "And you as well I greet, what a hard path indeed." Then he paused, and glanced over all thence assembled. He knew full well the questions which ran through their minds, their dspleasure, the wrath, the fear. The sun was setting and the domes of the Senate building were light, and the Imperial Palace gleamed. "To your questions I shall provide response when I hear what hath occured, as I have been absent from the doings of Middle Earth for short, though in deep infinitly long, time. Though this response shalt come soon."

[¤-Elessar-¤]

*Elessar stood, he looked grimly around. He snaps his fingers for one of the small boys who were payed to pass letters and notes around the room. He handed him a scroll, and the scroll was passed to the lord Dengen Goroth.
"There, lord, is my complaint. The dead cannot, by any means be compensated for. But, as for those who have had their homes and families torn from them, I beleive Mornclaur to be to blame. Thus, I ask that the Dwarves are given back their lands, their Kingdom, and that each living member of all dwarven armies that fought in this be paid a sum of one pound of gold. As for the remaining members, I can vouch for the livliness of 4,532 of my own men, who are currently in refuge in Dor-Taur-Sir. The others I beleive are with the lord Nain, and the Lady Evereve. Does this sound reasonable to the Senate?

[Snaga]

Lord Gonnilclaur gave a quiet chuckle at Elessar's speech, aware of the hard looks from a few of those assembled, but little troubled. He bowed to Lord Morhir and saluted. Then he passed a scroll to Lord Morhir. 'Here is the Official War Report of the Glorious Armies of the Mornclaur Federation.'

[Dengen-Goroth]

Dengen-Goroth first took the scoll of Elessar as it came, and read it. Then he took the scroll of Gonnilclaur. He looked foward.
"Lord Elessar of Dor-Taur-Sir, I believe it is not in my need to compensate any damaged lands or property, for there are wide expaes in this world open to all, and until I see reports of any wron-doings in case of war I will speak no further on this matter." He nods to Elessar and prepares to deliver his verdict.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Elessar stood, trying to calm his growing temper.
"Perhaps then, the lord Goroth would be kind enough to tell us what a wrong-doing in a case of war would be, if destroying an ally is not one?"

[Dengen-Goroth]

"As I know it now the Khazum Kingdom remains, and Lord Nain is her Lord. I need not make you angered Elessar. I mean destruction of property of indivduals who played no part in the war-Meaning not supporting bloodshed." Goroth spoke.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

"Your words dance around the truth, Lord Goroth. But if that is the way you wish it, I cannot make it different."
*Elessar sits, he stares off into nothing, frustration growing in his eyes

[Snaga]

Lord Gonnilclaur rose and spoke calmly. 'The facts are that in the capture of the three dwarven citadels, noone was hurt. Only the gates were damaged, and these will be repaired in any event.'

[¤-Elessar-¤]

"In response to the lord Gonniclaur-

It is my beleif that Mornclaur overstepped it's bounds the second it moved troops against the Khazum Kingdoms. It had no buisness interfering with the small rebellion of the north. Indeed, it is my thought that the only reason you moved the forces of Mornclaur was because Ciryaher did not move fast enough, and that certain doom looked you and your rebels in the eyes, and it scared you.

[Dain Ironfoot]

I am acualy in charge, lord goroth. I only put my son in military charge. He and I want peace. these wrong doings are as follows.

ok first, I have posted that all gates were shut and locked by magic.
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Yet though they did not cheer, they were not unduly worried, for they had been told by their leaders that Mornclaur was an ally. So the gates remained open, and the dwarves carried on their business.
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Snaga then said that he tunnled under, well that changes everything, you can't change it after the fact. The whole battle would have turned out differently.



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Yet the dwarves in their folly had forgotten one thing! This was lately their own army that they were attacking. Trained by them, armed by them. And whilst the orcs had run the direct route north, Elessar had led them a longer route, across to the east of the river and then back west. So the stout legs of the dwarves flagged in that hour, but the orcs were fresh, and full of idealism and spirit for they knew they fought for their very freedom.
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This is another example of when Snaga presumes what we will do. He also said that we atacked ourselves. Well... mabey snaga is blind but it isn't that hard to tell orks from dwarves....


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Firstly... Dain clearly posted that he had taken half of all the armies with him to Rohan. If you want I will allow you the other half to be stationed at Carrock and come from there. So cut your force by half... oh dear you don't outnumber me anymore LOL! Secondly Bats...no midday sun... therefore rally! Plus orcs are well known for their stamina.
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Ok, That was in a different rpg. That also happened a while ago, about 2 months forum time. I would have been back.

- and lastly posts have been deleted.

this has turned out to be an abomanation that should have never came to be. I ask not for gold, or silver, yet my people's land back and a seat in your dark halls. I will pm you with further details...

[Ecthelion]

"What I think my father and I are getting at," Nain says as he stands up "is that we wish for all armies in OUR lands evacuate and leave us our lands. I also wish that we are paid for the gates broken(3). We will rebuild them ourselves, but we would like 20,000 lbs of stone for each wall." Nain stands and waits for an answer

[Dain Ironfoot]

We need no gold or silver. We have plenty of that, I haave pm'ed dengen.

[Snaga]

Lord Gonnilclaur rises ands addresses Nain and Dain:

'I am confused. Do you now speak with one voice, or are you in opposition? Who is in charge of what remains of your forces? To reach a settlement this must be clarified: do we need to find peace with one party or two? Who claims what title and authority?'

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Think of it this way, lord. Dain is to Nain as Dengen is to yourself.

[Snaga]

Indeed? That is news! I had not seen a renunciation by Nain of his claim of the Kingship.

[Ecthelion]

Yes that has happened. I was only owner of the Kingdoms for a while. Soon, I believe Dain and I will split both forces and lands, and I will be counciled with everything we do snaga, so fear not of any orcs.

OOC: snaga, you prbably know this, but I am going to ask anyway. Did you know 'snaga' in the Black Speech means 'slave'

[Dengen-Goroth]

Goroth rose and held a scroll.
"May it be known that all lands formerly under the Empire of Dain and Nain are provinces of the Mornclaur Federation with the exception of the White Mountains which the Dark Throne recgnises! Lord Ironfoot is named High Governor of the lands newly entered into the Federation."

[Ecthelion]

Which Ironfoot?

[Snaga]

That will be Lord Dain Ironfoot. May we hear also from you: are you content to follow your father in this path?

[Mormegil]

Mormegil thanks Lord Goroth for his recognition of independance. And hopes that our lands may profit from friendship and trade.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

The four thousand troops of Dain that were residing in the wood near my home have left for Gabil-Dum, carrying the bodies of their slain with them. They fly the banner of the Federation as their standard.

Lord Goroth, will the old Governors of KK be the governors of Mornclaur, or will they be dismissed?

[Snaga]

Lord Gonnilclaur replies: 'The question I put to Nain, does I believe hold for all the other governors. It is not assumed either one way or another. For Lord Dain requested this for himself, but all those who hold a post for the Mornclaur Federation must be truly loyal.'

He pauses for a moment and then continues: 'I thank you for your news of the army of Gabil-Dum. A funeral for the slain will be held on their arrival, with full military honors.

'Thereafter all the dwarven armies leave for training and induction into the military structure of the Mornclaur Federation. This training will introduce them to the Military Code of the Mornclaur Federation, the Five Pillars of Victory:
- Physical hardiness
- Mental strength
- Might of arms
- Loyalty, comradeship and discipline
- Tactical intelligence.

I will say more of this in due course. But let it be known that in all the armies of the Mornclaur Federation we do not allow one soldier who would not lay down his life for his comrade, be he from the wastes of Forodwaith or the hot sands of Far Harad.

And what holds for the infantrymen must hold also for all those who hold rank in the Mornclaur Federation. And those of Dain's governors should know this, when they consider their choices.'

[Ecthelion]

Ok. The governers will switch over if they wish. I own Erebor, Ost Telcontar, and a new land is being made in The Northern Waste (I will tell you it's name when it is time). Nain sends a letter to Ellesar thanking him for bieng let in his land. Nain sends 10,000 to Iron Hills, 15,000 stay in Erebor and there are 5,000 in OSt Telcontar. So, KK is now officially part of the Morn. Fed.

[Snaga]

Lord Gonnilclaur responds: 'Nain, thank you. It is good to see the return of these armies. I have sent lieutenants to meet them. They leave for their training at once. Their missions will be assigned on their return. I am sure they will be a credit to the Federation.'

[¤-Elessar-¤]

*Elessar sits, deep in thought.
"Friendship will have to be enough. For now, I do not wish to be a member of the Federation."

[Ciryaher]

Quickly and silently, Ciryaher stood and walked to Elessar, silently taking a seat beside him and whispering in a low voice. He cast several quick glances at various persons present as he spoke.

[Eomer Dinmention]

*Eomer sits up

"Lord Dengen, If you excuse me, I must leave. I have important meetings to go to. Farewell and I hope to see you again"

*Eomer walks out and rides back to Rohan

[Cygnus]

So, we have new members of the Federation. *Nods to Dain* I welcome you Lord Dain Ironfoot

[Dain Ironfoot]

Thank you, I would just like to say that this is an honor and hope I can be of service in any any way possible to any of you here.

[Dengen-Goroth]

Dengen-Goroth stood briskly and addressed those before him.
"Members of the Federation and," he paused slightly," Allies. Today a great breakthrough has been reached. In Harad, on is very day, great Peace was finally met by the differed ethnicity’s within Mornclaur. At last there shall no longer be any discrimination nor hatred! Our forces are as brothers, as it should have been from the beginning. Also, as I have just received notice, the peoples of Mornclaur have flocked outdoors to pay honor to their Lord, and are never more supportive of myself then now. For a o now there is a place of Education in every city, town, or village. Medical care is unrivaled, and recent harvest have exceeded the capacity of the newly built Granaries. Trade between lands is at an all time peak, and great avenues are complete from one land to another, and there is a great avenue from Dunwain and the very eastern shore, through Oslaur, to the southern most shore. Also excellent breakthroughs have been made in the production of weaponry. Public sentiment is so great that wherever you may go there are great banners and statues! Also, let it be known that henceforth the Order of Mormundo shall be instated, awarded to those who have shown outstanding Bravery and Devotion in the Face of Death or Doom in the Name of the Dark Lord!"

[Snaga]

Lord Gonnilclaur rose in reply saying:

'My lord, this award will indeed be an honor for whoever it is given to, and I recommend the captain of the Easterlings who led his men with great discipline in recent events.

'I would also like to let all those assembled know that we have concluded our count of the peoples of northwest of the Mornclaur Federation, and of our armies. My lord will forgive me for a partial report... for the lands of south Harad, and the lands east of Rhun are wide and vast; and their peoples are countless.

'Here is the count:

Land------------Population-Armies
Mordor----------440,000----15,000 cavalry; 75,000 orcs; 5,000 olog-hai
Harandor---------55,000-----6,000 infantry
Near Harad------230,000----28,000 cavalry
Umbar-----------150,000----10,000 infantry, 72,000 naval
Harad-----------340,000----27,000 cavalry / infantry; 5,000 olog-hai
Khand------------88,000----10,000 cavalry; 5,000 orcs
Brown Lands------40,000----20,000 orcs
Dol Guldur-------22,000----20,000 orcs
Balchoth Lands--165,000----20,000 infantry
Dorwinion-------300,000----30,000 mixed
Near Rhun-------600,000----60,000 mixed
Forodwaith--------5,000-----5,000 orcs

'For clarity, let me add that these should not be considered the positions of these troops: these matters a