Any one else want to hurl?

[I.am.Smeagol]

Okay, I have seen FotR 5 times. I have seen the 3.5 min preview once in the theatre, and about 10 times on my computer.

Each time I see it, I feel sicker to my stomach. Am I the only one anticipating TTT with dread? I know I will see TTT, most likely more than once, because it’s an attempt at Tolkien’s works, and some of FotR was really cool. But still, I cringe at the thought.

How dare PJ take such liberties with Tolkien’s masterpieces? Why is Arwen lying there in a death like state? Why does Eoywn fence with Aragorn and win? Why is the fact that Aragorn is the king to be amplified and such a big deal made of it?

Don’t get me wrong. I think it is great that PJ made the books into a movie, but I’m looking at them with a love/hate relationship kinda thing. Even as one who read the books after seeing FotR, it makes me want to gag at what was done to these books.

Arg....

[lilhobo]

Originally posted by I.am.Smeagol

How dare PJ take such liberties with Tolkien’s masterpieces? Why is Arwen lying there in a death like state? Why does Eoywn fence with Aragorn and win? Why is the fact that Aragorn is the king to be amplified and such a big deal made of it?


Arg....

i think it will be very good but i think it will be too "medeaval" for me. Its suposed to be a fantasy world of elves and orcs, NOT King Arthur's realm of christianity.....

i think PJ will play eowyn off against arwen, in a love-duel.....and comparing Arwen's sacrifice to be mortal.

However, nothing wrong with Aragorn eventually being made the King thats he was born to be :D now we know why Sauron was so fearful he let down his guard so frodo can get to mordor


PS...seen it 5 times and havent seen the trailer at the cinema

[Thorin]

I think that the Arwen thing might be some sort of prophetic "flash-foward" of what her fate will be because of her love for Aragorn.

I bet that it will also be very brief, but of course PJ just feels the need to have to put a minor character doing fabricated things into a trailer where there could be time better spent covering the factual things..

Oh, and of course that they have to justify putting Liv Tyler in somewhere.....:rolleyes:

I'm with you IAS concerning my apprehension on TTT. It doesn't help when PJ is recorded as saying that he will be putting a bunch of his own stuff in to give it a "fresh" outlook on it, and that there isn't enough stuff in TTT to make a movie out of it.....:rolleyes:

[ReadWryt]

i think it will be very good but i think it will be too "medeaval" for me. Its suposed to be a fantasy world of elves and orcs, NOT King Arthur's realm of christianity.....

Uto, this is a sign of the end times isn't it? Lilhobo and I agree on something..

[lilhobo]

heheheh....didnt we agree on the aragorn fudge thingie??? anyways, tis time to release the harad genie, methinks???:p

[Isilme]

I actually don't mind that Arwen is being put more into the movie. I didn't quite understand her role in the books besides being Aragorns lover.
Anyways if I want to drag some of my guy friends along to the movies, there always has to be some good looking girl in them :rolleyes:

[Sam_Gamgee]

it does look really midievil which i would rather have it more like the orginal but if you noticed they didn't show the ents in the preview or of pippin and merry with the orcs i think it will in reality be less medievil then was shown in the preview and i sure hope so

[Talierin]

One thing that's been bugging me about the movies is that they're way too 'celtic' looking in the way of prop/costume decoration and whatnot. Rivendell and Lothlorien were alright, at least they were kinda Art Nouveau-ish (which is what I usually imagine elven art to look kinda like), but as for the other races, places, etc., I saw way too many celtic knots. Take Meduseld for example. I used to have a bunch of pics of it, and the entire thing is covered in knots. It's rather gaudy, in fact. I wonder what Tolkien would have said, since he despised celtic stuff....

Okay, done with my little rant.:)

[Aerin]

In the pictures I've seen of Edoras, there seem to be a great number of "celtic knots". What I realized was that the village looked an awful lot like an "old-fashioned Viking village". One must keep in mind that the Vikings did invade what is now the UK, and yes, they did take Irish people back with them to Scandinavia. That's why Norse and Celtic designs are so similar and even some of their stories resemble each other.

In the book, didn't the Rohirrim seem rather like Vikings? They did to me; except they didn't have the ships. ;)

[Goldberry]

Originally posted by Aerin

In the book, didn't the Rohirrim seem rather like Vikings? They did to me; except they didn't have the ships. ;)

I thought of them as the Saxons.

[Isilme]

nope they didn't strike me as anything but what they were suppose to be.

[purplechic144]

I freaked out too when i saw this woman on her death-bed, and then when i saw she appeared to be Arwen, but we all (or most of us) know how the love triangle ends, and it's not with the death of Arwen, so rest at ease, PJ wouldn't change it THAT much, i don't mind the added scenes with Arwen in FOTR, and i don't think i will in TTT either, there needs to be some time to breathe.

[Gloer]

Tolkiens view of anglo-saxons. You know the folks that inhabited the england arround 500 A.D. and were germanic in cultural origin. Tolkien imagined that they would have been riding on horseback. The Romans and the britons had carriages. So riding on horse-back was something the saxons brought with them.

And I think saonsa were a lot like the vikings culturally: proud, independed, bonded by tribes and emotion, not dicipline and order.

Tacitus describes the Germanic people capable of forming fearless fighting units from scratch, naturally bonded together by loyality to the man next to you. This was compared to Roman manipulus and cohorts, trained and diciplined to fight in formation. The legions were suoperior only because the tribal army could never agree on larger manouvers, but then larger manouvers were not possible in the forrests of Germania.

OK. I think there is a lot of ROman in the Gondorians and a lot of German in the Rohirrim. And the ORcs are the Huns. The Romans and Germans beat the Huns together in Catalaunis 475 AD. (not sure of the date) - a lot like Pellenor fields.

I myself always thought of the Rohirrim as the Hungarians - and the Gondorians as the Austrians. Wien as MInas Tirith and the Turks are the bad guys... but that must be too late since it was 17th century.

[Mu-phex]

Tolkein had many many mythological influences, and I did my major at uni on his works, influences and interpretation.

Hell we gotta lot of Norse mythology in there (most influences as far as I can see taken from North European Mythology), can anyone else see Beowolf in there?

But as an Brit, as much as he might have wanted to shy away from Celtic Mythology it just ain't gonna happen. We are steeped in history here, we try to get on and be all modern and Americanised, but the point is we live in a land where you can drive for thirty minutes from the middle of the country to the middle of nowwhere, and in Tolkeins day it would have been less.

Our Landscape in unique, check out Snowdonia, check out the Western coast of Scotland (for hundreds of miles you'll come accross small villages with 100 - 200 people and be driving on what might as well be a dirt-track), and whenever yopu stop there it is, an unmistable Celtic, British, Scottish (whatever you wanna call it), landscape that just stretches to ininify with no-one else around. And that is what influences him, the landscape the history. It's beautiful man. You never know who's stood in the spot you're in, a Roman Legionare, (almost certain where I am typing at the moment, I live within the city walls (built by the Romans) in chester), Shakespeare (been outside his house, very well might have come here, point is you are constantly treading on what is "conscious" history in that it has been documented.

History and the faith there-in drove him. He is Celtic (that's where that came from) and he is an academic (hence the other religious influence).

Point I made from my project was that you can over analyse why sdomebodies written something, you can get too into the author, at the end of the day you have to analyse the work intself, that is the only thing that matters, sod influences, sod critique, sod Russian Formalism, sod Marxist Criticism, DOES IT TAKE YOU SOMEHWERE ELSE< DOES IT CAPTIVATE YOU< DO YOU BELIEVE IN WHAT IS WRITTEN (if the last is true and you suspencd your disbelieve and get swallowed into the story and are unaware of the author as a story teller then any authors objective is acheived.

Sorry babling again iof ya wanna post a response then cool, healthy debate is good debate!

[Mu-phex]

Just a little follow on:

I myself am an author so sorts. My short stories have been published(to complete apathy!!!! Hahaha) and I publish music (get played in the culbs I like, make not very much money from it, except for the cudos (sorry it's late I'm high and spelling has gone to pot), point is I have work out there that can be analysed, but I'd rather it wasn't I'd rather those that got something from it read ot listened to it and those that didn't....well stopped reading/listening to me. Any of their coments are accepted, hell it's art you need feedback, but when you let yourself go to critical analysis and stop striving for a vision then anything you have to do is rubbish. It has to come from the heart, from the soul, and it's findinf that place that moment of serenity and complete freedom of vision that is important, and Tolkein had that for years and years....that is what marks him above Shakespeare in my opinion, above Chaucer, their works were small, based on a moments inspiration and a fortnights toil, Tolkeins work is based upon a lifetimes inspiraton and planning.

It is a work that takes you into the mind of a man that has studied and understands the god legends, a man who understands the very essence of gods, heroes and ultimate villians, it is the very essence of our being (good versus evil, don't we all struggle with that concept day on day, in what we eat, eat we drink, what we do, how we interact with others????). But it gives us the package, nicely wrapped, Frodo, fighting against addiction (kinda relevant today people?) to the ring, struggling to find his place amongst his peers (dont we all question how we fit in, and don't we all feel that we kinda don't and are the odd cog in a machine of much stronger psrts, don't we all feel that others are handling the situation better than us).

Point is this, it is only a book, but what a book, it takes us away from our everyday lives by taking us to another world entirely, but one that in the U.K. we can touch, a freedom we can reach by getting to the country. It takes our mind to a point where we can examine what we are what we feel, 9are we Frodo striving, almost unwillingly through the challenges that present us, or are we Aragon, taking charge of our situation and challenging what we want, what others want of uus and shaping our destiny ( the Hobbits aren't dimunuitive for no reason they represent the BRitish attitude, we are too closed to change and adventuire, get with the Americans, sod mortgages, sod, pensions, just have fun whilst you can, then come back and re-evaluate stuff).

God so much from a book....and I haven't even seen the film yet!

[Mu-phex]

Watching the film as we speak........and what a film........the vision and the settin gis perfect, Gandalf and SSaluman ( sorry for the spelling i know it's wrong!) are perfect, the darkness, the hopelessness, is superb, the dark brooding tower, lit only by night, Frodo's innocence is almost too much....will post more as i see more, the first posting as the film is watched for the first time???? In real time????

[Mu-phex]

was trying to post the reaction to the film on the first viewing as it happened, unfotunately my P.C. threw a wobbly so lost about two pages of text....not that you'd mind probably....but I am bloody amazed..... currently at the last fight scene....I presume....the big troll creature....sorry I've lost touch with the indiviual names of the creatures/characters....been eight years since I re3ad my favourite book last.....Aragon....NOOOOOOO.....God no it's stabbed Frodo.....Gandalf is now doing some massive ****....sweet the elf got him....Dead dude!

Good on ya legolas!


Mithril Silver....Superb....it's amazing how much you forget!

Get on....

What a film....

What effects

he hordes of sauron....nasty creatures

backing off..."what is this new devily?" - Boromir

**** it's the Balrog!

Run away run away (in a monty python styleee)

The bridge is near.......Gandlaf-swords are no longer of use here.

Oh Dear it's looking bad for them....

Christ the Orcs are well done

The elves....!!!!

Beautiful... serene....true and omnipotent....kinda makes you wonder why they didn't forsee and stop the rise of the dark....or if they did why they did nothing about it....

God they'realmost god like....

Boromir is breaking....he's there for us that feel tat we aren't in control but get carried along throughout life....he wants something more...he's waiting for the lords of Gondor to return...waiting for something spiritual, dedicating his life to that rasther than living in the present....is that a question for society...do we live for the now....or plan for the future...coz at my age (26), it feels like a very real life choice....do I take the career....or do I take the experience and jack having a house, pension etc for a life well live????

Don't like that dark eye man....scary!

Galadriel is totally right, totally right....Power corrupts evryone......Galadriel is pure...but has to be naished....has to go to the west.....to the gods land....where Bilbo will eventually be granted to....Even the smallest person can change the course of the future...."poinient"!

The Porr orcs....a species not evil...but taken in by the evil lords (saruman and saurun) to do their bidding...god dammit they are pawns in the game....not intrinsically bad, just made so!"

Boromir has come good....he's proved his allegance to Frodo....beautiful!

Christ forgottn how much ther was in the Fellowhip....how much more is there?

Man Elrond and Gimli are kicking arse!

Sam and Frodo cornered....Legolas to the rescue!!!! iN FINE STYKLE
Oh **** big troll


Legolas Dead?

But not before he's taken two arrows and despatched an orc....then three then two more orcs....god he's virtually dead on his feet...go on sam...lad...go for it...then the dark forces ride past...but one final orc stops....and Boromir tackles the chap....christ lots of dead bodies...OH **** THE LITTLE ONES HAVE GONE

Boromir and Legolas bond.......brothers....Legolas...pasees.....christ I'm in tears typing! Gimli bows....hang on it is Gimli in Lord of The rings no the hobbit...innit?

Frodo Tempted by the ring.....resist resist.....

Don't cry Frodo....Gandalf is with you (ahem in kinda the way Obi wan (don't I know it was written way before...but it's a good analogy!!!!)was with luke in an advisory capacity).


Sam don't drown!!!!

sam mate swim!

The light is fading...Frodos hand appears...all is well...on a boat...miles away from home....Sam professing his loyalto to Frodo....a genuine love between two chaps for what the other is...a very rare thing......

Letgolas body going over the fall...


PLEASE NOTE THAT LEGOLAS MENTIONED ABOVE IS NOT ACTUALLY LEGOLAS, LEGOLAS LIVES, think in my inebriated state that it's Boromir that's bitten it.....

Christ they're at Mordor already!!!!!
Did they get that far in the original book????

Surely thereslots to go on with Gandalf becoming gandalf the whitet that hasn't been done, and the whole ent thingy before mordor?

Anyway, very high now, bvery happy with the translation, hope I haven't pee'd too many people off with my drunken ramblings, just wanted to preserve my feelings about the film adaptation as I watche dit.....kinda an essay in progress if you wish!

[Theoden]

I agree that it's hard to look forward to the TT without some dread because you know what the real thing is... and you know what really happened. But that wouldn't work for a movie so PJ had to make some changes. I just hope he didn't ruin it.

Poor Aragorn!
:)

Originally posted by Isilme
I actually don't mind that Arwen is being put more into the movie. I didn't quite understand her role in the books besides being Aragorns lover.
Anyways if I want to drag some of my guy friends along to the movies, there always has to be some good looking girl in them :rolleyes: Cute!

[Talimon]

Am I the only one who is actually eager to see TTT?

I think I am going to enjoy TTT leagues more then FotR. You see, with Fellowship it was an issue of getting over the changes and really enjoying what was there. Once you do that you realize there is this incredibly good movie under it all. With TTT my expectations have changed completely. That's not to say they have lowered, however. If anything they are higher. I am no longer expecting PJ to stick right on to Tolkien, and as such I will enjoy my first viewing 10 times more.

[CyberGhostface]

Although Jackson changed many things in FotR, it seems I have a mental filter in my head because I never get mad at adaptions after seeing Kubricks attempt at a horror film.

[lilhobo]

Originally posted by Talimon
Am I the only one who is actually eager to see TTT?

I think I am going to enjoy TTT leagues more then FotR. You see, with Fellowship it was an issue of getting over the changes and really enjoying what was there. Once you do that you realize there is this incredibly good movie under it all. With TTT my expectations have changed completely. That's not to say they have lowered, however. If anything they are higher. I am no longer expecting PJ to stick right on to Tolkien, and as such I will enjoy my first viewing 10 times more.

thats what i thought i wanted to do with FOTR too, but i made the mistake of coming here and listening to all your whinings and made the movie worse :D

it was a good movie that should have been better spaced with TTT, but since they squashed it all in FOTR, now TTT will be a purely adventure and romance movie, which will suit most people

[Talimon]

"Whining"? Sorry, I try not to.

I don't see what they "squished" into FotR. If anything they left stuff out, which will be touched upon in TTT. I have read quotes from both PJ and Christopher Lee saying that TTT will be a much better movie and will have much more charachter development.

[purplechic144]

They say that Shelob won't even make an appearance until RotK, which makes me kinda wonder what RotK will be like, they'll have alot to finish up in for one movie. But I'm really looking forward to TT, all Helm's Deep debates aside, the extra time to develop the characters will be very much appreciated by me. The preview in theaters that I saw is driving me crazy!!! And I can't watch it on my computer because well, my computer is stupid, so all I have is the one time I saw it. But I am beginning to think that I will enjoy TT better than FotR, because in FotR there was alot of action sequences without much break (even though there had to be for the story, it was still ALOT for a movie) and now it won't be too over-actioned packed just because the point of the story TT's at ... I don't know how much sense I'm making, I apologize, but I think you can understand my just.



P.S. Just curious, is any one in the LotR Fan Club? I'm thinking about joining but it costs money and I want to be sure about it, is it any good??

[Smokey]

I'm not gonna pass judgement on the movie till it comes out.

[King of Gondor.]

The thing that I didn't like about the movie was that they portreyed (sp?) Arwen as being some great "warrior" princess when she really didn't have much of a part at all, and especially not a warrior! Also they made Frodo out as a wimp. Not at all like in the books. In the books he was a young courages Hobbit. Don't get me wrong it was a good movie, but it had some parts that needed adjusting.
King of Gondor.:cool:

[unearthly16]

Talierin:

The movies are very Celtic in feel because the books were that way. The books were basically a mythology for Great Britain, Ireland, and Scandinavia. I see no reason for that fell to be gone from the movies.

[Ariana Undomiel]

I am personally looking forward to The Two Towers with a great deal of anticipation. Granted there will be more changes from the book as it transitions into the film. But hey, when movie that has ever been made from a book as been perfect. You have to expect changes whenever they make the film. I think the scen where Arwen is laying on her couch with a death like appearance may be showing the viewers a bit of what it was like for her to be parted from the love of her life and the man she has given up her immortality for. That is a heavy load to bear! The part with Eowyn fencing with Aragorn does look a bit odd, but didn't it look odd to us when we first saw Arwen caring Frodo on the horse? I mean weren't any of you, like me, going what the hey? But then when we actually saw it on the film, it turned out to be very well done indeed! From everything I have seen, the return of Gandalf, the glimpse of Treebeard, the aged king Theoden, the slimy Wormtongue and much much more, I think we have a real treat lying in store for us.

~Ariana