Grey Mountains: Declaration of Independence

[Snaga]

Snaga sat in a deep place of the earth, blackness surrounded his throne, for in that great hall no light would come. And in that time, he thought and he took counsel.

So it is said that in the Grey Mountains that the orcs are subject to Dain Ironfoot? And the chieftains of the orcs spoke bitterly, saying his rule had never profited them. ‘He loves the filthy beardlings of the Iron Hills, and the ragtag of the White Mountains of the south. Us he would hunt like animals, curse him! And so he did until you came Lord Gonnilclaur.’

And Snaga on his journeys had studied lorebooks as he could find, and he saw that it was true. For all the writings told how Dain had led his folk to kill the orcs with great slaughter.

So he sat and he brooded on this. And he concealed his thoughts, and undertook great works – some in secret, some less so.

And Dain had taken a great force of orcs from him, and led them away. Would they be returned? He did not know. For though he was called a general of the Grey Mountains, Dain would have none make a choice or a decision without his agreement, for his will, it was plain, was to be rather Ironclaw or Ironhoof trampling all beneath him. Even his own son fared no better.

And it was in this time, that three great underground delvings named Lugbúbhosh, Durbundûm and Carglukang were completed. And these were secret, strong and labyrinthine, wherein a great mustering of forces could take place. Devious in their concealment, mighty in their defense: scarcely to be taken by the greatest armies of the world, were there any there to defend them. For all the dark crafts learnt in the East, and all the ancient machinery of the orcs of old were bound together with the living stone of the mountains, to make these bastions surpassing any orc-hold of old.

Moreover, he drove his folk to delve ever swifter, and deeper, but also driving to the west, until a highway ran to Mount Gundabad, and in secret were the forces of the Grey Mountains strengthened.

It was in this time that Snaga learnt the truth about Dain. Until that time, he had thought him a mere dwarf: proud, haughty, avaricious as were many of his kind. But now it proved otherwise. For it was learnt that he was some foul unnatural creature, merely in dwarven-shape to lead those miserable creatures astray. And yet lying, he took the name of the House of Durin. Snaga learnt that he was in fact the unnatural progeny of a dragon and some other twisted spirit of some kind. And at this news he shook. But it was with rage. For the offspring of a dragon of Morgoth, should not make alliances with the men of the West, nor lead dwarves in fighting the orcs. Yet such had he done.

And he brooded on all this, and he took counsel, and he turned it over in the dark recesses of his mind. And he decided.

He sent a messenger forth, Ugronk the Bold, who met the returning armies of Dain, as they marched up the Anduin, returning from Rohan. Just north of Lorien he came upon them: elves and men of Elessar, and dwarves of Dain Ironfoot, and amongst them a group of 3,000 orcs. Tired and weary, and sickening they were Ugronk saw at once, for Dain made them march in the light with the rest of that company. The dwarves clutched their axes, at the sight of the approaching uruk, but he showed them his palms, to show them he was not there to fight. And he approached Dain and unrolled a scroll, without a word.

Dain watched the orc with displeasure. And the orc read aloud from the scroll, taking pleasure in the words, though the sound of his voice was harsh and loud to those around:

Dain Ironfoot, ruler of the Khazum Kingdoms – hear ye this:

As thou hast oppressed and abused the orcish people of the Grey Mountains;
And as thou hast lived thy life in deceitful shape against thy nature;
And as thou art unnatural progeny of dragon, and yet are traitor to the cause of thy kind;
And as thou wouldst keep all those in Khazum servile under thy hoof

Gonnilclaur of the Grey Mountains, makes this Declaration of Independence:

Article 1. The orcs of the Grey Mountains, take their land for their own to be ruled by themselves according to themselves and none other, and by the will of those they call their leader. From this day forward shall this realm be a free land for the orcs, and I, Gonnilclaur shall rule.

Article 2. You and your dwarven slaves, whose shape you cravenly hide in, are barred from these lands forever. Whomsoever of your people should trespass within its bounds, shall die.

Article 3. Those armies of orcs that you have stolen from the Grey Mountains you shall return, immediately and in their entirety. These shall be placed in the command of the messenger before you, and shall be allowed to leave at once and unmolested.

Article 4. As an token of friendship, it is demanded that the fell weapon Orcrist, that lies in Erebor, and that was ever a symbol of the injustices of our people should be melted down and destroyed. Should this be done, and subject to all the provisions above, the Grey Mountains will drop forever their claim for reparations, and will agree a treaty of peace.

So say I, Gonnilclaur, Urukgush, Lord of the Orcs of the North, on behalf of all the peoples of the Grey Mountains. Speak now!

And the orcs cheered and howled their pleasure, clashing spears and swords against their shields. But the dwarves muttered angrily, and the elves and men of Elessar were uneasy. All eyes fell on Dain.

[Ciryaher]

I--Ciryaher Penngristion Hyarmendacil III, Emperor of Arnor--doth with this document recognize the sovereignity of the Orkish lands in and about the Grey Mountains.

The Empire of Arnor extends its hand in peace and alliance to the newly created land to her north-east (shall there be a name for this new state decided upon soon?).

Signed
His Imperial Majesty

~Ciryaher Hyarmendacil III

[Dain Ironfoot]

ok....... what is this??? First you bust into my council and demand to know about the orks of my kingom, so I tell you "We have sent them to the grey mountains and if you be willing I will let you govern them." I never mudered orks, if I was atacked then I kill my atackies but never murder. Second, I cleared out all of the dragons and Drakes from the mountains so you and your people could live in peace. A little tip, my army out numbers yours 4-1, But in this time of war I need to talk with a real council to see if I should meet your demands or.......... well I can not be held responsible for the other course of action..

[Snaga]

And Ugronk replied saying 'Consider well, but quickly. For I am commanded to lead these orcs to their lands, if you say yes. If you say no, I will return and convey your message. I trust you will not assail an ambassador.'

And he retired to a place some small distance away to await an answer. And the leader of the orc battalion went with him, to understand more.

[SpencerC18]

Message to Lord Snaga from Gandlin

With all due respect, Lord. How can any of the goodly peoples trust any offer of peace with you. Orcs have always been a chaotic force that no one has been able to be at peace with. I'm sure you will understand my hastiness, considering the facts. I await your reply.

[EverEve]

Snaga, I see this as a bad move. You ask for land to govern, and it was given to you willingly, yet you openly defy the one who gives you a home and an army. Then you demand independance, land, ban others of the same Kingdom, and then you want the Orcrist burned as a token of friendship. But what makes this worse is the fact that you are betraying not just Dain, but even your own orcs. Were there an attack on the Grey Mountains, there is no doubt in my mind that you what have recieved help from the rest of the Kazum-Kingdoms. To deny your own people and race protection as strong and mighty as this, is folly. Before you rushed into something like this, your opinions would have been heard at the Senate of Kazum-Kingdoms. These are my opinions, and I will stand by them.

~*EverEve of Iron Hills*~

[Khamul]

Lord Drygo, Governor of Khand and Ostmor will support Snaga in whatever stance he proceeds to take on this issue. He assigned to rule his people, and orcs do not willingly serve any other than orcs. I will stand by him in war or peace.

----------------Drygo-----------------

[Dain Ironfoot]

no really, that is why I let Snaga GOVERN, so orks could be goverened by themselves..........

[Khamul]

Governing and ruling have many differences. His orcs wish to be left in peace, with no one who could doubt or change any decisions that they choose. They wish for freedom. The issue is not about any measure of oppression you have given them, if any at all, it is about the right of a nation. Shall you let them be subject to those who have killed their kindred time and time again. They wish for freedom, and the right to do as they please.

[Snaga]

All your words are but to say 'be grateful for what I deign to give you... for I could have given you less!'

But I suppose some recognition that you allow an orc to govern the orcs... since you do not afford that to the dwarves under your yoke. Man, elf, or dragon-spawn... but not one dwarf rules in your land!

But come! Where is your answer? If you dither thus, were we under your so-called protection, we might wait weeks before you came to our aid! Or perhaps you wish to beg for other terms? But do not tire me with whining that the tides of fortune are unkind to you!

I name you Iron-Hoof but Lily-Will! Speak! The hour grows long.

[Dain Ironfoot]

Ironhoof.... what are you 7doubles now? Well once again I shall say that I have never brutaly "Killed" any ork. I shal also state that I only kill orks that atack me FIRST!!!

Well I am still in council yet it doen't look good for you........

~Dain

[¤-Elessar-¤]

So, I guess that land near Lorien didn't work out so well, snaga? I told you that noone wanted it. This move is foolish, at best. You are rebelling against an ally of Mornclaur, in case you didn't know.

And, there were a few statments that deserve a rebutle
-There is 1 person who claims to be a dwarf in this forum, Telchar, and he alone cannot rule all of the dwarves.

-All parts of Dain's Kingdom have been given the same protection and the same consideration. Your little province seems to have used quite a bit of his governments money in the building of those cities, and those roads, and he never once objected to it. I sugest you thank him for his kindness

-Sting, orcs wish for no peace, no freedom, in fact, the only thing that keeps them sane and able to process a thought is the malice and hatred implanted in them by Melkor of old, and indeed they have had to suffer with the will of others since his downfall, Sauron mainly. But now they have Goroth, one who has turned from evil for the most part, which should, if I am not mistaken, leave orcs pitiful dwellers of caves and dark places, with a lack of hatred for anyone or anything.

Consider this, you backstabbing fool

[Tar-Ancalime]

Hey...as orcs go...snaga1 is not that bad...I know a few orcs.

[Snaga]

So while the king dithers, the court jester speaks!

The orcs have built their stronghold through their own efforts, not with the riches of Dain the Unnatural, that he stole from the House of Durin. Indeed, he gave the orcs so little heed that they would indeed be condemned to bepitiful dwellers of caves and dark places - the fate you clearly wish to consign us to.

But at least I can thank you El Lesser, for stabbing me in the front. How is your northern border?

So you are clear: the next time I post on this thread will be to lead the orc army back north. Since you show little desire of doing what is right, and since your friend here keeps sabre-rattling, this is no more than a sensible precaution.

(Gracious queen of Mordor... my thanks! What better character reference could an orc ask for?)

[¤-Elessar-¤]

ok, first, we all know that Tar is a nutcase, so nothing she says counts :p

And I will have you know that I am no jester of Dain's court. And any attempt of you to try and fight the dwarves would not only end in ruin, but you would probabaly run back to the coat tails of the Lord Goroth. Indeed, you may say that Orcs can fight just as well as Dwarves in the underground, but we all know that that is false. Tolkien never once made the fighting talents of the orcs anywhere near that of any other race, their only strength is in their numbers, numbers which Dain defined when they were a part of his kingdom. And those pethetic numbers don't even match those of the dwarves. You are hopelessly outnumbered and outmached.

You can continue to name-call and say things that have no relevence and no truth, or you can play my game, and give us a fact or two.

[Khamul]

Originally posted by ¤-Elessar-¤


-Sting, orcs wish for no peace, no freedom, in fact, the only thing that keeps them sane and able to process a thought is the malice and hatred implanted in them by Melkor of old, and indeed they have had to suffer with the will of others since his downfall, Sauron mainly. But now they have Goroth, one who has turned from evil for the most part, which should, if I am not mistaken, leave orcs pitiful dwellers of caves and dark places, with a lack of hatred for anyone or anything.


You assume much ¤Elessar¤. I have long worked with orcs as mere soldiers and craftsmen, but you doubt the strength and the evilness of members of the Mornclaur Federation. We have long breeded orcs and Wargs in secret, they are now strong, and powerful. They rival not men, but in numbers, they can defeat the Dwarves. I shall support my friend and ally Snaga, as he would support me in war.

[Dain Ironfoot]

so you are saying that id envolves the mornclaur Federation?? Well this is a twist of events..but you doubt the strength and the evilness of the Mornclaur Federation.

[Khamul]

My mistake, it has been members of it. Not, the whole Federation.

[Dain Ironfoot]

I believe that this is no mistake, or mabey a mistake that favors me??? And I have a network of spys, I know things.....

[Khamul]

Think what you must Dain. Put confidence in whoever you deem. Have not some betrayed you before? There are many who could prove unfaithful. Your sources do not know or see all.

[Dain Ironfoot]

I see you edited your post!! how predictable.....

[Khamul]

I messed up, and would you not correct a mistake that could mislead others?

[Snaga]

And Ugronk returned, saying unto Dain:

'You have had your time.

'You debate endlessly with anyone who listen, but have naught to say. But our Declaration of Independence needs no assent from you, for it is not a request made on bended knee. The independence of the Grey Mountains is fact, whether you see it or not.

'All we have asked of you is this: we bid you to destroy one orcs-bane as a gesture of good-will and peace, and we bid you respect our boundaries: you and your people. To say nothing is to say everything. It is clear: you do not wish peace with us. What else could be expected from such as you?

'However it will not be added to your crimes, that you turned the orcs against each other. So I take now these our soldiers, and return them to their own land: a free land.'

And at this the orcs cheered and howled their approval. 'Uruk gimbatuluk!'

Ugronk barked a single command in the Black Speech, and they began to move, jostling and barging their way past elf, dwarf and men, jeering as they went. 'Good bye golugpush skai! Die stinking tarks and orsa-hai of Elessar-dug! Dain u bagronk sha pushdug!' Northwards was his route, and bats fluttered in the darkening skies above them.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

*Elessar notched an arrow and it flew true. It hit the shoulder of Ugronk. Ugronk cursed and turned to face the threat. From over the dust of the moving army he heard a voice, like sweet music over the roughness of that of the orcs, that shouted, "Shall you decide to call my lord a stinking dungpit again and you will feel your chin rest on your feet,
lat duump-snaga-ob! lat ub-matt-ob albai!

[Snaga]

Elessar notched an arrow and it flew true. It hit the shoulder of Ugronk. Ugronk cursed and turned to face the threat. And the bats in the sky departed. And news of this act was heard in many quarters.

But the army did not halt in its course.

[Tar-Ancalime]

ummm....elessar I would not talk..first you cross me...my husband is oft beside me afterwords.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Tar, where in hell do you think those bats went? They went to your great husband. Do you think I care? Well...I DONT! I know that he want's my lands, and I know that he would be at least a little reluctant to start a war with me. Especially over an argument between an orc and a man. That arrow was a token of disrespect, showing that I had more than the chance to kill the individual, but by my graces that individual was allowed to live.

[Snaga]

That arrow was an assault on a diplomat. It was an act of war. Reap the whirlwind.

[Tar-Ancalime]

Fine Elessar!*tar rides off* arent you an opionated person today

[¤-Elessar-¤]

a return assault on a diplomat, a diplomat who overstepped his pety authority. He insulted a King, not only that, but a part Maiar part Dragon. He is lucky I did that before Dain got back and could translate that.

[Snaga]

You are wrong. It was the troops who were jeering that.

In any case to use violence against a verbal insult is not what one would expect from the true heir of Aragorn. Truly the House of Telcontar has lost its dignity!

[EverEve]

One could hardly blame him, Snaga. And besides, he could of done a lot worse. If you want to speak of the loss of dignity on anyone's part, perhaps you should think of the other possible outcomes if it had been someone else shooting that arrow...

[Snaga]

Indeed? Of course in the Khazum Kingdom's orcs are only there to be shot at. Hardly surprising that its leaders behave in such a manner.

[EverEve]

Who, may I ask, ever made a direct reference to that thought?

[Dain Ironfoot]

Sting, your biggest allie so far Snaga may be having a problem with his girl friend.... I also would like to add the fact that I shall NOT melt the great Orcrist, yet I shal now wield it in battle and drive it threw your Orcish flesh bags.....

[Tar-Ancalime]

Originally posted by snaga1
You are wrong. It was the troops who were jeering that.

In any case to use violence against a verbal insult is not what one would expect from the true heir of Aragorn. Truly the House of Telcontar has lost its dignity!

:D :D :D , did'ya hear that Elessar!

[Snaga]

Originally posted by Dain Ironfoot
Sting, your biggest allie so far Snaga may be having a problem with his girl friend.... I also would like to add the fact that I shall NOT melt the great Orcrist, yet I shal now wield it in battle and drive it threw your Orcish flesh bags..... Indeed? We shall see.

But at least it becomes clear that you have no objection to disturbing the grave of Thorin Oakenshield to remove the sword. At least all will know that was not your objection with my request. No indeed. All can see that you did not wish for peace.

For why should an unnatural imposter care about the honor of the House of Durin? Dain the Grave-robber you shall be!

[Dain Ironfoot]

Grave robber I am not! Twas removed years ago in a horrid earthquake when all tombs were disturbed. It now hanges in the great hall..... but not for long...

[Snaga]

News to everyone I am sure!Originally posted by Elessar
Elessar turned to Lord Dain, and spoke in a level voice, the voice of a battle wise soldier. "Mylord, do not give them chase. Three thousand orcs are easily slain, and we can do that another time. They would had known that we would give chase, and will have a trap lain our for us. For now I say we cross the river, and take my new road the rest of the way north. I have also been reminded of a great weapon, the sword Orcrist...it may be time we payed dear old Thorin a visit... Including your court jester it seems. Are his jests are so bad you do not permit him to entertain you in your hall?

Or perhaps you are telling a convenient lie? No surprise from one who, deceiving all, pretended to be a dwarf for so long.

Nevertheless, the Urukgush of the North is calm. I make you an offer. Spare 'your' people. I will accept your unconditional surrender, for unnecessary slaughter would be unwise. Think carefully!

[Ciryaher]

I say now that all of Arnor's legions are prepared for war against Kazum and it's allies who choose to fight. I stand neither before nor behind the orcs, but beside them. Differences of the past can be overlooked to finally accomplish that which has been waited long for...

[¤-Elessar-¤]

And it seems, once again, that Arnor will step beyond it's bounds.

I was mistaken, I had not yet been to the Lonely Mountain, and did not know of the removal of the sword.

No, the house of Telcontar has rightful pride. A pride they, and I, have earned by running down the pathetic scum of Melkor like yourself.

Be wary of things you think yours, for they shall be used agianst you. And be wary of things of mine, for they, too, shall be used against you.

[Telchar]

All gates and passes through the Misty Mountains are now closed, no one may enter without my premision(sp?)! All armed forces are to be ready.

[Dain Ironfoot]

OK...... Cir, this does not concern you, an idependence scwabble between my city states does NOT concern you in ANY way, unless this is just another way for you to get revenge on elessar.......

[EverEve]

*Whispers to Telchar "You spell it 'permission'!"* Cir, you often step across the line, and I believe that this is another one of those times. What happens in Lord Dain's kingdom is no one buts the Kazum Kingdom's business, and you would do better to learn when to keep your mouth shut ans stay out of the business of others.

[Ciryaher]

I have every right to come to the aid of an oppressed nation upon my northeastern border, and I shall regardless of whether you flap your empty heads or not.

This solidifies my decision, and Arnor is now entering this completely.

It is unfortunate that the Naugrim have such complete idiots for their leaders. I wonder how they could ever submit to outsiders...

[EverEve]

I would watch who you call an idiot Cir, its not a very nice word. You are more than welcome to come to the aid of a oppressed nation, but I state again: Stay out of this. No one was being oppressed here, and if that was the way Snaga felt, than he should have brought it to our attention in the Senate.

[Aerin]

If Snaga had brought the complaint of Orcish oppression to light in the Senate, would you have listened to their plea for an independent government?

I am not pointing fingers, but it does seem that EverEve is the one who is "stepping across the line". If you have not already noted, Ciryaher is the Emperor of Arnor, and is one of, if not the, most powerful forces in Middle Earth. By "keeping his mouth shut", he would lose not only his allies, but also the respect of other leaders in M-e.
Don't get me wrong, I am remaining neutral in this matter, but I do not want to merely stand by as insults are hurled.

I ask you this, Dain: Why does it bother you so much if the Orcs wish to declare themselves a separate government? Is this matter so vitally important to the Kazum Kingdoms that you would go to war over it?

[Snaga]

The Grey Mountains welcome the friendship of Arnor and Rohan.

The Grey Mountains respect the decision of Rohan to stay out of this dispute.

The Grey Mountains thank Arnor for their robust support, and requests that the Iron Hills stay out of this.

[EverEve]

THe Iron Hills is a part of the Kazum Kingdoms. I have every right to be involved with this.

[SpencerC18]

Lord Snaga, I have been sent to be a mediator of sorts. I have pressing matters in this realm dealing not only with your people and the war, but I have heard rumor of a Dark Lord rising, and if you truly wish to be peaceful then if you have any knowledge of this Dark Lord you must comply. For all our sakes.

[Lorien]

I personally support Snaga though that should've been obvious seeing that Cir has pledged his support and my kingdom lies within his. Why don't we just drop this whole issue and let the Grey Mountains have their independence without anyone bothering them? They have been mistreated you know.

[Snaga]

Gandlin, you are not welcome in my halls. For you are merely trying to stir friends up in unjust war against me and my friends.

Lorien... I thank you for your support.

[Ecthelion]

Originally posted by ¤-Elessar-¤

And, there were a few statments that deserve a rebutle
-There is 1 person who claims to be a dwarf in this forum, Telchar, and he alone cannot rule all of the dwarves.

I am a dwarf to you know.And a true one at that. And I now see I am the only dwarf directly related to Durin. Telchar AND I could control the dwarves, but as of now I am greatly troubled over what to do. Nain sits in his tower and thinks.

[Ecthelion]

Nain sends a messenger hawk to Dain and each old governer of a part the Khazad Kingdom. Each leader had written in it:

Dear Dain and old governers of Khazad Kingdom, I Nain Ironfoot, direct heir of Durin hereby take control of what's left of The Kingdom, which I believe is Ost Telcontar and The Lonely Mountain. I would ask all governers of old to rejoin part of The Kingdom. I will give you all equal parts of military and have all races treated equal. Will you join back with me?
Signed, Nain

Another message was sent to Dengen-Goroth, which had in it:Dear Dengen-Goroth, I would ask back the lands of Gabil-Dum and Iron Hills. I will also offer an alliance to you. Send a messenger to The Lonely Mountain with your reply.
Signed, Nain

[Dain Ironfoot]

Nain, you betray me?? I have serrendered so no more blood shall be shed and the fact is they never took Gabil-dum or Ironhills.(THEY ARE LOCKED AND CAN NOT BE OPENED) My son I shal chalange you to a duel for what remains of the kingdom.

[Ecthelion]

I never spoke a word of war and I never betrayed you. It just seems that The Kingdoms would be much safer if you did not lead them anymore. Yes you have Ellesar and other old governers on your side, but if there was war they wouldn't help you that much when The Mornclar Federation and The Senate Attanore and many others are against you. And having control of the kingdoms I have sent one of my capatians to you he will be bringing back ALL the men from you. I do not want you to get hurt so I wont let you go to war. I believe you had about 15,000 men altogether? If it is more or less tell me. As of now half will come protect The Lonely Mountain and half will go to Ost Telcontar until I must seperate them and give some to the gverners who come back (excusing those who have orc armies and dont want dwarves).

[Dain Ironfoot]

No you will not.I am 1 of the only 3 dwarves on the forum(read the thread in the P.P. about to many Maiar, and the rp bio thread) and I wont let my SON take that away from me. I will now take my men and atack any one you send now.My total are my is about 42,000. No one has side with you! I have your armie and all armies for that matter. I give Eve, Morm, and Elessars armies back I now will take over The lonley mountain unless you stop this. I have enough on my hands. The orks have thier land I have mine we are on good terms and you are trying to mess with me again. You have to realise that I do not want to fight you or outlaw you, I just want ALL bloodshed to stop. Please no more bloodshed!!!!

[Ecthelion]

Fine then. If you want to act this way I wont stop you. I will only take back my 4,500 men. The Lonely Mountain is no longer part of your Khazad Kingdom. And just to let you know Mormegil is no longer part of The Khazad Kingdoms. And another note for you, it wont be long till everyone gets mad at you again. If that does happen don't look to me for assistance. I am steadily growing my military count also.

[Dain Ironfoot]

so you are no longer being independent either? that is good to hear, I need all the help I can get to keep peace.....
Ok in light of recent events I now withdraw from the title of Emporer and temorarily give all remaning land to Nain my son. I shall instead take the title of general. I no longer want war yet I shall take all 200,000 of my dwarves and recede into the north. I want peace so I shall creat a new kingdom abouve all other mountains known only as "the Utopia". It is MUCH abouve the Iron hills and will be a series of underground tunles that will be a utopia. I wanted peace and this seems the only way left to turn, I put my people first....

[EverEve]

God, you dont even know the name of your father's own kingdom. It's the Kazum Kingdoms.

[Dain Ironfoot]

EVE, I have talked to Nain. He is ok. I just want peace.....

[EverEve]

I was just saying that he should at least know the proper name. But if it makes you feel any better: 'Sorry, Nain'

[Ecthelion]

Oops:rolleyes:
Thank you Dain, Father. Now I take the 42,500 men and put 1/4 of the army in Gabil-Dum, Iron Hills (snaga I hope you will give it back to me), Ost Telcontar, and The Lonely Mountain which is the new capital of The Kazum Kingdoms. I will most likely take any alliance offered. I am in need of no other governer, but EverEve and Ellesar. I will make a new Kazum Kingdom thread for my 2 governers and I to council.

[Snaga]

I will remind you of this:Originally posted by Dain Ironfoot
Ok I have taken a census..If this is not how you imagened it well I am sorry. I now command the whole army. no one else does ANYTHING without my permition... ok???

City/State Population
________________________________
White Mountains: 95,000
Grey Mountains: 50,500
Gabil-Dum: 108,500
Ironhills: 112,500
Lonley MT.: 8,500
Ice Bay of Thorn: 5,000
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Total: 380,000

Type of weaponry population
________________________________
Axmen: 12,000
Eaglemen: 8,000
Warhammermen: 10,000
cavalrymen: 8,000
swordsmen: 2,000
Trolls: 500
assassins(scouts): 7,000
--------------------------------
Total: 47500

Of this 4,500 is Nain's, 4,500 were Mormegils and 6,000 were mine. I calculate that at 32,500 that you have in Elessar's land at the moment. Minus some significant casualties from your cavalry.

[Ecthelion]

ok. Snaga, I will now let you know I have a new respect for orcs and also would like to ally with you and Mormegil.

[Mormegil]

The White Mountains accept your offer of friendship and Alliance Nain.
Lets just stop all the petty squabbling and get on with things.

[Snaga]

I wish to make it very clear.

I am only the military commander of the Mornclaur Federation. I cannot make political decisions about the future of Gabil-Dum and the Iron Hills without reference to Lord Dengen-Goroth, whose word is law in this.

So please: do not try to negotiate with me. I do not have authority to negotiate this. You must await Lord Dengen's return.

In the meantime please understand this. The dwarves of Gabil-Dum and the Iron Hills are being well-treated. They are unarmed civilians and will be treated with respect. If anyone tries to incite them to rebel, this would be stupidity. They are neither trained nor armed, and this rebellion would be unsuccessful. However I have established a perimeter around this places and for security reason I will allow none to enter, so rebellion will not be an issue.

[Snaga]

From the orcs of the Grey Mountains, I accept your offer of friendship Nain.:)

[Dain Ironfoot]

You have no idea what they are or are not. I have already stated that they have left. I have tunnles that you will never know of. They are going north and are leaveing you and your petty squabbles behind. They are going to my old fortress in the north. We shall build, dig, and TRY to live happy lives without war. This will take much time but I grow weery of Fighting on multiple mountain ranges. I now will be starting a realm of "peace".

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Dain, I am sorry, I do not have time to read everything that has just happened. I do not care how many bastards in this forum betray you and make war upon you, you are always and forever welcome in my halls, and I wish to see you there currently. We have much to discuss, and I have no clue what just happened.

[Dain Ironfoot]

thank you my friend, I hope we can talk soon. Please I would enjoy talking to you greatly. Please pm me soon......

[Snaga]

I wish to confirm that all the orcs of the Grey Mountains have returned home.

I declare a cessation of hostilities between the Grey Mountains and all its neighbours.

[Snaga]

I would like to clarify a few matters.

First and foremost, I would like to state that the Grey Mountains remain independent. We have not joined the Mornclaur Federation.

Secondly some have asked what is the name of this new realm. Having no time for unnecessary elaboration, I thought: 'The Grey Mountains' might be suitable.

Foreign policy:

The Grey Mountains is a small state and cannot offer a threat to anyone. It just asks to be left alone.

Alliances:

The Grey Mountains is allied to the Mornclaur Federation.

Friendships:

The Grey Mountains is at peace and friendly with Zirak Khazak, the White Mountains, Rohan, and the White Council. It maintains an open border with Zirak Khazak, via the underground highway from Mount Gundabad (this can be closed if needed).

At Peace with:

The Grey Mountains is at peace with Annatore. Better relations are hoped for in the future.

Has No Diplomatic Relationship with:

Lothlorien and Dor-Taur-Sir.

Internal Policy

Law and Order

The Grey Mountains does not operate a system of laws. The Urukgush of the North merely expects all to act with good judgement within his borders. Those who do not will incur my judgement. Power is exercised through the clan chieftains.

Outsiders are explicitly warned against coming to this land, as no guarantees of personal safety are given. However those who come with a personal invitation will be safe.

Magnus the Dragon has been given residence in what was the lair of Scatha the Worm of old. He has freedom of the mountains.

Trade

Trade is sought with other lands. Given the risks to traders coming to the Grey Mountains, trade is best conducted at the markets of other nations. For now, our trade will for the most part be conducted at Esgaroth, but we look for other places where trade might commence.

The Grey Mountains have the following to trade:
- Metals: iron, copper, gold and silver. Also we have discovered a very useful metal which we call amûnenghin, which you might render as untarnished iron in the common tongue. This is lighter and softer than iron, though less soft than copper. This means it is easy to work and shape (but perhaps not much use for making swords!). But also it does not rust, but merely gets a dull grey sheen.
- Gemstones (uncut): diamonds, rubies and emeralds, and many lesser stones
- We can also provide diamonds cut into the sharpest blades, for the use of craftsmen
- Oil we have found, for lamps perhaps, or for siege-craft
- We can make machines and parts of many types and designs
- Furs and pelts of many beasts: the snow leopard, and the mountain tigers pelts are of great beauty. The hunt is an amusing diversion: permission to hunt may be granted to those friends who ask.
- The lowers slopes have abundant sheep, goats and mountain cattle that we live upon for the most part, when better meat is not to be had. Also therefore hides, leather and wool we have.

In particular we seek to purchase salt for the curing of meat from a seaward nation.

My thanks.