Guild of Tolkienology

[Úlairi]

This thread is somehow linked to Elbereth's 'Guild of Scholars Hall', of which I am a part. But here, I, the Professor of the Dark Arts in Scholars Hall University (or is it College over there?), can bestow a Degree of Tolkienology. You must undergo a gruelling quiz, of which I will post the address of the site to. If you get 50-70%, you get your Diploma. If you get 70-80%, then you get your Honors i.e. Degree. If you get 80-95%, you get your pHd (Doctorate). And if you get 95-100%, then you get your Post-Doctorate!!! Be honest with your score as...

"Honesty is the best policy."

70% is not too hard to get IMO, even on this quiz. I got a perfect score (111/111), therefore making me Mr. Ulairi.

If you get your Diploma, then you still have your name normal. You just have your Diploma of Tolkienology. E.g. Ulairi.

If you have your Honors (Degree), then you are a Doctor of Tolkienology. E.g. Doctor Ulairi.

If you get a pHd (Doctorate), then you are a Professor of Tolkienology. E.g. Professor Ulairi.

If you get your Post-Doctorate, then you are a Mister of Tolkienology. E.g. Mr. Ulairi (Mister Ulairi). Which I am! You get a special title if you get a perfect score. You have the option of being a Lecturer of Tolkienology, as I am, and you get a scholarship to 'The Guild of Scholars Hall' to join and become a Professor there if you'd like. I know it's hard to do so, but, if you try, you can do it! So post away!

Here is the link:

http://www.lordotrings.com/quiz.asp

So, answer away! Post your results here in the thread.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

And what, as I am the Archguild master overseeing all of this, does this diploma of Tolkienology represent? Does it have any role playing values, or is it just a crazy thing with no real purpose?

[Úlairi]

It is a Guild where once I have the results, then we sort out memberships to certain people to become the students in 'The Guild of Scholar's Hall'. Those who get perfects scores are allowed to become Professors in the Guild. That is its purpose and I myself do not appreciate people barging in and accusing me of making a thread that serves no purpose, in which I have never done before. This is only the second time I have posted a Guild, and I do not like you coming in and attempting to 'impose' yourself over me Elessar.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Indeed, you had never before started a guild, and I was simply making sure that I had no nonsense guilds under me, for I do not like or support them.

[Úlairi]

No problems Elessar. :)

[Mormegil]

I got 106/111. 95.5%!

So that makes me Mr. Mormegil?

I'd rather be a professor, it sounds more knowlegeable.


Ulairi, I would like to know how you got all 111 correct. Some of those questions were seriously hard. And how did you know the personal questions, if you haven't read 'The Letters of JRR Tolkien'?

Are you being truely honest with yourself??;)

[Úlairi]

Actually, I was telling the truth, you can look for my name in there, although it will take you a while I can guarantee. With The Letters of JRRT, I had done a project at school on JRRT himself and on one night I had to dress up like him and pretend I was him and I would answer questions about him to other people. So I myself know quite a bit on Tolkien the person. As for your title, you can be a Professor or a Mister, whatever you deem. In Medicine, in particualr areas, you can take upon the title of either Mister or Professor, so, you can choose whichever you want!!! Seeing as you are already a Professor at the Guild, you have upheld the standards of 'Scholar's Hall', proving that we really are Professors! Congratualtions Professor Mormegil and Ulairi hands him his Post-Docatorate.

[Mormegil]

Mormegil accepts his qualification and promises to try harder in future to acheive 100%.

[Elfarmari]

I 110/111, I think that's 99%. How are there people on the high score list with 112 and 113???:confused:

Could I be a professor?

[Úlairi]

110/111? I don't believe it!!! Well done. Professor Ulairi hands him his post-doctorate. You beat Mormegil!!! Na na na na na!!!

[Aredhel]

I got 87% I think that was pretty good. I got 14 wrong. *laughs insanely*I got the PhD. so that makes me Professor Aredhel. Right Ulairi?

[Mithrandir]

Well Mr. Ulairi,
I have scored a 11 out of 11. Here is the link to prove ithttp://www.lordotrings.com/quiz/quiz6eval.asp

It was a very fun test.
~Mithers

[Elfarmari]

Originally posted by Ulairi
110/111? I don't believe it!!! Well done. Professor Ulairi hands him his post-doctorate. You beat Mormegil!!! Na na na na na!!!
umm, I'm a 'her.' I must admit I had some lucky guesses, I don't know a whole lot about Tolkien's personal life.

[Chymaera]

For the record I got 97/111 which is 87.3%

I haven't read up on J.R.R.Tolkien the person.
some of the questions were pretty obscue. :confused:
just call me Doktor:D

[Úlairi]

Originally posted by Elfarmari

umm, I'm a 'her.' I must admit I had some lucky guesses, I don't know a whole lot about Tolkien's personal life.

My apologies. 11 out of 11 Mithers??? The test is out of 111. By the way, those who wish to take up any title that they deem it is fine with me as long as your score corresponds with your title. E.g., I belive someone scored a Mistership, but decided to keep the title of Professor.

[Mithrandir]

I am sorry that was a simple spelling error. I scored a 111 out of 111. So that means I got a 100%.

Does this mean I get the special awards for the perfect score?
~Mithers

[Úlairi]

I find this hard to believe. However, I trust your word. For acieving a perfect score you gain a scholarship to 'The Guild of Scholar's Hall' as a student there. There, you can debate with the Professors running the Hall.

[Mithrandir]

I thank you for the chance, but what is so hard to believe you scored a perfect;)
~Mithers

[Eomer Dinmention]

this is what i got.
Name: Jarrick Lay
Total Correct Answers: 104
Total Wrong Answers: 7

Evaluation
"Wow, very, very impressive with 104 correct answers given. Nearly perfect. You must be a walking and talking Tolkien Encyclopedia. Too bad you were not able to totally perfect your score. Perhaps reason for a second go...."



I think i did reasonbly well. I'm happy with that score

[Úlairi]

I congratulate you Mr. King Eomer, and Ulairi hands him his post-doctorate. Mithers, is it so hard to believe that I, Ulairi, got a perfect score? I think not mere mortal. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. :p

[purplechic144]

OKAY, BEFORE I TAKE IT... If I mess up can I take it again???:D PLEASE!!!!!!! I'm nervous!!!! It would be so great if I did good, ooooh Professor Purplechic, I like it. I better go study, it'll be crashing for exams all over again!

[DGoeij]

If you're well into LOTR and the Hobbit you can do pretty good. I had 91 out of 111, 81,98%

Not bad, I messed up a couple of Dwarven names out of the Hobbit and I didn't know the name of Tolkiens mother, nor Frodo's mum, to be honest. Cool test nonetheless.
I'd do better with my books present, like a real professor.;)

[Walter]

DGoeij, if you did it without the book at hand the 91 are a remarkable result. However, what took me by surprise is how many people around here scored 111 without cheating...

...especially since I think that there are at least two incorrect answers in the test...

[DGoeij]

Really? Muhahahahaha. At least the one about the sword of Theoden has the right answer. I looked it up. After I answered wrong, that is. :(

Personally I didn't think it was too hard. I had to guess my way into round four or five, because I really didn't know the first question. But most of them were about things one could have read about in either the Hobbit, LOTR or the Silmarrion. The questions about the latter I found hardest, because there's way to much information in it. At least I got the Trees right. :)

[Walter]

...oh, and if you click the "Back" button on your browser you get a second (third, forth, etc.) chance...

...which I am sure no one did who scored 111, 112 or 113 (out of 111), of course... ;)

[DGoeij]

Hush. I thought that was a secret. I wanted to get a perfect score next time.

[Gloer]

...I don't known what I scored because I didn't make it through the fourth level. It was labelled hard and it was.

Where on middle-earth is The Hall of fire? Chamber of fire?
Jeez... I wonder how they were translated in the Finnish version. Anyhow, I don't know Jack Schitt.

[DGoeij]

Minas Tirith and Rivendell, if I remember correctly. Or the other way around?
But I know I made a reasoned guess, because some of them weren't right for sure.

[Ancalagon]

Well done to anyone who got over 100 without hitting the back button as Walter suggests. To be honest, I would consider myself extremely well read in Tolkiens works and I managed 87, so for those of you who scored highly and don't post often in the books debate section of the forum; why not?

[Walter]

Notabene: I do NOT suggest to hit the "Back" button, actually I wondered why they did not close this backdoor...

[DGoeij]

Originally posted by Walter
Notabene:

Hey, that's a Dutch word. Not used very much anymore, but I recognize it nonetheless. It even means the same thing here.:)

And I am very proud of my 91 score. I didn't know I was that much into LOTR and the Sil.:cool:

[purplechic144]

IT WORKS TO HIT THE BACK BUTTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek: I still haven't finished but I'm into the fifth level and I have like, 13 wrong!!!!!*silent despair*:( Life would of been so much easier... too late for me!!! No Professor Purplechic!!!!:( :( ah well, who needs the responsibility of being smart? or the responsibility of being a Tolkien freak anyways. *sigh* but hey I thought I did pretty good so far considering I haven't finished RotK or even started the Sil. And to of had my book on hand! That would of made it alot easier too! I feel sad, must go now and read more.

[Ancalagon]

Dont worry Walter, I wasn't saying that you were suggesting it, just that it is possible to do it!

[Samwise_hero]

I did the quiz and i got 96 out of 111. Is that good or bad? Did i achieve anything??? A certificate of something at least. well even if i didn't achieve anything, it was fun and brain tiring.:D

[Úlairi]

Originally posted by Samwise_hero
I did the quiz and i got 96 out of 111. Is that good or bad? Did i achieve anything??? A certificate of something at least. well even if i didn't achieve anything, it was fun and brain tiring.:D

Samwise, you got 86%, therefore, you have gained yourself a...drumroll please...Doctorate (pHd)!!! Well done Professor Samwise_hero! *Hands him his pHd*

[DGoeij]

Cool, I became a professor in less than 30 minutes. Down at university it could have taken me 10-20 years.
How's the payment for Tolkien University staff?

[Galdor]

I have two questions for you Ulairi.

First I already have take in the test about 8 months ago. But I know far less then I do now, I had not even read the Sim. so can I take it agian for your guild?

And Second is there any point to this beside bragging rights?
Don't get me wrong I still think it is great.

[Samwise_hero]

Yeah!!!! I feel so smart now!!! I'm a professor at 15!!!!!
(Only slightly bragging)
(By the way i'm a her not a him!!!! Second time i've written that today)

[Úlairi]

Originally posted by Galdor
I have two questions for you Ulairi.

First I already have take in the test about 8 months ago. But I know far less then I do now, I had not even read the Sim. so can I take it agian for your guild?

And Second is there any point to this beside bragging rights?
Don't get me wrong I still think it is great.

Galdor, this thread has purpose and in intertwination with 'The Guild of Scholar's Hall', and it extends memberships, and that is the sole purpose for this thread, along with a few subtexts such as self-gratification, building of self-esteem. However, I believe self-esteem myself to be one big fallacy on the part of the human race. We are an esoteric society, and I'd like to remedy some of that through this guild also. Feel free to take the test again, and good luck.

[Galdor]

thanks for the info Urairi. I will read up on Tolkien himsefl and then try to join you as a Prof.

[Úlairi]

No problem Galdor. Glad to be of service.

[Elu Thingol]

I took a look at the high scores on the quiz and there was a guy with 113 and another with 112. How in the heck did they get that when there's only 111 questions?

[Úlairi]

That's what I'd like to know Elu.

[Elfarmari]

I'm guessing that the people who made the quiz decided to put those scores there to mess with people's heads. . .;)

[Elu Thingol]

They did a good job!
If you scan through the high score list you can see one person who has put their name in as "How in the ***** do you get 112?" so it seems they got everyone confused.

[Samwise_hero]

I saw that too. And what's this about two question being wrong. Did tha makers do that to tell if people cheated or what?

[Khamul]

Ok, I got 105 out of 111 which is 95% (rounded up.)

[Khamul]

That makes me Mr. Sting.

[Samwise_hero]

Is it true that they put wrong answers in there to try and catch cheaters out?

[purplechic144]

I think the quiz lowered my self esteem, I can't bring myself to even try and finish it, I figure maybe later this summer after I've had time to bulk up on my Tolkien knowledge, I'll start fresh. I wouldn't be surprised if there's questions in there that are wrong, I don't remember what it was but there was one question that I got wrong and I was so sure it would be right, I even consulted my book after, but that could just be me. I guess it's not impossible to obtain 111 even after that, if someone just guessed on the deliberately wrong ones and got them right.


P.S. Is anyone in the LotR Fan Club? I want to know if it's any good before paying to join.

[Samwise_hero]

Don't give up PurpleChic!!!! We'll all be full of Tolkien information one day! Just don't lose hope! Three cheers for purplechic! HIP! HOORAY! HIP! HOORAY! HIP! HOORAY!:) :) :)

[Samwise_hero]

Is everyone giving up on the guilds now? No ones written in here for ages. Please come back i want to discuss things with my fellow professors etc.

[Elbereth]

No Samwise...no one is giving up on the guilds. It is just a slow season. However you should know that the leader of this guild has been banned. But if you are interested in discussing Tolkien...you may come to my guild...The Guild of Scholars...we would love to have a fresh mind in there to liven the place up.

[Walter]

Tal suggested a while ago to combine this guild with the guild of scholars - not a bad idea IMO (c.f. this thread (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=112295))

[Galdor]

This is probably a obvious question but how would I come about in becoming a member of your guild Elbereth? I'm not sure I completely understand how the guilds work yet.

Galdor of the Havens

[Samwise_hero]

I guess i could go to the guild of Scholoars. If i do can i stay a professor?

[Elbereth]

In my guild...I make up the rules...therefore, if you would like to join...either request entry on the thread...or PM me with a request. I am always happy to get fresh, new, eager minds to come share their thoughts and opinions...So I encourage you all to join.

As for professors...those have already been chosen. If you are interested in become a professor...PM me with your request and let me know what area you are interested in specializing and I will let you know if there are any openings.

(PS...The position for the Professor of Dark Arts is currently vacant since that professor was recently banned. )

[Walter]

Originally posted by Walter
Tal suggested a while ago to combine this guild with the guild of scholars - not a bad idea IMO (c.f. this thread (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=112295)) ...but most likely it will get assimilated anyway, since our dear Elbereth seems eager and willing to take everyone from this guild, who is interested in joining the Guild of Scholars, under her patronance :)

hmmm ... or would I have to say "matronance" in this case :D

[Samwise_hero]

I reckon you should join the two guilds. It would be interesting, you can have scholars and tolkienologists discussing all different things. and comparing how brainy we are in tolkien information.:cool: :D :) :p ;)

[purplechic144]

I can't find the Guild of Scholars!!!there's a guild of scholar's hall but i don't know, I am confused! I have been gone all summer!

[Elbereth]

The Guild of Scholars Hall is the meeting hall for the guild of scholars...that is the location where we meet. *sigh*...I didn't think it was that confusing.:rolleyes:

[Samwise_hero]

It was a little confusing i had trouble finding it too. So i guessed that the scholars meet in the scholars hall.:p

[kaelath]

i got 111/111. so does that make me Mr. Kaelath or Prof. Kaelath? does that also mean i get a scholarship to the guild of scholars, if so than yoohoo!!! or does that mean i can be a Lecturer of Tolkienology? if so is that here or in the guild of scholors or both??? please let me know

[Galadhwen]

107/111- I think thats 96% (Maths is very weak subject)
Er...have same questions as Kaelath, (congratulations Kaelath!)
Cheers great quizz,
C ya:D :D

[kaelath]

congrats to you to Galadhwen

[Samwise_hero]

Congrats to you both but i don't think it is actually possible to get 111 correct answers because someone said that they put a couple of trick questions in there just to trip you up.:)

[kaelath]

well it didn't trip me up

[Samwise_hero]

But how did you get 111 with two wrong answers in there. You obviously got two questions wrong.:)

[Ancalagon]

For anyone claiming to have got over 100 without cheating I would just ask why you are not actively debating in either The Silmarillion section or the other Books section. Surely your knowledge of Tolkiens work would be an asset to those of us 'mere mortals', who attempt to thrash out the many questions relating to the authors work.

Please, come and join us and help us to learn what you already know. Many of those within the forum who at one time might have been considered knowledgeable in Tolkiens work are but amatuers in comparison.

[Walter]

C'mon now, Anc - hitting the "Back"-button on the browser and practicing "trial & error" until the answer fits can't be considered "cheating", now can it? ;) :D

[Samwise_hero]

No Walter, it couldn't possibly be called cheating.......

[Ancalagon]

Walter, is it just me or is your avatar looking more weary evey day?

Anyhoo, either people who hit over a 100 were using their books, or hitting the back button until they found the right answer. Pathetic really. I will dare anyone to swear that they acheived the results with their first answers.

[Samwise_hero]

I admitt i had a sneak peak at my books every now and again but i still got under 100. I feel dumb now, but at least the truth is out. I guess i better catch up on my study.
and i know unless you are JRR Tolkien yourself, you will not all of the answers correct.

[kaelath]

whatever

[kaelath]

BY the way Samwise_hero you said that someone told you there was trick questions. how would that person know that there are trick ones for a fact??

[Walter]

Originally posted by Ancalagon
Walter, is it just me or is your avatar looking more weary evey day?
You know "The Picture of Dorian Gray", I suppose ;)

[Samwise_hero]

Originally posted by kaelath
BY the way Samwise_hero you said that someone told you there was trick questions. how would that person know that there are trick ones for a fact??


Kaelath, the person that told me obviously knew the right answers to the questions and when they came up wrong, they figgured there were some trick questions in there to trip people up.
And they obviously worked!:(

[kaelath]

or maybe the person you know thought that the answers they put were correct but in actuallity the person was inncorrect and told you that there were trick ones so they wouldn't seem like they didn't know the answers

[Samwise_hero]

Stop making assumptions you know you're probably wrong.:rolleyes:

[kaelath]

you know that the person was wrong you just don't want to admit it. perhaps it was you who got those wrong and you just don't want anyone to know it was you so you said that so you could feel better

[Walter]

Well there's an easy solution to this issue: If either one of you wants to be sure just go to the site again and compare each of the 111 questions with what Tolkien has written about it. Then you would know whether each answer is right or wrong.

[Samwise_hero]

No, actually it wan't me that figgured out the questions were wrong, as i said before someone was kind enough to tell me. It is actually written in this topic. And no one would have been able to memorise all the answers to those questions. They are to hard to remember off the top of your head.

[kaelath]

Samwise_hero, perhaps you are right but perhaps i am right. let us not argue over trivial things. i am writing this to apologize for arguing with you, so, i am sorry. we should argue over the more important things in life like which is a cooler hobbit, merry or pippin??

[Samwise_hero]

I agree, i was going to write the same thing but you beat me to it. I appologise too. So i which hobbit do i reckon is cooler out of Pippin and Merry? I dunno, the both the same in my books. But i reckon Sam and Frodo are the best! ^_^

[Elfarmari]

Ancalagon Anyhoo, either people who hit over a 100 were using their books, or hitting the back button until they found the right answer. Pathetic really. I will dare anyone to swear that they acheived the results with their first answers.

I, for one, did not cheat. I think the one I got wrong was something about Cirith Ungol, but it said the answer was something else. AFter I finished the quiz, I looked it up, and their answer was definitely wrong!

[Samwise_hero]

Can we just drop the conversation of people cheating. Please. We're supposed to be discussing intelligent things.
It takes a simple person to cheat, it takes a stronger person to do it properly. If you didn't cheat be happy.

[Lhunithiliel]

When I first read all about the people here who scored 111 out of 111, I thought I must not even TRY the test, for how could I ever reach the level of those true scholars!
Yet, I decided to do it. And I did! And I got 106... But I also found out that if I push the "Back"-button and pick up a new answer I'll finally get the right one! So, I could very well score all the 111! You can do it too!

I appologize to those of you, who would be HONEST enough as to admit that they did NOT use the "Back" button and got their result because they know all about Tolkien!

As for this quiz-test - it was a marvellous way to recall some details from the books!
For which I thank you, Ulairi.

BTW, what exactly do we need this result for? I thought this was Grond's Guild. ... Or is it not?:confused:

[Samwise_hero]

It wasn't originally Grond's Guild but it kinda is now.
The point of the test is to determine what kind of tolkienologist you are. You see i'm a professor. I was really happy when i found that out because i'm a professor at 15 years of age!!!!!

[Lhunithiliel]

The point of the test is to determine what kind of tolkienologist you are
I have to disagree, Sam!
Even my result of 106 I achieved with searching for facts in the respective written materials!
This is NOT and can NOT be a valid evaluation! One, I guess, has to know Tolkien just as Ancalagon, Grond, Maedhros, Elu Tingol and the other Grand Masters in this forum (sorry if I've missed the name of someone!) to call yourself a true Tolkienologist!!!
What I found that quiz-test useful for, was that it made me search for facts that I could not well remember or never knew about! Thus I only improved a bit further my knowledge!
:rolleyes:

[Nenya Evenstar]

Just wondering if we members are still required to take this test, or has that changed since the leadership has changed?

[Samwise_hero]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel

I have to disagree, Sam!
Even my result of 106 I achieved with searching for facts in the respective written materials!


I was saying that the reason for the test on this thread was to determine if you got a phd or a diploma or what ever and if you became a professor or what. I don't know what you thought i meant but that's it.
By the way, you used to have to take the test to determine what stance you are in the Tolkienologists, i don't know if the same rules still stand. Do they Grond???

[Nóm]

I can tell you that Grond based my ranking on how long I have been reading Tolkien, which books, and how many times I've read them.
I took this test after I was ranked and no one asked me to do it.
As far as I know Grond has not based our rankings on this test, I have saw him ask no one to take it.

[Nenya Evenstar]

Ok, thanks guys! That was kind of what I had gathered from reading through posts and from other info thrown here and there. Personally, I like things the way they are now better than the way they were then. But, that's just my humble opinion.

[Samwise_hero]

Sorry i'm wrapped up in the old times, heck i'm not even a member any more. Ever since the guild was taken over by Grond. (Not meaning to offend)

[Nenya Evenstar]

Come join us! Just pm Grond telling him what books you've read and how many times. He'll give you your ranking and take care of the rest.

[Samwise_hero]

Thanks, i did sent a PM by the way, and soon hopefully i'll be a member for the second time.

[Nenya Evenstar]

Great! I see that you are a member now. Welcome (that's odd that I'm welcoming you when you were kind of here before me...)!!!!

[Samwise_hero]

I'm Back!!! .^_^.
So can we start discussing intelligent things now??? Please! Lol! I'm just so happy i'm back. ( I think i might have over exadurated a little but i guess i'm a little less stressed about all different things and for once i'm HAPPY!! Beware! .^_^.)
:p

[gate7ole]

Nobody could have 111/111.
There are some errors. Do you count those as correct even if the Quiz didn't or did you just go back and try to find the 'correct' one? Anyways both are acceptable.
By the way I had 5 errors (including 2 that I am absolutely sure they are correct)

[Khamul]

One thing I noticed was about the Variags of Khand. Variags are relative of Wain-Riders...

[pohuist]

What about Bilbo being cousin of Frodo

[Alcfalath]

Good Afternoon All,

I got an overall score of 108 out of 111 so this came to an average of 97.3 % so you can call me Mr Alcfalath Ringlosse.

Good Afternoon.

[Eledhwen]

I didn't even get to the end, because I got the first question on level five wrong. Up to then, I got eleven questions wrong, using only head knowledge (ie: I didn't look anything up).

[gate7ole]

To be honest, I checked my resourced many time during the test. Even then there were some questions difficult to be located. The sixth part is really hard. I wonder if those perfect scores are achieved by knowledge only. I guess I have a long road before becoming a Tolkien afficionado

[Samwise_hero]

That test does get really hard. I'm too scared to take it again. i've slacked a bit on my Tolkien knowledge lately because i've been concentrating on school. Second last year is as important as your last year of high schhol you know. LOl!