Sequels

[Captain Sparky]

When the studios run out of ideas for movies they merely rehash an old one and stick a number behind the name. In recognition of this time-honoured Hollywood tradition, I've come up with a few sequals of which even George Lucas would be proud.

Lord of The Rings 4: Gollum's Revenge
Gollum didn't really fall into the fire (neither did the ring), so now he's out to get that nassssssssty suspicious hobbit - Sam.

Lord of The Rings 5: The Return of Sauron
Hey, remember from LORT4 the ring wasn't destroyed; so neither was the Dark Lord.

Lord of The Rings 6: Return to Mordor
The one ring has (some how) come into the keeping of Sam Gamgee's grand children who must take up the quest - yet again.

Lord of The Rings 7: TreeBeard Doesn't Live Here Any More
Gimli and Legolas make good on their promise to visit Fangorn. On their arrival they find TreeBeard has eloped with one of the Entwives.

Lord of The Rings 8: The Adventures of Arwen
When Aragorn dies, Arwen regains her immortality and sets out to fight evil. Even the toughest Orc flees from the pouty-lipped she-Elf rather than endure any more of Liv Tyler's acting.

[Talimon]

Lord of The Rings 8: The Adventures of Arwen
When Aragorn dies, Arwen regains her immortality and sets out to fight evil. Even the toughest Orc flees from the pouty-lipped she-Elf rather than endure any more of Liv Tyler's acting.

LOL...that's hard....

Actually, they could make very good movie out of "The Hobbit".

[Rangerdave]

I am personally looking forward to seeing Gandalf In Love and Strider III: The Return of the Elf-Stone .

RD

[Talimon]

How about The Took Strikes Back ?

[Camille]

:D :D :D :D !!! oh my God that was super funny!!!
*laugh**

[ReadWryt]

Actually, the trend anymore is to field a TV series, a la "Young Indiana Jones" or "Buffy the Vampire slayer". I could totally see a series called "Highway to Valinor" about an Istari and a Hobbit who travel around showing a different character each week why life is worth living and why they should do the `right' thing in the end...

[Talimon]

That would be too corny to comprehend...no...can't stop thinking about it...why did you have to put that image in my head...?

Even though PJ isn't making that type of movie that would avoid sequels (beyond TTT and RotK, that is), he would like to think he is. I don't think he's going to make cheap sequels.

The only reason no one has attempted to make a LotR movie so far has been because of fear from the Tolkien camp. The only reason this movie isn't being shredded to bits is because people from the Tolkien camp actually like it. Not everyone, but so long as a significant portion of Tolkienite's respect the movie it will remain valid.

Bakshi's version was generally accepted to have some serious faults. I haven't met one Tolkien fan who thought it was overall good. At best they say it was a good effort, but never that that movie was good. It looked like it was a rough, rough draft of some movie in the making.

Point being, if any sequels are made beyond LotR it will first be the Hobbit. I think it will stop there. If they want to make money they can milk the cow through re-releases. I'm already waiting for the re-release of the Extended versions. I can put money these will make it out in the next 5-10 years (if not immediately following the release of RotK).

At the very worst we'll get a movie on the rise and fall of Numenor, or some other other tale. But I think that the material beyond the Hobbit and LotR would be too difficult to film. Maybe if it directly tied in with LotR then I could see it working. But otherwise it would be way to abstract for people to care. They could flesh out the Second Age and the Last Alliance, perhaps...

[Rangerdave]

Originally posted by ReadWryt
I could totally see a series called "Highway to Valinor" about an Istari and a Hobbit who travel around showing a different character each week why life is worth living and why they should do the `right' thing in the end...

Touched By a Vala?:D :D :D

RD

[Shion]

You forgot to mention Frodo Got Fingered.

-Bon

[Niniel]

Well, may be it WOULD be a good idea to make a film or tv-series about the Sil. When I read it, I could just see in my head how they could portay it, so maybe it can be done. And if you make it a tv-series, you can do one story per week.

[ReadWryt]

Unfortunately as I have pointed out elsewhere much of the Silmarillion is narative. Unless you want to have characters doing things while a narator reads the book in voice over you would need to trust someone to write dialog for the characters in the manner of Tolkien. I personally think that the former would be too boring to attract viewers or advertisers, and the latter would be a **** shoot...

[Talimon]

I haven't read all the Sil, but from what I have you could easily make it into movies. The idea would be to write dialogue in a Tolkien style. So long as it's not cheesy I'd trust someone to do this.

[ReadWryt]

I for one would be loathe to trust anybody to write lines for Ungoliant or Tulkas...there is a great deal of latitude for what many of the characters would sound like and not a great deal of insight in the History of Middle-earth to assist one in creating characterizations that could be assumed to be even close to what the Author had in mind. But that's just my twisted view of things...

[Talimon]

I'm not saying it should be done, because in the world we live in it would probably come off very cheesy. But if we lived in a world were artistic devotion held higher priority then money, I'm positive it could be a reality.

[LadyGaladriel]

Bakshi's version was generally accepted to have some serious faults. I haven't met one Tolkien fan who thought it was overall good. At best they say it was a good effort, but never that that movie was good. It looked like it was a rough, rough draft of some movie in the making.


Well now you have. I thought it was good. although it was short ie it ended at helms deap. It still was quite funny and stuck a lot to the books

[Talimon]

To stick to the book is one thing. But c'mon, Gandalf? He looks like a fool in every scene he's in. And you've got to love this stupid change in dialogue:

Frodo: "It's a pity he didn't kill him when he had the chance (Gollum)"
Gandalf: "I know."

Talk about just butchering out one of the best lines in the book. But wait, it gets better:

Frodo: "I wish none of this would have happened"
Gandalf: "So do I."

Other then cutting the best lines Bakshi shows what mindless devotion can do to a film. Tell me, WTF was the point of even including Treebeard? Sorry, but it makes absolutely no sense. And Bakshi has no sense of time. He makes the chasing of Merry and Pippin like 10 minutes long, drags the Flight to the Ford forever, and then leaves nothing for emotion. Maybe the dialogue sticks to Tolkien, but the movie sure is boring. It's funny, because it actually feels longer then FotR, when in fact it's a whole hour shorter.

[ReadWryt]

Don't mince words Tal, feel free to express what you REALLY feel...*Snicker*

I think the whole problem with Bakshi's version is that everybody thought that if this was going to be made into a movie it would HAVE to be Animated, and everyone was pretending that Bakshi was an animator...so they handed him the keys to the project and let him take it for a spin. Alas, Bakshi was NOT an animator...he was someone used to filming huge chunks of a story and then drawing over it, so instead of having storyboarded this thing like an animated feature and having the controll one would have, that being Complete Controll, he went to Europe and filmed in black and white and had to choose the scenes that came out well and THEN traced over the actors to create the flow...You rarely have to edit footage for an Animated movie, and when all was said and done a bunch of footage that was filmed, at some expense, ended up being used in the final movie simply because so much time had been invested in the filming and subsequent Rotoscoping of the footage that chunks of the movie drag, and inexcusable thing in a truely Animated movie because one knows going in how many drawings one is making, how many frames will be used to display them and at 24 frames per second how much screen time every foot of film will take up.