Leaving...Hmmm, wouldn't dream of it! [Archive]

¤-Elessar-¤

05-24-2002, 02:00 AM

Ok, stupid analogy, I know, but here it goes.

Ford had this great Idea, to build a sportscar for teens, an affordable speed machine with great options. They succeded, extremely succeeded. The Mustang was born, and it ran off at a gallop. Much the same way our forum went, or at least this section. And then we went into a section of decline, around the time right before the movie release. Tolkien became far to popular, as did the Mustang around '70. Ford put many things on the mustang. They weighted it down, they made it bigger, and more flashier. But when they did that, the orriginal spark was gone, it was a hollow shell. And although, even as our forum may, Ford has made great advances, and made the car popular again, the orriginal lovers of the car love only the beginning, the lost golden age... I never even experienced the golden age, I have never even participated in a good RP, or a serious one for that matter. And how my heart yearns for one! To be able to feel glorious as I draw my sword, to be able to see the plains of green grass and rolling hills in my mind. To have actual strategy, instead of all of this foolish magic. It is over though, and I have missed it. In my best days this forum was still alive, full of hope and vigor! But now it is obsolete. In a coma if you will. And I cannot sit by its bedside any longer, it is too painful.

Kem- U know I luv ya!;)

Snaga

05-24-2002, 02:25 AM

I'm glad you started a thread like this Elessar since I was thinking similar thoughts.

Fundamentally I wondered if the problem with our great Forum rp was that it lacked a GM / judge / whatever term you like.

I mean someone who can arbitrate on who wins which battle, whether a piece of magic is legitimate, whether someones character profile makes sense etc. Also perhaps keep track of things like size of armies, timelines etc (we have all these Senates, pubs, markets etc... everyone is in lots of places at once LOL).

But more than anything, someone who can introduce the random element... the fell winters, the rebellion of a city or an easterling horde, the coming of a new wizard from the west, whatever it might be.

I mean, the story RPs have someone who leads the story, and as a result there is more 'unknown', more happening. So it is (or can be LOL) more interesting. If we could get that into our RP, it might be for the best. But this would mean everyone relinquishing some control and giving it over to someone. (And we'd have to appoint some worthy/hapless person for this MAJOR task.)

Just an idea.......

Turgon

05-24-2002, 03:00 AM

Okay, I realise that I'm new to RP forum, but I do like reading the Senates and councils and so, so I can see where things maybe going wrong... I think the problem is things have become rather dull - an RP will lack anykind of excitement without the element of danger - where's the danger when everybody in the RP is a super-powerful warrior or wizard who can dispatch any foe without blinking an eyelid? I totally agree with Snaga on the Random Element - though unfortunately I can't see it coming to fruition without some kind of unity amongst RPers...
As for battles - there can be no battles with out a decent set of battle rules - Snaga's 'Test' seems to have fallen by the wayside which is a shame and kinda symbolic of the way things will go with out effort from everybody on the forum. I think what your whole fourth age RP thing needs is some kind of Cataclysm to level everything out again. Imagine a one huge RP where all the fourth age characters come up against something BIG with all the Senates, Federations and councils getting involved... much more fun than trade disputes.
And Elessar - don't leave the forum - your presence will be missed...:)

Elbereth

05-24-2002, 04:29 AM

Look fundementally, I sympathize with you Elessar. And I do believe that with you gone...the forum will be greatly lacking. But truthfully and I am going to be perfectly blunt here, this sulking has gotten way out hand.

Yes, I agree the quality of post are down...

Yes, creativity is lacking in several threads.

Yes, it seems hopeless that reorganization will actually solve this problem.

But come on people let's be adults about this. Everyone has been so busy pointing fingers, and saying boo hoo, the Forum needs to change...but how many of you are actually making a consorted effort to improve your own post.

By backing out of the forum before any change has happened...you will be just as guilty of ruining the forum as those you criticize.

*Elbereth then takes cover as the onslaught begins*

Asha'man

05-24-2002, 06:13 AM

Hey, now, wait a minute! What "lost golden age" are you talking about? I agree that the Mustang was getting too big, like Chevy's (evil!) so a certain stockholder (Anna something, I believe) asked Ford to scale it down a bit. And so the Mustang II was born. Ugly as hell, but it kept the Mustang alive until the Fox-body came around. Personally, I think the Fox is the best Mustang body style yet, which is why I drive one. I think the golden age only went down to silver; it was never lost.

Whoa. Lecture mode off. :eek:

So I guess what I'm asking is, what do you consider an "original" lover of the Mustang? I'm a great aficionado of the ol' pony, but obviously I wasn't around in '65.

Way off topic here.

On topic: Elessar, get the hell out of here and don't let the door slap you in the butt on the way out!!

Nah, I care not. I have nothing against you. :D

Asha'man

Eomer Dinmention

05-24-2002, 11:19 AM

I have been wondering the same thing. But i will stay here. In this forum i feel different to others. I have gained more respect from others then i have in reality. It was like a nice comfy home to come to. Where your family and friends will appreciate you. I often wonder if it would be better living a life of what i have in this Forum or Reality.

But what i think is wrong. Is that way too many newbies are coming into some of the Rps and saying stuff that totally changes the storyline. (No offence to the newbies and no offence to Spencer) But an member walked into my council claiming he was an Istari, messenger of Eru and I had to turn my back against my strongest allies. Now no offence to anyone but that really annoyed me. Because most of it no one would believe, it was total Cra*

I would like everything be as normal as it was before. (Even though i didn't get to experiance of it that much) But i think that we maybe might have to take away EVERYONE's POWERS. THere are far too many newbies claiming there Istari or Maia. I would like it only to be Mith and Dengen, Lorien and Kem and maybe Elbereth that should keep there powers. Because i must admit there are too many Wizards and Necromancers around. And that maye we should cut down on the army size.
In old times it was around 12 000 to an army. Now i see Kingdoms with around 50 000 in there army. Around 4X more. How the hell did it become so high. I had to qucikly adjust my army to be near it.

Lorien

05-24-2002, 11:50 AM

I agree with Eomer on the first paragraph of his post. But can we really just kick everyone out of their wizard/necromancer/heliomancer/any other mancer postions? The wizard's already did that and there aren't too many Necromancers around (very few active ones I mean). What we really need is a good bloody war to shake things up. When we war people post more, with higher quality and lets face it war-time is more fun. After a nice period of beating each other's brains out we can make peace again, let some tensions go down and start all over again. Its a vicious circle but I think its necessary. And I'm personally contemplating throwing the Necromancers into some seriously dark stuff, like attacking someone for no rhyme or reason. And Snaga's idea is quite good too.
Elessar- You aren't my favorite person on the forum, I make no bones of that fact but you are one of the more experienced ones and the forum might need your help if its to liven up again. So basically I want you to hang around this place.

Eomer Dinmention

05-24-2002, 12:01 PM

Yes I agree with Lorien, Even though many people might not like you, but personally i think you gain the most respect from anyone in PP or RPG. You were here before me, and you know how the system runs. We need ur help to spice things up

Valar

05-24-2002, 12:25 PM

I totally agree. I haven't had much time to come on recently and when i can i find there isn't much to come back too. I love this place i really do, and i remember some really great RP's. We've spent so much time preventing war, we'e become bored. And though some of us don't admit it, we really do enjoy war. So what if we make enemys, its all IC so it doesn't matter. Lets just hae some serious fun and i mean serious, a really good whole RP, where the super powers and everone else can fight.

Eomer Dinmention

05-24-2002, 12:32 PM

Thus I suggest that Ellesar think up of the topic.
And all of us can join in. It will be sick and cool

Kit Baggins

05-24-2002, 12:35 PM

Cool. I'm in :) .

~Kit :)

¤-Elessar-¤

05-24-2002, 03:58 PM

Thank you all for your kind posts. I have often contemplated the war you speak of, and have spoken to some people of it. The fact is, noone will ever concede to defeat, no matter what you say now. Even if we were to appoint the 'god of RPs' that you speak of, how can we be sure that everyone will accept what he says? That would put us in the same position we are in now. The best Idea I have heard so far is Lorien's Idea with the necromancers. Someone will have to move, and frankly, it will not be me. I do not seem good at starting anything. At least nothing that lasts any period of time.

Kit Baggins

05-24-2002, 04:03 PM

The first rebellion was pretty good ;) . And maybe we could have it where no-one has to admit defeat- we could call a truce at the end.

Just a thought.

~Kit :)

Lorien

05-24-2002, 05:37 PM

I shall take your words seriously Elessar. All I have to say now is that be prepared for something to happen. I'm not clear on what I will do but I will do something.

Khamul

05-24-2002, 09:29 PM

From my experience in wars. What few it may be, I have noticed that the actual wars takes place in the rpg forum. But, we descend to a flame war in the PP. No matter what is said, an attack IC is taken as an attack OOC and IC. We must be mature about it, and not start mini-flame wars. A real war sounds like fun, but can you imagine how hard it is with rules present. Who wants to admit defeat? What variables are valid? These must be taken into consideration before we take the step.

Turgon

05-24-2002, 09:49 PM

Umm... okay so people think a war is a good idea, and they are think that war's need rules. Snaga developed a really good set of rules (okay they can be improved - but that's why he started the Battle Test) - so far the the few results the 'test' has produced have been very similar to the actual battles in LOTR - a sign that it's going in the right direction - so why is this test languishing at the bottom end of RP forum...? Is it because nobody knows about it or because nobody cares?

Mithrandir

05-24-2002, 09:50 PM

I realize I am a little late, but o well.

Elessar the last thing I want you to do is leave. Personally I love the character you have created on this forum, and to be honest am sometimes jealous:p You are a friend even if we have hit some hard times.

Now I totally agree with you on the lag of the forum, and I am afraid it may be incurable. Even with a war, we can not be guarranteed wars would even be quality any more. With all these newbie RP's and Newbies what makes any of us think that they will not interfere with the war. I am sorry if this is offensive to any newbies out there but the fact is you have created this reputation for yourself. I will not give any examples but the "new generation", as you might call it, in this RPG realm seems to think they are extremely creative if they throw in a lot of Monty Python parody's, cats, sushi, and wacked up **** that doesn't make sense. Instead of staying semi true to Tolkien they are going off on"creativeness"

I am sorry this has turned into a newbie rant. What I mean to say is like Elessar probably the only way a war would work is if evil goes against good. The only thing is, are we willing? There will be sacrifices that will have to be made, and as much as we talk about it , it will only happen if we take action.
~Mithers

¤-Elessar-¤

05-25-2002, 12:20 AM

thank you, Mithrandir. I am amazed at the understanding of the problem of those present. I thought that few understood it, or accepted it as a problem. As for the idea of Newbies interferring with the war, we have moderators (and good ones at that! ;)) who could more than take care of posts not wished for. The only problem is full consideration by the 'evil' forces. They seem convinced that no matter what happens they will lose, that the west will always use magic or istari or high blood to defeat it. That would be the cheif thorn in our plans backside.

Turgon

05-25-2002, 05:24 AM

Newbies eh? So that's what its all about - maybe you guys should read 'The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' and see where your problems really stem from....

Snaga

05-25-2002, 09:17 AM

Well I haven't read that Turgon, but I agree that newbies aren't the problem.

In fact the forum needs newbies, because otherwise it will become stagnant... always the same people, decline and boredom would be inevitable. I find this hostility to newbies a bit dispiriting.

The trouble is not that there are too many newbies, but they don't understand what is expected of them. I mean, one venerable rp-er really set a fantastic standard himself by trying to teleport his way into my rpg (35). So much for the old hands sticking to the spirit of Tolkien!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

In that case, I was able to put a stop to it, because I had the responsibility for the story as a whole. Noone has that responsibility for the forum rp (or if they do they don't exercise it), so that's when you get the silly stuff setting in.

Another thing... in defense of newbies. The 'old hands' amongst you always hold up rp 5 as the standard for rps. I have read it, and it is brilliant. That is what we should aim for. But I don't see a whole gang of attempts from anyone, new or old, that come even close.

So instead of turning this into a 'them' and 'us' problem, why don't we try to be just a little bit more constructive. Please!

Mithrandir

05-28-2002, 01:38 AM

Very good Snaga. I must say that was a while ago, and I am sorry I ever did it, but I still feel that newbies are an issue. I mean when I did that it was because of the powers of my character, now I realize some of those were ridiculous, such as the one you listed. I see where you are coming from though.
~Mithers

Snaga

05-28-2002, 01:28 PM

Hehehe Mithers, good of you to own up. I was trying not to name you, although I knew you would recognise who I meant!:D

I think the problem with newbies is this: they join the forum and want to join in the fun, but it isn't clear enough to them what is expected.

The reason is that the serious rp stuff and the nonsensical cat-riding pythonesque rps stuff is all mixed up together. We really need to seperate out the two. Otherwise it is inevitable that unwelcome silly posts will spam the serious threads.

(OK I know I'm repeating myself!!)

¤-Elessar-¤

05-28-2002, 05:33 PM

but you are repeating yourself so wonderfully! :D
yes, that is the main problem. But, no matter what barriers and seperations are set up, there will always be the person who wishes for nothing better than to annoy the serious rper.

Mithrandir

05-28-2002, 09:37 PM

I must say I agree with you Snaga whole heartedly. And I do beleive some action should be taken here.
~Mithers

Snaga

05-29-2002, 01:45 AM

I'm doing a little bit of investigation into how rps work on other forums. (Yes shock horror I didn't believe but apparently there really are other forums!:D)

I'm not above stealing other peoples bright ideas. If you've seen any that are worthy of a look, let me know. I'll post up any good ideas I find.

¤-Elessar-¤

05-29-2002, 02:03 AM

Isn't there like a minas-tirith forum, or something?

Arathin

05-31-2002, 04:41 AM

Well I admit I didn't read everything on this thread(finals no time) so please ignore anything that is just too dam* repeatative.

Elessar, please don't leave. You have been on the forum a long time. Besides, to tell the truth, I would be lost as to the ruling of Mirkwood without your brillant mind to back me up. hehe.

About a war, brillant idea. Wars are one of those pointless necessaties. (see my sig) All of creation judges its reality by pain and suffering. Sad but true. Pointless necessaties, like wars, are just another fact of our miserible lives. Just start a war and we'll all be happy. The only problem I can see, is that everyone is a f***ing ally. See that is the only real problem with this. No forum enemies, no wars, no fun, no one on forum. A vicious, but true cycle.

¤-Elessar-¤

05-31-2002, 06:46 PM

yes, all too true, my love. I think I have given up the leaving part, though...

Ancalagon

05-31-2002, 10:50 PM

As much as I do not care about, or worry about the RPGs side of the forum, I do get concerned when people complain that the forum is 'getting slow', 'lagging', 'boring' or any other derisory term you care to use.

This forum belongs to you lot; it is an open, members forum and you should get from it what you put in. If you know what the problems are, sort them out. Stop whining about the lack of excitement and create some for yourselves. It riles me to see reactionary posts about something that you are all in total control of. Be pro-active and make your forum work. If you have any passion for this place at all you should be taking steps to protect it, nourish it and mould it into something that is the envy of any Tolkien based forum on the net. You are already half way there, why not go the whole way and make it a success?

¤-Elessar-¤

06-01-2002, 02:04 AM

That is just it, what we have been putting our hard work into does nothing but suck it up. So many things go in different directions that do not allow what we put in to be put back out... I would quite guess that there are no laws of conservation for the forum...

Arathin

06-01-2002, 03:25 AM

Elessar, there are none that most people know of. I was hanging over a cliff in one from a tree branch and people made it like I was stuck in a tree.

Khamul

06-01-2002, 04:15 AM

We are seemingly not in agreement over the direction we would like the rpg to head. Some think war will solve this. I seriously doubt it.

Snaga

06-11-2002, 02:31 AM

OK I said I would let you know if I came across any novel ideas from a quick scoot across the internet, for how rpgs get done elsewhere. So here goes...

It is notable that rpgs is a massively broad term, and the 'play by posting' type we all know and love is but a small sub-branch. There are lots of things out there like MUSHs and play by e-mail etc, that are totally different beasts IMHO. I'm ignoring all that!

It is also noticeable that a few other forums either appear better organised for rping, or the quality of posts is higher (or both in only one case). I state that, not to slag off our own efforts, but so we know we can improve.:)

Here are things that are done differently elsewhere. I present them here without implying that I support them. I like some more than others....

(1) Giving each rp a forum of its own. Organise the rp into chapters to stop threads getting too long and unmanageable. Also include threads with cast lists, and 'ooc discussion' for the rp.

(2) Giving the rp leader 'mod' powers over the rp. So they can edit/delete posts as needed to keep the rp running smoothly, without overburdening the mods.

(3) Don't show posts on rps until they have been approved by the rp leader. This stops spamming / poor quality posts

(4) Ensure RP character profiles are 'approved' before they can be used to avoid excessive powers or unbalanced mix of characters

(5) Employ a system that rewards those who participate with 'points' of some kind (e.g. hit points/ gold / magic). Can lead to spamming!

(6) Employ some sort of 'paper and dice system' in the background

(7) Conduct the rps entirely on a 'thread as location' basis rather than 'thread as story'. (The distinction here is between things like the Senates or Pubs which are location threads, and story threads like the numbered rps).

(8) Run a 'thread as location' rp with a leader (we do not have one)

(9) Don't let new rps start without approval. RPs can only be started by longstanding members.

OK... so which of these sound good?

Beorn

06-11-2002, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by snaga1
(1) Giving each rp a forum of its own. Organise the rp into chapters to stop threads getting too long and unmanageable. Also include threads with cast lists, and 'ooc discussion' for the rp.

(2) Giving the rp leader 'mod' powers over the rp. So they can edit/delete posts as needed to keep the rp running smoothly, without overburdening the mods.

(3) Don't show posts on rps until they have been approved by the rp leader. This stops spamming / poor quality posts

1, 2, and 3 can all be done, except WM must make a new forum every time a new RP is started...once 1 is done by WM, 2, and 3, are pieces of cake (the forum allows for a user to moderate only one forum, the posts in a certain forum can be put in a queue for mods to check every once in a while...

(4) Ensure RP character profiles are 'approved' before they can be used to avoid excessive powers or unbalanced mix of characters

This requires a mod to read every post and make sure the posts are by approved members....hard....

(5) Employ a system that rewards those who participate with 'points' of some kind (e.g. hit points/ gold / magic). Can lead to spamming!
Requires a lot of hacking on the forum software, but it can be done...

(6) Employ some sort of 'paper and dice system' in the background
Huh?

(7) Conduct the rps entirely on a 'thread as location' basis rather than 'thread as story'. (The distinction here is between things like the Senates or Pubs which are location threads, and story threads like the numbered rps).

(8) Run a 'thread as location' rp with a leader (we do not have one)

(9) Don't let new rps start without approval. RPs can only be started by longstanding members.

Well, those can be done...but it requires a lot of watching...

Arathin

06-11-2002, 02:31 PM

Well like Beorn said, some of those would be easy to do, but for some of the others... I think some of those would need more mods, like cir and the others (I really don't know who many of the mods are and would perfer to not get any one mad by calling the wrong people mods.) If there were more regular mods, then each mod would be doing about the same amount of work as they're doing now, but like I said we would need a lot more mods.

Aredhel

06-11-2002, 07:41 PM

Sorry if this is a little bit late, but I have to leave soon too. Just when this 'war' is over. I agree that this forum has gone downhill. I joined on December 11, 2001 to be exact, so I missed a lot. But who liked the Rivendell RP. I thought that was okay, but what some people said was too far off. No offense to anybody. I think we should do this war, and this is probably too late. I'll stop now.

¤-Elessar-¤

06-12-2002, 07:39 PM

never too late, my dear.

Snaga, once again you have proved yourself to invest quite a lot of effort into the forum. I must applaud you on your efforts and accomplishments. I do not understan 7 and 8, perhaps you could elaborate on the terms you used there. Of course, there is always the question of who is really to say which members are good enough to start RPs, and which ideas are good and which Ideas are bad.... If we were to put the first three ideas in, which sound as though they would work the best, the number of RPs would be reduced dramatically, and entire forums would have to be deleted often. However, if we only had 3 or 4 rps at a time maybe each one would get better participation and higher quality posts...

Arathin

06-12-2002, 07:57 PM

That is an excellant idea, Elessar, and a very good point. The less rp's there are, the more people will feel pressured to post better, more usable things. Plus the less rp's people have to check, the more time they will have. So they just might actually start reading the entire rp instead of just a tiny bit or not reading it at all.

Snaga

06-13-2002, 01:15 AM

My pleasure Elessar. It was an interesting bit of research, not really a chore to do. But it is nice to be appreciated!:D

Let me clarify the ones where you or Beorn have queried:

(6) Employ some sort of 'paper and dice system' in the background. This would involve using some sort of rpg combat system (well... I suppose more than just combat possibly) to overcome a criticism that you can't really have battles because how do you know who wins.

(7) Conduct the rps entirely on a 'thread as location' basis rather than 'thread as story'. (The distinction here is between things like the Senates or Pubs which are location threads, and story threads like the numbered rps).
. OK the idea here is that you set up a forum with a whole of threads for key locations where things might take place. So you have a thread for Minas Tirith, a thread for Moria, a thread for the Prancing Pony, etc etc. You would probably have a lot of such threads. Then, rather than doing your rps on one thread per story, you move from thread to thread as your story changes location. So you might find your character is sitting in the Forsaken Inn one day talking about nothing in particular, when some other characters burst in, in the middle of a chase scene in their story. Suddenly you are part of it. You may sit in the corner sipping your beer until they depart again, or you might decide to talk to them and maybe tag along. What this means is instead of having lots of basically unconnected stories, you have one world with lots of stories running through it. Our government council threads are like this in a way, this is just to take it to the next level.

(8) Run a 'thread as location' rp with a leader (we do not have one) . Same idea really but with someone moving events along with some events that are not necessarily generated by the participants. Basically, someone doing the sort of thing Elbereth did in the Senate of Annatore (which is a 'location' thread) by generating a story line. I guess they would also be keeping people honest as far as battles are concerned too.

As for my own opinions, I don't think 5. or 6. are really good answers to the problem, but the others all have something to be said for them. I definitely feel we should go for quality not quantity.

The reason there are so many rps incidentally is that once an rp is moving it is hard for new people to join in. Things that allow people to join in without starting a new rp should be encouraged. The 'chapters' idea in (1) helps this I think.

But nothing beats the ideas in 7. and 8. IMHO for sheer accessibility. If you are just an inhabitant of the world, you can do as much or as little as you like. And like life the story was there before you arrived, and carries on after you've gone! I see it as just a progression of what we already have with our Govt Councils.

Arathin

06-13-2002, 04:19 AM

I still don't really get 8, but I think it just went right over my head and will continue to do so. 7 on the other hand, seems like a brilliant idea. I never liked how hard it was to get into a pre-started thread. You just didn't get what was going on. 7 would clear a lot of that mess up, in my opinion. I think we should at least give some of these a try and not just talk about solving the problem.

¤-Elessar-¤

06-13-2002, 05:08 PM

Snaga, 7 is quite the way the forum ran before the RP forum existed, like when everything was run out of the Silver Dragon. We had RPs going in and out like crazy. It was alot easier to understand then.... amazing...

Arathin

06-14-2002, 06:02 PM

I say we should go back to that. why did it change?

¤-Elessar-¤

06-16-2002, 01:47 AM

yes, yes, we should. Too many people, too many RPs, it became too much for one thread.

Snaga

06-16-2002, 03:42 AM

Yes. One thread would never do. Have lots of them, and it might just work. I'll have to have a look through that thread tho... I noticed someone had resurrected the thread, sort of for old times sake!:)

Ancalagon

06-16-2002, 03:48 AM

Renaming this negative sounding thread, now that you all sound so positive:)

Arathin

06-16-2002, 07:35 PM

Good idea. So what are we going to change and how, if anything at all?

ReadWryt

06-16-2002, 07:48 PM

Don't for a minute think that the Webmaster and I aren't keeping an eye on you lot! We know what you are saying in here and making note of it for our records...*Snicker* Actually, there are some great ideas in here, and Dave and I have been discussing some changes that we want to make by August, not the least of which is to break the PRG section into it's own forum (Run a parallel copy of VBulletin with just the RPG in it so that people who are not into RPG can use the Main Forum without wading through listings of Role Playing posts in their "New Posts" list, while the Role Players get the best of both worlds because when they go to the RP forum they can pull up a list of just the New RP posts.), which is one of the reasons for moving all those "Guild" threads into their own forums over here. This will facilitate shifting a lot of the RP to the new set up. We are also working on a plot which, when done, might let us set up Web Space specifically for particular RP sessions, and perhaps we may be able to set it up so that you could have a different Avatar, Location and Signature in each place. We have been kicking these thoughts around for quite a while now...Let me know what you think...

R.W.

Arathin

06-17-2002, 02:17 AM

Sounds good to me. Also sounds like a boatload of work. Good luck!

And don't shoot the dog!!!

LadyGaladriel

06-17-2002, 11:34 AM

*Glares*

No offence but some of your think that LOTR is your life! I mean its a forum. Its a plce to come , have a laugh talk ect. T5his * Golden Age* stuff is riduculous. It couldmake some of the new members feel left out. Lets pretend that we are adults and chill out.

Arathin

06-17-2002, 03:48 PM

Let's keep working on it like we are b/c it is fun.

and ReadWryt, shoot the moderater already!!!! (no offense meant to anyone/any moderaters. you know we love you guys!)

¤-Elessar-¤

06-17-2002, 07:38 PM

Hey, if you don't like it than don't post. Some of us like to come here to have fun. And, if you don't think our fun is your kind of fun, than you don't have to try to have fun our way! Ha! .... i think I just confused myself...

Snaga

06-17-2002, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by LadyGaladriel
*Glares*

No offence but some of your think that LOTR is your life! I mean its a forum. Its a plce to come , have a laugh talk ect. T5his * Golden Age* stuff is riduculous. It couldmake some of the new members feel left out. Lets pretend that we are adults and chill out. Excuse me LG, but you are the one glaring, so you are the one that needs a chill pill here.

Feel free to come and have a laugh. We all do that too. But if we try and put a bit of effort into improve the forum, don't rain on our parade thanks.

Khamul

06-17-2002, 11:03 PM

I have to agree with Elessar and Snaga. Just because it isnt your cup of tea, doesnt mean it's not fun for others.:)

LadyGaladriel

06-18-2002, 12:17 PM

Excuse me LG, but you are the one glaring, so you are the one that needs a chill pill here.

Im glaring because I feel that this golden age stuff makes newbies feel left out (see Glorfindal Gals thread)

Is this fun thing pointed at me ??? :confused:

Ancalagon

06-18-2002, 02:26 PM

I understand all your concerns and will reiterate a valid point; the Forum is a large community appealing to people who have very different tastes. Find which areas you like, begin to participate or introduce yourself and enjoy what has been created by those members who frequent it.

I have no interest in RPGs therefore I don't post within it. Simple, each to their own.

As for new members, we are looking at various ways of blending them into the forum, with the possibility of offering more guidance to finding their way around.
I like the idea of a instant buddy system or introductory inbox message for new members; wonder if the WM would consider a way to develop this?