War? To be or not to be?

[Lorien]

I'm totally serious here so no crazy posts please. I want to have a poll whether a war should be started or not. And please leave a short and simple reason for it also. I'm giving this poll 10 days so please leave an answer within that period.

[chrysophalax]

Of course! And may evil triumph! Nothing like a good, warm blood-bath now and then!

[Ecthelion]

Yes, we need some action on this forum.

[Kit Baggins]

Definately.

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~Kit :)

[Aerin]

I say nay to the war; it would be too much trouble and bother to organize and conduct a *relatively* neat and clean war.

I don't know how many of you were here when we've had previous threats of war; nothing has ever come of it except people declaring alliances.

If some people would opt to moderate (I'm not just saying moderator-moderators) the war - keeping it fair and 'clean' - it could serve to ease the tense atmosphere which the PP has seemed to acquire lately.

[Valar]

I very Valid Point, but who is worthy of such a postition. It would have to be a very acive member, with no ties to people or land. A person willing and with the right credentials will be hard find.
I also think alot of people are just thinking of just a war for war sake. I do not want that. If war broke out it would have to be properly founded, not just for fun.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Or, we could have turns, like jury duty (very strange simile..). One person could dissolve all claims to any lands, alliances, friends, ect, while he is IC for a period of time, whenever an offical RP starts up. This person would have absolute authority over that RP, and everyone participating in it. However, in the spirit of Democracy, if (either 1/2 or 1/3) of the people participating are dissatisfied with the moderator, a new one should be chosen... whatd'ya think?

[Dengen-Goroth]

No, a pointless folly where none will admit defeat is not worth anything. And a fabricated war none-the-less would be rediculous to carry out.

[Istar]

I don't RP on the forum (I play D&D), but I know that wars aren't thought out. If someone wants to have a war, then declare it! Find a reason to attack another country, choose sides, and begin the battle! However, people here seem way too attached to their characters to have them die. A war would start way too many disagreements unless there was some rules system that everyone could adhere to.

And while I'm on the subject, does anyone have a link to RP #5? I heard it's the only good one, and I can't find it. Thanks.

[Valar]

I wouldn't say it was the only good one, but it has set a standerd yet to be bettered. There has been some good RPs and there still are. RP 35 for example and 19. But sometimes these are shrouded by pointless stupid ones.

[Aerin]

Having a "jury" would not work in the least. Anyone who took their post would take away their opponents' lands and try to win through 'dirty fighting'.

Someone with no ties to land or allegiances would be preferable - two would probably be the best. Or, even if someone had land, they could choose to remain completely neutral and moderate the war. However, if a majority of those included in the war agree that the temporary moderator is overstepping his/her bounds, then the moderator should be voted out.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

in response to Aerin- Yes, good point, but no one will want to be a permenant judge. Those who have no ties and no land are those who don't like to RP or are not interested in it, and how are you going to get someone like that to judge an RP? I was thinking that we could freeze the assets of the judge, or have him appoint someone to rule in his place. That was the only Idea that made sense to me...

[Istar]

I could judge. I have no ties anywhere and I don't even have a character. I didn't want to start RPing because of how much everyone complains about it. I'm not sure you want me, though, because I'm so new.

[Aerin]

What we need in a judge is *complete* neutrality.

Istar, if you would like to be a judge of the war, you seem well suited for it. Do you know the basics of RPing? :)

[Istar]

I know the basics, I'm the DM (dungeon master; the guy in charge) for my Dungeons and Dragons group most of the time. I'll read through the RP manual again, also.

[Ecthelion]

I have an idea. Either use Isitar or see if a Mod that doesn't RP will judge.

[Anarchist]

I voted yes. War is not a pleasant thing but it allows some people to prove themselves, to show their bravery and their dedication to their beliefs. Also, when the lust of battle overtakes you, there is nothing better than cutting off some heads! Revenge is always sweet!!!

[Aerin]

Perhaps if one of the non-RPing mods and Istar would work together, they could monitor the war and keep it "fair". :)

[Ecthelion]

That's what I'm thinking Aerin.

[Goldberry344]

i didnt vote yet....what would it be a war about?? just a war for the sake of war would be boreing and pointless. It would be hard to keep interested in fighting a war if you dont know what you're fighting for. or if your fighting for something you dont care about. SOOO what would the war be fought over?

[HLGStrider]

It could end up in a mess, but it could also be interesting... It wouldn't be any fun for me. I don't have a kingdom or land. I am not much of a soldier... If you want to use the Dragon for USO headquarters I'm fine with that. :D

[Ciryaher]

*farts in the general direction of pacifists*

If there is a war, it will be kept strictly in check by myself and perhaps Istar as the impartial judge. This war will go like the last real war (which very few of you witnessed, since it took place in the depths of time) between forum members. That worked out extremely well because people weren't afraid to lose and everyone did their thing well.

[Goldberry344]

Well excuse me for wanting to know what i'm fighting for. besides, im a pacifist by religion... though i dont really care about rp wars that much. but it would be useful to have a plot around the war.

[EverEve]

I'd be extremely happy to have a war.....as soon as I know what it's about!

[Goldberry344]

Thank you, Eve! you rock. :D

[Snaga]

What have we come to when people can't find an excuse for war?:D

Anyways... if we are to have a war, then the only way it will be conducted in a proper way is if the story is more important than people's personal pride (which is their ooc pride of course. Be as proud as you should be ic).

But if the story is important, a war for no reason just doesn't do it for me.

[HLGStrider]

We need sides before we have a grievance and one side will have to agree to be the one that offends or attacks, etc... Meaning the one in the wrong.

Unless, of course, it is a war of conquest type thing where there is something everybody wants and it is a race to occupy the land where this something lies, dig in, and protect it...

Say, a mountain with magical, fountain of youth properties or a rich vein of mithril. It lies in unclaimed land or land where the claim is weak enough that it doesn't seem that bad to run it over. Two armies rush to take over and occupy the land. One gets there first, the second, however, is not cowed. It attacks the smaller but well fortified enemy. They go over and over the area, and eventually, one side retreats and the land is claimed by the victor.

Or something like that.

[HLGStrider]

Or else I could set myself up as Helen of Troy and you could all fight over me...

[EverEve]

LOL Elgee! And Snaga, we have all failed miserably! There isnt a thing anyone has thought of to fight over....that makes sense or is worth fighting over. O, woe is me!!!:D ;) :p

[Goldberry344]

Elgee, you stole my idea from Valar and Elbe's wedding thread...Isn't a GOOD idea? ;)

[HLGStrider]

Posting to see what the person above me posted...

I'm sorry that I have to do this guys. It is a real downside to my computer...

While I'm here, we could have a war based on an old vow of some sort recently discovered... just to throw out some ideas... A vow made that someone's grandson would own some city... something like that... etc.

[HLGStrider]

What did I steal???

Sorry, I must not have been paying attention again...

EVE DOESN'T THINK I'M WORTH FIGHTING FOR!!!

Elgee faints.

[Goldberry344]

*sigh* Elgee, in Valar and Elbe's wedding thread, we were talking about how guys dont do romantic stuff, and i said that they could fight a war over me. but then again its a rather common idea...

[HLGStrider]

Especially since we're so beautiful...

Actually, I think my ideas were rather good...

What religion are you, Goldie, by the way?

[Goldberry344]

yes we are...

I'm a Quaker.

[EverEve]

Seriously? That's cool. Elgee, I didnt mean you weren't worth fighting over, I meant.......well, I guess that is what I meant. ;)jk!

[HLGStrider]

Again posting so I can see what has been posted...

We could fight over a civil war.

[Goldberry344]

Owch, thats harsh, eve.

[EverEve]

I said I was kidding!!!!! Im sorry *sob*!

Why dont we fight over a piece of land or something. Like, two or three countries could disagree over a boundary or something....

[Goldberry344]

land is boreing. who would want more? too much effort to keep up with it

[EverEve]

it was just a suggestion! pleez, dont yell at me!!!! we could fight over.....um........an unfair or corrupt trading thing. Like one side gives the agreed amount while the other says it is giving them something, while they are actually giving less. You know, the whole lies and deception deal...

[Ecthelion]

I KNOW! Lets say the world is coming to an end and will kill everyone except fopr 2 people. Everyone in ME can fight to the death! nevermind a little to bloody for me. How about one group of people were constantly killing farmers/outlanders of other groups making the other group mad starting a war between a group and another group making more grops join the war between the original group and group and then all the groups that are in the war between the real group and group fight.

[EverEve]

I suppose we could....if I had any clue as to what you just said...

[HLGStrider]

Only problem with Nain's is deciding who will be the "bad guy".

[Goldberry344]

I dont get Nains idea...but...

you know Arathin's fight for ME thread?? welllllll.... we could make the war against the "new" dark lord....

just an idee.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Sorry to interrupt your...interesting conversation, but...

Goldberry, I don't think that would work. We are looking for an rp between actuall forum members, one that creates tension and strife, rather than to prolong this peaceful boring stuff we seem to be stuck in.

How does this sound. One nation grows far to large. Many kings see the powerful, smart lord as a threat to their thrones. The people see the growing nation as a threat to their cultures and their daily life. So, without warning, the nations strike the larger one, out of fear more than anything else. Thus making it, in a way, many peoples fault, instead of the one person you suggest.

[EverEve]

OOOHHHH, Eve likes!

[HLGStrider]

I like it too... I suppose you have a king in mind... :rolleyes:

[Elbereth]

Elessar, I like your idea...but I believe that there has to be something that will spark the conflict.
Here is my idea...and one that I have already posted (see Senate of Atannore):

"The village of Meltestasia has been taken siege by a band of renagades who have claimed it for their own. Many unwilling townsfolk have been driven from their lands, their homes burned, and their crops mangled."

The cause for the attack is still unrevealed...but evil is brewing and I anticipate that this is merely the start of the corruption of evil forces building.

I am developing a full plot as we speak...but I welcome your comments and invite you to PM me concerning this growing disturbance in Earhwesta.

[Eomer Dinmention]

Yes but thats in your area. We want something that we can all join in

[Snaga]

Originally posted by ¤-Elessar-¤
Sorry to interrupt your...interesting conversation, but...

Goldberry, I don't think that would work. We are looking for an rp between actuall forum members, one that creates tension and strife, rather than to prolong this peaceful boring stuff we seem to be stuck in.

How does this sound. One nation grows far to large. Many kings see the powerful, smart lord as a threat to their thrones. The people see the growing nation as a threat to their cultures and their daily life. So, without warning, the nations strike the larger one, out of fear more than anything else. Thus making it, in a way, many peoples fault, instead of the one person you suggest.

Ohhh... and who could that be ??:rolleyes:

[Aerin]

'Twould seem war is brewing even though there has been no definite thing to war upon. One must ask, however, which side will you choose?

[¤-Elessar-¤]

now, you must see, Eglee, that the war these people are looking for does not exist upon a made up group of people. It must be between real forum members. It must be war by one country upon another. Too often have we faced common threats, and they grow weaker until they are no longer threats, just trips to find catfood...ooops, did I say that?

[Snaga]

I suggest all the powers of the world unite to destroy cats, and their friends everywhere! :D

[Khamul]

I second the motion.

[Valar]

Thats one of your better ideas Snaga

[Talierin]

*;) at Lorien* Bring out the Mithril Knights and Aslan and let's get some kitties!

[HLGStrider]

Elessar, you just can't stand anybody having fun... We've already destroyed half the spider population of Mirkwood, anyway.

MY CATS COULD TAKE YOU ON ANY DAY!!!

Aslan was a cat so he'd be on our side!!!

[HLGStrider]

Anyways, there is no point in making fun of poor Elgee when she said she liked your idea and was only laughing because you generally were after one king before and she thought it was kind of funny that you didn't go ahead and mention him by name...

[Talierin]

Aslan is a special Giant Flying Cat, he's on my side! :D :D Teamed with Spidey the Giant Spider, he's invincible!





Whoa, major thread drift here!

[HLGStrider]

Posting to see if anyone else posted... there has really got to be away to fix this computer defect...

Anyway, my starving cats will aid the war with the side that seems to be in the right or with whichever side has the most friends if neither side is in the right. If she cannot decide she will just start a red cross type thing and entertain the soldiers at the Dragon.

[HLGStrider]

Did I give you that flying cat or did you get him somewhere else? I know I sold Tarien a cat... did I sell you one?

Anyway,

assuming we are not fighting against my cats, does anyone object to Elessar's idea on a reasonable ground?

[Khamul]

You sure like double posting.........:rolleyes:

[Talierin]

No, I raised him on planet XV9.

[Ciryaher]

If there is a serious war, there will be NO CATS...that goes for all other silly creatures as well. Wars should be fought by humanoids, as was in LotR.

[Khamul]

And no holy hand grenades please.

Hopefully, these types of posts will be ignored by the other people in the war, and also deleted by a mod.

[EverEve]

I have to agree. Cats and Holy hand grenades are distracting.

[Snaga]

Just in case we have a war can I say this.

I want to make it known now, that as a matter of policy, enemy pubs, inns, bars and nightclubs will be razed to the ground, should any of my forces come anywhere near them!

You see... I believe in solving lots of problems together!:D

Unfortunately, the desire to do this is not strong enough to lead me to start a war merely to carry this out. Sorry.;)

[¤-Elessar-¤]

hmm... I didn't think of that. Sounds like a good cause to me... there are a few annoying newbs that I would like to scewer(sp) on the end of a spear...

[Istar]

How's this: A cache of hidden treasure was found clearly within the borders of one country. However, it was a long-lost heirloom of the king's family of another country whose borders have recently changed. And to top it all off, the Dark Lord wants it because a certain item within this trove wields great power.

Just a (vague) thought.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

I dunno. It would be hard to get Dengen into any kind of Offensive move. Someone would have to attack the 'dark lord' for him to be involved.

[Aerin]

Holy hand grenades bring life to the party! ;) :D

I do not mean to offend, but some of the ideas for war that have been offered here seem rather far-fetched. If there is to be war, let it be serious and in earnest. Sadly, that means no holy hand grenades... *sniff* :D hehe

[HLGStrider]

I'm gonna miss 'um too...

The Dragon will not take sides for fear of Snaga.

[Khamul]

*Drygo hears a whisper in the background* "The Dragon declares war on all who hate cats!!!!!!!"

Did I just hear that?

[Theoden]

Because I am for peace, I am for war.

The nature of mankind is fallen, and so we will always have those who are greedy and selfish and uncaring when it comes to the needs of others. There have been wars that should not have come about, but that needed to be faught once started. I could name dozens of examples from history but you get my point.

[Eomer Dinmention]

We should all have a game of Worms Armageddon and Aerin you can have ur Holy Grenade and i'll have my cow that blows up hehehehe

[Lorien]

Get Spidey and Aslan and murder oversized felines. Throw in the Holy Hand Greanade for that too. Don't worry I guarentee something is going to happen.;)

Tal and Cir- Look at my title. Woohoo!

[HLGStrider]

OK!!!

I've got a varient war cause on Elessars...

We need a large kingdom like he suggested, a smaller one but large in power, and a little insy teensy kingdom... but very strategically placed. All right try to listen because I expect to be disjointed...

There is a delicate balance between the large, overly powerful nation and its rival which some how pivots on this tiny country (My origenal idea was something about trade routes). Then the king of the little country dies and the big ruler decides (based on some distant relation) he is next in line for the throne. The rival country doesn't agree and takes over the little country to prevent it from falling into the bigger kings hands...

I'm already working on a novel with a similar conflict.

[Mrs. Baggins]

Why not a war? It would liven things up a little!!!

[HLGStrider]

Especially if we added Nukes...

Okay okay... bad joke... sorry

[Ancalagon]

From what I gather you all have certain lands, affiliations etc. within the forum. If you are going to start a war, why not ensure that you split into separate threads and a maximum of 4 like-minded representatives pitch battle against 4 of the opposition. Another thread can be started on a separate front; again fighting a separate battle but within the same overall war. Select arbitors to manage the conflicts and agree winners of each battle. Draw out an agrred map whereby the two sides can effectively control who they battle, what areas they wish to attack, and an agreed maximum force at your disposal.
Set a time limit on each battle, whereby each group who is defeated leaves the overall war and by a process of elimination you are left with a victor.

Note the difference between battle and war!

Then again, since I don't ever bother with this section you probably already do this, so I will just shut-up and sit back down:)

[Elbereth]

Ancalagon, I think you have a good idea there. It would make a lot of sense and it would clear up alot of the confusion of who is fighting who and for what reason. And each region can shine in their own right.

My only suggestion is that if we do this, then we should set up a war planning thread so that we can decide who is fighting who and when.

[HLGStrider]

HORRAY FOR ANGOCLAN... I misspelt your name, didn't I?

Can I call you Annie?

Like Skywalker!!!

[¤-Elessar-¤]

You know, that almost sounds as though it would work... I just don't know about the number of 'representatives' from each side...

[Elbereth]

Perhaps we can have reps from each side to volunteer to make a list of who is on each side and then they can post it here.

[Kyrè]

good idea

however, war is not good unless you have a valid reason

[Khamul]

One question:Who will fight who? The DL does not have enough representatives to fight four or five different battles at a time. Seemingly all are allied against us, thus making the DL the obvious attackee. For this to work, those allied now will need to revoke their alliances and bring war upon each other.

[Ancalagon]

I imagine while this is being debated some shrewd characters have been building agreements and allies in the background. As for a reason? There is always a reason to start a war; land, water, wealth, religion and more.

However, the fact remains that you must organise the process. You absolutely need to split the battles and waring parties. You absolutely must have an independent arbitrator to effectively referee the fight or else it will simply get out of hand and proportion.

Why not ask people outside the hallows of the RPG forum, surely if you have the war sectioned, then there are many members who have no part in RPGs who would be more than happy to assist.

[Khamul]

Such as yourself? You seem to be hinting at it.:rolleyes:

But, we still have not come up with a specific reason for war. Any suggestions?

[Ancalagon]

Sorry to burst your bubble; I would not be interested in acting as an RPG referee. I am a moderator, not arbitor (well, not in the RPG sense of arbitration) and will keep an eye from a distance. You have a lot of members out there, use them.

[Istar]

Hi, remember me? I already volunteered for arbitrator.

[Khamul]

Yes, we remember you. I am just wondering how many "referees" we want to have.

[HLGStrider]

I know better than to volonteer... though I like to mess with things... You'd never take me... and I probably am not strategic minded enough...

[Aerin]

For "referees" we need two (maybe three) people who are completely neutral and willing to spend their time monitoring war threads. Any unfair attacks would be discussed between the two monitors and dealt with.

[Elbereth]

Ok, I have to reiterate a point I made earlier here.

Everyone is so busy complaining around here...but no one is doing anything about it. I believe that complaints are only legitimate if they are constructive. Otherwise it's just all a bunch of hot air.

I admit that not everyone is guilty of inaction. There have been small baby steps toward a solution. However, my biggest complaint is that those who are complaining the most have been the one's who are most reluctant to do anything about it.

We need to start taking the action needed toward a solution. If war is the solution, then so be it. If not, we need to start brainstorming for something else.

[Aerin]

As I've said before, I think a war will help settle some of the 'problems' the forum is having.
However, we cannot rush headlong into a chaotic war; that would be destructive. If everyone thinks that Istar will be able to handle watching the war, then putting the war off is rather silly.

Let's not be hasty... but let's act soon. ;)

[Elbereth]

I am in total agreement Aerin. ;)

[HLGStrider]

Let's get started... come on!!! Let's get started!!!

Elgee jumps up and down like a small dog.