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[Ancalagon]

THE RULES OF OST-in-EDHIL

Basically there a only a few simple rules to this Guild. Please sign up to these if you agree, or post a comment if you wish to amend or add anything further;

1. To join the Guild, potential members can be any age.

2. You must be fully committed to the preservation of the Guild and its members.

3. You must be willing to participate on a regular basis and contribute as often as possible (not withstanding work or personal commitments)for the benefit of your colleagues and the momentum of the Guild.

4. No personal attacks on fellow members.

5. This Guild is a democratic process and decisions on challenging other Guilds to open debate must be agreed by the majority.

6. All forum members (who are not signed members of the Guild of Ost-in-Edhil) are allowed to participate in the Guilds threads, except 'RPGs', which belongs exclusively to the Guild membership. This allows the Guild to field a members only team in inter-Guild debates, if other Guilds manage to ever put a team together potent enough to challenge us.

If you can think of anything else please feel free to add it to the list.

[chrysophalax]

I stand in full agreement, say I!!

[Thorin]

I agree with all but 6....If anyone can contribute, why bother having a "geezer's" guild? I would assume that there is a forum of the ancients for the reason that when I come in, I know that I am speaking and dialoguing to only the geriatrics of the forum (no disrespect to all the wonderful teenagers we have here....;) )

[Ancalagon]

Point taken Thorin, I have amended 6.

[Ancalagon]

I have amended 6 again to ensure that we do not act in any way prohibitory to the Forum as a whole. This is in line with the WMs posts in another thread.

6. All forum members (who are not signed members of the Guild of Ost-in-Edhil) are allowed to participate in the Guilds threads, except 'RPGs', which belongs exclusively to the Guild membership. This allows the Guild to field a members only team in inter-Guild debates, if other Guilds manage to ever put a team together potent enough to challenge us.

[7doubles]

well what abought at least one "old tmers lodge" where only members could partisapate in matre debates

[Thorin]

I again don't agree with # 6, but I suppose there's nothing that can be done....I suppose when you whine long and hard enough, you get your own way....

In my opinion, now the Guild of Ost-in-Edhil is really nothing more than another forum room where everyone can participate...Why bother having one? Why bother being a member....Well, Anc, considering I don't get into the RPGs, I suppose you might as well remove my name from the Guild, seeing as it is basically a redundant position....

Dang, I was hoping that the older folks could have a decent forum room, but heaven forbid!!! That would be discriminatory!!! Heaven forbid that one can't go and talk in the many other rooms or form other guild's to satisfy one's narrow viewpoint! It sounds like a little kid who has dozen's of toys to choose from, but wants the one little toy that the other kid is playing with.....

Give me a break....:rolleyes:

[7doubles]

we could always start a new tred in this guild named "boring discustions"
where the origonal rules except #6 apply.
it could be like a lodge or a memers only club

[Ancalagon]

Well Thorin, you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time!

This rule 6 seems to be the bone of contention; how do you feel we can resolve it? I am still very much of the opinion that the original idea should stand, though we do need some flexibility.

[Grond]

Sorry to be so late in jumping in (feet first, so to speak) but I think it imperative that we be able to have both open and closed discussions in our Guild; otherwise, as Thorin has suggested, the Guild serves no function whatsoever (save having the Guild logo in your sig.)

Would WM allow us that lattitude?

[Arvedui]

Aye Grond. Thou speakest well. Hammer on!

[7doubles]

i agree grond. by the way whats new on the debate matter?

[Walter]

I just read in a thread of the Periaurs that we are referred to as a "debating guild".

Are we?

[Tyaronumen]

I think the answer to that question is highly debatable.

:D

[Ancalagon]

Well, we are a Guild and we sometimes debate, so we could be construed as a 'debating Guild!' However, as Ty said, it is very much a subject for debate. I for one am not avers................................boring:)

[Walter]

I see, thanks, Anc.

[Walter]

Top 11 posters of the last month (if I counted correctly):

Anc: 20
Walter: 19
(Lhun: 12)
Arvedui: 10
(Maedhros: 8)
(Nöm: 7)
Chymaera: 6
7doubles: 3
(ManweSulimo:2)
RD: 1
Turgon: 1
(Elbereth: 1)
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Total: 90

Posts Guild-members:60
(Posts Guests: 30)

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Guild Members Statistics (20members):

Average: 3 posts/day or
3 posts/guildmember or
0,1 memberposts/day



I omitted the 1:1 debate between Anc and Nenya
PS: I was lucky with all that even numbers even my poor maths sufficed ;)

[Arvedui]

I get your point.

Seems as if the guild-members are quite busy elsewhere, or busy posting in the question bank. Except from Anc, who is busy everywhere...

So.. What do we do about this? Is there any interest in creating any activity? My sideview goes to the question bank. Isn't there something there that we could start with? Do we have to save it for some might-come-one day-debate? I think not

[Walter]

Well, of course I have to say "The OiE-TTW joint venture project"... ;)

But seriously, I think that any ideas for activities, which on the one hand increase the guild activity and on the other increase the "community-feeling" serve equally well....

[7doubles]

now i have a "whopping" 4 posts! juppen jimminese...thats spelled wrong, oh well.

[Walter]

Be careful, with so many posts you might get a warning for "flooding" the guild.... :D

[Nóm]

Wasn't sure where to post this so I guess I'll do it here.

A couple of you know this already but I thought I'd make it official. I have wanted to debate against OiE since September or so. It continues to not happen. I really can not imagne how this will ever happend, so I may as well ask. Will you guys debate against me?

Even the Periaur who had only debated once and long ago, got to take you guys on. It is not fair I tell you.:p

[Ancalagon]

Well, I can't speak for the rest of the Guild, but I would certainly like to take you up on your challenge, as I am quite sure a number of the mebers within would. However, it rests with Turgon as to who a final team may be. It takes a stern challenge to wake the weary warriors within these walls and this might just do the trick;)

[Arvedui]

I would love to debate against you, Nóm.
It is nice to have a debate every now and then. But as Anc says, Turgon will have the final say in this matter.

[7doubles]

go away, sonshine

[Nóm]

Originally posted by 7doubles
go away, sonshine
I don't even know you. Why do you say these things to me when I post in the OiE?
I may have suspected it was the disgraceful way I handled myself in the recent mess with the forum leadership, had you not done these things in the past.

I do not expect 7doubles little comments to me are indicative of the rest of the OiE's thoughts?

I would think at least not Arvedui, or my friend Gothmog.

What 7doubles says is very unwelcoming, to me at least.

[Gothmog]

Originally posted by 7doubles
go away, sonshine Would you please explain this comment? I for one would like to be enlightned as to whom it is directed and why.

[Walter]

Nóm: why do you think this post was directed at you?

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7doubles: I too would like to see a brief explanation who this comment was directed at and why? At any rate it was unnecessary and uncalled for...

[Nóm]

Nóm: why do you think this post was directed at you?

Well similar comment 'go back to the kiddie table, Nom' and later 'skidoo' (which I am told means 'leave') have been directed at me from 7doubles in the past when I have posted in OiE threads that are not actual book discussions but instead deal with official business type things. I have not seen him do it to anyone else, so I assume it was directed at me this time.

I suppose I could be wrong, but I think the assumption is safe.

Last time left me wonderng if I should not post in OiE threads, and for long I only did so after asking permission or getting an invite. But lately I have posted in a couple discussions without asking, since in one case other non momebers did, and in the other case I just took a chance (elves' fear of death).

If people other than 7doubles think the things that he says but are too polite to say it, then I will leave you guys alone. I don't know.

[Gothmog]

Nóm, I can assure you that if we felt that way we would let you know. :)

You have my personal invite to these hallowed halls at any time. (At the very least it will prevent us from sleeping All the time. :D )

[Turgon]

7doubles - You need a slap sunshine... now leave Nóm alone and crawl back into your hole - there's a good fellow.

Nóm - The OiE would be honoured to debate against a worthy such as yourself. As my last job as Guildmaster (and possibly member following the above remark) I would like to accept the challenge on behalf of our guild. Should be fun, I look forward to it, just remember... our losing streak has to end somewhere...;)

[Walter]

Originally posted by Nóm
Last time left me wonderng if I should not post in OiE threads, and for long I only did so after asking permission or getting an invite. But lately I have posted in a couple discussions without asking, since in one case other non momebers did, and in the other case I just took a chance (elves' fear of death).

If people other than 7doubles think the things that he says but are too polite to say it, then I will leave you guys alone. I don't know. I think the recent posts of Gothmog, Turgon and myself have made clear to you that you are very welcome to post (and open threads) here...

[Ancalagon]

Originally posted by Turgon
7doubles - You need a slap sunshine... now leave Nóm alone and crawl back into your hole - there's a good fellow.

As my last job as Guildmaster (and possibly member following the above remark) I would like to accept the challenge on behalf of our guild.

Turgon, could I ask you to elaborate on this?!?! What do you mean 'last job'? AS Guildmaster, previously you stated you had a great many ideas etc. I had hoped you would have wished to see them come to be realised! As for 7Doubles, I see no reason why he should remain as part of this Guild any longer, his remarks at attitude are not becoming of an Ost-in-Edhil member...which I am sure he will realise when he reads this thread.

[Walter]

Originally posted by Ancalagon
As for 7Doubles, I see no reason why he should remain as part of this Guild any longer, his remarks at attitude are not becoming of an Ost-in-Edhil member...which I am sure he will realise when he reads this thread. I second this idea, I can't seem to recall any positive contributions to this guild from him.

Generally I think we should reconsider the guild-members, seeing that we have 24 members listed, some of which never made any contributions here...

See also this thread (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11675)

[Arvedui]

I propose that we give Nóm an honorary membership in the Guild.

That way she can posts as much as she want, without ever wondering about if she is welcome.
And we also send the mright message to people with the same attitude as 7doubles. I do not feel proud to be a member of the same guild as people that show such attitudes.

[Arvedui]

On basis of the level of activity in this Guild, perhaps we should consider a change of name?

As it is at the moment, I think that Dor Firn-i-Guinar is more appropriate...

Unfortunately, I don't have any ideas on how to make the Guild prosper and thrive again, but to me it seems obvious that two things (at least) is needed:

1) More members.

This one is IMO quite obvious. There are so few of us, that the debate-tournament have probably taken most of the attention that we are able to deal with as a Guild. Perhaps things will change when that is over, but I still think that we can accomodate more people in this Halls...

We could try to be active and search for possible members. I don't think that anyone of us have the time or strength to go through the complete list of members, and find those who are of the age 30+.
What we could do, is to check up on those that show interest in Tolkien, see if they are old enough, and then approach them. This could be done by each and every one of us.

2) Find Turgon.

I have seen him logged in every once and a while, but I haven't seen him post in a long time. So Turgon: if you read this, give us a sign;)

[Isthir]

I have been a member of GoS basically since I began here, but have found that the beloved Hall has become empty. I now search for a new Guild that will have me. I know not the correct place to post this, for I could not find an application page, but I do like the discussions that are here. What is it that I should do to join?

-Isthir

[rs691919]

How does one sign up for a Guild? It doesn't look like there's been much activity here, so is the Guild still functioning? What is the purpose of the Guild?

[Walter]

This guild once was founded as a refugium for members who are already in their second twens and to discuss some of the finer details of Tolkien's works in a friendly atmosphere, but it has not really been "functioning" for several months now....

[Ancalagon]

Like a blocked bowel really, there, but not functioning;)