View Full Version : Ive been gone for a few months and ive brought this very disturbing news!
Anamatar IV
07-31-2002, 06:13 PM
I have learned through my friend who has a cousin whos brothers friends dad is one of the stunt men for the lord of the rings that in the return of the king during the final battle before the Black Gate Sauron himself will come forward and face Aragorn. I was as shocked as you all.
Darth Saruman
07-31-2002, 09:35 PM
Well I'm skeptical, to say the least.
We have already seen the Eye of Sauron in Frodo's visions.
But if it is true...no big deal.
Talimon
07-31-2002, 11:23 PM
Considering that an actor was cast as the Mouth of Sauron, I don't think Sauron will come forth to present his terms. As for him coming to do battle, I don't see how that would work with Frodo destroying the ring. If Aragorn defeats Sauron then Frodo destroying the ring seems needless, and if Frodo destorys the ring and Sauron while he is fighting Aragorn then Aragorn comes off as having failed to an extent. I don't think this will happen.
Darth Saruman
08-01-2002, 01:57 AM
Originally posted by amerxtremist
I have learned through my friend who has a cousin whos brothers friends dad is one of the stunt men for the lord of the rings that in the return of the king during the final battle before the Black Gate Sauron himself will come forward and face Aragorn. I was as shocked as you all. Maybe he got it confused with the beginning of FOTR.
Gamil Zirak
08-01-2002, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by amerxtremist
I have learned through my friend who has a cousin whos brothers friends dad is one of the stunt men for the lord of the rings that in the return of the king during the final battle before the Black Gate Sauron himself will come forward and face Aragorn. I was as shocked as you all.
Is the cousin once or twice removed?
Anamatar IV
08-01-2002, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Darth Saruman
Maybe he got it confused with the beginning of FOTR.
That does seem likely but he said in the return of the king. I think jackson has killed the trilogy enough. Their great movies but almost nothing like the books.
Shion
08-02-2002, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by Gamil Zirak
Is the cousin once or twice removed?
LOL! I was thinking the same thing...
-Bon
This wouldn't surprise me at all. After Helm's Deep and Pelennor Fields how is PJ gonna make the battle at the Morannon seem as big as it'll need to? Also, I know he has big problems with the main villian existing only as an eye in people's minds. I think having Sauron take part in the battle at the Black Gate is a likely cinematic change to make. I also think it could work well to give this battle a more urgent feeling than the other two. With TSOS unfortunately cut, the 3 movies all come down to this moment, so PJ is certain to make it as big as possible.
Darth Saruman
08-02-2002, 06:19 AM
The problem is, if only Sauron's herald comes out to talk with the armies of Gondor, just out of the blue, the general audience might be wondering about just who the hell this guy is, and if he's so important, why we didn't see him before.
If Sauron himself comes out, it might eliminate some of that potential confusion for the non Tolkien readers.
Grond
08-02-2002, 06:38 AM
The Mouth of Sauron is definately in the film. Pictures abound of him on theonering.com. Sauron himself could easily make an appearance also. He could be in the middle of the battle when the Ring is cast in Orodruin and instead of us seeing a vast shape hovering over Barad-dur (as in the book) we would see Sauron vaporize in front of the audience. A great cinematic effect which would go right along with the many other unnecessary changes PJ has made in rewriting the book to fit HIS movie.
Talimon
08-02-2002, 12:20 PM
A great cinematic effect which would go right along with the many other unnecessary changes PJ has made in rewriting the book to fit HIS movie.
Not that I think this change should be made, but why do you find the fact that it is HIS movie so note-worthy? It is obviously his movie, no body elses. Not Tolkiens, not the fans. He made it. More to the point, get it straight that he doesn't owe anybody anything, not Tolkien and not the fans. To me this seems very obvious, and yet people seem to think it's the biggest news in the world. When you walk into the theatre, just keep in mind that you are watching an adaptation of Tolkiens tale. While you have the right to say you don't agree with it, I don't think critiquing it as a movie based on such views is valid.
Grond
08-02-2002, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Talimon
Not that I think this change should be made, but why do you find the fact that it is HIS movie so note-worthy? It is obviously his movie, no body elses. Not Tolkiens, not the fans. He made it. More to the point, get it straight that he doesn't owe anybody anything, not Tolkien and not the fans. To me this seems very obvious, and yet people seem to think it's the biggest news in the world. When you walk into the theatre, just keep in mind that you are watching an adaptation of Tolkiens tale. While you have the right to say you don't agree with it, I don't think critiquing it as a movie based on such views is valid. I was going to refer you to my post on the "pick-ups" thread, but I see that you've already posted a response to it. :)
I can only state what I have seen and read both on the internet and in trade publications. It states much the same thing in the movie guide. (Give it a read.) Nevermind... I'll provide you with links and quotes good Talimon over the weekend.
Finally Talimon, we are each entitled to our opinion. I have stated how I am able to enjoy the movie yet am still disappointed by the UNNECESSARY changes from the plot of JRRT. I appreciate your opinion concerning the movies and while you may not agree with mine... I hope you will reciprocate in appreciating my position.
Flame of Anor
08-02-2002, 09:16 PM
Are you sure it wasn't the Mouth of Sauron?? I would think it to be that than rather than Sauron. And that info coming down the grape vine like that it could be a little out of wack.
-Flame
Gamil Zirak
08-02-2002, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by Flame_of_Anor
And that info coming down the grape vine like that it could be a little out of wack.
Yeah. Hasn't anyone played telephone before (or telly in Britain)?
Darth Saruman
08-08-2002, 03:53 AM
Spoilers....
I was just thinking that if this new rumour is true, it could be that Aragorn himself is going to fight armored Sauron. That way it will mirror the start of the first movie, which has Isildur fight Sauron about 3 thousand years before. It would be an interesting way of bridging the very beginning of the trilogy to the end, as well as adding spice to the battle before the black gate. Of course, Aragorn would have no chance of winning, and would be getting the **** kicked out of him, but that wouldn't matter when Frodo and Gollum destroy the ring.
BelDain
08-08-2002, 09:52 PM
That would be ridiculous if PJ puts the major emphasis on the feint maneuver at the Morannon rather than Frodo and Sam at Orodruin.
BelDain
08-08-2002, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by Darth Saruman
Spoilers....
I was just thinking that if this new rumour is true, it could be that Aragorn himself is going to fight armored Sauron. That way it will mirror the start of the first movie, which has Isildur fight Sauron about 3 thousand years before. It would be an interesting way of bridging the very beginning of the trilogy to the end, as well as adding spice to the battle before the black gate. Of course, Aragorn would have no chance of winning, and would be getting the **** kicked out of him, but that wouldn't matter when Frodo and Gollum destroy the ring.
yeah...an interesting way of totally rewriting the story, again.
Grond
08-08-2002, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by BelDain
yeah...an interesting way of totally rewriting the story, again. LOL... but good BelDain, if we are to have any hope of enjoying the movie, we must put those issues out of our mind. After all, it isn't J. R. R. T.'s Lord of the Rings we are watching... it is a mere mortal's adaptation of it. ;)
Beorn
08-10-2002, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by amerxtremist
I have learned through my friend who has a cousin whos brothers friends dad is one of the stunt men for the lord of the rings that in the return of the king during the final battle before the Black Gate Sauron himself will come forward and face Aragorn. I was as shocked as you all.
If that's true, who's going to join my (new founded) cult?
The problem is, if only Sauron's herald comes out to talk with the armies of Gondor, just out of the blue, the general audience might be wondering about just who the hell this guy is, and if he's so important, why we didn't see him before.
If Sauron himself comes out, it might eliminate some of that potential confusion for the non Tolkien readers.
The other problem is, eyes can't talk :)
Grond
08-10-2002, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by Beorn
The other problem is, eyes can't talk :) Beorn, Beorn, Beorn... we have already resolved this on another thread. Smeagol/Gollum makes it clear to me in his conversation with Sam and Frodo that he has seen Sauron. from The Two Towers, The Black Gate is Closed
`That would be Minas Ithil that Isildur the son of Elendil built ' said Frodo. `It was Isildur who cut off the finger of the Enemy.'
`Yes, He has only four on the Black Hand, but they are enough,' said Gollum shuddering. 'And He hated Isildur's city.'That is a clear indication to me that Gollum has gazed on the physical manifestation of the Dark Lord Sauron.
Yes, the Eye is only the manifestation of Sauron's spirit/will that appears in one's mind. There's not actually a room in Barad-Dur with an eye sitting there.
Ringwraith
08-20-2002, 08:21 PM
I think the best way to implement the addition of Sauron into the final battle is too have him come out in a less daunting form than in fotr. I would make him walk slowly with everyone else stopping and all his minnions moving out of his way, the only two who stand before him are Gandalf and Aragorn.
As it seems he is about to strike, Frodo puts the ring on his finger in mount doom and Sauron lets off a scream; leaving his bodily form (he takes the form of a dragan like spirit), he and the Nazgul fly to Mount Doom. When the ring is destroyed emphasis should be on how Sauron disappears. I think the best way would be: Once the ring is destroyed the Nazgul fade leaving only their clothes on their beasts. Whilst Sauron looks upon everything with a scared look on his face, whilst slowly a wind from the west blows and he tries fleeing in terror but it blows him away into nothingness (like how Saruman dies in the ROTK).
Oh God! (or should I say Eru)
This is the first time I've logged on to the Tolkien Forum in almost three months. I was curious as to what to expect in the TT movie, remembering with a certain sense of nostalgia that at this time last year I was counting the days till the opening of FOTR. Well I am disappointed and yet not really surprised that PJ has decided to bring back Sauron himself. It will make the series more complete, and add some spice for those who have not read the book. I was disappointed at seeing Sauron in the first place in FOTR. I was not too happy when I initially saw the first movie, but have since accepted and on the rare occurrence agreed with most of PJ's changes in FOTR. But the image of Sauron I have yet to get used to. I mean, he looks like a mutated muppet version of Darth Vader. I could not take him seriously. Tolkien avoided describing Sauron in too great a detail in Lotr, and as we all know he never appears himself. And the Eye motif is only an avatar of his, as he was a vampire sort of creature in the First Age, prior to which he was a Maia of Aule and then in the second age he was 'fair to look upon'. He is more of a shadowy spirit than a flesh and blood character. Well, it is not in my hands nor in anyone else present here to change the movie. We are, scarily enough, slaves to PJ. By the way, is anyone aware of the fact that he is doing reshoots these last few months in New Zealand with most of the main characters. This in the middle of the editing process! Oh, and I really like the new look that this forum has been given. Absolutely fab. And lastly, I wonder if Yours Truly dies at Helms Deep. Does he even make an appearance?
warrior of ice
08-26-2002, 09:07 AM
i can asure you he is confuse
thats realy imposible
peter jackson wouldnt do somethin like that knowing the raction of the public
mr underhill
08-26-2002, 02:49 PM
i just picture the eye hovering over the tower and then poof!
it frazzles away once the ring has been destroyed...
Anamatar IV
08-26-2002, 05:34 PM
well maybe pj might. He made boromir evil, glamdring not glow, pebble the dead dwarf, and the weathertop scene absolutly wrong. I dont see why he wouldnt do it.
mr underhill
08-26-2002, 05:43 PM
i loved the ending to fellowship though... made me go buy the soundtrack!
Darth Saruman
08-26-2002, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by Anamatar IV
well maybe pj might. He made boromir evil
Uhhh...he made him a noble, if jaded, figure who was sorely tempted by the ring.
glamdring not glow
Why get bothered by a very minor detail like this one? He didn't want Glamdring to get confused with Frodo's sword Sting. Also, Glamdring looked cool at the place where it counted: On the Bridge of Khazadum.
pebble the dead dwarf
?
and the weathertop scene absolutly wrong. I dont see why he wouldnt do it.
I thought it was fine, though if you have a different interpretation of that scene, then all power to you.
Anamatar IV
08-26-2002, 06:30 PM
i dont mean to flame pj for changing the book all i was trying to say was that jp is a director. It shis 1st movie. He wants to make it a good one so it is very possible that he would do that. I was just sayign how pj changed the book into a better movie but still changed the book.
Gamil Zirak
08-26-2002, 07:13 PM
It isn't PJ's first movie. He's done a few before now.
Anamatar IV
08-26-2002, 09:54 PM
i thought i heard somewhere that this was peter jacksons first motion picture. What movie did he DIRECT?
Gamil Zirak
08-26-2002, 10:02 PM
Actor
• Bad Taste (1987)
Director
• Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
• Forgotten Silver (1997)
• The Frighteners (1996)
• Heavenly Creatures (1994)
• Dead Alive (1993)
• Meet the Feebles (1989)
• Bad Taste (1987)
Producer
• Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
• Meet the Feebles (1989)
Screenwriter
• Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
• Forgotten Silver (1997)
• Dead Alive (1993)
• Meet the Feebles (1989)
Anamatar IV
08-26-2002, 10:09 PM
whose 1st movie was it? :confused:
allright anyways pj just wants tomake a good movie then.
warrior of ice
08-27-2002, 03:15 AM
of course he cans
and i agree with you when you say he has change some things but not to make it better but to make it more understandable for non lotr readers
so i think that if saurons appears it is to much
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