Stupidest things non Tolkien fans have said about LOTR.

[Cuthalion81]

Okay, guys, first off:

Hi, I'm Brian. Otherwise known on the net as "Cuthalion". Believe me or no, I actually took that nickname long before I came here. It's rather a part of me now :-) Anyway, I'm a dual major in Political Science and Philosophy.

I come to you all with a request. Tolkien is one of the greatest, most influential authors in history. You know it. I know it. But there is this poor schmuck at work who apparently doesn't as he claimed to me that Tolkien was a horrible writer, had very little influence on anyone but (his words) "donkeys" who sit in the basement playind D&D, and proceeded to compare Tolkien to Harry Potter. I can take many kinds of opinions (hey, I'm a Political Science major). But this was a bit much.

So, I call upon you all to help me slam this fellow's horribly mistaken opinion :-) What I need is some good quotes from prominent sources (if the source is a Newspaper or other publication, pls include date for reference) speaking of Tolkien's influence. After all, sure we know the truth but it takes an extra firm dose of smack-down to show some people the light ;-)
-Cuthalion

[Beorn]

For anyone who likes the genre to which it belongs, the Heroic Quest, I cannot imagine a more wonderful Christmas present. . . No fiction I have read in the last five3 years has give me more joy than The Fellowship of the Ring. --W.H. Augen, NYT Review...a long time ago

It is beatiful . . . an enchanted tale of tragedy and triumph . . . The Silmarillion is magical in the old grand style . . . I adored it --Philly Inquirer

O MIGHTY TOLKIEN ! PRICE OF FANTASISTS! . . . I have just been reveling in one of the greatest litereary priveleges of my life . . . The Silmarillion . . . greater and more satisfying than both The Hobbit and LotR.

Tolkien was the father of today's fantasy. Without his contributions to writing, we would not have Harry Potter, or, basically any other famous fantasy books, such as Dune... --Me---Just Now

[Greymantle]

Donkeys! You can tell your friend I take great offence at that! ;)
As an extreme Tolkienite, a Harry Potter fan, and an avid D&Der I should come up with some grreat stuff.... btu I can't at the moment! Oh well....
Hope some of our experts get some good quotes... good luck!
And welcome! Be sure to stick around the Forum. :)

Er... might I add that Mike's third quote is from what's-his-face, author of Watership Down... hmm... Richard Adams, or something?

[Cuthalion81]

LOL. Walter, I'm sorry, it appears my playful word-usage has misconstrued what I meant. I don't really want to "slam" him (I mean, I would prefer we remained on good terms) even if what he says does get me angry and I am listening to Megadeth this morning (you know, aggressive music? Okay, okay. Bad joke.). Essentially, I would just like to hand him a small list of quotes and gently tell him that they prove my point that Tolkien has been very influential and that if he has indeed read it and doesn't like it, then it's just a taste thing and we can just leave it :-)

I don't know how much he's read. I think he read some and thought it was too boring and then put it down (crazy, IMO, but there's no accounting for taste, right?).
-Cuthalion

[The White Rider]

To think that Tolkien was merely a man who play D&D in his basement all day is ridiculous. First off the fact that he was a professor at an esteemed University/College shows that he was in fact a brilliant man. The fact that he created languages that work is also a testimony to his brilliance. A quote that shows that the Lord of the Rings makes people think is found in the first paragraph on a webiste that I found :

( http://www.leaderu.com/focus/tolkien.html )

The statement is this:

The Lord of the Rings trilogy by J.R.R. Tolkien has inspired more commentary, creativity and following than arguably any other modern-day work of art or literature. Surprisingly, it has also been interpreted by--and, thus, embraced by--the adherents of such wildly divergent philosophies as neopagans and evangelical Christians. Just what is it about these mystical, mythical and monumental books that spurs whole communities of devotees to create Web sites, Internet browsers, countless graphics, fonts and articles, take on the nomenclature and Tolkien-created languages for their own use and wait in panting anticipation for the celluloid interpretation of their beloved epic?

Lets face it Tolkien was a genius. He created stories that will live forever.

-The White Rider

[Lantarion]

Welcome, "strong bow"! :D Great opening post..
Now: Has your friend even read the LotR, or does he base his opinion on the gatherings of others? If he has read it, he is either illiterate or utterly cynical to not realize the enormous impact of the LotR.
First of all, The Lord of the Rings began modern fantasy literature. The books spawned from this masterpiece (eg. The Wheel of Time, Dragonlance, etc.) have a much more clicheic atmosphere than the LotR ever has. Anyway, if your frind said it had no impact on modern literature, I would kill him just for that. :p
And I suspect that he may have heard of the reputation and basic plots of modern fantasy stories. I would agree that they are (well, most of them anyway) awkward copycat cliches, and most of them set an atmosphere that can be compared to He-Man. D&D has been marked by this awkward setting, and is known for its geeky storylines. The LotR, or rather Middle-earth, sets a very realistic and real historical background and story, so it feels like all of this has really happened. The cryselephantine (heh, love that word) history, wonderful languages, names, heritages etc. of Tolkien's stories cannot be rivaled with, except perhaps by the Bible or simply a complete book of the history of the world.
I hope your friend is seeing all these posts; if you laid some sort of bet, I'll guarantee you'll win. ;)

[Tar-Steve]

Well, everybody's entitled to an opinion, right? I would try to find out what's forming your friend's opinion; only then will you be able to figure out where its vulnerable to being slammed.

[The White Rider]

I think what we need to understand here is that even though we know and appreciate that Tolkien was an amazing author people are entitiled to their own opinion, and all the arguing in the world may never change their mind.

-The White Rider

[Beorn]

Originally posted by Greymantle
Er... might I add that Mike's third quote is from what's-his-face, author of Watership Down... hmm... Richard Adams, or something?

Whoops...I forgot to cite the author...I think that was him...

[Greymantle]

Yup, I checked... that was him. I haven't read the book, myself, but a lot of people love it... might mean something for a Tolkien skeptic.

[King of Gondor.]

I saw this on another forum so I thought I'd start it here.

A guy I know didn't even know what the first LOTR movie was called!!

That same person thought that TTT was coming out on Aug. 6!! ( he didn't know the name of that one either ).

That's the only thing I've heard but I'd like to here what you have to say.

[Beorn]

Discussing his winning novel, Pratchett said: "Far more beguiling than the idea that evil can be destroyed by throwing a piece of expensive jewellery into a volcano is the possibility that evil can be defused by talking.

[Ravenna]

What about those who believe that the movie of TTT was deliberately named to cash in on the events of Sept 11th. Sad but true.:confused:

[Talimon]

Sorry, but that isn't very stupid. While he certainly doesn't get the point of destroying the ring, and how in forsaking it Tolkien showed the sacrifice of incredible power for the ridding of evil, he does have a point. But he can go burn in hell for taking cap-shots at Tolkien for all I care.

[Theoden]

"The Lord of the Rings is a silly waste of time because those who spend time in the imaginary world can not function when it comes to reality"

Someone I know... pathetic, I know, but true.

[Elu Thingol]

After I watched the first movie I heard somebody say

´And he didn´t even destroy the ring!? This movie was a waste of time!`

Now that was a truly stupid thing to say

[Rangerdave]

While in my local Barnes & Noble, I overheard a couple remark.
Well, they certainly didn't waste any time getting the books out did they. They even have the novelization of all three films.

Simply Incredible.

RD

[Lantarion]

OMG, I had no idea there were actually people who don't know what the LotR is! :eek: ;)
But seriously, every person I have ever known has at least heard about the LotR, and most have read it. I'm afraid I can hardly imagine somebody thinking that the movie came first.. Couldn't we send out leaflets or something?? :D

[pohuist]

I heard someone answering as to what hapenned in the book --"I don't know, I haven't seen the movie yet".

BTW, RD, yours is the best!

[Anamatar IV]

"Books! Who needs this **** like 'The Lord of the Rings'? These things are a disgrace to the human kind."

I felt like punching that ***** right there.

[pohuist]

You sould have. After all, you are an extremist:)

[Muffinly]

People have told me Star Wars was better.
Those poor, miguided people. :(

[elf boy]

Originally posted by Ravenna
What about those who believe that the movie of TTT was deliberately named to cash in on the events of Sept 11th. Sad but true.:confused:

yeah, i heard that before, I think thaz the most pitiful thing i've ever heard, I mean they probably don't even know that there are books.

[ReadWryt]

For me it's that guy in the WalMart advertisement for "The Lord of the Rings" on DVD who says "Gandalf is the MAN!". I remember seeing that commercial the first time and literally saying out loud, "No, he's actually a supernatural being akin to an Angel..."...

[Lantarion]

I can already visualize you drawing on the billboard in Magic Marker: "Actually, his true name is Olórin and he was the wisest of the Maiar in Valinor." :)

[ReadWryt]

Yeah, that and spray painting "Oberon is a fairy" on walls...

[DRavisher]

Some people just don't get it. When I had watched the movie with a friend, and I asked him what he thought of it, he said that there wasn't any story in the movie, it was all fighting.

[Rasec]

I guess these people who judge LOTR before even knowing what it is about are all stupid and nasty. They have no idea of how is the amazing feeling of travelling to Middle-Earth and feel the magic of Tolkien's work. I think it is a matter of culture. Only the ones who read will have something to tell, and will learn more and more vocabulary. And if reality exists, why not fantasy too? Ok, we cannot bring ME to real life, but in our minds, this incredible land will always live. Do not pay attention to these stupid people. And here goes something true and important:

" - Do u have a car? - she asked.
- Yes. - he answered.
- Do u have a house? - she asked again.
- I do. - he answered again.
- Do u have a valuable jewel? - she asked.
- I have my wedding-ring. - he answered, now confused.
- All these things can be robbed from u someday; but culture, my friend, is the one thing that can never be robbed. Study and learn, and this will guide u for your whole life."

Do u like it? Guess so..

Cesar Filho.

[Gil-Galad]

King of Gondor,what would you say about that:
"I don't like stories about elves,dwarves,hobbits,what's a hobbit?I'm not a child and Max you're 18 and read such books?I understand it."
That's my mother thoughts before she has read the book.After reading it she read The Sil for a night and then started UT.Now she is bigger fan than me.....

[Nenya]

SOmeone once told me that I shouldn't read **** like LOTR because it'll fill my head with stupid fancies about a world that doesn't exist. She reads Mills and Boon novels...need I say more?

[Rangerdave]

Originally posted by Nenya
SOmeone once told me that I shouldn't read **** like LOTR because it'll fill my head with stupid fancies about a world that doesn't exist. She reads Mills and Boon novels...need I say more?

Never underestimate the sheer enjoyment and majesty of ****. I fully believe that reading **** fiction can be one of the most enjoyable things one can do without removing clothing.

I myself am in the midlle of an omnibus collection of one of the worst writers ever to publish in the English language. Ian Flemming. The Bond novels are really just romance novels for men.

So get out there are read some ****.
I do

RD

[Anamatar IV]

i just heard this in achat room the other day

"They did a horrible job translation the movie into the book."

[HLGStrider]

My siblings won't read the books. They say I've told them everything there is to know about them... I wonder if they are trying to give me a gentle hint?

Shaken, not stirred, eh, RD? My brother loves the music from the Bond movies... He is going to drive me insane...

[Anamatar IV]

i heard this person when i came out of the theater for the first time...

"I was so scared when that fire thing...the balrog tried to reclaim the ring!"

[King of Gondor.]

Sorry Gil-Galad I haven't been on in a while. What was the Question?

[King of Gondor.]

Alphack, thats just about the same thing my sister said about the Balrog. Btw nothing against my sis she loves the LOTR she just doesn't know much about it yet, but I'm working on her;)

[Legolas_lover12]

this really isn't that stupid. except that she is insulting LOTR and all. but it really made me mad. my IM name is LOTR related. so my friend says to me
"devann (my name is devann by the way), change ur name. i hate LOTR and i hate having to look at ur name all the time."
then she started cussing at me. she was immediatley blocked.

[Lady_of_Gondor]

How bout this one? "Wow, that was a really crappy ending to a movie?" They didnt know that there were three or that there were books!

[Lantarion]

This isn't as stupid as it is blindly critical (and it isn't ignorant either): a friend of mine, who reads Dragonlance and plays AD&D and does all sorts of fantasy-related things, said to me whe iquestioned him about what he thught of the LotR:
"It's SO boring! Just walking, walking, walking and more walking!"
It's a bit sad how people can't look past the simple flaws of a book (in this case the rather tedious beginning), and cannot concentrate on, or even see, the greater and finer parts of a great novel. *sigh*

[HLGStrider]

Funny, my mom had a similar comment. She read it when she was like 12, needless to say that was about a quarter of a century ago, and she says all she remembers about it was the walking, that the whole thing was them climbing up a mountain.

[Windfola]

Well....

I've heard a lot of stupid remarks about tLotR--mostly from people who've never taken the time to read the books. The dumbest comment was this: "That **** is demonic! It's full of witchcraft, and you'll go to hell if you read it or have the books in your house!" :mad:

As they say, "Ignorance is bliss!" :rolleyes:

May the blessings of Elbereth be yours!


'Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!"

[Ceorl]

Now that is just plain stupid, I mean I can sort of understand people saying that about Harry Potter but they obviously dont realise that Tolkien himself was about as devout a Catholic as you can get.

Quite frankly if anyone told me that then I would seriously begin to doubt if they were even Christian themselves, as they dont seem to understand much.

[Legolas_lover12]

please don't start dissin' harry. i've seen enough of that around here. btw, i love harry potter books. not as much as lotr though.;)

[Ceorl]

I wasn't dissing ol' Harry, I enjoy those books too and I am a Christian. I am just saying that the misguided people who see bad things in these books maybe have more license to do so in the Harry Potter books.

[Legolas_lover12]

kool. i am a christain and i like them too.

[HLGStrider]

I find people have differing levels of tolerance for that sort of thing. I know pastors who read Harry Potter and though I haven't I have nothing against people who do... I see that it might be dangerous... I wouldn't let a ten year old read it without giving her a serious talk about the difference between real and make believe and good and evil.

[Legolas_lover12]

yah ...my mom did that to me (2 yrs ago when i was 10)...LOL ...i didn't really need it. seriously i'm very mature for my age.

[HLGStrider]

Gee... you must be the only mature one on this site... congrats....


;)

[Legolas_lover12]

LOL ;)

[The Necromancer]

One of my friends said this when i asked him if he'd read LOTR:"We live in Iowa, we don't read." What a hick.

[HLGStrider]

Any Iowans here to protest that statement???

Oh boy...

[Lantarion]

My old Geography teacher was from Iowa, and she had read the LotR.. Hmm, contradictory, ain't it? :p jk
"That **** is demonic! It's full of witchcraft, and you'll go to hell if you read it or have the books in your house!"
Yeah, a girl in my old class used to think so about HP.. She didn't speak alot, but she had rather strong religious opinions..
Why is it, do you think, that HP (and even LotR) and the magic within it is called evil? Why is witchcraft considered evil? I suppose in the Dark Ages anything out of the ordinary was considered work of the Devil; 'black magic' was a common term for things that were new and different, something which had not been experienced before.. But why today? I don't think anybody really thinks that somebody will set up a cult of Wiccan fanatics who want to rule over the world, based on the setting of Harry Potter- books! :D

[ReadWryt]

I dunno, Paul states in the New Testiment that Pride is a sin against God equal to that of "Divination". I don't have my old Parallel Bible to check the entemology of the original Greek word being translated to Divination to see if it means Witchcraft and it's ilk, or actually some other arcane craft like Astrology or Dowsing or something.

[HLGStrider]

The idea is that it is associated with selling out to the devil.

You may be surprised about what people decide to take as a religion. There is a whole bunch of people in England who register their religion as "Jedi Knight".

[Rangerdave]

"That **** is demonic! It's full of witchcraft, and you'll go to hell if you read it or have the books in your house!"

Oh man!

I hope that person never finds my library. Might have a problem with my collection of HP Lovecraft and Aleister Crowley works.

RD

[Raamalooke]

Ok, here's a good one. My sister said this to me one day when I asked her if she'd read LOTR.

"I don't get into that D & D stuff."

Um...........HELLO?:rolleyes:

[Goldberry344]

a girl at my school....after seeing the movie asked me "So, did they find the ring?"

you dont even need to read the books to know that one!

[Iron Maiden]

As the movie faded out and everyone was leaving one of two guys behind me stands up and says "that's ****, they don't even tell you if he destroyed the ring!" and his friend replies with " yeah but i think i heard somewhere that there is going to be a sequel."

i feel sorry for people like this

[Muffinly]

i really haven't heard anything stupid people saying about it.
But I did get into a fight about LoTR being better than Star Wars.

[HLGStrider]

I imagine that was a battle of epic preportions.

[Arvedui]

There's a great site called the Tolkien Sarcasm Page. Among other items, there is a completely twisted summary of the Lord of the Rings. Some people have actually copied that and handed it in as their own written reports. You all should use the opportunity to read the summary. It's absolutely hillarious.

[Legolas_lover12]

we would read it if u would give us the link;)

[Rangerdave]

your wish is my command

Tolkien Sarcasm Page (http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/tolksarc.htm)

RD

[AkaiAtama02]

I haven't actually seen this commercial... but I heard about it from two of my friends who thought it totally killed it so to speak... some kind of car commercial where the guy in the car is getting chased by the ringwraiths and then one of them pulls of his hood and he's this car dealer guy and he hands the guy in the car a LotR dvd. That's one of the worst I've heard about yet. It's a good thing I didn't see it yet! Hope I never have to.

And about Harry Potter... I'm a Christian... heading off to Bible college to study youth ministry tomorrow, actually... and I haven't read the books or seen the movie yet, but I have been planning to do so for some time. I don't think there's anything wrong with fiction if it's kept as fiction. Of course there will always be th psychos that go both ways, either saying "I can't believe you would read something like that! Show's your level of conviction!" or the ones that like start some kind of cult (ever fantasy series probably has one somewhere!).

Oh and here's a dumb thing that someone who has read the books several times (me!)... for the longest time I had Sauron and Saruman confused! Oh well...

[Lantarion]

Boy, I've seen that one a lot! :D
Welcome to the forums, Akai! :)

PS: Another great Tolkien-humour site (which I think I've posted somewhere on these forums before), is this page: http://216.203.248.212/UBB/Forum 7/HTML/000975.html (Monty Python FotR)

[elf boy]

Originally posted by Windfola

I've heard a lot of stupid remarks about tLotR--mostly from people who've never taken the time to read the books. The dumbest comment was this: "That **** is demonic! It's full of witchcraft, and you'll go to hell if you read it or have the books in your house!" :mad:


Who was this... I have the sudden urge to slap them! I hate to tell them, but LOTR is the greatest story ever written, and I have read the books and the hobbit 3 times each. I've also read the book of lost tales part one, (I'm looking for part 2 in hardcover) The Sil, and i'm going to start on unfinished tales soon, and i only started reading tolkien's books 3 years ago. And somehow among all that "witchcraft" and "demonic ****" I manage to get to church every Sunday morning!

[Legolas_lover12]

well, i liked that comercial. i was laughing for about 10 minutes. it's really funnier when u see it yourself. my though i was wacko though;)

[Claireee]

I agree about the comercial - I nearly fell out of my chair I was laughing so hard. I don't know why the really strong christians get upity about these books, though. Clearly their religious conviction is strong enough that they will not suddenly fall under the heathen spell just from reading novels that are clearly fantasy. Maybe I should become a Jedi warrior. Sounds fun. Unfortunately, the force and I don't get along very well. I think I'm allergic.

[HLGStrider]

You should join the Gray Side of the Force!!!

[Nahar]

"when are the books coming out, will they be as good as the movie?"

"is that french those elf people are speaking?"

tst tsk

[Anamatar IV]

thats just pathetic.

BTW--have you read the forum regulations on signaturen length? Its supposed to be 3 lines or less.

[Rangerdave]

Originally posted by Nahar
"is that french those elf people are speaking?"


Of course we're Elves! Why do you think we have the outragous accents!

RD

[HLGStrider]

No one has an accent like the INSPECTOR!!!

Your minkey is under arrest!!!

I will continue until the case is solve-ed...

Do you have a massage for me?

You have a bimp on your head!!!

[Anarchist]

This fntisism thing annoyes me a lot. I mean, I am a Christian too and a strong one I must say. But being a strong Christian and being a fanatic are two totally different things. These people who call such book demonic etc. are just fanatics, mostly people who accept the religion without sarching it deep, who go to church just to feel that they are better people not because they feel they want to go etc. Those people will attack anything that looks suspicous to them. It happens a lot not only in litrature but also in music (a lot of havy metal bands have been attacked by fanatic Christians) but gnrally evrywhere. Unfortunately this is our society today.

Now to the topic. There are indeed a lot of people who didn't read the books and went to see the movie. Some of my friend said to me: "Man the movie was fantastic, totally epic, the battles where great etc. etc. but those ******* forgot to finish it!!" Of course I gave them the books so they learn some thing about it.

[mr underhill]

my friend thinks saruman and sauron are the same person...

[Anamatar IV]

I had a conversation with my friend last nigth on AIM:

*:The best part of the movie was when the elves and guys were fighting soroman.

Me: You mean sauron, right?

*: No...the dude with the ring! The one with all the orcs

Me: Yeah...sauron

*: Then who was saruman

Me: The guy who beat the **** out of gandalf

*: Ohhh him. Well he was like saurons best friend


You can tell he didnt read the books.

[mr underhill]

a lot of people think that saurons still alive since only the ring was destroyed..... they didnt read it properly!

[Lantarion]

Originally posted by Rangerdave


Of course we're Elves! Why do you think we have the outragous accents!

RD

"What are you doing in Middle-Earth?"
"Mind your own business!"
:D

[Boromir's Lady]

A friend of mine keeps complaining - even after I have EXPLAINED it - that he didn't like the 'ending' to the movie, that it shouldn't have been ended that way, it left too many questions unanswered...

This past weekend, I went to spend the night with my best friend and took my DVD with me since she hadn't seen TLotR yet - after watching it she said 'I'm glad you watched it with me to explain what was going on! It was like trying to learn a foreign language with all their wierd names'........

:rolleyes:

[Anamatar IV]

thats why id love to have a video camera to take every where i went so i could capture other peoples stupidity on camera.

[EverEve]

my friend was complaining about the ending too. and she knows that its a trilogy, although she hasnt read it.

* YALL SHOULD BE PROUD! I HAVE TAKEN IT UPON MYSELF TO TURN THIS VERY FRIEND INTO A LOTR FANATIC. WITH ANY LUCK, I'LL BE GETTING HER ON THE FORUM SOON.....MUAHAHA!*

im a Christian, and a pretty devout one at that, but i dont see lotr as being demonic (obviously, since im here 24/7).

Im so happy for myself...my new neighbor is a LotR freak, and we're gonna have a LotR screening in November :D <--random!

[Dark_wraith]

My mate once bet me £20 that LOTR was written by Stephen King.

Even after i showed him my book he was still adamant that steven king had written the book before Tolkien and STILL wont accept that Tolkien is the author.

=BeZ=

[Anamatar IV]

thats the worst yet! Stephen King!?! If this is a horror than whats the stuff he wrote?

[Dark_wraith]

yeah my friend is pretty lacking in the brains department!!! He doesnt read much either. to be honest a yoghurt pot is challenging for him.

Have any of you guys read the Dark Tower by stephen King though??? That is very similar to LOTR and VERY good.

=BeZ=

[EverEve]

Steven King?!? LotR?!! Uh-uh! not possibl! well...ok, its possible, but that is pretty bad...

interesting friend you've got there. bring him here, i'll assure him that Tolkien is the one, and only author of LotR.:D

[Anamatar IV]

LOL!! Yogurt pot! Thats great. How about the people who refuse to read the books because they didnt like the movie.

"Howd u like the movie"
"I hated it. Aweful movie. Soooo boring"
"read the books."
"Not after that awefull movie."

[Dark_wraith]

i dont think tolkien himself could convince him otherwise!!!!!!!

[Dark_wraith]

confusticated, wrong thread man!!

My nazgul one is up a bit!!!

lol

[Anamatar IV]

these threads are so active tonight im not surprised.

[HLGStrider]

Con. Probably runs two windows both on the Tolkien site at the same time like I do so that I can be extra quick checking things out. It's easy to get confused...

I can see a little worry about H.Potter, however. You know they are now making a replica of Hogwarts that will include places to teach people magic. This is some sort of weird obsession... Some people can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality... okay... I admit if there was a LotR theme park I'd be begging to go, but this sounds a bit too much.

[EverEve]

really now? a replica of hogwarts...sounds like some peeps got way to much time on their hands :D

[HLGStrider]

Definately...

So I think that people take this Harry Potter addiction much to seriously, and I can see where there is room to be concerned.

[Claireee]

mmm. They're just going to be disipointed, too. It will be crowded, small, plastic, fake looking. Even for very small children I can't see how it would work. Unless a huge amount of money were invested in it to make it a disney land like experience.

[Dark_wraith]

:p
hehe. whats this roleplayin thing man???? Which forum is it in??? I get confused sometimes pretty easy!!! lol.

[Éomond]

It's just as dumb as Star Wars, is what the none fans say.

[Dark_wraith]

hehe, i got another one from my ever intelligent mate last night.

He is still adamant that King wrote LOTR but now he has come up with an even better argument. Apparently (according to him) Tolkien is Steven Kings pen name, and he first published the shining under the name of Tolkien.

:rolleyes:

ahhh how the stupid amuse us.....

=BeZ=

[Eliot]

Hey,
I know exactly what you mean. People make fun of me just for bringing LOTR subject up. Nobody should criticize something if they've never read it. Never judge a book by it's cover. I think it is the best fiction novel ever written in history. Bye.

[Lantarion]

What can I say: that is the most concise first post I have ever read. :D Welcome to the forum, Eliot!

[Legolas_lover12]

yes WELCOME TO THE FORUM ELIOT!!!!:D:D:D:D:D ...hope u like it here ...oh and i agree with u completely!!!

[EverEve]

Tolkien...Stephen King's pen-name...that's actually a half-way decent (although still odd) argument...interesting guy!

[HLGStrider]

Sounds like my brother... he'll make anything up to win an argument.

[ApplCobbler]

I think the worst thing I've seen happened with my friend....conversation went like this...

Me: So, have you seen Lord of the Rings yet?
*: Yes! That was that best movie I've ever seen!
Me: Well, I have to say that the book was better. Maybe you should try that...
*: Why should I read the book? That will just spoil the rest of the other two movies


After that it became an argument over me saying its because he never reads anything on free will, and him saying he reads all kinds of things...

:rolleyes:

[Rangerdave]

Remind your friend of the advice Mark Twain once gave a gentleman.

The man who does not read has no advantage over the man who can not read.

RD

[Legolas_lover12]

ooo, deep:D

[EverEve]

i thinks soo too...nice signature RD, btw.

[Anamatar IV]

great job repeating yourself

great job repeating yourself

;) :) :rolleyes:

ur sig, rd, its the 1st thing that makes sense to me in 2 things that you count for long time. ;)

[Legolas_lover12]

i like RD's and Anamatar's siggy. i also like a lot of other ppl's. u can get really good laughs just looking at ppl's siggy or theor little name under their big name or their location under their avatar (if they have one) or if they have an avatar with words ...

[Anamatar IV]

well how about the avatars themself? Fot intance i think azogs is so funny.

[HLGStrider]

yes... but highly violent... Or has he changed again?

I like my kitty...

[EverEve]

whoops:p sorry about that...not quite sure how that happened.

I happen to like my pony and my sword :)

[HLGStrider]

And does the Z in the corner stand for Zorro?

My brother is giving me a hard time because when he saw the movie with the Argonath's standing there, arms outstretched, he said they were saluting Hitler and were obviously Nazis... He has been bugging me about Nazi Numenoreans ever since.

I made up a quick excuse, saying they were beckoning towards the west towards their heritage, so to speak, but I think they were actually pointed sort of North... I know it was bogus, but I was trying to shut him up.

[EverEve]

hmm...interesting. I dont know what the Z stands for. You'll ahve to ask Pippin/Frodo. she made it for me!

[Legolas_lover12]

LOL ...now THAT's funny ...u don't even know what ur own avatar means ...LOL:D:D:D

[EverEve]

HEYYY!!!!! I told you I didnt make it!!! Im gonna go ask P/F what it means, and then I'll get back to yaz!

[Lantarion]

Elgee, you can tell your brother that the statues of the Argonath are not beckoning, but warning the approaching people. They are the boundary of the realm of Gondor, I believe, and the left hand stretched out in front of one, palm outwards, is a token of warning.
;)

[HLGStrider]

It'll take a lot more than that to convince Ben that they are not Nazis... he never surrenders.

[ApplCobbler]

threaten to stab him in the face with a soldering iron if he doesn't want to believe you.

[HLGStrider]

I've tried to trade or sell him before... nobody wants him... for some odd reason...

[Legolas_lover12]

LOL ...nobody wants my friend's little brother either ...for some odd reason ...;)

[Anamatar IV]

hey...this is a hilarious story:
Once my 2 older brothers tried to sell their older sister on the street. 10 dollars. They got 20 bidders before she said no.

[Legolas_lover12]

ROTFLAMO!!!:D:D:D:D:D

[Anamatar IV]

those three had quite a history...
one time the sister chased my oldest brother around the house with a knife and when he finally got tired of running she just picked him up and threw him through a glass door. Thats just scratching the surface:

That same brother was walking down the street, looked up, hit a telephone pole and broke his nose. It was crooked so he did it again to get it uncrooked. It got more crooked.

[EverEve]

LL_12 had the right idea when they said: ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like something I might do really.:p

[Legolas_lover12]

ROTFLMAO!!!!! gosh, through a glass door?? ouch ....

[Anamatar IV]

HA! you dont even know the half of it. If i told you some of the microwave, spoon, and lightbulb incidents youd be feeling the pain yourself. How about this. theyd pin eachother down and kneel on their arms so they couldnt move and just slap them. Over adn over again. Called it slap camp they did. Gave it to me too. it hurts.

[CloakedShadow]

That summary on the Tolkien Sarcasm Page made me want to cry...:eek:

Until next time...
The Cloaked Shadow

[Diamond Took]

what about Harry Potter fans who say:
Lotr is gone and dead. Harry potter rules!!!

its like
UGH!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :rolleyes:

[Anamatar IV]

:eek: thats just wrong. great works of art like tolkien books do not die. They are like the elves. They live until, well, stabbed. Harry potter is out. It takes her 3 years to write a book, sells 30 million copies in the 1st 2 days BOOM shes fit for retirement.

[Legolas_lover12]

and it takes her so long to write them because they are long and they are good.:p

[Anamatar IV]

okay fine they are good but they cant meet lotr even half way. But still...people are still buying lotr after 50 years. After 2 weeks nobody buys harry potter.

[Lord Aragorn]

My friend said - "Who cares about a bunch a gnomes and an old man?"

[HLGStrider]

Gasp!!! Faint!!! ouch that's harsh...

[In Flames]

Originally posted by Lord Aragorn
My friend said - "Who cares about a bunch a gnomes and an old man?"
And that person is still your friend.:confused:

[EverEve]

*sniff* I feel bad for the person who said that....they're so ignorant they're gonna get themselves injured oneday.....:) oh well...

[ApplCobbler]

Its come to the point where its not even useful to talk about books ive read with friends, as I'll have been the only one to have read it.

[Legolas_lover12]

i know what u mean. LOL. and i like harry potter and it is still selling. there are still ppl who haven't read them ...oh well. they are good though ...not as good as LOTR ...;):rolleyes:

[HLGStrider]

Well, at least we are not as lonely as my little sister, the Dickens-Austin fan... I think there are more people who have read the Hobbit than Sense and Sensibility... I know I haven't...

[Lantarion]

I'm not sure whether Will Smith himself is a Tolkien-fan or not, but in a movie of his (cannot remember the name now, dang it) he is talking about imaginative fiction, in a scornful tone, and says: "ANd Lord of the Rings, all those dwarves, so imaginative." :eek:

[In Flames]

And that comes from the man who starred in MIB and Independence Day.:rolleyes:

But as you said Lantarion, he may be a fan. That was just taken from a movie.

[HLGStrider]

Compromising his morals to be in the business... If he is a fan, that is. Who knows... who cares?

[CloakedShadow]

HP is nice and all, but Tolkien is Tolkien. It's a league of it's own, and everything I've read doesn't come close!

Until next time...
The Cloaked Shadow

[Anamatar IV]

i almost fainted today. This one takes the entire cake! How the hell could you say something this stupid when the evidence is right infront of you!?!



Whoops-almost forgot to post what i heard :o

Some guy said that there was only 1 book and the movie needed to be 3 because the book was too long. :rolleyes: He obviously hasnt read Stephen King if he thinks the fellowship of the Ring is 3 movies long.:rolleyes:

[EverEve]

OMG!!!!!! Lmao! Thats GREAT!!!!!

[Rangerdave]

Originally posted by HLGStrider
Well, at least we are not as lonely as my little sister, the Dickens-Austin fan... I think there are more people who have read the Hobbit than Sense and Sensibility... I know I haven't...

That reminds me.

I once took a course entitled "Survey of Modern Literature", we students quickly came to call it "the And class".

The required reading list included
Pride and Prejudice
Sense and Sensibility
War and Remembrance
Crime and Punishment
Love and Friendship
Jack and Alice
Frederic and Elfrida

I have since learned to avoid any work with a three word title that includes the word AND.
Good advice I must say


RD

[Legolas_lover12]

:DHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:D

[EverEve]

Lol...thats great...

I feel depresssed....that was off the subject...

[Legolas_lover12]

*LL12 gives Eve a great big bear hug to cheer her up*

:D

[EverEve]

*grin* lol, i feel better now...:-D

[falcolite]

heres one that blew my mind...

"Lord of the Rings so copied Harry Potter, J.R.Rowling writes HP and then Tolkien writes lotr. HP is made into a movie, and then lotr goes along and makes it into a movie."

[Rangerdave]

Originally posted by falcolite
heres one that blew my mind...

"Lord of the Rings so copied Harry Potter, J.R.Rowling writes HP and then Tolkien writes lotr. HP is made into a movie, and then lotr goes along and makes it into a movie."

Yeah!

And I heard that some dude, I forget his name, Homer Somebody has gone and rewritten Oh Brother Where Art Thou? and set it in ancient Greece or something. I think it's called the Oddity or something.

When will people come up with something original?

RD

[Anamatar IV]

will they start thinking that tolkien copied the letter initial thing next?!?:rolleyes: "J. R. R. Tolkien copied his name from J. K. Rowling.

[Legolas_lover12]

LOLOL:D that is about the stupidest thing i have ever heard!!! LOTR copied of HP!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!:D:D:D:D:D




(HP is a V. good book series though)

[EverEve]

lol...some people...

aight, my friend and i were talking, and LOTR came up and he was like 'That was a really good movie' and i was like ''I know, have you read the books?' and he was like 'No, but if you think about its kinda stupid, I mean its all about a stupid ring'....I thought that was rather sad

We're getting Highlight's From LOTR tommorow in Band...YAY!

[HLGStrider]

I plan to write under H.L.G. Strider... You think the Tolkien estate will zap me for the rights?

[EverEve]

hmmm...i dunno...probly not though...whatcha writing?

[HLGStrider]

Anything and everything... If you want a general idea of some of it, check out the Writers Guild. I posted three stories of varying length... plus a plot outline for a fourth.

[EverEve]

oooh fun! im not a big writing person...my stories all come out like ****...but thats just me :) im sure yours are wonderful :D

[Legolas_lover12]

they are pretty good. i think i've read two or three of them ...though i'm still trying to find the time to read that one "pretzel effect" one ....:o

[HLGStrider]

I'd say they were okay. The Pretzel Effect is a heck of a lot shorter than the "Snow White's Hunter" one I posted.

It happens to be my favorite. I wrote it really fast and it came out surprisingly well.

[EverEve]

OH WAIT!!!!! NOW I GET IT!!! Silly lil me was thinking that we were talking about Harry Potter still for some reason, and now i get it!!! We are talking about Elgee's stuff...*blush*alright, so im a lil slow, so what?!

[Eliot]

Who here thinks that Harry Turtledove and Robert Harris are good authors? I think they're awesome. Oops. Sorry, I'm getting off the subject:)

[EverEve]

errr....Id be inclined to say yes, cuz thats the type of person I am, but ive seriously got no clue who they are...Who, are they??

[Legolas_lover12]

i would be inclined to say who are they and what do they write and what is it about ....because i am just that kind of person(;)) .....i like to ask questions!:rolleyes:

[Eliot]

They are both fiction authors. Very interesting. Robert Harris writes mostly about Nazi Germany and Harry Turtledove writes about such stuff like the second US civil war and the american empire. It's pretty interesting.

[Aranaug]

Ignorant NonTolkien fans. Not sure whether to laugh, get really angry that they are SO unbelievably ignorant or just hit my head straight through this computer so I don't have to read about such people!!!

And if your mate still isn't convinced ask him a couple of things.
-How did King publish THE HOBBIT in the '30's? He was born in 1950.
-How did he come up with that epic and get it all on paper and in print at a young age? My copy has copy rights from 1954 and 1965. No four year old wrote LOTR.

And on a side note, who does he think did the SIL and then all the other ME works???


Oh and just point me in the direction of people who say Tolkien copied anything from the Harry Potter thing.
I MUST HURT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How ignorant can you be??? Among other things, LOTR has been around a much longer time than HP so how could they rip things off. Tolkien, very much unfortunately, is deceased. And the movie was filmed for over a year! And then they went and had to do Special effects. I think that took much longer than HP. Especially when you compare the acting, the special effects and the overall feel of the films. Because HP was in no way better than LOTR.
AND NEVER WILL BE, IN MOVIES OR IN THE BOOKS.

[starts ripping out hair then realizes that hurts too much so he starts punching a water bottle]

[Legolas_lover12]

ok first, i think u need to chill out big time ....

and second i like the HP books and movie. i would say i liked the HP movie maybe even a little bit better than LOTR. (ducks to avoid the tomatoes being thrown at her) and i like the HP books as much as i like the LOTR books. they are very good. just written a little differently ....(ducks again to avoid the much heavier objects ppl will now be throwing at her) ....:rolleyes:

[EverEve]

*sniffle* I suppose each person is entitled to their own opinion...*tear* I just refuse to believe that about the movies...at least when you compare the acting...

[Bombadillo]

hp is fine reading butr the story is so much easier, lotr rules!!!

[Lady_of_Gondor]

I thought this was supposed to be a thread about stupid things non-tolkien fans have said in the past. Ooops I must be wrong!

[EverEve]

Well, theres no need to get sarcastic! So the thread happens to have gone off topic, is there any harm done? :D Aight, Im jsut playing...Soo ...do you have any stupid quotes form non Tolkien fans, L_O_G?

[Legolas_lover12]

LOL> well if Beorn sees us getting off topic he'll come in here and yel at us .....then give us a moderate spamming warning ....believe me i know:rolleyes:

and my friend, well he's not really my "friend" but anyway, said "the LOTR movie is stupid. there's no action it in!!"

can you believe it?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!:eek::eek::eek:

[mr underhill]

the FOTR should be the best movie.. if you hate that then i wouldnt recomend seing the sequels.. ill se the TT anyway and heck it might be great but im not that excited... maybe more of gollum would be cool!

[mindythehobbit]

Some of those are really bad. I was watching the DVD with a friend of mine that's still in High School. When we got to Lorien she said, "Wait a minute, isn't that the guy that healed Frodo in Rivendell? And isn't that the girl that's hot for Strider?" I had to flip scenes to show her that they didn't even have the same hair color before she believed me.

I really liked the HP books, but I'm very anti-movie. First I don't think they did a very good job. Second, they should have waited for all the books to come out before they made the movies, there could have been something really importaint in the first or second book that doesn't really come out until the 6 or 7th book. eg: the way they got Norbert out of Hogwarts could prove to be pivital in a later book. Last, I think J.K Rowling has too much money and she needs to hurry up and finish book five.:mad:

[CloakedShadow]

Somewhat-off-the-subject:

Mindythehobbit: I agree with you. JK Rowling got married, so what if she doesn't even write the rest of the books? Hollywood wouldn't live that down too easily....


Back-on-the-subject:

Ah, poor poor ignorant little people...have they not heard the saying?

Better to be silent and thought a fool
Then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt...

:D They'll learn one of these days...silly little people...

[Legolas_lover12]

well according to someone i know the 5th book is already out if u get it through "connections". and she apparently has read the rough drafts for the 6th and 7th books. but i don't believe her for a minute. i've learned not to believe everything ppl say.
and about JK Rowling:
she does not make too much money and let her take her time with the book. the longer she takes to write them the better they are!!!

[Sam_Gamgee]

the book is about weed. that is the stupidest thing i've heard

[Wonko The Sane]

Originally posted by ReadWryt
Yeah, that and spray painting "Oberon is a fairy" on walls...


That is the funniest thing I've ever heard ReadWryt say...

:)

Stupidest thing a Non-LOTR fan has said:

The fat pool clerk: I hated the movie.

That's all she said...but I wanted to slap her.

[EverEve]

*sigh* people these days!

I like HP..and I do wish she would hurry it up...how long has it been since she wrote the last one?!?!

[Wonko The Sane]

I heard she fell in with a bad lot, started a dangerous coke habit, and that now she won't be able to write again ever!!

[Muffinly]

Yay! No more harry Potter!

[Wonko The Sane]

It's quite tragic really. She sold her daughter to the circus for drug money.

Have you been to the circus lately? She's the bearded girl.

[HLGStrider]

Oh yeah... I remember her... In the booth next to the Yak Woman?

[Legolas_lover12]

yah. and next to her is the girl who is gonna kill ya'll cuz ur dissin' harry potter and JK Rowling.:rolleyes: (me;))

[HLGStrider]

Somehow I am not surprised to see her in the circus... :rolleyes: ;)

Seriously I really couldn't care less... but I do enjoy thinking about all those weird people in booths... like the Yak woman...

[EverEve]

The Yak Woman?

question: are the beards of the Bearded Ladies natural? It'd be pretty rip if they were....:)

[LadyGaladriel]

JK Rowling got married ]
She is also Pregnant.

[Muffinly]

I'm starting to think all these things are true.

[Popqueen62]

me too, and i love the hp books (not as much as lotr though) but the thing that makes me mad is she lost ideas for Harry Potter and the order of the pheonix.

[Anárion]

Ok, Ive heard some stupid stuff too, such as:

"That was gay, Ive seen better movies by Disney" =/

Ive also heard:

"Im glad that old guy died, he was dumb"

"Which one? you mean Gandalf?"

"I dont know, which ever one went to hell"

:mad:

So as you can see, I live in a second rate town that knows nothing of good movies and books when they see them.

P.S. I am NOT refering to Minas Anor, Minas Anor is the best city in the world.

[Wonko The Sane]

Originally posted by Legolas_lover12
yah. and next to her is the girl who is gonna kill ya'll cuz ur dissin' harry potter and JK Rowling.:rolleyes: (me;))

I didn't know you were in the circus, LL12! Wow...are you the monkey child or the frog-boy?

[Legolas_lover12]

no. i just told u who i am. YOU r the frog boy.:rolleyes:

[Wonko The Sane]

Hush, Legsie Lover...or I will be forced to ravish our beautiful elf lad...and then where would you be?

[Legolas_lover12]

i think i would get over it. after all i still have trent and tyler.;):D

[Wonko The Sane]

Alright then...suit yourself.

[Anamatar IV]

ya know what is totally wrong? The people who think Bilbo is evil because of those 2 scenes where he shows desire for the ring.

[Wonko The Sane]

I know! One of my friends who hadn't read LOTR but HAD read the hobbit said:

"One thing I really hated about the movie was when they made Bilbo act evil! He's not evil!! He's a sweet little hobbit...they suck!"

I just shook my head and proceeded to explain the concept of RingLust to her.

[Legolas_lover12]

yah totally agree w/ u matar.

and trent and tyler are the hottest twins u have ever seen. legsie has nothing on them.

[EverEve]

I believe I have heard about these twins before...

Ring Lust is a powerful thing! Who can blame poor Bilbo for giving into its power after several decades with it?!

[Legolas_lover12]

you problably have B4. in the GOO thread probly. LOL. so hott .............gorgeous blue eyes ......................(better than frodo's);):D

[Eliot]

You changed your pic again? You're hilarious.
I kinda liked the pumpkin better, but that's all right:)

[Legolas_lover12]

LOL.yah i liked the msn dude w/ the pumpkin head on it better. LOL. and i kno i'm hilairious. LOL and i might use the pumpkin some other time. LOL. just for u:rolleyes:

[Lantarion]

Excuse me, could we stick to the topic of this thread?

[Wonko The Sane]

It's like when at work the boss was like, "Youre a LOTR fan? So then, do you speak Qwenya?" And I was like..."It's Quenya, Matt...Quenya...like the Kenya?...and yes...a little."
And he was like, "This is why you'll never get a date..." And I'm looking at this guy 6'4" with man boobs and easily the ugliest guy I've ever met...although he's wonderfully nice and would probably be fun to hang out with...and he paints tiny little models of scary space army men and he's telling me I'll never get a date? And I was just shocked.

[JanitorofAngmar]

Ha ha ha ha...LMAO

I have this image of "The comic book guy" from the Simpsons in my head telling you that!!! (Did he have an ice cream cone in one hand when he said it?)

Watch out he doesn't start painting little "Wonko" doll men/women!

JoA

[Wonko The Sane]

He is very much like Comic Book Guy except he's not FAT just a little round on the edges...he's really fairly thin except he has a tiny paunch and man boobs...
And yeah...I'm sure he'd make a little Wonko doll..and I'd be scared...because he's only mildly a LOTR fan...and he knows how much I love it...and he's nearly 40...and I'm 19...and he invited me to his place to watch LOTR...and I was like...maybe...32...that might be ok for a casual LOTR watching...but 40?? THAT'S JUST WRONG....I had to refuse...he's not my type anyway.

[Anárion]

Well....I suppose we could....but do we really want to?

[Wonko The Sane]

Originally posted by Anárion
Well....I suppose we could....but do we really want to?

What are you talking about?

[Aranaug]

Originally posted by Wonko The Sane
What are you talking about?

I think that they're talking about getting back on subject. But unfortunately I have nothing new today.

[JanitorofAngmar]

Wonko,

Glad to see you have some wisdom in your cranium (your magic pockets hold more than just trinkits, they hold wisdom as well)! Yes that is getting a bit, how would you put it...creepy?

I would guess that it took alot of courage for a guy with that kind of personality to "ask a pretty girl out" even though it sounds totally inappropriate (not to mention the fact that he is your boss). The fact that he even attempted a 19 year old at his age raises "red flags". If you were my daughter (or sister) this guy would be sweeping his teeth off the floor after I was done with him.:mad:

I mean if you were around 25, I could see it as a casual sort of thing. But 19 and 40? Yeah, right, what happens when he starts asking you to call him "Daddy"...ick.:eek:

Seriously keep an eye out for any miniature "Wonko dolls"!

Better yet whip a Balrog out of your magic pockets and sic it on him!

[Wonko The Sane]

I totally agree JoA.
There's another guy there...and he's a goon in the same way but he's only 28 so it'd be ok to hang out with him...

But this guy is creepy and scary...and since I turned him down my hours have been cut at the store...it's very aggravating.

[JanitorofAngmar]

Sucks being a woman doesn't it!
I always marvel how weird it must be to walk around at night afraid of every dark corner. Well, maybe not afraid but at least cautious. I was recently in a very large city and I was in a rather "rough" neighborhood where I was conspicuously "white" and for the first time in my life (I had walked in numerous "rough" neighborhoods in my life but never one where I couldn't "blend in") I actually experienced what a woman must feel when she is walking to her car at night after work, or to the store, or wherever. Geez! My aplogies and sympathies to the lady folk out there for a world such as this!

Despite my deep attraction/obsession with the opposite and fairer sex I'm glad I'm not one.

Besides I can just pull over on the highway...anywhere...Yippee!

Sorry, that strays awfully close to "rubbing it in". You could easily come back at me with: "Oh yeah! Well guess what I can make and you can't!"

[Wonko The Sane]

Oh big deal...it may SEEM like we have the upper hand there...but that can be a curse more than a blessing sometimes...
My best friend's roommate is having certain problems ridding herself of said curse and it's soo sad to watch...
It scares me.

[JanitorofAngmar]

Oooh, Sorry I hope I didn't hit to close to home there.

Yes the rashness of being young *whistful sigh*

Well Wonko, you seem "smarter than your average bear" so I'm sure you will learn from your friends experience. "It" is no real fun for women until they start to get towards 30 anyway (in general). Then it really becomes a worthwile hobby. God's cruel joke on young men I guess.

[Wonko The Sane]

Who says it's not fun for women until they get to 30?!?!
Weirdos... :-P
I don't think the young men have any reason to complain in my case.

[JanitorofAngmar]

Alfred Kinsey for one. Sher Hyte (sp?) for another. Masters and Johnson for a third. (You should see some of the other stuff they reported on...geeez!!!!)

They are all generalities though. It's like saying "young men tend not to have chest hair". I mean that's generally true but I was an awfully hairy young lad myself.

"Fun" could be from the simple intimacy of "it" as well as opposed to the more..um..physical fun part. Or vice versa for that matter.

Most of the afore mentioned studies were based on self-reporting from a large sample base though. So I suppose there's room for argument in self-reporting.

In your case I suppose I could amend my statement and simply say "Hey, it DOES get better as you move into your 30's" and I'll give you a gaurantee on that.

Further, I doubt in your case any young man WOULD complain...unless he swung the other way...

[Wonko The Sane]

I'm just saying that I know for a lot of young women my age the generality is true...I happen to be the exception...
So to say that those poor young men aren't really experiencing the full potential in my case is faulty...
Although I suppose any potential is good enough for most young men...*rolls eyes*

[JanitorofAngmar]

*chuckle*
Yes, I remember what it was like to be in those shoes! Yep you hit the nail on the head with that statement (no pun intended).

Be careful though eh? No matter how cute and British he is;)

And be good! (or bad - either way - just BE)

A bee! where?

RUNNNN!!!!!

[Wonko The Sane]

I'm always careful. :) Always...especially so with the cute British ones...animals they are!!!

[Legolas_lover12]

oh first not every young woman who walks around at night is afraid. and i'll have you kno just because we're women doesn't mean we need to be afraid all the time or that we can' tdefend ourselves. i happen to kno some women who could throw u across a room. one of them being my karate instructor and another being my friend, betsy.

and now that i've said that... JanitorOfAngmar, if u feel like you're mature enough to talk about sex then why don't u call it sex instead of calling sex it and putting it in quotation marks?

also, and i hate to sound like beorn (lol, jk Beorn), we kinda DO need to get back on topic.

[EverEve]

Errr...question: How did we get from 'stupidest things non-tolkien fans have said about lotr' to sex?!

[Lantarion]

The Forum works in mysterious ways..

[JanitorofAngmar]

LL12,

Well, I was trying to be sort of "delicate" as I do seem to have a penchant for p***ing people off on this board.:rolleyes:

So this one is just for you:

sex, sex, Sex, Sex, SEx, SEx, SEX, SEX,

SSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXX (insert Grandpa Simpson's voice here)!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

Hmmm - published paper(co) on the subject of sexual deviancy - yep that might make me mature enough to talk about sex I think:p

Now what was the topic again???

[Wonko The Sane]

You did? Boy do I have some questions for you...my ex-bf was fairly scary...what's your e-mail JoA...

But back to topic....

I told my friend Mike that I was on the TTF boards a lot and he said, "Wow...you really are a tool. Before I just thought you were kind of weird...but now I know you're a huge tool...not just a tool...a tool BOX....NO! You're Bob Villa's tool shed!!" That's when I kicked him...or would have if we weren't 2000 miles apart...*sigh*

[JanitorofAngmar]

Wonko,

Sure but I'll warn you the word deviancy is really a cultural bias (mostly from N. America). You should see what goes on (or went on) in other corners of the world and is/was considered "normal". There really is very little which can be considered universally "deviant" by all cultures (And I'm dead serious about that).

On the other hand perhaps your XBF was one of my references...

What kind of tool? Crescent wrench? Hammer? or torque wrench?

Hmmmmm.

What kind of "tool" would each of us be if we were in a tool box?

[Wonko The Sane]

I'm an antrhopology student so of course I am familiar with the many definitions of deviance and that there is no universal sexual tie between any cultures...
So purely from a N. American standpoint I'm looking for some insight into the cause of his...for lack of a better word...deviance.

Hehe...speaking of tools...I sent the guy a card for his birthday...it said:

In life there are hammers and there are nails. So on your birthday the question becomes:

Would you rather get hammered or nailed? Hehe...

What tool would I be? I'll have to think about it, what about you?

[JanitorofAngmar]

Anthropology...Cool! I always like Anthro but for some reason I didn't gravitate towards it as much. I actually switched majors to science based after a few years. I had philisophical problems with the disciplenes I was involved in. What specific "stuff" in Anthro are you interested in/pursueing/etc.?

Hammered of course!:D

Hmmm....

what tool? what tool?

Perhaps a vise? Firmly anchored and hang on tight to what I get.
Maybe a screwdriver just cause I'm kinda "twisted"?:D

It does require some thought though doesn't it?

[Wonko The Sane]

It does...and as to the question I cannot pick..perhaps both...the former and then the latter. :) Always good fun among friends...

As far as the Anthro goes I'm interested mainly in cultural anthro, although physical anthro and archaeology are pretty interesting too. :)
I just love learning about other people's cultures. I'm thinking of doing my project on the cultural divide between Britain and the US...and to do that I, of course, will have to interview many British boys. :) Hehe. Speaking of deviant...

[JanitorofAngmar]

*laughs*

I know a place you should visit in the summer! A romantic setting filled with British Army guys too! You can even get into the bars (where all the BA guys are) if your 19.;)

Yes. Cultural is interesting. It really gives you a broader tollerance of the myriad of behaviors in the world doesn't it. Unfortunatley it also gives you a bit of a short fuse for "narrow mindedness" in others (I found anyway).

You might like Sociology too maybe?

[Wonko The Sane]

Yes! I do find Sociology quite intriguing.

And if this place you speak of is Canada just show me where the British boys are! My friend and I are driving up to BC over Christmas Break. :)

[JanitorofAngmar]

Oh, no...sorry it's only during the summer.

Mail me if you want to know where. I don't want to advertise it to the world (too many people in such a beautiful place you know...ick).

Winter in BC...Grrrrreat skiing!!!! I used to live near Whitewater which was nice. Whistler is WAY too expenisive. Fernie is where it's at! Great snow last year in Fernie!!!!!

In Canada BC usually means "bring cash" but if your coming from the states the exchange should make us look like a Wal-Mart as far as prices go. You've likely been here before anyway.

[Wonko The Sane]

I've been to BC and Alberta before.

LOVED Alberta. Spent a week or two in Banff and that lodge the Olympics were at...can't remember the name...started with a K though. :)
I actually met the Olsen twins while I was there. Scary stuff.
But it was beautiful. We went to Lake Louise, and Moraine Lake, and it was soo beautiful!!! AAH! At Banff Castle I first saw some guys in kilts outside the entrance...and one was playing bagpipes...BEAUTIFUL! It was then that I first began to appreciate the beauty of a young, strapping lad in a kilt...and me only 10 years old. :)

Hehe...at my college we have a club of Bagpipe players that convene on the God Quad right outside student union every...Thursday I think it is. :) They wear kilts and everything. GORGEOUS!

[JanitorofAngmar]

Wonko,

Small world. I live in Alberta...so I know those places quite well. You speak of Kananaskis Country (Kananaskis Lodge) and Peter Lougheed Provincial Park. Beautiful!!!

Olsen Twins!!!:eek: :eek: I'm surprised we let them in...egads!!!!

Kilts, eh? I used to live in Edinborogh Scotland when I was young and (I kid you not) we had the "option" of wearing a kilt, shorts, or trousers as part of our school uniform. No one ever wore the kilt though while I was there. The "true" kilt is quite interesting in how you actually wear it. Quite a process to put on and it's freakin HUGE when you unfold it!
Gotta have the legs for it too though too.

Glad you liked Alberta. If you ever come to our fair province again email me and I'll tell everything to see, and everything to avoid. There is better places than Banff or Kananaskis here.

I'm not kidding either! Winter in Fernie!!! I'd bet my mop you'd love it!

JoA

[Wonko The Sane]

YAY! I LOVED Banff Castle...the way it sits on the hill over the river with the mountains behind it. :) It's gorgeous. If you say there's better though I believe it and look forward to ferretting such places out!
I'll let you know when I'm headed in that direction again.

And yeah, I saw the Olsen Twins.
I was ten and Full House used to be a favorite of mine...a show I never missed. Even have some of them on tape.
But when I saw them I was WAAY too shy to ask for their autographs...so I just smiled and gave a shy "hi" when I passed them in the garden at Kananaskis Lodge. I was sitting on a rock in the fountain reading and when I got up to go talk to my grandparents who were eating on the patio I saw them...and I nearly freaked out.
I used to tell people I didn't ask for their autograph because I didn't want to bother them but really I was a painfully shy kid.

Then I went and sat on a bench across the pond from where they played on my fountain and they were playing with this little boy while their mother talked to someone and they started to switch shirts, right there behind the rocks at the behest of the boys in order to confuse their mother. Quite the episode. Those girls are going to be quite the exhibitionists when they're of age.

[Beorn]

Guys...get it on topic! There's a neat little tool called Delete Thread/Posts...I can just remove your whole conversation in about a minute....

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What am I going to do with him? :D

[Legolas_lover12]

hey beorn i like ur new avatar. too bad u can't really click on it though.:D:rolleyes:

but anyway back ot the topic. we had to do a book report and chase got one of these tolkien books off the shelf. i forget it's name. he was saying something about a baker who sang gay songs on the 5th page or somethin. it isn't anything middle earth but something by tolkien. anyway.... in a few days, when he was only in the ist chapter still, he asked my teacher if he could get a new book. LOL. and she said no. LOL. she;s my fave teacher.:D

[olorin]

I was on the bus yesterday and I heard someone say "It's a good storyline but Tolkien can't write"
:confused:

[Wonko The Sane]

My youngest brother was doing a book report on The Fellowship of the Ring. He's only 12, so I don't want to make fun of him too much but he didn't understand all the genealogy and the names of the places and stuff.

He made quite a few blunders, including calling Rivendell "Rivendale"...his report was a bit like the LOTR sarcasm page where they give a fake summary of the books. :) He just got facts mixed up. Hehe.

[aDaHe]

i have read lotr all three about 6 times or what ever and when i did a book report on it at school my teacher failed me because she said i did not know any thing about it.

she later gave me the pass when i went to the HOD for english, who had read the book and gave me a few extra marks for accuracy and knowledge.
my teacher left teaching as a proff later that term and i even laughed when she told us she was leaving.
we didn't get along well...

[Anamatar IV]

Originally posted by Wonko The Sane
My youngest brother was doing a book report on The Fellowship of the Ring. He's only 12, so I don't want to make fun of him too much but he didn't understand all the genealogy and the names of the places and stuff.

He made quite a few blunders, including calling Rivendell "Rivendale"...his report was a bit like the LOTR sarcasm page where they give a fake summary of the books. :) He just got facts mixed up. Hehe.

ya know I have a 12 year old friend who just did a report on the fellowship of the ring! I laughed at it! He spelled Gandalf Dandalf, and said that Saruman created the rings, that the dwarves were evil, and that Frodo was Bilbo (he kept saying Bilbo instead of Frodo). I think he took half of that from the movie :rolleyes:

[EverEve]

Oh the poor little people! What would we do without them to give us a few good laughs? *pauses to think about what she just said, and shudders to think of all the answers that might come of it* Yall, just dont answer that :)

[Wonko The Sane]

*laughs*
No comments here!

But my brother has really straightened up since then! He's got his facts straight...hehe probably since wonko and I won't let him forget it! :)

He just had school pix taken though...and he looks soo cute! So grown up! I want to post a pic on the forum!

[Elu Thingol]

Yes I have a little brother, 12 years old, who is currently trying to read LOTR, however, the only problem is getting him to read it. The only time he seems to want to read is when I read with him. However, I don't have that much time at the moment and don't want to read half the book to him. Maybe he just isn't ready. Anyways I told him that he at least must go through the FOTR and TTT before he can see the next movie. I think it can mess some things up if you see the movie first. Too harsh? Any opinions?

[Legolas_lover12]

yah to harsh. if he doesn't want to read it don't force him. i always hated reading things my mom would force me to read. maily because they were all very weird books buy anyway. let him go see the movie if he wants. some ppl just aren't book worms:rolleyes:

[Wonko The Sane]

No...not too harsh. I refused to see FotR until I read the book...I almost missed it in theaters...but I was so glad I didn't see the movie first!
:) Hehe...I actually just made it by a day...I saw it the last day it was showing anywhere within 50 miles of my home! :)
So yeah...tell him to at least read the stories before he sees the movie.

[Elu Thingol]

Oh man! Conflicting advice. What do I do??:)

[HLGStrider]

When in doubt... flip a coin?

[Elu Thingol]

That would just leave me back where I started

[Wonko The Sane]

Maybe you should consider the fact that he misses a lot of the TRUTH of the book if he sees the movie first...
And that when he later reads the book it will be disappointing because it's not "like the movie" which is how it was in his mind from the start...

With FotR it's different...they didn't change THAT much...
But Arwen at Helm's Deep? That's just wrong! He'll need to read TT before he can see the movie...or it will ruin it!

[FREEDOM!]

I think Arwen is HOT!!!!!! (Well actually i think Liv Tyler is hot) but she plays Arwen!!!!

Whats wrong with a girl elf fighting?????

so whats if it's not in the book!!!!!!!

She's Hot !!!!!!!!!

[Wonko The Sane]

Nothing wrong with Arwen fighting...I'm just saying that I wouldn't want this kid to get the wrong idea about the book from a twisted movie interpretation...that's all.